* Sydney Poore wrote:
It has become pretty obvious that funding the interests/values of existing
community members through regular channels is not creating content free of
systemic bias in general nor closing the human gender gap. (I say this as
someone who has read all types of WMF funding
When I first heard about the idea - I was timid and concerned. However,
after reading the responses - I am not sure that everyone is looking at
this the right way. My concerns have been addressed, largely by the
commitment to accept time-sensitive requests and the description of the
idea.
It has
Values. It is a matter of values.
If you believe, as I do, that lack of diversity of Wikimedia projects is
seriously compromising the content of the projects then designing a
campaign that addresses one or more aspects of this concern is a reasonable
top priority even if it displaces other
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:
Where is anyone whining about this?
Nobody here is.
The point being made is about why other grants are not being accepted.
So, to summarise:
Please, let's stop complaining on the basis that this excludes
Hoi,
The only point for this experiment is that there is not enough bandwidth to
cope with all the requests for funding as it is. The idea is that by
concentrating on one area it is possible to do more. The argument against
is that it is highly demotivating for everyone that finds its request for
Indeed, although as I understand it he's going to be independent of the
actual Research Data team.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Erik Moeller, 07/01/2015 20:36:
It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining the
Foundation’s
Wikibooks.
2015-01-06 11:02 GMT-07:00 Castelo Branco michelcastelobra...@gmail.com:
+1 Ting Chen
Original research in a wiki way = Wikiversity
Original report (for recent events) and interviews = Wikinews
Regards,
Michel Castelo Branco
2015-01-05 12:07 GMT-02:00 Ting Chen
Given
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-January/076324.html,
some questions.
Erik Moeller, 06/11/2014 07:57:
Format: Effective immediately, we are shifting to a quarterly
reporting format. This will impact our reporting, and the October
through December
Erik Moeller, 07/01/2015 20:36:
It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining the
Foundation’s Product Strategy department as Senior Analyst. I would
like to thank Katherine Maher for supporting and helping to prepare this
move from the Communications department.
Thanks. If I
Hi everybody,
and apologies for cross-posting.
I'd like to announce that the next office hour for VisualEditor is in
February, Thursday 19th at 1900 UTC [0].
James Forrester will be available to answer any questions about recent
improvements and to provide details about ongoing and planned work.
Hoi,
Given that a frequent complaint is the male chauvinist piggery that is
alive and well and meets not much sanction, this behaviour it being given
as one of the main reasons why so many people leave. I do suggest that the
hand above the head holding attitude of culprits is why we do so poorly.
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:53:47 +0530
Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote:
On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
Need I say anything else?
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It should not be easier to
dominate a player-killing MUD than to edit an article on Wikipedia.
Thank you for this thoughtful response. In the United States, at
least, girls routinely test higher than boys on verbal skills and have
recently surpassed young men in attaining higher education in nearly
all fields. There is a lot of dead time in the lives of many women.
They are all over
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:25:23 +0100
Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
I partially disagree with this vision.
Without the North American and European men there would not be any
opportunity to say: we would share the sum of the human knowledge.
Probably Wikimedia would not exist.
True,
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:29:57 +0100
Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
As this thread demonstrates, what discussions about the massive
gender imbalance in Wikimedia editorship need is more men discussing
why it
might or might not be important.
/sarcasm
Radical feminist notions that men
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:09 PM, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:29:57 +0100
Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
As this thread demonstrates, what discussions about the massive
gender imbalance in Wikimedia editorship need is more men discussing why
it
I have one simple question: if the Grants program was to focus on some
other key area rather than the gender gap, would we be having this
discussion about how horrible it is to waste time this way? Would we see
throwing up of hands in this way if the focus was, say, requests from the
Global
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote:
For those unfamiliar with American political history in its brief
existence, this is entirely expected. The power over who has the right to
hire and fire whom has been the center of our politics since near
Yes. Finally, a voice of reason.
On 8 January 2015 at 08:07, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear fellow Wikipedia devotees,
While I'm new to this list, I've been an avid fan and proponent of
Wikipedia and all the great service it gives people since it launched.
People can learn not just all
That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so
long as it's relevant and factual.
That's the point; it would not matter if women contributed so long as
it's relevant and factual. Half the humans that could contribute are
not. Actually many more than half, as there are
Yes. As stated in my original messages, you can (and should) use the
report link at the bottom of the subscription e-mail.
Austin
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive
nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd wrote:
+1 Karthik. Better to report the group.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Karthik
Dear fellow Wikipedia devotees,
While I'm new to this list, I've been an avid fan and proponent of Wikipedia
and all the great service it gives people since it launched. People can learn
not just all the basics of nearly any topic imaginable, but for a large number,
readers can with diligence
On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
Need I say anything else?
On 08-Jan-2015 2:45 pm, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so long
as it's relevant and factual.
That's the point; it would not matter if women
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
As to the specific personnel-related requests raised in your petitions,
our response must be limited. Consistent with the terms we laid out when
we began We the People,
we will not address agency personnel matters
I think that the realistic point of view should be another.
There is a potential number of people who can be contributors (contributors
and not readers) but this potential number must be *realistic*.
Anyway these persons should have something to contribute to wikimedia
projects an basically:
a)
Hi Matt,
as thorough as your characterization of the issue at hand is, as
misguided it is as well. The main point of the gender debate isn't the
physical differences between men and women and some purported
difference in authorship flowing from that. That would rightfully be
considered absurd and
As this thread demonstrates, what discussions about the massive
gender imbalance in Wikimedia editorship need is more men discussing why it
might or might not be important.
/sarcasm
--
wittylama.com
Peace, love metadata
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I partially disagree with this vision.
Without the North American and European men there would not be any
opportunity to say: we would share the sum of the human knowledge.
Probably Wikimedia would not exist.
It is correct to say that Wikimedia must offer to *all people* any
opportunity without
Is there any barrier for women to participate?
The discussion is open.
It would be worth if someone attacks a woman for her opinion.
There is more a big barrier in the participation to this thread connected
with a strong level of English to be required to read and to answer to this
thread.
I
I agree.
Women vs Men has never really stood out as a point of debate before and
ideally shouldn't.
On 08-Jan-2015 4:11 pm, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any barrier for women to participate?
The discussion is open.
It would be worth if someone attacks a woman for her
Hi there,
That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so long
as it's relevant and factual.
Who is to decide what is relevant and factual (or indeed, the other
editorial judgements we make in writing aricles)? If the only people doing
that are white North American and
On 8 January 2015 at 07:07, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote:
If you ask any RN the names of the greatest contributors to the nursing
profession, you'll get a stream of women's names. To suggest that nursing
needs more men or else it won't be able to achieve its greatest potential
would be a
You certainly put a lot of time and effort into being wrong. Any first year
undergraduate writing course will tell you that to make an argument you
need to address the counter-arguments, which you have failed even to
mention. Diversity of contributors isn't a social justice goal, or even a
I dont think the issue is the idea of encouraging projects that increase the
participation of women, but rather the message that everything else is getting
shoved aside.
I dont see this as sexism and playing that card is counter-productive.
What I suggest is that instead of saying that for
Romaine Wiki, 08/01/2015 18:12:
Universiteit Maastricht (UM) reikt een eredoctoraat uit aan Frans
Timmermans en de oprichter van Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales.
Doctorate in what discipline?
Nemo
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It is an honorary doctorate, not quite the same. As I understand it, it is
not connected to a discipline. See
http://www.maastrichtuniversity.nl/web/Main1/SiteWide/SiteWide11/MaastrichtUniversityAwardsHonoraryDoctoratesToFransTimmermansAndWikipediaFounderJimmyWales.htm
for a bit more details - he
Matt,
I think people politely declined to criticize your proposal in the
knowledge that it was absolutely sure to fail, meaning vocal opposition was
not required. But I can understand your frustration at the lack of
response, so I'll briefly provide you with mine. The WikiTribute idea
firstly
Hi Peter,
Much of my editing has been without logging into Wikipedia. Typically I don't
create new pages but I have a couple times. For example, I started a page for
a college that closed in 1981 after finding to my surprise that no one had done
so despite it being a beloved place for its
Did someone suggest that men should reduce editing or participation? I missed
that.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of FRED BAUDER
Sent: 08 January 2015 02:10 PM
To: Wikimedia
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com
wrote:
I dont think the issue is the idea of encouraging projects that increase
the participation of women, but rather the message that everything else is
getting shoved aside.
I don't see how you can come to this
How is it possible to give a realistic answer to that question?
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Risker
Sent: 08 January 2015 02:42 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re:
+1 to Keilana. The fact that people still believe that valuing women
somehow devalues men never fails to amaze me. It's not a zero-sum game.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hearing people whine “what about the men” because, God forbid, men might
not get
Where is anyone whining about this?
Nobody here is.
The point being made is about why other grants are not being accepted.
On 08-Jan-2015 10:06 pm, Keilana keilanaw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hearing people whine “what about the men” because, God forbid, men might
not get *every single* grant this
I am optimistic that some great proposals might surface.
Fred
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:30:08 +0200
Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
If you take it entirely at face value, I find it quite inoffensive.
As I have no experience with reviewing grant proposals, I can't
comment on
Hello all,
On Friday 16 January 2015 Wikipedia will receive in the person of Jimmy
Wales a honorary doctorate in Maastricht, the Netherlands.
He will receive this during the Dies Natalis of Maastricht University. The
ceremony starts at 15:00 in the St.Janskerk (Minderbroedersberg). Attendees
Sorry to interrupted, just a short question.
I'm looking for statistics of how many project ideas/requests were
submitted in the past. How many volunteers and WMF-employees were and are
involved in evaluating all these submissions and so on.
Can anybody provide me with a link or any other kind
Hearing people whine “what about the men” because, God forbid, men might
not get *every single* grant this time (as they did in the pilot round of
IEGs), is incredibly tiresome.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Peter Southwood
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
If you take it entirely at face
I am in two grant committees, and I can assure that I comment the value of
the project and not the sex or the race of the candidate.
I think that a woman would appreciate more that a project is supported
because it's a good project than because it is a project submitted by a
woman.
Anyway the
Ah, just in time for ENWP's birthday on January 15.
Am 08.01.2015 18:13 schrieb Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com:
Hello all,
On Friday 16 January 2015 Wikipedia will receive in the person of Jimmy
Wales a honorary doctorate in Maastricht, the Netherlands.
He will receive this during the
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 4:30 PM, mcc99 mc...@hotmail.com wrote:
But in future, I think I'll sign in more often, esp. now that half the
WikiGods have my uid on an alert trigger now. :)
I think the question is only being asked because you're displaying a
profound lack of understanding of how
It's a rhetorical question, but, based on experience, I would probably
chime in if a similar proposal was floated about native people such as
African tribes or American Indians; most hardly ever edit, even in
their own language, and throwing money at the problem is unlikely to
be productive.
On 8 Jan 2015 16:11, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
...
I've noticed that women are often quite motivated and good at writing
grant proposals.
Extending good faith I would presume this is irony. It does not transmit
well by email. Please keep in mind how offensive this sort of thing
I was actually wondering if Matt had much experience of the often discussed
toxic environment reported for some of the Wikipedias, and cited as a reason
for low female participation. Perhaps I should have asked more directly.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From:
If you take it entirely at face value, I find it quite inoffensive. As I have
no experience with reviewing grant proposals, I can't comment on its accuracy,
but I am quite happy to take Fred's word for it.
Offence is often available if you search for it hard enough.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original
I'm just going to preface this by pointing out that I didn't actually
read all of the OP due to a philosophical opposition to giant walls of
text, but I think you've kind of missed the point in a few places.
Also please don't call people names. That's not nice.
On 08/01/15 10:52, geni wrote:
* Liam Wyatt wrote:
I understand from the explanations that the reason for not accepting
any non-gender-gap focused grants for several months is because of the
expected workload on the staff in reviewing applications and
supporting the projects that do get funded.
However, what I don't understand
If this was intended as a response to my post I'm afraid I don’t get the
relevance.
I was also not aware that the grants were awarded to men. I thought they were
awarded to projects on merit.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
* Kim Bruning wrote:
Found another article calling out Wikipedia. Are there also
articles praising us? :-)
https://medium.com/backchannel/less-than-zero-199bcb05a868
Quoting,
Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and Wikipedia become “the Internet” for
the users of mobile data supported by
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly, there's not a single thing I've read, or a single objection I've
seen raised, that wasn't about how unnecessary it is to focus on women. I
don't think we've ever heard that about the global south, or non-European
Dr. Wikipedia only specializes in treating CN.
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On Jan 8, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
It is an
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
It is an honorary doctorate, not quite the same. As I understand it, it is
not connected to a discipline.
So, wait... you're saying that Wikipedia is not a real doctor, and I
*shouldn't* be relying on it for medical
On 08/01/15 20:04, Austin Hair wrote:
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly, there's not a single thing I've read, or a single objection I've
seen raised, that wasn't about how unnecessary it is to focus on women. I
don't think we've ever heard that about
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