Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-09 Thread Peter Southwood
How would this proposed social media service avoid the problems of existing 
social media in that they are generally not 'knowledge dissemination services', 
but spreaders of opinion, disinformation, and often complete rubbish, with a 
random sprinkling of knowledge scattered among the garbage?

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On 9 Apr 2018, at 11.28, Peter Southwood 
> wrote:

Why would we want to?

Because we want to "become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of 
free knowledge”.

How would it further the aims of the movement?

Knowledge is dynamic. Today social media services are the most influential 
knowledge and belief creation services online. When Wikipedia was started,  
websites use to hold this position. With Wikimedia social media service, that 
would rely on the four last of the five pillars[1], I think we could really 
further the aims of the movement.

How much would it cost?

Hard to say.

Who would run it?

Us.

- Teemu

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars

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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

Hi,

I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not 
abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting 
anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora* 
Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a 
microblogging service rather than a social network service.

Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social network 
service?

In the "2017 Movement strategy” we state: “By 2030, Wikimedia will become the 
essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge”. If we consider 
discussions and information shared on social network services to be 
“knowledge”, I think we should have a role in here too.

We have 33 million registered users and fulfil all the requirements of being a 
“fair service”. A minimum list of features to make Wikimedia Social would be:

(1) Status updates
(2) Comments
(3) Likes
(4)Groups
maybe:
(5) Events

I am pretty sure that by integrating this to other Wikimedia services (Commons 
etc.) we could achieve something awesome.

- Teemu

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-09 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 12:46 AM, Leinonen Teemu  wrote:
> I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not 
> abusing
> personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting anonymity,
> free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora* Project[1] is 
> not
> moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a microblogging service
> rather than a social network service.

Wikimedia projects are social networks, but they are purpose-driven
social networks [1] where participants are more strongly connected
through their overlapping interests than through pre-existing social
connections. To the extent that Wikimedia should develop better social
networking tools, they should IMO be along the lines of the ideas
being prototyped by WikiProject X [2][3]. Improving other social tools
routinely used in connection with Wikimedia work, such as IRC and
mailing lists, likely would also have near term benefit.

I don't think that you can make a compelling argument that building
general purpose social networking software (as in, share cat+baby
pictures with friends) is in scope of Wikimedia's mission. But
Wikimedia organizations do use general purpose social networks like
Twitter and Facebook for outreach. I do think, given the Wikimedia's
strong orientation towards open source and open standards,
that_participating_ in open, decentralized communities like Mastodon
would be an appropriate way to extend that presence on existing
platforms. I personally think Diaspora can be safely ignored at this
point, and am hoping a better open FB alternative will emerge.

Erik

[1] 
https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_purpose-driven_social_network:_Supporting_WikiProjects_with_technology
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_X
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CollaborationKit

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Rodrigo Padula
I am very disappointed with this decision and announcement.

Surely anyone who has read this notice must be thinking that Brazil is at war, 
in wreckage. But that is not true.

Brazil has never produced so much positive impact in our movement as it has 
now. Both groups have extensively created many very innovative initiatives, 
making Brazil one of the leading countries among Wikimedia movement:

GLAM reports
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:This_Month_in_GLAM_Brazil_reports  

Innovative GLAM partnerships and projects
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/April_2017/Contents/Brazil_report
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/November_2017/Contents/Brazil_report
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/February_2018/Contents/Brazil_report

We spread the wikimedia movement in Brazil through many television 
participations https://youtu.be/9YOIXPwCqw4?t=46m32s (spreading the Wikipedia 
and fundraising campaigns), Radio interviews and many publications in Brazilian 
newspapers, portals and blogs. We organized the Brazilian and International 
Wikipedia Scientific Conferences, generating lot of new academic papers 
regarding the wikimedia movement and improving our relation with the academic 
community.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Congresso_Cient%C3%ADfico_Brasileiro_da_Wikip%C3%A9dia
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:IWSC

Such misleading narrative about a “war” has been exaggerated in order to prove 
to WMF it was a bad call to allow more than one user group in the same region. 
But it isn’t. Many countries have more than one group. In fact, a fairly amount 
of healthy competition may lead to more initiatives. Such artificial narrative 
ended up hurting both sides.

This, of course, doesn’t mean there hasn’t been mistakes and conflicts among 
specific members. For sure some conflicts were very unproductive and made us 
spend energy in unfruitful discussions. But most members from both groups were 
genuinely interested in a peaceful and constructive relationship, being 
critical of other members’ refusal to mediation, dialogue and insistence on 
extended personal conflicts.

I have tried informal mediation and requested WMF formal mediation several 
times. But no formal support was given, just disciplinary measures. This may be 
something to learn for the future.  

We are moving forward with the professionalization and incorporation of our 
user group since 2016, in a very slow process, with very few answers received 
from AffCom during this process.

Recent timeline of interactions with AffCom:
19/12/2016 We sent a message to AffCom, regarding our affiliation status 
update, because we were working to incorporate our user group as requested by 
the Grants team.

07/01/2017 We received an answer from Carlos Colina requesting more information 
and our bylaws (originally in portuguese since he speaks portuguese for a first 
evaluation)

02/04/2017 We requested a conversation with members of the User Group Wikimedia 
Brazil durgin WMCON (they refused to talk), so during Wikimedia Conference I 
had a quick conversation with Kirill, about the bylaws sent to Carlos Colina 
and the general situation in Brazil.

03/05/2017 We received a new message from Aff requesting the translated by laws

 06/2017 I requested mediation from AffCom/Iberocoop to have a conversation 
between both groups during Iberoconf in Argentina as informed in our comments 
(https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Iberocoop:Iberoconf_2017/Preguntas_y_necesidades),
 User Group Wikimedia Brasil refused to talk, so we had a conversation only 
with Galileo and Carlos Colina from AffCom and we never received any feedback 
from this conversation.

26/10/2017 We received a message informing that they received the translated 
bylaws for evaluation, no comments about conflicts or problem between the user 
groups were cited.

08/04/2018 We received the revocation notice of our affiliation status


I deeply believe in the Wikimedia movement. We have started and signed several 
partnerships and projects which be developed during the following years. So, 
with or without recognition, support or grants from the Foundation, we will 
continue to work, to advocate for open knowledge and to fix the current 
situation in Brazil.

We will move on. It will be more difficult and slow, but we will always move 
forward.

Rodrigo Padula
Coordenador de Projetos
Wiki Educação Brasil
http://www.wikibrasil.org
21 99326-0558




 On Sun, 08 Apr 2018 15:19:55 -0300 Kirill Lokshin 
kirill.loks...@gmail.com wrote  

Hello everyone,

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
are 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-09 Thread Leinonen Teemu
On 9 Apr 2018, at 11.28, Peter Southwood 
> wrote:

Why would we want to?

Because we want to "become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of 
free knowledge”.

How would it further the aims of the movement?

Knowledge is dynamic. Today social media services are the most influential 
knowledge and belief creation services online. When Wikipedia was started,  
websites use to hold this position. With Wikimedia social media service, that 
would rely on the four last of the five pillars[1], I think we could really 
further the aims of the movement.

How much would it cost?

Hard to say.

Who would run it?

Us.

- Teemu

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars

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Leinonen Teemu
Sent: 09 April 2018 09:46
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

Hi,

I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not 
abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting 
anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora* 
Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a 
microblogging service rather than a social network service.

Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social network 
service?

In the "2017 Movement strategy” we state: “By 2030, Wikimedia will become the 
essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge”. If we consider 
discussions and information shared on social network services to be 
“knowledge”, I think we should have a role in here too.

We have 33 million registered users and fulfil all the requirements of being a 
“fair service”. A minimum list of features to make Wikimedia Social would be:

(1) Status updates
(2) Comments
(3) Likes
(4)Groups
maybe:
(5) Events

I am pretty sure that by integrating this to other Wikimedia services (Commons 
etc.) we could achieve something awesome.

- Teemu

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Rodrigo,

Eligibility for grants is determined by the Wikimedia Foundation's
community resources department, rather than by the Affiliations Committee.
I imagine that the Wikimedia Foundation may choose to take our decision
into account when evaluating future grant proposals, but it's not something
that we have any authority to impose.

Regards,
Kirill

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
> year."
>
> And grant requests? I am not privy to the conflict details, but it seems to
> be generated by the claim of lack of legitimacy and misuse of money, is
> that correct? So should not also individual grant requests for this primary
> contacts be blocked?
>
> Agreeing with Ilario, but would be nice to see the "whys" they came to
> this. Without this deep look, the "Brazil, restart again" will act over and
> over again - this is not the first time, and will not be the last, until
> some stakeholders stop relieving themselves of responsibility, admit the
> mistakes and take a stand to fix the problem, some of it, could be created
> not by locals... Finished this analyses and actions made Mardetanha
> proposal will be a consequence, writing now as it is now, I do not see how
> could be beneficial.
>
>
> x0x0
>
> On 9 April 2018 at 03:54, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:
>
> > Hi Kirill
> > It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
> > the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
> > derecognized.
> >
> > At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a
> local
> > Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
> > recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute
> it
> > to reach the primary and original goal.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin, 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> > > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
> > which
> > > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic
> organization,
> > > or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia
> User
> > > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging
> in
> > > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations
> or
> > > Wikimedia projects.
> > >
> > > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> > > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education
> Brazil
> > —
> > > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has
> resulted
> > > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> > > activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the
> conflict
> > > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> > > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
> > >
> > > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
> > and
> > > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and
> the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> > > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as
> practicable.
> > > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts
> for
> > > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts
> for
> > > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
> > year.
> > >
> > > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> > > unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> > > Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> > > structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> > > participants and stakeholders in the country.
> > >
> > > Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> > > Affiliations Committee.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ORES support checklist for communities

2018-04-09 Thread James Salsman
Amir,

Would you please comment on how these two techniques for creating new
articles affects the quality of ORES models?

(1) https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2018-March/006236.html

(2) https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2018-April/006238.html

Thank you.

Best regards,
Jim


On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:09 AM, Amir Sarabadani
 wrote:
> Hey,
> Scoring platform team aims to support more wikis but keeping track of how
> much support they need is not easy. This is why we built a tool that
> automatically gets updated and shows us an overview of the current support
> and specially it shows progress of labelling campaigns in different wikis
> so it's easier for us and the community to see which wiki is about to
> finish or which wiki is stalled.
>
> You can find the tool in https://tools.wmflabs.org/ores-support-checklist/
>
> The source code is in http://github.com/wiki-ai/ores-support-checklist.
> Pull requests are welcome
> To report problems or request new features, feel free to file a phabricator
> ticket tagged with ores-support-checklist (
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/ores-support-checklist/)
>
> Best
> --
> Amir Sarabadani
> Software Engineer
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Lodewijk,

You're entirely correct in that we don't want to see the situation in
Brazil remain as it is, and I think there are many potential ways forward
here.  Certainly, creating a new user group could be one of them; so could
a collaborative network of smaller, more localized groups, or perhaps an
entirely different structure that doesn't fit exactly into the current
affiliate model.

Having said that, I don't believe it's really our place, as a committee, to
tell the Brazilian community how to proceed; that decision is one that the
community will need to make after considering the specific needs that this
affiliate structure must serve and the degree to which different
stakeholders are willing (or not) to set aside their differences in order
to build it.  The Affiliations Committee can advise the community on how to
apply the existing affiliate model -- or even on how to transform it into
something new -- but it's ultimately the local community that will need to
decide what they can live with.

Regards,
Kirill

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:23 AM, Lodewijk 
wrote:

> Hi Kirill,
>
> Could you clarify what would be a path forward from this situation? For
> example, would you encourage someone to set up a new application for a user
> group in Brazil, if they have a good proposal (and/or proven commitment)
> for how to manage the collaboration with the whole Brazilian community?
>
> I doubt the intention of AffCom is to leave the situation in Brazil to
> remain broken indefinitely.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
>> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
>> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
>> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
>> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
>> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
>> Wikimedia projects.
>>
>> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
>> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
>> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
>> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
>> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
>> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
>> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>>
>> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
>> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
>> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
>> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
>> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
>> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
>> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
>> year.
>>
>> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
>> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
>> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
>> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
>> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>>
>> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
>> Affiliations Committee.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Kirill Lokshin
Hi Ilario,

We're certainly very aware of the broader context of conflict between
overlapping local groups, and the potential for individuals to misuse the
user group model as a vehicle for attacking existing affiliates or
furthering personal disputes among affiliate leaders or members; there have
been several similar incidents in the past -- if, perhaps, none as severe
as what we saw in this case -- and it's something we've taken into account
when reviewing user group applications in recent months.

One of the main items on the agenda for our annual meeting in Berlin is a
discussion about overlapping affiliates -- both in the obvious geographic
sense, and in the broader sense of programmatic overlap between traditional
geographically-oriented groups and groups that focus on particular topics,
themes, or types of partners.  Our eventual goal, within the context of the
movement strategy discussions, is to evolve our current affiliate model to
better serve the needs of the (often overlapping) communities that form the
basis of movement affiliates, while preventing the sorts of inter-affiliate
conflicts that we've seen develop over the past few years.  I don't know,
at this point, what this evolved model might look like, but we anticipate
involving the community more closely in our discussions as the process
moves forward.

Regards,
Kirill

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:54 AM, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> Hi Kirill
> It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
> the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
> derecognized.
>
> At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a
> local Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
> recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
> to reach the primary and original goal.
>
> Kind regards
>
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
>> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
>> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
>> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
>> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
>> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
>> Wikimedia projects.
>>
>> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
>> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
>> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
>> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
>> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
>> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
>> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>>
>> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
>> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
>> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
>> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
>> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
>> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
>> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
>> year.
>>
>> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
>> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
>> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
>> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
>> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>>
>> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
>> Affiliations Committee.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
"Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year."

And grant requests? I am not privy to the conflict details, but it seems to
be generated by the claim of lack of legitimacy and misuse of money, is
that correct? So should not also individual grant requests for this primary
contacts be blocked?

Agreeing with Ilario, but would be nice to see the "whys" they came to
this. Without this deep look, the "Brazil, restart again" will act over and
over again - this is not the first time, and will not be the last, until
some stakeholders stop relieving themselves of responsibility, admit the
mistakes and take a stand to fix the problem, some of it, could be created
not by locals... Finished this analyses and actions made Mardetanha
proposal will be a consequence, writing now as it is now, I do not see how
could be beneficial.


x0x0

On 9 April 2018 at 03:54, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:

> Hi Kirill
> It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
> the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
> derecognized.
>
> At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a local
> Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
> recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
> to reach the primary and original goal.
>
> Kind regards
>
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin, 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
> which
> > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
> > or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
> > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
> > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
> > Wikimedia projects.
> >
> > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil
> —
> > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
> > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> > activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
> > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
> >
> > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
> and
> > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
> > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
> > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
> year.
> >
> > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> > unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> > Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> > structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> > participants and stakeholders in the country.
> >
> > Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> > Affiliations Committee.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Hi Kiril,

You wrote above "all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict have
failed". It would be interesting to let us have the idea of these
reasonable attempts. Why did you think de-recognizing these groups is the
best decision? What I understood from Tele's comment is that you did
nothing to resolve the issues and you just watched the conflicts escalated.
This is probably  not a good thing to hear about the affiliation committee.

Regards,

Isaac

On Apr 9, 2018 7:54 AM, "Ilario Valdelli"  wrote:

> Hi Kirill
> It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
> the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
> derecognized.
>
> At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a
> local Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
> recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
> to reach the primary and original goal.
>
> Kind regards
>
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
>> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
>> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
>> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
>> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
>> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
>> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
>> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
>> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
>> Wikimedia projects.
>>
>> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
>> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
>> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
>> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
>> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
>> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
>> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>>
>> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
>> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
>> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
>> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
>> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
>> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
>> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
>> year.
>>
>> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
>> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
>> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
>> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
>> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>>
>> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
>> Affiliations Committee.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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[Wikimedia-l] ORES support checklist for communities

2018-04-09 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey,
Scoring platform team aims to support more wikis but keeping track of how
much support they need is not easy. This is why we built a tool that
automatically gets updated and shows us an overview of the current support
and specially it shows progress of labelling campaigns in different wikis
so it's easier for us and the community to see which wiki is about to
finish or which wiki is stalled.

You can find the tool in https://tools.wmflabs.org/ores-support-checklist/

The source code is in http://github.com/wiki-ai/ores-support-checklist.
Pull requests are welcome
To report problems or request new features, feel free to file a phabricator
ticket tagged with ores-support-checklist (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/ores-support-checklist/)

Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-09 Thread Peter Southwood
Why would we want to? How would it further the aims of the movement? How much 
would it cost? Who would run it?
Cheers,
Peter

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Leinonen Teemu
Sent: 09 April 2018 09:46
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

Hi, 

I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not 
abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting 
anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora* 
Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a 
microblogging service rather than a social network service.

Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social network 
service? 

In the "2017 Movement strategy” we state: “By 2030, Wikimedia will become the 
essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge”. If we consider 
discussions and information shared on social network services to be 
“knowledge”, I think we should have a role in here too.

We have 33 million registered users and fulfil all the requirements of being a 
“fair service”. A minimum list of features to make Wikimedia Social would be: 

(1) Status updates 
(2) Comments 
(3) Likes 
(4)Groups 
maybe: 
(5) Events 

I am pretty sure that by integrating this to other Wikimedia services (Commons 
etc.) we could achieve something awesome.

- Teemu

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) 
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-09 Thread Leinonen Teemu
Hi, 

I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not 
abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting 
anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora* 
Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a 
microblogging service rather than a social network service.

Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social network 
service? 

In the "2017 Movement strategy” we state: “By 2030, Wikimedia will become the 
essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge”. If we consider 
discussions and information shared on social network services to be 
“knowledge”, I think we should have a role in here too.

We have 33 million registered users and fulfil all the requirements of being a 
“fair service”. A minimum list of features to make Wikimedia Social would be: 

(1) Status updates 
(2) Comments 
(3) Likes 
(4)Groups 
maybe: 
(5) Events 

I am pretty sure that by integrating this to other Wikimedia services (Commons 
etc.) we could achieve something awesome.

- Teemu

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.

At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a local
Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
to reach the primary and original goal.

Kind regards

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin,  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
> Wikimedia projects.
>
> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>
> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
>
> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>
> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> Affiliations Committee.
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Isaac Olatunde
Extremely sad news. I can't comment on the fairness but it does seem like
the best decision has been taken.


Regards,

Isaac

On Apr 8, 2018 9:52 PM, "Lucas Teles"  wrote:

> That’s very unexpected. I actually have been trying to talk with WMF plenty
> of times and waiting and waiting for a word from you. Though you probably
> received lots of emails from me and others, I don’t think I have a single
> email from you guys about this in my inbox
>
> I have literally implored you to provide me and answer for a few cases
> opened has been a while in order to have any instruction or advice on how
> to act in many situations. But that never came.
>
> This is probably the first time I hear from you, Kirill, and I respectfully
> disagree that one can consider that you did well on it. You just let it all
> happen and watched this escalate without any help. We were working on our
> mistakes, we were building our code of conduct, accepted mediation with
> Millos and others, but the feeling is that we were totally alone on that.
> Sadly, your actions were always directed to both groups as if you were
> avoiding to take any side or decision, like you are doing now, taking a
> general action and not addressing any issue specifically.
>
> I hope this change is for the best, but also hope that you can recognize
> your own mistakes here as others from WMF did. Just like I don’t think we
> did well every single moment and try to learn from it, you can’t really
> believe that you did a good job here. If you do (and that is the impression
> we have from your message), that is worrying. Then again, I hear from you,
> after so much time of silence and what I hear is punishment. You can’t
> probably think that you are being any educational on the matter. Sorry if
> there is any harsh word above, but that is sincerely unintentional.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Teles
>
>
> Em dom, 8 de abr de 2018 às 16:32, Vi to 
> escreveu:
>
> > Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected.
> > I hope some new group will arise from these ruins.
> >
> > Vito
> >
> > 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin :
> >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> > > organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> > > group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
> Wikimedia
> > > mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> > > affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements,
> > which
> > > are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic
> organization,
> > > or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia
> User
> > > Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging
> in
> > > activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations
> or
> > > Wikimedia projects.
> > >
> > > As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> > > Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education
> Brazil
> > —
> > > have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has
> resulted
> > > in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> > > activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the
> conflict
> > > have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> > > withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
> > >
> > > Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil
> > and
> > > Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and
> the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> > > terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as
> practicable.
> > > Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts
> for
> > > these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts
> for
> > > any user group application or existing user group for a period of one
> > year.
> > >
> > > The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> > > unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> > > Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> > > structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> > > participants and stakeholders in the country.
> > >
> > > Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> > > Affiliations Committee.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Kirill,

Could you clarify what would be a path forward from this situation? For
example, would you encourage someone to set up a new application for a user
group in Brazil, if they have a good proposal (and/or proven commitment)
for how to manage the collaboration with the whole Brazilian community?

I doubt the intention of AffCom is to leave the situation in Brazil to
remain broken indefinitely.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
> Wikimedia projects.
>
> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>
> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
>
> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>
> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> Affiliations Committee.
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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