[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Minutes from the February 1-2, 2013 Board Meeting

[Stephen LaPorte]

Hello everyone,

The minutes of the WMF Board Meeting on February 1-2, 2013 have been
ratified and published here:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2013-02-01

The meeting's agenda included:

* Housekeeping
** Amendment to the Affiliations Committee Charter
** Pledge of Personal Commitment
** Managing Duty of Loyalty
** Governance Committee report
* Presentation on 2012-13 Year-to-Date and Planning for 2013-14
* Legal presentation
* Term limits
* Feedback on 2012-13 year-to-Date and Planning for 2013-14
* Update on the search for a new Trustee candidate
* The Affiliations Committee and the Chapters Association
* Advisory Board
* Comments from Doron Weber
* Letter to the Chapters Association
* Executive session

-- 
Stephen LaPorte
Legal Counsel
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*For legal reasons, I may only serve as an attorney for the Wikimedia
Foundation. This means I may not give legal advice to or serve as a lawyer
for community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Philippe Beaudette]

Entirely possible. :-)

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Michael Snow  wrote:

> On 3/7/2013 8:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
>
>> Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish?  Argue the idea, not
>> the person.
>>
>> (And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where
>> that came from).
>>
> I thought it was meant ironically, hence the agreement. That, plus the
> liberal use of exclamation marks suggested it was over-the-top and not
> intended to be taken literally. I can understand how it might be confusing,
> though. The interpretation remains ambiguous at first, you have to get well
> into reading the message before it becomes more clear, and that can make it
> hard to overcome the emotional impact of those words at the beginning.
>
> --Michael Snow
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Michael Snow]

On 3/7/2013 8:19 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:

Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish?  Argue the idea, not
the person.

(And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where
that came from).
I thought it was meant ironically, hence the agreement. That, plus the 
liberal use of exclamation marks suggested it was over-the-top and not 
intended to be taken literally. I can understand how it might be 
confusing, though. The interpretation remains ambiguous at first, you 
have to get well into reading the message before it becomes more clear, 
and that can make it hard to overcome the emotional impact of those 
words at the beginning.


--Michael Snow


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Philippe Beaudette]

Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish?  Argue the idea, not
the person.

(And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where
that came from).

pb

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Erwin Mulialim
wrote:

> Dear Jan-Bart,
> Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this
> world! Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or
> charity that absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in
> terms of value! Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and
> is not intended for business, so it is proper you should not expect
> yourself to be paid according to the salary standardization of benchmark
> government regulatory policy. For jobs that have a social purpose of
> humanity like this, we should not be so demanding, but we first have to
> love the job ought to give all of the skills and talents that we have for
> this foundation, believe that sooner or later will certainly all of the
> goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through His wonderful ways.
>
> May GOD Bless You Always!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Claudius Erwin Mulialim
> 
> Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng
> (CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara,
> Indonesia.
>
> -
> > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800
> > From: lc...@wikimedia.org
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman 
> wrote:
> > > Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> > >
> > >>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there
> is no FACT like the one that you mention.
> > >>
> > >> "fact that the
> > >>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> > >>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college
> or
> > >>> a mortgage from 2007?"
> > >>
> > >> because
> > >> a)  there is no such policy
> > >
> > > So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December
> 2012?
> > >
> > > "[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are
> > > similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit
> > > owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans
> > > equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and
> > > there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an
> > > entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and
> > > that's understood by folks who make it through the process."
> > > --
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html
> > >
> > >> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
> > >> almost comical
> > >
> > > Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
> > >
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement
> >
> > Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced
> > later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about
> > their salaries.
> >
> > Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my
> > right to fly first class everywhere.  My champagne glass won't refill
> > itself, you know!
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> > > and
> > >
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653
> > > please, so we can see exactly what it says?
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Erwin Mulialim]

Dear Jan-Bart,
Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this world! 
Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or charity that 
absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in terms of value! 
Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and is not intended for 
business, so it is proper you should not expect yourself to be paid according 
to the salary standardization of benchmark government regulatory policy. For 
jobs that have a social purpose of humanity like this, we should not be so 
demanding, but we first have to love the job ought to give all of the skills 
and talents that we have for this foundation, believe that sooner or later will 
certainly all of the goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through 
His wonderful ways.

May GOD Bless You Always!



Best Regards,


Claudius Erwin Mulialim

Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng
(CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara, 
Indonesia.

-
 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800
> From: lc...@wikimedia.org
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
> 
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman  wrote:
> > Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> >
> >>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no 
> >>FACT like the one that you mention.
> >>
> >> "fact that the
> >>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> >>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
> >>> a mortgage from 2007?"
> >>
> >> because
> >> a)  there is no such policy
> >
> > So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December 2012?
> >
> > "[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are
> > similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit
> > owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans
> > equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and
> > there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an
> > entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and
> > that's understood by folks who make it through the process."
> > -- 
> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html
> >
> >> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
> >> almost comical
> >
> > Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
> > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement
> 
> Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced
> later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about
> their salaries.
> 
> Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my
> right to fly first class everywhere.  My champagne glass won't refill
> itself, you know!
> 
> Leslie
> 
> > and
> > http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653
> > please, so we can see exactly what it says?
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF February 2013 Metrics and Activities Meeting: Thursday, March 7, 19:00 UTC

[Victor Grigas]

Photos from the meeting today:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vgrigas#Wikimedia_Foundation_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting_March_7.2C_2013


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Praveena Maharaj wrote:

> REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Praveena Maharaj  >wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > The next WMF metrics and activities will take place on Thursday, March
> 7, 2013 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on
> irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube
> stream.
> >
> > The current structure of the meeting is:
> > * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also
> specialized reports and analytics* Review of financials* Welcoming recent
> hires* Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest
> priority initiatives* Update and Q&A with the Executive Director, if
> available
> > Please review
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for
> further information about how to participate.
> > We'll post IRC logs and the video recording publicly after the meeting.
> > Thank you, Praveena
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Executive Assistant to the VP of Engineering and Product Development
> > +1 (415) 839 6885 ext. 6689
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 9 -- 04 March 2013

[Wikipedia Signpost]

Op-ed: We must do more to turn readers into editing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/Op-ed

News and notes: Outing of editor causes firestorm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/News_and_notes

WikiProject report: WikiProject Television Stations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/WikiProject_report

Featured content: Slow week for featured content
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04/Featured_content


Single page view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single

PDF version
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-03-04


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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Please join the community review of 4 FDC funding requests!

[Katy Love]

Greetings, Wikimedia community,

It is my pleasure to share with you that the Funds Dissemination
Committee has received four proposals in Round 2 of funding from
entities seeking funds for their annual plans. An additional proposal
was withdrawn. These four proposals from Wikimedia Czech Republic,
France, Hong Kong, and Norway request a total of over $1.2 million
USD:

WM Czech Republic: $14,084.50
WM France: $747,259
WM Hong Kong: $211,916.67
WM Norway: $235,715

We need your help in reviewing the proposals in order to consider the
potential impact of movement funds. To this end, we have launched the
community review period to help the FDC strategically allocate
Wikimedia movements funds.  We invite you, members of the Wikimedia
community, to review the proposals and provide thoughts and ask
questions. [1] The community review period is open until March 31.

A bit more about the community review period: the FDC proposal
submission deadline (March 1) is followed by a 30-day open comment
period when community members are invited to provide input on and ask
questions about each proposal. During this period, fund-seeking
entities (that is, those that submitted proposals) are requested to
respond to questions about their proposals on the proposal discussion
pages. All community input and entity responses are submitted as part
of each proposal package to the FDC. While the community may comment
on proposals after the open comment period closes on March 31, the FDC
may not be able to take comments made after this period into
consideration. After this, on April 8, the FDC staff will share their
assessments of the proposals, which will take into account the
community input. On May 1, the FDC announces its recommendations to
the WMF Board, and on June 1, the Board will make decisions about
funding allocations.

To join the community review for Round 2 proposals, please visit the
FDC proposal page [1], which links to all current proposals and their
discussion pages. You can review the proposal by opening the proposal
form for each entity, and submit questions or comments on the proposal
discussion pages. While the proposals are unfortunately only available
in English, we hope that the longer period for review this round will
help address this challenge. We hope that this community review period
will bring an in-depth and robust review to each of the four
proposals.

The FDC seriously values the input and feedback of the Wikimedia
community. Therefore, they ask for your comments and questions on
these proposals. The community review process helps to ensure that
this is a transparent and collaborative process. We look forward to
hearing from you on the discussion pages of the four proposals!

Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. The FDC
support staff can be reached at fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org

Warm regards,

Katy Love and the FDC support team

[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Leslie Carr]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman  wrote:
> Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
>
>>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no 
>>FACT like the one that you mention.
>>
>> "fact that the
>>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
>>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
>>> a mortgage from 2007?"
>>
>> because
>> a)  there is no such policy
>
> So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December 2012?
>
> "[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are
> similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit
> owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans
> equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and
> there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an
> entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and
> that's understood by folks who make it through the process."
> -- http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html
>
>> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
>> almost comical
>
> Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement

Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced
later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about
their salaries.

Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my
right to fly first class everywhere.  My champagne glass won't refill
itself, you know!

Leslie

> and
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653
> please, so we can see exactly what it says?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF February 2013 Metrics and Activities Meeting: Thursday, March 7, 19:00 UTC

[Praveena Maharaj]

REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.


On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Praveena Maharaj wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The next WMF metrics and activities will take place on Thursday, March 7, 
> 2013 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on 
> irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream.
>
> The current structure of the meeting is:
> * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also 
> specialized reports and analytics* Review of financials* Welcoming recent 
> hires* Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest 
> priority initiatives* Update and Q&A with the Executive Director, if available
> Please review https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings 
> for further information about how to participate.
> We'll post IRC logs and the video recording publicly after the meeting.
> Thank you, Praveena
>
>
> --
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> Executive Assistant to the VP of Engineering and Product Development
> +1 (415) 839 6885 ext. 6689
> www.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] to publish an article in Wikimedia

[Matthew Bowker]

Hi, Shmuel!  

As Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia written by its readers, the 
subjects for our articles are generally chosen by the editing community rather 
than by request. There is a venue where you can request articles at 
, or if you wish to write your own, you 
can follow the Article Wizard at 

Please note that Wikipedia is not a business or web directory. For more 
information, see  and our notability 
requirements at , 
 or 
.

You should also be aware that the Wikipedia community strongly discourages 
articles written by individuals close to a subject because of the difficulty in 
writing objectively about your organization, yourself, your family, or your 
work, in line with Wikipedia's conflict of interest 
 and autobiography 
 rules.

If you have any additional questions, feel free to ask at our teahouse: 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Nathan]

In fact, not one single non-anonymous person has ever said anything
different than what Marc just posted (as far as I know). James Salsman
is alone in his crusade; the people he believes he is "fighting for"
evidently don't desire his help. My suspicion is that this all goes
back to his attempt to convince the Foundation to pay administrators,
and perhaps editors, for their efforts.

In June he argued on this list about his "survey", and accused
Foundation employees of lying to him and others about the research
policy. In October, he hinted that he had conducted an additional
survey that revealed a substantial proportion of Wikipedia
administrators are living in poverty; while he refused to reveal this
data or how he conducted his survey until some undefined legal issues
are resolved, he used it to protest the decision of the FDC to not
permit funding to individual editors.

Between that time and the end of the year, in addition to asking the
Foundation to advise the Secretary of Defense to invalidate patents,
James Salsman accused Foundation employees of lying to the public and
to the Board about fundraising and proposed a resolution of the Board
that would restore funding to various programs that, in some cases,
result in salaries to some editors. Again in February he raised the
issue of providing compensation to "impoverished long-term
contributors", Wikinews contributors and professional fact-checkers.

On his linked mission to pay editors and improve the pay of junior
Foundation staff, James is virtually alone. In the 8 or so months that
he has been posting to Wikimedia mailing lists, rarely if ever has
anyone expressed support for either effort. And yet he is not
deterred.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Sarah Stierch]

The funny thing about all of this is that it seems to be non-employees who are 
"very" concerned about these things and no employees are actually whistle 
blowing or commenting.

I think that says something about how truly non-problematic this is. And I'm 
sure if employees did have some problems, this mailing list and the 
participants would probably be the last place they'd take it.

Sarah

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On Mar 7, 2013, at 8:11 AM, Katie Chan  wrote:

> No one is force to, or have a right to work for the WMF. Like any other 
> organisation, for-profit or otherwise, an organisation determines what it can 
> affords and wants to pay for a position. Similarly, a potential employee gets 
> to decides whether the proposed compensation is acceptable to them based on 
> their experience, what the job would be, and their personal circumstance. So, 
> what's the problem?
> 
> KTC
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Katie Chan]

No one is force to, or have a right to work for the WMF. Like any other 
organisation, for-profit or otherwise, an organisation determines what 
it can affords and wants to pay for a position. Similarly, a potential 
employee gets to decides whether the proposed compensation is acceptable 
to them based on their experience, what the job would be, and their 
personal circumstance. So, what's the problem?


KTC

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Christophe Henner]

On 7 March 2013 17:02, Balázs Viczián  wrote:
> I really don't get you, you wish to facilitate something that will affect
> about 20 chapters directly in the future (those situated within the EU) and
> you don't think it would overlap the Milan event? And no real need to talk
> about it there?
>
> Balazs
>
>

Sorry, english is not my mother tongue, I might have not been clear :)

I'll try to say it differently.

To me the Brussels meeting is a technical meeting, meaning you need to
have participant that have, somewhat, some knowledge of EU policy
design, lobbying, etc. The goal of the meeting is to draft out how we
could work toward, at least, stay aware of the on-going discussion
that could impact our mission and at best influence it.

The participants of this meeting are not always board members of their
chapters, hence they wouldn't be present in Milan. This is why I say,
participant wise, the overlapping is not really obvious.

But, as I said, it is really good that the Brussels meeting happens
*before* Milan, that way chapter representatives will be able to talk
about it if they want to.

I topped that with the fact that a "technical" meeting about EU policy
needs a lot of time, more than lunch, to draft out how we could do it.
If you add a 2 days meeting before Milan, it means that some people
will have to take the whole week off instead of just 1 or 2 days.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I meant, and I hope that email is clearer :)

Best,

--
Christophe


> 2013/3/7 Christophe Henner 
>>
>> I agree with my dutch friend :)
>>
>> People going to the Wikimedia Conference are not especially overlapping
>> with this one. Plus taking one day or two off is quite easy. Add a side
>> meeting you need to take a week off.
>>
>> Lastly, having it 2 weeks before let's us formalize the report of the
>> meeting and let's have us good material to talk about it, if needs be, in
>> Milan.
>>
>> Christophe
>> Envoye depuis mon Blackberry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lodewijk 
>> Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:42:32
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
>>
>> Hi Balázs,
>>
>> There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
>> preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at
>> least
>> for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
>> (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's
>> a clear preference for weekends).
>>
>> All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in
>> Brussels.
>>
>> However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any
>> travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested
>> through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere?
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián 
>>
>> > Hi Jan,
>> >
>> > Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
>> > see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
>> > event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as
>> > the
>> > educational leaders are doing it).
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Balázs
>> >
>> > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
>> >
>> > > Hi Balázs,
>> > >
>> > > of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will
>> > > be
>> > no
>> > > volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to
>> > integrate
>> > > a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about
>> > > "things
>> > > really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very really
>> > > central
>> > > city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
>> > >
>> > > Best, Jan
>> > >
>> > > 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián 
>> > >
>> > > > Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
>> > > don't
>> > > > you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
>> > > >
>> > > > Balazs
>> > > >
>> > > > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hi all,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most
>> > > > > suitable
>> > > > > date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements!
>> > > > > During
>> > > > > the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
>> > > > > about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also
>> > > > > pass
>> > > > > around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
>> > > > > certain points of interest or comments in advance.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more
>> > > > > people
>> > > > > who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Best wishes,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Jan Engelmann
>> > > > > Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
>> > > > > -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Balázs Viczián]

I really don't get you, you wish to facilitate something that will affect
about 20 chapters directly in the future (those situated within the EU) and
you don't think it would overlap the Milan event? And no real need to talk
about it there?

Balazs

2013/3/7 Christophe Henner 

> I agree with my dutch friend :)
>
> People going to the Wikimedia Conference are not especially overlapping
> with this one. Plus taking one day or two off is quite easy. Add a side
> meeting you need to take a week off.
>
> Lastly, having it 2 weeks before let's us formalize the report of the
> meeting and let's have us good material to talk about it, if needs be, in
> Milan.
>
> Christophe
> Envoye depuis mon Blackberry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lodewijk 
> Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:42:32
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering
>
> Hi Balázs,
>
> There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
> preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least
> for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
> (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's
> a clear preference for weekends).
>
> All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in
> Brussels.
>
> However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any
> travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested
> through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián 
>
> > Hi Jan,
> >
> > Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
> > see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
> > event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as
> the
> > educational leaders are doing it).
> >
> > cheers,
> > Balázs
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
> >
> > > Hi Balázs,
> > >
> > > of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will
> be
> > no
> > > volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to
> > integrate
> > > a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about
> "things
> > > really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very really
> central
> > > city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
> > >
> > > Best, Jan
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián 
> > >
> > > > Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
> > > don't
> > > > you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
> > > >
> > > > Balazs
> > > >
> > > > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most
> suitable
> > > > > date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
> > > > > the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
> > > > > about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also
> pass
> > > > > around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
> > > > > certain points of interest or comments in advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more
> people
> > > > > who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jan
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jan Engelmann
> > > > > Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
> > > > > -
> > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> > > > > Obentrautstr. 72
> > > > > 10963 Berlin
> > > > >
> > > > > Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> > > > > www.wikimedia.de
> > > > >
> > > > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
> > allen
> > > > > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> > > > > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
> > > > >
> > > > >  Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes
> > > > > digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die
> > > > > Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de 
> > > > >
> > > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> e.
> > V.
> > > > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
> Berlin-Charlottenburg
> > > > > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> > > > > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Lodewijk]

great :)

Please note that 'we don't know yet, check back later' is also a helpful
addition to the page regarding travel budget :)

Best,
Lodewijk

2013/3/7 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov 

> Hi Lodewijk,
>
> I cannot answer the travel aid quesiton as there is no dedicated, central
> budget for this meeting. It's just volunteers and chapters deciding to join
> in, help or carry some of the cost.
>
> About signing up - I simply didn't think of it, as I know how to contact
> everyone who put their name on the Doodle, so I was just going to contact
> them directly. Anyway, now I have added a participants paragraph on the
> meta page where people can put add their name.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Christophe Henner]

I agree with my dutch friend :)

People going to the Wikimedia Conference are not especially overlapping with 
this one. Plus taking one day or two off is quite easy. Add a side meeting you 
need to take a week off.

Lastly, having it 2 weeks before let's us formalize the report of the meeting 
and let's have us good material to talk about it, if needs be, in Milan.

Christophe
Envoye depuis mon Blackberry

-Original Message-
From: Lodewijk 
Sender: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 16:42:32 
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Reply-To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

Hi Balázs,

There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least
for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
(Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's
a clear preference for weekends).

All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in
Brussels.

However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any
travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested
through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere?

Best,
Lodewijk

2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián 

> Hi Jan,
>
> Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
> see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
> event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the
> educational leaders are doing it).
>
> cheers,
> Balázs
>
> 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
>
> > Hi Balázs,
> >
> > of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be
> no
> > volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to
> integrate
> > a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about "things
> > really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very really central
> > city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
> >
> > Best, Jan
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián 
> >
> > > Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
> > don't
> > > you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
> > >
> > > Balazs
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable
> > > > date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
> > > > the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
> > > > about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass
> > > > around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
> > > > certain points of interest or comments in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people
> > > > who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
> > > >
> > > > http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jan Engelmann
> > > > Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
> > > > -
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> > > > Obentrautstr. 72
> > > > 10963 Berlin
> > > >
> > > > Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> > > > www.wikimedia.de
> > > >
> > > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
> allen
> > > > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> > > > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
> > > >
> > > >  Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes
> > > > digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die
> > > > Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de 
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> V.
> > > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> > > > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> > > > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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> > >
> > > Tel: +36 70 633 6372
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> > Obentrautstr. 72
> > 10963 Berlin
> >
> > Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> > www.wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Lodewijk]

Nobody stops you of course to have a 'meeting over lunchtime' but I think
the expectations by the organizers were set a little higher than that.

Lodewijk
(who has some experience with the 'success' of international Wikimedia
over-lunchtime meetings)

2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián 

> Such a meeting can be done over lunchtime any day or after the conference
> (which I guess would finish somewhere around lunch on Sunday so it can be
> on a weekend) or paralell to the schedule; there are plenty of options if
> you're interested in a solution.
>
> Cheers,
> Balázs
>
> 2013/3/7 Lodewijk 
>
> > Hi Balázs,
> >
> > There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
> > preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at
> least
> > for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
> > (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week
> (there's
> > a clear preference for weekends).
> >
> > All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in
> > Brussels.
> >
> > However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether
> any
> > travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested
> > through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere?
> >
> > Best,
> > Lodewijk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] to publish an article in Wikimedia

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Hi Shmuel,

This is a list for discussions about Wikipedia.

If you want to create your own article, please see
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov]

Hi Lodewijk,

I cannot answer the travel aid quesiton as there is no dedicated, central
budget for this meeting. It's just volunteers and chapters deciding to join
in, help or carry some of the cost.

About signing up - I simply didn't think of it, as I know how to contact
everyone who put their name on the Doodle, so I was just going to contact
them directly. Anyway, now I have added a participants paragraph on the
meta page where people can put add their name.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Balázs Viczián]

Such a meeting can be done over lunchtime any day or after the conference
(which I guess would finish somewhere around lunch on Sunday so it can be
on a weekend) or paralell to the schedule; there are plenty of options if
you're interested in a solution.

Cheers,
Balázs

2013/3/7 Lodewijk 

> Hi Balázs,
>
> There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
> preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least
> for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
> (Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's
> a clear preference for weekends).
>
> All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in
> Brussels.
>
> However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any
> travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested
> through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Lodewijk]

Hi Balázs,

There seems to be only limited overlap in the interested attendees. Also,
preconference would overlap with some other pre conferencees which at least
for me would be bad. Also, there's only one day of pre conference
(Thursday) which makes it too short and in the middle of the week (there's
a clear preference for weekends).

All in all, I support the decision to do it in a seperate weekend in
Brussels.

However, what is unclear to me (question to the organizers) is whether any
travel support etc would be available, or that it should be requested
through the local chapter. Also, can we already sign up somewhere?

Best,
Lodewijk

2013/3/7 Balázs Viczián 

> Hi Jan,
>
> Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
> see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
> event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the
> educational leaders are doing it).
>
> cheers,
> Balázs
>
> 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
>
> > Hi Balázs,
> >
> > of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be
> no
> > volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to
> integrate
> > a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about "things
> > really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very really central
> > city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
> >
> > Best, Jan
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián 
> >
> > > Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
> > don't
> > > you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
> > >
> > > Balazs
> > >
> > > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable
> > > > date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
> > > > the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
> > > > about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass
> > > > around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
> > > > certain points of interest or comments in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people
> > > > who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
> > > >
> > > > http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Jan
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jan Engelmann
> > > > Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
> > > > -
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> > > > Obentrautstr. 72
> > > > 10963 Berlin
> > > >
> > > > Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> > > > www.wikimedia.de
> > > >
> > > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
> allen
> > > > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> > > > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
> > > >
> > > >  Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes
> > > > digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die
> > > > Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de 
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.
> V.
> > > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> > > > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> > > > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
> > > >
> > > > ___
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> > > > Unsubscribe:
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Executive Vice President
> > > *Wikimédia Magyarország*
> > >
> > > Tel: +36 70 633 6372
> > > Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
> > > Web: www.wikimedia.hu  Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin<
> > > http://huwiki.blogspot.hu>
> > > Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia 
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jan Engelmann
> > Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
> > -
> > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> > Obentrautstr. 72
> > 10963 Berlin
> >
> > Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> > www.wikimedia.de
> >
> > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
> > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
> >
> >  Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales
> > Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition!
> > http://wikipedia.de 
> >
> > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter
> > der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
> > Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
> > _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 03/07/2013 10:28 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:

I can guess what are the advantages and disadvantages of being employed by
WMF, but it would be good not to speculate.


FWIW as a recent datapoint: the compensation I was offered was lower 
than what I could have expected in the for-profit sector in my area, but 
not unreasonably so.


When I accepted the offer, I did so knowing that (a) remuneration in the 
non-profit sector is generally lower, and (b) the working conditions 
were generally advantageous to my present situation.  I would expect the 
same holds true of any rational person offered a position or contract.


-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Balázs Viczián]

Hi Jan,

Typically this is what pre conference events are for and quite frankly I
see more possibilities in it if this would be implemented into the Milan
event both in the schedule and as a thematic pre conference meeting (as the
educational leaders are doing it).

cheers,
Balázs

2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 

> Hi Balázs,
>
> of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will be no
> volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to integrate
> a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about "things
> really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very really central
> city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
>
> Best, Jan
>
> 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián 
>
> > Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
> don't
> > you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
> >
> > Balazs
> >
> > 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most suitable
> > > date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
> > > the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
> > > about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also pass
> > > around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
> > > certain points of interest or comments in advance.
> > >
> > > Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more people
> > > who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
> > >
> > > http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Jan
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jan Engelmann
> > > Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
> > > -
> > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> > > Obentrautstr. 72
> > > 10963 Berlin
> > >
> > > Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> > > www.wikimedia.de
> > >
> > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
> > > Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> > > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
> > >
> > >  Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes
> > > digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die
> > > Online-Petition! http://wikipedia.de 
> > >
> > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> > > Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> > > unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
> > > Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
> > >
> > > ___
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> > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Balazs Viczian*
> > Executive Vice President
> > *Wikimédia Magyarország*
> >
> > Tel: +36 70 633 6372
> > Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
> > Web: www.wikimedia.hu  Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin<
> > http://huwiki.blogspot.hu>
> > Facebook: Magyar Wikipédia 
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jan Engelmann
> Leiter Politik & Gesellschaft
> -
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
> Obentrautstr. 72
> 10963 Berlin
>
> Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0
> www.wikimedia.de
>
> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
>
>  Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales
> Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition!
> http://wikipedia.de 
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
> der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Milos Rancic]

While a number of my friends are employed by WMF and I heard no one to
complain about salary or working conditions, it would be good to have
annual report of salaries and other benefits of WMF employees compared to
the siruation in the other similar and some not so similar organizations.

I can guess what are the advantages and disadvantages of being employed by
WMF, but it would be good not to speculate.
 On Mar 7, 2013 12:59 PM, "Jan-Bart de Vreede" 
wrote:

> Hi james, (renamed thread to not distract from NDA discussion)
>
> Your concerns have been noted, several times.
>
> But I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is
> no FACT like the one that you mention.
>
> "fact that the
> > Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> > against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
> > a mortgage from 2007?"
>
> because
> a)  there is no such policy. There are several areas where WMF pays market
> salary or more. Please don't create a myth. I have talked to our recruiters
> and they confirm this. Stating it as fact does not help your case or your
> credibility. In my experience WMF compensation and other benefits is well
> thought about and choices have been made (you might not agree with their
> outcome but they are being made, they don't "happen to us")
> b) you could argue that any salary level discriminates against people who
> need more. Just because I chose to have three kids (who will hopefully end
> up going to college if they want to do so) and choose to live where I want
> to live does not mean someone who offers me a salary which is unable to
> support my choices is discriminating against me… I live by the choices I
> make…
>
> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost
> comical in the WMF sense… as I find the idea of any substantial discussion
> amongst WMF employees being "restrained" by a document unrealistic. I am
> grateful that we have enough critical employees who are willing to voice
> their opinion on pretty much everything.
>
> While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I think that its time to stop
> spreading a myth. If you do insist on tackling the issue, please base
> yourself on facts and not small sets of data an generalisations. I don't
> have all the fact either, but I know enough to know that your generalising
> statements are incorrect, so please stop making them.
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:51 AM, James Salsman  wrote:
>
> > I'd like to know more about the non-disparagement clause which
> > multiple people have stated that the Foundation's NDA includes. In
> > particular, does it forbid employees from discussing the fact that the
> > Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> > against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
> > a mortgage from 2007? Does it forbid employees from discussing the
> > fact that the only evidence ever produced by Foundation employees in
> > support of that policy is a non-peer reviewed popular press book which
> > is not only contradicted by all of the recent secondary sources on the
> > subject, but the interpretation of which is contradicted by the author
> > of the book himself?
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Longest living hoax?

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Andy Mabbett, 05/03/2013 21:08:

On 5 March 2013 17:21, Nathan  wrote:

I can't see the deleted article, but I bet it was basically orphaned


What were its page view stats? (I'm mobile. So can't easily check)


I only checked a random month, but something like 150-200 per month it 
seems.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[[[w:en:User:Madman]]]

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:46 AM, James Salsman  wrote:
> Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
>> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
>> almost comical
>
> Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement
> and
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653
> please, so we can see exactly what it says?

At least in the U.S., per the National Labor Relations Act, employees
are always allowed to discuss wages without fear of reprisal from
their employers. So even if such a clause were to exist prohibiting
such discussion, it would have no legal effect.

-Madman/ea

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[James Salsman]

Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:

>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no 
>FACT like the one that you mention.
>
> "fact that the
>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
>> a mortgage from 2007?"
>
> because
> a)  there is no such policy

So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December 2012?

"[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are
similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit
owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans
equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and
there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an
entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and
that's understood by folks who make it through the process."
-- http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html

> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
> almost comical

Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement
and
http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653
please, so we can see exactly what it says?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Shabab Mustafa of WMBD joins the WCA Council

[Markus Glaser]

Shabab Mustafa and WMBD, welcome on board!

Am 07.03.2013 13:44, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive:

Congrtz Shabab Mustafa..


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Fae  wrote:


Dear Wikimedians,

I have the pleasure of announcing that Shabab Mustafa has joined the
Wikimedia Chapters Association Council. This appointment makes a total
of 23 members.[1]

Shabab is a founding member of the Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter and
currently serves on the Executive.[2] He is a veteran open source
software advocate.

Links
1.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership
2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh

Thanks,
Fae
--
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Markus Glaser
WCA Council Member (WMDE)
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Shabab Mustafa of WMBD joins the WCA Council

[Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive]

Congrtz Shabab Mustafa..


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Fae  wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> I have the pleasure of announcing that Shabab Mustafa has joined the
> Wikimedia Chapters Association Council. This appointment makes a total
> of 23 members.[1]
>
> Shabab is a founding member of the Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter and
> currently serves on the Executive.[2] He is a veteran open source
> software advocate.
>
> Links
> 1.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership
> 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
> --
> Ashley Van Haeften (Fae) fae...@gmail.com
> Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA
> Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov]

Salut la liste!

After booking the meeting room we have set up a page on meta intended to
inform everyone about the event. I tried to gather all the information I
deemed important, but please keep in mind that especially the meeting
schedule is prone to changes.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_Policy/Big_Fat_Brussels_Meeting

As with every wiki: feel free to share/change/complain etc. :)

About the hostels. If several people decide to stay together I'd be more
than happy to assist with booking a group room on location here. Just let
me know. I will also try to send out some extra information to the
participants as we get closer to the event, so you guys can have everything
at hand.

Can't wait to meet!

Dimi

P.S. I know the EU Policy portal on Meta is not well structured, but I
decided to wait until after the meeting before I do any major improvements,
since plans may change.
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[Wikimedia-l] Info: Shabab Mustafa of WMBD joins the WCA Council

[Fae]

Dear Wikimedians,

I have the pleasure of announcing that Shabab Mustafa has joined the
Wikimedia Chapters Association Council. This appointment makes a total
of 23 members.[1]

Shabab is a founding member of the Wikimedia Bangladesh Chapter and
currently serves on the Executive.[2] He is a veteran open source
software advocate.

Links
1. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Membership
2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Bangladesh

Thanks,
Fae
-- 
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Chapters Association Council Chair http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WCA
Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

[Thomas Dalton]

On 7 March 2013 08:11, Keegan Peterzell  wrote:
> My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years.  I found the copy.
>
> James Salsman:
>
> There are no terms about "disparaging information" or anything like that.
>  Save it for another thread, please.

The NDA I signed while helping out with WMF fundraising stuff while I
was visiting the office (which I think was around April 2010) did have
non-disparagement stuff in it. I remember because I had a discussion
with Mike Godwin (who was General Counsel at the time) about it and
got him to narrow the scope of the clause before I would sign it (the
version I signed said I couldn't use anything I learned while doing
the fundraising work to disparage the WMF, rather than that I couldn't
disparage them at all).

If that bit had been removed from the standard NDA by 7 November 2011,
then that's a very good thing IMHO.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Jan-Bart de Vreede]

Hi james, (renamed thread to not distract from NDA discussion)

Your concerns have been noted, several times.

But I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there is no 
FACT like the one that you mention.

"fact that the
> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
> a mortgage from 2007?"

because
a)  there is no such policy. There are several areas where WMF pays market 
salary or more. Please don't create a myth. I have talked to our recruiters and 
they confirm this. Stating it as fact does not help your case or your 
credibility. In my experience WMF compensation and other benefits is well 
thought about and choices have been made (you might not agree with their 
outcome but they are being made, they don't "happen to us")
b) you could argue that any salary level discriminates against people who need 
more. Just because I chose to have three kids (who will hopefully end up going 
to college if they want to do so) and choose to live where I want to live does 
not mean someone who offers me a salary which is unable to support my choices 
is discriminating against me… I live by the choices I make…

Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary almost 
comical in the WMF sense… as I find the idea of any substantial discussion 
amongst WMF employees being "restrained" by a document unrealistic. I am 
grateful that we have enough critical employees who are willing to voice their 
opinion on pretty much everything.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I think that its time to stop spreading a 
myth. If you do insist on tackling the issue, please base yourself on facts and 
not small sets of data an generalisations. I don't have all the fact either, 
but I know enough to know that your generalising statements are incorrect, so 
please stop making them.

Jan-Bart


On Mar 7, 2013, at 12:51 AM, James Salsman  wrote:

> I'd like to know more about the non-disparagement clause which
> multiple people have stated that the Foundation's NDA includes. In
> particular, does it forbid employees from discussing the fact that the
> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college or
> a mortgage from 2007? Does it forbid employees from discussing the
> fact that the only evidence ever produced by Foundation employees in
> support of that policy is a non-peer reviewed popular press book which
> is not only contradicted by all of the recent secondary sources on the
> subject, but the interpretation of which is contradicted by the author
> of the book himself?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

[Deryck Chan]

On Mar 7, 2013 8:11 AM, "Keegan Peterzell"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
> > On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the
> >> "disclosure period", then? Is it indefinite?
> >>
> >
> > "Disclosure period"? If you mean how long the party is bound by the
> > agreement, then it'll depends on the exact agreement. For things like
> > personally identifiable information, it will be forever which is kinda
the
> > point of having the NDA in the first place.
> >
> > KTC
>
>
> My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years.  I found the copy.

Same for mine, except for personally identifying information, which is
forever.

>
> James Salsman:
>
> There are no terms about "disparaging information" or anything like that.
>  Save it for another thread, please.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[Lodewijk]

Hi Dimi,

the people at Brel are quite flexible, so I guess you could book the hostel
beds for those that want to stay there (in one/a few rooms) if enough in
advance. Probably you could arrange that people pay themselves. I stayed
there a few times now, and they are decent but not awesome (it's a hostel).
In the region there are not many cheap places (yay european civil
servants!). Their meeting facilities seemed at the time indeed the easiest
too - but perhaps you find something better.

Lodewijk

2013/3/6 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov 

> Hey Christophe,
>
> Since I am on location I am co-organising the meeting. We can't really book
> the acoomodation for everyone, but I will make sure to include this tip in
> meeting info page on meta I am preparing. Hopefully by the end of the week
> I will be able to confirm everything (incl. meeting room) and let all the
> interested participants know more about the details.
>
> This said, if anyone needs any Brussels-specific help or informaiton just
> let me know. I am happy to assist.
>
> Dimi
>
> 2013/3/6 Christophe Henner 
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > I don't know who's organizing, but for the last meeting (in 2009) we
> > had it in this hostel http://www.lesaubergesdejeunesse.be/ it was
> > really really nice. Though it was almost fully booked and we all slept
> > in different hostel/hotels.
> >
> > Just to help the people organizing with a good tip :)
> >
> > Best,
> > --
> > Christophe
> >
> >
> > On 6 March 2013 15:10, Nicole Ebber  wrote:
> > > And please allow me to add that there are "only" chapter
> > > representatives in Milan, but this project is also open to non-chapter
> > > community members. On top of that, you don't know whether the
> > > representatives a chapter sends are the ones who are interested
> > > in/working on those policy issues.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > > On 6 March 2013 14:48, Jan Engelmann 
> wrote:
> > >> Hi Balázs,
> > >>
> > >> of course I am aware of the chapter conference. But first, there will
> > be no
> > >> volunteers. Second, there won't be enough time. Third, we want to
> > integrate
> > >> a short input from a Brussels-based NGO to learn something about
> "things
> > >> really work". And apart from that, we searched for a very really
> central
> > >> city in Europe, which is in fact - Brussels.
> > >>
> > >> Best, Jan
> > >>
> > >> 2013/3/6 Balázs Viczián 
> > >>
> > >>> Errr...the chapters conference in Milan will be two weeks later, why
> > don't
> > >>> you integrate this into the schedule of that instead?
> > >>>
> > >>> Balazs
> > >>>
> > >>> 2013/3/6 Jan Engelmann 
> > >>>
> > >>> > Hi all,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > a clear majority voted for the 6th/7th of april as the most
> suitable
> > >>> > date for the meeting. We are happy to make the arrangements! During
> > >>> > the next days, we will provide you with all necessary information
> > >>> > about the location in Brussels and the scheduling. We will also
> pass
> > >>> > around a draft agenda on Meta to make sure that everybody can add
> > >>> > certain points of interest or comments in advance.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Please spread the Doodle-link just to make sure that even more
> people
> > >>> > who are interested in the EU policy stuff will follow:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > http://doodle.com/ntiz6gup7z49e7p5
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Best wishes,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Jan
> > >>> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vote for the most exciting research work about Wikipedia

[Guillaume Goursat]

Hello,
thank you Carol Ann, the five finalist works are very interesting.

I correct the link to choose the best paper :
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers

Guillaume

2013/3/6 Carol Ann 

> Hi all,
>
> Wikimédia France launched an international research award aiming to reward
> the most influential research work on Wikimedia projects and free
> knowledge. After the initial submission of research papers by the community
> of researchers who study Wikimedia projects, a jury
> have selected five
> finalists among a thirty
> proposals<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/papers_submission
> >.
> You can find summaries and full texts below :
>
> ** **Studying cooperation and conflict between authors with history flow
> visualizations*<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Studying_Cooperation_and_Conflict_between_Authors_with_history_flow_Visualisations
> >
>  <
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Studying_Cooperation_and_Conflict_between_Authors_with_history_flow_Visualisations
> >by
> Fernanda B. Viégas, Martin Wattenberg and Kushal Dave, published in 2004.
>
> ** **DBpedia: A Nucleus for a Web of Open
> Data*<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#DBpedia:_A_Nucleus_for_a_Web_of_Open_Data
> >
> by
> Sören Auer, Christian Bizer, Georgi Kobilarov, Jens Lehmann, Richard
> Cyganiak and Zachary Ives, published in 2007.
>
> ** **A Content-Driven Reputation System for the
> Wikipedia*<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#A_Content-Driven_Reputation_System_for_the_Wikipedia
> >
> by
> Thomas Adler and Luca de Alfaro, published in 2007.
>
> ** **Creating, destroying, and restoring value in
> Wikipedia*<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Creating.2C_destroying.2C_and_restoring_in_Wikipedia
> >
> by
> Reid Priedhorsky, Jilin Chen, Shyong K. Lam, Katherine Panciera, Loren
> Terveen and John Riedl, published in 2007.
>
> ** **Can history be open source? Wikipedia and the future of the
> past*<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papers#Can_history_be_open_source.3F_Wikipedia_and_the_future_of_the_past
> >by
> Roy Rosenzweig, published in 2006.
>
> It's now up to you to choose the most influential. For that, please visit
> this page :
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikimedia_France_Research_Award/nominated_papersand
> vote.
> *Voting will close on Monday, March 11*. The announcement of the winner is
> scheduled for the end of March.
>
> If you have any question, please use the project talk page, thanks !
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

[Dan Rosenthal]

I can't find a copy of mine (probably in storage somewhere) but I would
assume mine was identical to Keegan's since we came in at the same time and
did the same job.

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan  wrote:
>
> > On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the
> >> "disclosure period", then? Is it indefinite?
> >>
> >
> > "Disclosure period"? If you mean how long the party is bound by the
> > agreement, then it'll depends on the exact agreement. For things like
> > personally identifiable information, it will be forever which is kinda
> the
> > point of having the NDA in the first place.
> >
> > KTC
>
>
> My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years.  I found the copy.
>
> James Salsman:
>
> There are no terms about "disparaging information" or anything like that.
>  Save it for another thread, please.
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan  wrote:

> On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote:
>
>>
>> Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the
>> "disclosure period", then? Is it indefinite?
>>
>
> "Disclosure period"? If you mean how long the party is bound by the
> agreement, then it'll depends on the exact agreement. For things like
> personally identifiable information, it will be forever which is kinda the
> point of having the NDA in the first place.
>
> KTC


My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years.  I found the copy.

James Salsman:

There are no terms about "disparaging information" or anything like that.
 Save it for another thread, please.

-- 
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