Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediach-l] red cross

[Frédéric Schütz]

On 04/07/14 00:26, rupert THURNER wrote:

> did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc?
> concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be
> any topic interesting for a cooperation?

Yes; one librarian from the ICRC photo department recently visited one
of Wikimedia CH's Wikipermanences (
http://frwp.org/Wikipédia:WikiPermanence/Suisse ).

They are currently at the (very) early stage of developing a policy for
the global diffusion of their images, and are checking all possible
options. They have a large stock of pictures that could potentially be
distributed (meaning: not the ones documenting e.g. recent prisoners of
wars, etc).

Their main worry seems to be "how do we make sure that people do not use
the pictures in a way we're not happy with", so they are not ready (yet)
to go down the free license route... But we had a long discussion about
possible scenarios, describing what other institutions have done, etc.
It seems to be a bit early for a more formal contact, but we're keeping
in touch with them. And the fact that they initiated contact is a good
start.

Frédéric

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

Thank you... there is a message on Hahc21's talk page.

> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 01:21:44 -0430
> From: hah...@gmail.com
> To: wiki.p...@gmail.com
> CC: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors
> 
> How can I help?
> 
> 
> 2014-07-04 0:20 GMT-04:30 Pine W :
> 
> > Sounds like a local issue for ES wiki. I'll ask Hahc21 to look at this.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> es.wiki creating user pages
> >>
> >> > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200
> >> > From: nemow...@gmail.com
> >> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors
> >> >
> >> > Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15:
> >> > > What project(s) are you working on?
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> >> > Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops.
> >> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Pine W]

Leigh was giving a presentation to professors and while the presentation
was happening the professors' ESWP user pages were being deleted. Can you
contact Leigh on her ES talk page and attempt to figure out what was
happening with those user pages as well as the conduct of the people
involved in the deletions? Thanks.


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Harold Hidalgo  wrote:

> How can I help?
>
>
> 2014-07-04 0:20 GMT-04:30 Pine W :
>
> Sounds like a local issue for ES wiki. I'll ask Hahc21 to look at this.
>>
>> Pine
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> es.wiki creating user pages
>>>
>>> > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200
>>> > From: nemow...@gmail.com
>>> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors
>>> >
>>> > Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15:
>>> > > What project(s) are you working on?
>>> >
>>> > Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops.
>>> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

[Erik Moeller]

On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Michael Peel  wrote:

> I am worried by how short-term the current plans/goals are, though. I know 
> that
> a lot of work that the engineering department does, particularly with regards
> software, which can only be planned on a quarterly basis to ensure it's as 
> agile
> and responsive to changing needs as possible. However, there's also the
> long-term view - what the key pieces of work that department wants to get done
> over the course of the next year or longer are - which is currently missing. 
> I think
> this is particularly important for the engineering side of things (expected 
> server
> capacity needs etc.), but it's also relevant for the software development 
> side in
> terms of the larger picture.
>
> Is there a wikipage available somewhere that sets out the long-term
> view/strategic priorities for the engineering department? If not, could I 
> encourage
> you to think about starting one?

Dear Mike,

Thanks for the thoughtful question.

On the subject of short term vs. long term precision, I'd encourage
you (and others) to view Lila's presentation from the metrics meeting
today [1]. We should be able to say with precision with what we're
going to do in the next quarter and paint a general picture as to what
we're going to do in a year.

There are indeed areas of planning that are a bit more predictable,
e.g. hardware purchases. The line item detailed view of the budget is
internal, but it includes year-long estimates for operating expenses
and capital expenditures, for example, based on hardware inventory,
warranty information, capacity projections, vendor agreements, and
project planning. They can still be thrown off if a major project with
lots of inter-dependencies like a data-center build-out falls behind
schedule.

The current engineering draft goals do include team-level Q3 and Q4
goals, but I've been OK keeping these fairly minimal for now. What's
more important is adding the narrative and through-line as well as
department-wide targets, which is still on my to-do list. Lila added a
couple of example dept-wide targets that we'll be fleshing out
further. We've already stated some of this in the FDC proposal (esp.
the mobile section), but I'll be bringing it into a more concise
summary focused on explaining the strategic context and the expected
outcomes.

I'm optimistic that as we develop this goalsetting framework further
it can serve as a template for how some of this work is done
organization-wide, potentially replacing the additional narratives
developed for the Annual Planning/FDC process.

Erik

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993lpGrittg
-- 
Erik Möller
VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Harold Hidalgo]

How can I help?


2014-07-04 0:20 GMT-04:30 Pine W :

> Sounds like a local issue for ES wiki. I'll ask Hahc21 to look at this.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
> wrote:
>
>> es.wiki creating user pages
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200
>> > From: nemow...@gmail.com
>> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors
>> >
>> > Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15:
>> > > What project(s) are you working on?
>> >
>> > Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops.
>> >
>> > Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

[Pine W]

In general, supervisors in any organization should be interested in the
performance of their employees. If there is evidence that an employee is
slacking, being unresponsive, or creating unnecessary friction, I would
expect a supervisor to exercise good judgement in listening to the concern,
making a reasonable investigation, and taking appropriate action to address
the problem if there is one.

If you are uncomfortable with approaching the supervisor or don't know who
the supervisor is, then contacting WMF HR would be one option. You could
also contact one of the community-elected WMF trustees.

I am including Gayle on this email. She may be away from her email due to
the US holiday weekend but I hope she will comment when she is available.

Pine


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> On 03/07/14 18:16, Pine W wrote:
>
>> In the past, this mailing list has been used for discussions of staff
>> conduct, which I am not sure is the best idea when identifiable people are
>> involved. I suggest that a first line of approach would be to discuss the
>> matter civilly with the people directly involved including the employee
>> and
>> other volunteers, and if that doesn't get results, then go to the
>> employees' supervisor.
>>
>> WMF HR has told me in the past that they can also step in with situations
>> like this.
>>
>> Pine
>>
>
> The problem is, in my experience the main problem has usually been that
> the people involved won't talk at all, at least in the case of the
> employees. And what are you supposed to say? Somehow I don't think "Hi,
> please remember that consensus is something you're supposed to follow" or
> "Hi, could you please do your job?" would help matters any.
>
> Would tracking down their supervisors and hoping they know any more than
> the other folks do really be the best option? Personally I wouldn't even
> know where to start, and even then there's no guarantee they would listen.
> Email shows up from someone they've never heard of calling into question
> their people. Or better yet, email shows up from someone they understand
> that their people widely regard to be a troll. Might be difficult to keep
> an open mind at that point. (I've had this happen.)
>
> Perhaps HR is the only way to go at that point? But even then, how do you
> bring that up?
>
>
> -I
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Monthly report of activities in Belgium: June

[Pine W]

Thank you Romaine. It's nice to hear of Wikimedia Belgium's progress.

Those photos are making me hungry.

Pine


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Romaine Wiki  wrote:

> (Translations of this report are also available in Dutch
> 
> and French
> 
> .)
>
>
> This is a summary of the activities in Belgium in the month May 2014 and
> some upcoming activities.
> News
>
> The Affiliation Committee recommended the WMF Board to approve our
> chapter. Read more at: meta:Affiliations Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia
> Belgium - June 2014
> 
> .
> Pro-iBiosphere final event Meise
>
> 
>  
> Bouchout Castle 
>
> At 11 June Daniel Mietchen
>  gave a presentation
> about Wikipedia and Wikimedia at the pro-iBiosphere Final Event in Meise
> , near Brussels. The event was held
> in the Bouchout Castle 
> which houses the Botanic Garden Meise
> .
>
> At the event the Bouchout Declaration on Open Access to Biodiversity data
> was launched, signed by over 50 institutions and organizations.[1]
> 
>
>- The Bouchout Declaration for Open Biodiversity Knowledge Management
>
>
>  [image: Open]  The
> purpose of the Bouchout Declaration is to help make digital data about our
> biodiversity openly available. It offers members of the biodiversity
> community a way to demonstrate their commitment to open science.
> *— http://bouchoutdeclaration.org/ *
>  [image: Close] 
>
> *Related links*
>
>- Page about the Wikimedia workshop at the Pro-iBiosphere final event
>
> 
>- Presentation during the Wikimedia workshop on Wikipedia
>
> 
>- Category with photos of the event
>
> 
>- Mailing list announcement Wikimedia workshop at biodiversity event
>near Brussels in June
>, 13
>April
>
>
>-  [image: Pro-iBiosphere Event Meise Brussels, June 2014 (4).jpg]
>
> 
> -
>
> 
>
>This Month in GLAM mentioned
>
>
> Virtual collaboration in the Belgian federal government
>  
>  
> The national monument of Belgium, the Atomium
> , censored due a lack of FOP
>
> At 17 June Romaine  gave
> a presentation for the communicators and knowledge managers of various
> federal government departments. The subject of the day was virtual
> collaboration and Wikipedia is a good example of such collaboration. There
> was especially attention to how users work together on a wiki. This
> included:
>
>- procedures and how differences in opinion are managed;
>- projects organized on a wiki and projects together with GLAMs and
>other organisations; and
>- the limitations users face, among:
>   - *no* freedom of panorama
>    (FOP) in
>   Belgium;
>   - government works are copyrighted and not in the public domain; and
>   - the difficult position of orphan works
>   .
>
>
>-
>
> 
>
>Presentation for the communicators and knowledge managers of various
>federal government departments
> -
>
> 
>
>The Berlaymont building
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] red cross

[Pine W]

Definitely the ICRC sounds like a good partner organization. My first
thought is that it would be good if they made their photography available
on Commons. There might also be some opportunities for collaboration in
Wikipedia Zero-like accessibility initiatives, and with the Wiki Med
Foundation.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Pine W]

Sounds like a local issue for ES wiki. I'll ask Hahc21 to look at this.

Pine


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter 
wrote:

> es.wiki creating user pages
>
> > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200
> > From: nemow...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors
> >
> > Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15:
> > > What project(s) are you working on?
> >
> > Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops.
> >
> > Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Evacuation

[Pine W]

Nice work.

Pine


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> David, thanks for posting that link here.
>
> Magnus, it looks like you've made (yet another) excellent tool, and
> described the problem it aims to alleviate in an eloquent and accessible
> way.
>
> Great to see a step forward in this area!
> Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Magnus!
> >
> > (add wikimedia-l to cc)
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
> > On 3 July 2014 21:47, Magnus Manske  wrote:
> > > An attempt to alleviate the tensions caused by file deletions on
> Commons:
> > >
> > > http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=218
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Michael Snow]

On 7/3/2014 8:33 PM, James Salsman wrote:

a volunteer who has
single-handedly saved volunteer-centuries of time and then taken a
principled, non-zero sum stand to offer agreement to the FOSS release
requirement on Wikimedia Labs in return for the resources necessary to
build new systems.
If that's an accurate characterization of his position, it sounds like 
he doesn't actually want to be a volunteer, he wants to be compensated. 
While I know nothing of his qualifications, there are certainly openings 
that might be considered if that's the case. But there are also 
tradeoffs involved in that, notably that one's work becomes subject to 
the direction of others, instead of just doing whatever one wants.

Without the ability to experiment in an unfettered
manner, "Labs" should be renamed "Unpaid Intern Server Farm."
Allowing unfettered experimentation is highly irresponsible, as 
highlighted by the recent furor over Facebook's practices. There should 
always be some minimum level of oversight; after all, much of the 
premise behind our massively collaborative projects is that your work is 
subject to review at any time. The posture that's apparently being taken 
is also not especially conducive to fostering trust, which is needed if 
the prospect of closer supervision is objectionable for some reason.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Samuel Klein]

John: thank you again.

James Salsman writes:
> suggestions that IA has any more legal risk than the Foundation

Of course they do.  The Wayback Machine alone is the largest
publicly-accessible archive of copyrighted material in the world.  The
only other archives that come within magnitudes of that effort are
state-sponsored and -protected, such as Norway's Nasjonalbiblioteket.

Pete Forsyth wrote:
>> > Is Reftools FOSS?
>> No, it is not,
> It seems to me that the problem is very simple, in that case: how to come
> up with a free/libre tool, to be hosted on WMFlabs

Last I checked, Labs requires OSI-approved licenses.  I believe the
context is that Dispenser (the developer) would adopt such a license.

Sam

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

>... the standard category of a programmer who doesn't work well
> with non-programmers and sucks at writing specs/documentation.

That is an extremely rude way to characterize a volunteer who has
single-handedly saved volunteer-centuries of time and then taken a
principled, non-zero sum stand to offer agreement to the FOSS release
requirement on Wikimedia Labs in return for the resources necessary to
build new systems. Without the ability to experiment in an unfettered
manner, "Labs" should be renamed "Unpaid Intern Server Farm."

> the resources necessary to do it. (probably upwards of 25-30k dollars)

Could we please see an itemization? Is Dell's surveillance-compatible
premium hardware still being purchased by the Foundation? What is the
current state of the art at the Foundation for redundant arrays of
supposedly inexpensive disks comprising network attached storage at
present, and how much does the Foundation spend for it?

> many organizations share our mission, some (like IA) quite eager
> to push the boundaries of the law in ways that improve global access
> to information

For values of "push the boundaries" equivalent to "conform as closely
as possible to both the letter and the spirit and quickly respond to
legal requests for abridgement when requested." Oblique suggestions
that IA has any more legal risk than the Foundation are not
productive. See _Field vs Google,_ US District Court, District of
Nevada, CV-S-04-0413-RCJ-LRL. The Foundation has repeatedly failed to
support IA, webcitation.org, and the like, even though our volunteers
depend heavily on them for conscientious improvements.

>... insistence on a more formal proposal, and a deliberative process
> of some kind to evaluate it, is absolutely correct.

The insistence was on hierarchical "supervision" and a demand for
examination of the finished product in advance. Where was the request
for a formal proposal?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

[Ivan Martínez]

Congratulations!
Muchas felicidades :)
El jul 3, 2014 8:57 p.m., "Sydney Poore"  escribió:

> That's awesome. Congrats to Hebrew Wikipedia !
>
> Sydney
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
> Wikipedian in Residence
> at Cochrane Collaboration
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm very excited to share that last night, we received the award at an
> > event presence with of hundreds of guests (Picture of the award:
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roaring_Lion_2014_award_to_Wikimedia_Israel.jpg
> > )
> >
> > The Roaring Lion competition is an award for excellence within Israel's
> > communications and public relations industry awarded by the Israel Public
> > Relations Associations. The campaign was chosen among many, judged by a
> > committee of public relations executives, academics and public figures.
> >
> > Last July the Hebrew Wikipedia celebrated her 10th anniversary. The
> > celebrations were followed by massive press coverage - TV radio, internet
> > and print. You can give a look on some of them in our Press Book:
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9iobJg3Vpp0bDdKaDExNmU2VEU/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > The strategy was to show the volunteers – the people behind the projects,
> > so each cover presented another volunteer. To show the power of Wikipedia
> > we collected a lot of numbers such the most viewed articles of the last 5
> > years, numbers of edits, words and many others – which leads to many
> items
> > covering the history of HEWP.
> >
> > But besides arranging massive coverage for the celebrations we were
> > looking for a special way to celebrate – to do something that has never
> > been done before. The result was a unique collaboration with TV Channel
> 2,
> > the most viewed channel in Israel! For an entire week, five of the most
> > senior Channel 2 reporters, who learned to edit Wikipedia by our
> > volunteers, wrote or extended an article on Hebrew Wikipedia. Then, each
> > recorded a one minute video, explaining why they have decided to write on
> > this specific topic. Every day, just before the evening news broadcast,
> the
> > video was broadcasted and while the anchor presented the project, he
> > explained "we wanted to celebrate Wikipedia’s 10th anniversary and show
> > that everyone can write an article on Wikipedia. Happy Birthday
> Wikipedia!”
> >
> > Due the success of the project Channel 2 decided to broadcast it all over
> > again on the week after. According to the ratings records 2.033 million
> > people (cumulatively) watched the project. On the celebrations month
> pages
> > views on Hebrew Wikipedia showed increase of 12% (compare to 1%
> > internationally) and increase of 12% in new articles (compare to 14%
> > internationally decrease).
> >
> > You can watch them the videos (translated to English) on our Youtube
> > Channel:
> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuQcXKjU3rwJ-TOL8lyru7oHvoufnWtED
> >
> > I wish to thank all the volunteers who take part making this happen, to
> > the Wikimedia Israel team, and to Gidoen Amichay who supported and helped
> > lead the Channel 2 cooperation.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson and Spokesperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Pete Forsyth]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:

> On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> > Is Reftools FOSS?
>
> No, it is not,


Thanks Marc.

It seems to me that the problem is very simple, in that case: how to come
up with a free/libre tool, to be hosted on WMFlabs, that replicates the
functionality of the previously-existing RefTools?

I'm willing to donate a little money and help spread the word. If there's a
developer capable of doing that, who could estimate how much it would cost,
please get in touch with me. I could also offer some help in putting
together a WMF grant proposal if that's a preferred avenue.

Let's leave all these questions about *additional* functionality aside, and
take care of the clear current problem. And please, let's not devote too
much of our limited bandwidth to non-free software.

Pete
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

[Sydney Poore]

That's awesome. Congrats to Hebrew Wikipedia !

Sydney

Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Wikipedian in Residence
at Cochrane Collaboration


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm very excited to share that last night, we received the award at an
> event presence with of hundreds of guests (Picture of the award:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roaring_Lion_2014_award_to_Wikimedia_Israel.jpg
> )
>
> The Roaring Lion competition is an award for excellence within Israel's
> communications and public relations industry awarded by the Israel Public
> Relations Associations. The campaign was chosen among many, judged by a
> committee of public relations executives, academics and public figures.
>
> Last July the Hebrew Wikipedia celebrated her 10th anniversary. The
> celebrations were followed by massive press coverage - TV radio, internet
> and print. You can give a look on some of them in our Press Book:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9iobJg3Vpp0bDdKaDExNmU2VEU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> The strategy was to show the volunteers – the people behind the projects,
> so each cover presented another volunteer. To show the power of Wikipedia
> we collected a lot of numbers such the most viewed articles of the last 5
> years, numbers of edits, words and many others – which leads to many items
> covering the history of HEWP.
>
> But besides arranging massive coverage for the celebrations we were
> looking for a special way to celebrate – to do something that has never
> been done before. The result was a unique collaboration with TV Channel 2,
> the most viewed channel in Israel! For an entire week, five of the most
> senior Channel 2 reporters, who learned to edit Wikipedia by our
> volunteers, wrote or extended an article on Hebrew Wikipedia. Then, each
> recorded a one minute video, explaining why they have decided to write on
> this specific topic. Every day, just before the evening news broadcast, the
> video was broadcasted and while the anchor presented the project, he
> explained "we wanted to celebrate Wikipedia’s 10th anniversary and show
> that everyone can write an article on Wikipedia. Happy Birthday Wikipedia!”
>
> Due the success of the project Channel 2 decided to broadcast it all over
> again on the week after. According to the ratings records 2.033 million
> people (cumulatively) watched the project. On the celebrations month pages
> views on Hebrew Wikipedia showed increase of 12% (compare to 1%
> internationally) and increase of 12% in new articles (compare to 14%
> internationally decrease).
>
> You can watch them the videos (translated to English) on our Youtube
> Channel:
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuQcXKjU3rwJ-TOL8lyru7oHvoufnWtED
>
> I wish to thank all the volunteers who take part making this happen, to
> the Wikimedia Israel team, and to Gidoen Amichay who supported and helped
> lead the Channel 2 cooperation.
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson and Spokesperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

Felicidades!!!

> From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 01:35:15 +0200
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel 
> received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR
> 
> Hoi,
> Congratulations..
> 
> Many awards are known at Wikidata and, the "Roaring Lion Award" is now one
> of them. Given that the Israeli chapter received this award, the item for
> the chapter has been updated with this fact. Also added were its creation
> date and the fact that it is a chapter.
> 
> It turns out that many chapters are not known on Wikidata.. Have a look [1]
> if your chapter is known and maybe you want to create an item for your
> chapter..
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
> 
> [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=15924535
> 
> 
> On 3 July 2014 17:55, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey,
> >
> > I'm very excited to share that last night, we received the award at an
> > event presence with of hundreds of guests (Picture of the award:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roaring_Lion_2014_award_to_Wikimedia_Israel.jpg
> > )
> >
> > The Roaring Lion competition is an award for excellence within Israel's
> > communications and public relations industry awarded by the Israel Public
> > Relations Associations. The campaign was chosen among many, judged by a
> > committee of public relations executives, academics and public figures.
> >
> > Last July the Hebrew Wikipedia celebrated her 10th anniversary. The
> > celebrations were followed by massive press coverage - TV radio, internet
> > and print. You can give a look on some of them in our Press Book:
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9iobJg3Vpp0bDdKaDExNmU2VEU/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > The strategy was to show the volunteers – the people behind the projects,
> > so each cover presented another volunteer. To show the power of Wikipedia
> > we collected a lot of numbers such the most viewed articles of the last 5
> > years, numbers of edits, words and many others – which leads to many items
> > covering the history of HEWP.
> >
> > But besides arranging massive coverage for the celebrations we were
> > looking for a special way to celebrate – to do something that has never
> > been done before. The result was a unique collaboration with TV Channel 2,
> > the most viewed channel in Israel! For an entire week, five of the most
> > senior Channel 2 reporters, who learned to edit Wikipedia by our
> > volunteers, wrote or extended an article on Hebrew Wikipedia. Then, each
> > recorded a one minute video, explaining why they have decided to write on
> > this specific topic. Every day, just before the evening news broadcast, the
> > video was broadcasted and while the anchor presented the project, he
> > explained "we wanted to celebrate Wikipedia’s 10th anniversary and show
> > that everyone can write an article on Wikipedia. Happy Birthday Wikipedia!”
> >
> > Due the success of the project Channel 2 decided to broadcast it all over
> > again on the week after. According to the ratings records 2.033 million
> > people (cumulatively) watched the project. On the celebrations month pages
> > views on Hebrew Wikipedia showed increase of 12% (compare to 1%
> > internationally) and increase of 12% in new articles (compare to 14%
> > internationally decrease).
> >
> > You can watch them the videos (translated to English) on our Youtube
> > Channel:
> > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuQcXKjU3rwJ-TOL8lyru7oHvoufnWtED
> >
> > I wish to thank all the volunteers who take part making this happen, to
> > the Wikimedia Israel team, and to Gidoen Amichay who supported and helped
> > lead the Channel 2 cooperation.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson and Spokesperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[John]

As I said I'm waiting for feedback first. What I sent to Coren is just a
rough draft. It will be posted to a wiki and more input will be requested.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM, John  wrote:
>
> > However I spent some time with him and chiseled out a few things, have a
> > grasp on exactly what Dispenser wants to accomplish and the resources
> > necessary to do it. (probably upwards of 25-30k dollars) I wrote up a
> rough
> > outline and both shorter term and longer term goals of the project. I
> have
> > already forwarded it to Coren for review, feedback and comments.
>
> Thank you for doing this.
> Would you mind publishing this on one of the wikis as well?
>
> > I suspect something more official will be announced after a quick sanity
> > check by the legal team.
>
> I think the main question is whether these new tools are a significant
> step forward for improving our knowledgebase, and worth this
> investment compared with related work that might achieve similar
> results.  If yes, then together we should make it happen.
>
> The questions of which individuals and groups host, maintain, and
> accept associated legal risk are secondary: many organizations share
> our mission, some (like IA) quite eager to push the boundaries of the
> law in ways that improve global access to information.
>
> Sam
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Samuel Klein]

Hello John,

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM, John  wrote:

> However I spent some time with him and chiseled out a few things, have a
> grasp on exactly what Dispenser wants to accomplish and the resources
> necessary to do it. (probably upwards of 25-30k dollars) I wrote up a rough
> outline and both shorter term and longer term goals of the project. I have
> already forwarded it to Coren for review, feedback and comments.

Thank you for doing this.
Would you mind publishing this on one of the wikis as well?

> I suspect something more official will be announced after a quick sanity
> check by the legal team.

I think the main question is whether these new tools are a significant
step forward for improving our knowledgebase, and worth this
investment compared with related work that might achieve similar
results.  If yes, then together we should make it happen.

The questions of which individuals and groups host, maintain, and
accept associated legal risk are secondary: many organizations share
our mission, some (like IA) quite eager to push the boundaries of the
law in ways that improve global access to information.

Sam

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Evacuation

[Pete Forsyth]

David, thanks for posting that link here.

Magnus, it looks like you've made (yet another) excellent tool, and
described the problem it aims to alleviate in an eloquent and accessible
way.

Great to see a step forward in this area!
Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David Gerard  wrote:

> Thank you, Magnus!
>
> (add wikimedia-l to cc)
>
>
> - d.
>
> On 3 July 2014 21:47, Magnus Manske  wrote:
> > An attempt to alleviate the tensions caused by file deletions on Commons:
> >
> > http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=218
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[John]

Ill be blunt here, Dispenser's existing tools do not need more than a few
hundred megabytes of space for storage. He however does have an idea for a
set of tools (or one super massive depending on your perspective) which is
a resource hog and will need a consult with WMF legal to OK it. Up until
today Dispenser failed to articulate what his idea was or what resources he
needed for his idea. I did some basic math and your looking at about 15
thousand dollars US as a starting point for the project. Dispenser falls
into the standard category of a programmer who doesnt work well with
non-programmers and sucks at writing specs/documentation.

However I spent some time with him and chiseled out a few things, have a
grasp on exactly what Dispenser wants to accomplish and the resources
necessary to do it. (probably upwards of 25-30k dollars) I wrote up a rough
outline and both shorter term and longer term goals of the project. I have
already forwarded it to Coren for review, feedback and comments. I suspect
something more official will be announced after a quick sanity check by the
legal team. At which point I suspect it will be thrown up for community
discussion, and legal will be doing a more in depth review behinds the
scene.

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 8:00 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> >  I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey) in
> return.
>
> How could the Foundation possibly not benefit from understanding
> contributors' opinions about general strategic goals for improving
> participation?
>
> I also want development of accuracy review. If there are any reasons
> that the Foundation would not benefit from that, the survey, or a
> reflinks cache which includes enough room to fit a category adjacency
> map in, then please bring them to my attention.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Pete Forsyth]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:20 AM, James Salsman  wrote:

> > throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of
> > storage for a project that has legal questionablity
>
> If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their
> inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the last five years
> of corporate press releases for your reference needs.


The issue here is not merely a legal one -- there's a philosophical/mission
question as well. Personally, I very much support the idea of doing
something, somewhere, to archive links used as references. But should that
be hosted (in a big way) on Wikimedia servers?

We recently had an extensive deliberation about whether to host non-free
content (in that case, video formats) on Wikimedia servers, and the
resulting decision was a strong consensus against doing so.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/MP4_Video

So at the very least, the contention that we should consider this project
(to host copyrighted content on Wikimedia servers) an *obvious* "yes" is
wrong. From what I'm seeing here, Marc's insistence on a more formal
proposal, and a deliberative process of some kind to evaluate it, is
absolutely correct.

Pete
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

>  I don't think it's a donation if you're getting something (a survey) in 
> return.

How could the Foundation possibly not benefit from understanding
contributors' opinions about general strategic goals for improving
participation?

I also want development of accuracy review. If there are any reasons
that the Foundation would not benefit from that, the survey, or a
reflinks cache which includes enough room to fit a category adjacency
map in, then please bring them to my attention.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Richard Symonds]

You say 'if only the Foundation matches my donation'... I don't want to
sound daft, but from a financial viewpoint, I don't think it's a donation
if you're getting something (a survey) in return.
On 4 Jul 2014 00:18, "James Salsman"  wrote:

> > [Calling] when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware [and] someone
> > dares to ask what you plan to do with it, once you get it for free ...
> > censorship is trolling
>
> I was not complaining about the question, I was sincerely complaining
> about the answer. We need Foundation staff with the capability to
> recognize the value of contributors' work without stalling them or
> giving them the runaround. We need to be as respectful of our
> colleagues' time as we expect them to be of ours.
>
> To prove my sincerity, I offer to pay the full cost of the 24 TB
> equipment and installation, reserving the right to pass the hat, if
> and only if the Foundation matches my donation by surveying
> contributors' opinions about new and existing strategic goals for
> improving participation and providing the headcount and resources to
> develop accuracy review:
>
> http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Develop_systems_for_accuracy_review
>
> Is that a fair deal?
>
> Best regards,
> James Salsman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] red cross

[Richard Symonds]

I think John Cummings might know a bit.
On 3 Jul 2014 23:27, "rupert THURNER"  wrote:

> hi,
>
> did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc?
> concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any
> topic interesting for a cooperation?
>
> rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Israel received the Roaring Lion Award for the Hebrew Wikipedia 10th anniversary PR

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Congratulations..

Many awards are known at Wikidata and, the "Roaring Lion Award" is now one
of them. Given that the Israeli chapter received this award, the item for
the chapter has been updated with this fact. Also added were its creation
date and the fact that it is a chapter.

It turns out that many chapters are not known on Wikidata.. Have a look [1]
if your chapter is known and maybe you want to create an item for your
chapter..
Thanks,
 GerardM

[1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=15924535


On 3 July 2014 17:55, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I'm very excited to share that last night, we received the award at an
> event presence with of hundreds of guests (Picture of the award:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roaring_Lion_2014_award_to_Wikimedia_Israel.jpg
> )
>
> The Roaring Lion competition is an award for excellence within Israel's
> communications and public relations industry awarded by the Israel Public
> Relations Associations. The campaign was chosen among many, judged by a
> committee of public relations executives, academics and public figures.
>
> Last July the Hebrew Wikipedia celebrated her 10th anniversary. The
> celebrations were followed by massive press coverage - TV radio, internet
> and print. You can give a look on some of them in our Press Book:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9iobJg3Vpp0bDdKaDExNmU2VEU/edit?usp=sharing
>
> The strategy was to show the volunteers – the people behind the projects,
> so each cover presented another volunteer. To show the power of Wikipedia
> we collected a lot of numbers such the most viewed articles of the last 5
> years, numbers of edits, words and many others – which leads to many items
> covering the history of HEWP.
>
> But besides arranging massive coverage for the celebrations we were
> looking for a special way to celebrate – to do something that has never
> been done before. The result was a unique collaboration with TV Channel 2,
> the most viewed channel in Israel! For an entire week, five of the most
> senior Channel 2 reporters, who learned to edit Wikipedia by our
> volunteers, wrote or extended an article on Hebrew Wikipedia. Then, each
> recorded a one minute video, explaining why they have decided to write on
> this specific topic. Every day, just before the evening news broadcast, the
> video was broadcasted and while the anchor presented the project, he
> explained "we wanted to celebrate Wikipedia’s 10th anniversary and show
> that everyone can write an article on Wikipedia. Happy Birthday Wikipedia!”
>
> Due the success of the project Channel 2 decided to broadcast it all over
> again on the week after. According to the ratings records 2.033 million
> people (cumulatively) watched the project. On the celebrations month pages
> views on Hebrew Wikipedia showed increase of 12% (compare to 1%
> internationally) and increase of 12% in new articles (compare to 14%
> internationally decrease).
>
> You can watch them the videos (translated to English) on our Youtube
> Channel:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

> Dispenser's tools appear to be migrated at:
> http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Main_Page

"This page was last modified on 24 July 2012 at 04:01 (UTC)"

https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/categorder.py/Category:All_articles_with_improper_non-free_content

is still down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dispenser/Toolserver_migration&diff=prev&oldid=615356734

My offer stands.

Sincerely,
James Salsman

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
> Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody
> else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that happen?

No, it is not, and Dispenser has explicitly stated that nobody was
allowed to run it.

In particular, someone already /had/ moved it (I am told about 30m of
work) but Dispenser requested it disabled.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Douglas Gardner]

> Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody
> else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that
happen?

I may be missing something, but Dispenser's tools appear to be migrated at:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/view/Main_Page

-- Douglas
[[User:Microchip08]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

> [Calling] when you ask for a huge chunk of hardware [and] someone
> dares to ask what you plan to do with it, once you get it for free ...
> censorship is trolling

I was not complaining about the question, I was sincerely complaining
about the answer. We need Foundation staff with the capability to
recognize the value of contributors' work without stalling them or
giving them the runaround. We need to be as respectful of our
colleagues' time as we expect them to be of ours.

To prove my sincerity, I offer to pay the full cost of the 24 TB
equipment and installation, reserving the right to pass the hat, if
and only if the Foundation matches my donation by surveying
contributors' opinions about new and existing strategic goals for
improving participation and providing the headcount and resources to
develop accuracy review:
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Develop_systems_for_accuracy_review

Is that a fair deal?

Best regards,
James Salsman

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Pete Forsyth]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>
> I was gobsmacked to find that the reflinks tool had not been carefully
> transitioned and no plan for it was in place,


Me too, to the extent I'm gobsmacked by anything these days. My students
love this tool, it's one of the primary things that help make the crucial
transition from "I'm a newbie" to "I can take care of my own needs as a
writer on Wikipedia."


> The way forward is clearly to identify the requirements for the
> specific tools. Hosting on WMFlabs can have any rules


It seemed to me that one of the legacy problems that was supposed to be
addressed by the transition from toolserver to WMFlabs was to ensure that
source code is freely licensed and available. So this leads me to a
question, maybe others in this discussion know the answer, but I don't:

Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody
else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that happen?

And if not, maybe we'd be better off if we found a way to build a
replacement tool under a FOSS license?

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Fæ]

On 3 July 2014 19:16, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
> That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current
> procedures. So..what's the problem?

Left hand not talking to the right hand I think.

I was gobsmacked to find that the reflinks tool had not been carefully
transitioned and no plan for it was in place, considering how much
time was available to discuss this. It is one of the more brilliant
tools for productive Wikipedians. I used to use it all the time and
without it will happily leave bare URLs in references as these used to
be handled rather well without wasting my volunteer time hacking
around filling in parameters of the template and my assumption is that
one way, or another, this sort of service will become available again.
The ball was definitely dropped on this one.

The way forward is clearly to identify the requirements for the
specific tools. Hosting on WMFlabs can have any rules that the WMF
thinks are sensible, but this is not the only way of hosting a tool if
the policies don't fit, especially if the intention is to get
something back up and working in an interim state, while people debate
its future in the background.

The concepts are not that complex that volunteers or paid developers
could not put together an open source alternative fairly quickly,
given sufficient motivation. A discussion that could have been had a
year ago with the user community.

Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Andrew Gray]

On 3 July 2014 18:49, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:

> Also, 24T is a significant chunk of the space available to Labs in
> general; storage is nowhere near as inexpensive in our context as would
> be with off-the-shelf customer-grade disks.  There's nothing that
> prevents us from allocating significant resources to a project that
> needs it (to wit: open street maps tile generator) but we're not going
> to do that site unseen and without supervision.

As an aside to this: even were you to do it with crappy consumer-grade
disks, you're still looking at the better part of a thousand dollars -
the cheapest price for a new off-the-shelf disk looks to be about
$35/tb, so perhaps eight hundred dollars or more. Presumably even for
crappy disks the costs of putting them in a box and plugging it in are
still there, too - call it a round thousand for the cheapest option.

I haven't been following this case, but I would think saying "let's
figure out what you want to do before we spend a thousand dollars on
it" would be an eminently reasonable position for Marc to take.

-- 
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  andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Magnus Manske]

And imagine what I could do with a space rocket and a nuclear reactor!
Wikipedia Mars mission!

ANYONE can run tools on Labs for free! It's just when you ask for a huge
chunk of hardware that someone dares to ask what you plan to do with it,
once you get it for free. Calling that censorship if trolling, pure and
simple. /me not feeding anymore


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:38 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> >... I am glad that there is at least some sanity checking
>
> On my happy planet, sanity means taking historical progress into
> account when telling people that they have to fill out a form and wait
> for committee review when making a reasonable request for an obvious
> need.
>
> There is so much more that the Foundation could accomplish. When will
> interest in responding to the requests from those who have proven they
> are able to make good use of resources overtake "defining scope," a
> euphemism for censorship, and building hierarchical fiefdoms?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

>... I am glad that there is at least some sanity checking

On my happy planet, sanity means taking historical progress into
account when telling people that they have to fill out a form and wait
for committee review when making a reasonable request for an obvious
need.

There is so much more that the Foundation could accomplish. When will
interest in responding to the requests from those who have proven they
are able to make good use of resources overtake "defining scope," a
euphemism for censorship, and building hierarchical fiefdoms?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Evacuation

[David Gerard]

Thank you, Magnus!

(add wikimedia-l to cc)


- d.

On 3 July 2014 21:47, Magnus Manske  wrote:
> An attempt to alleviate the tensions caused by file deletions on Commons:
>
> http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=218
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Magnus Manske]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:14 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

>
> Why does the Foundation need a proposal to do that? Where is that
> requirement documented?
>

I work in a research institute that has >20 Petabyte of spinning disk. If I
need 20TB of server-grade storage, I have to make a formal request, and
provide a rationale. And I work there.

I don't know on what happy planet you live where that much hardware grows
on trees so that it can be given out on a whim, but as someone who both has
a lot of tools running on Labs, and who gives money to WMF on a regular
basis, I am glad that there is at least some sanity checking for endeavours
of this size.

Cheers,
Magnus
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[Wikimedia-l] red cross

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

did anybody of you already have contact with the red cross or the icrc?
concerning wikipedia, offline, commons, maps, wikinews? would there be any
topic interesting for a cooperation?

rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

es.wiki creating user pages

> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 00:20:26 +0200
> From: nemow...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors
> 
> Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15:
> > What project(s) are you working on?
> 
> Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops.
> 
> Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Risker, 04/07/2014 00:15:
> What project(s) are you working on?

Bibliotecarios = es.wiki crat-sysops.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Risker]

What project(s) are you working on?

Risker


On 3 July 2014 18:12, Leigh Thelmadatter  wrote:

> I am, at this moment, trying to give a workshop on Wikipedia to professors
> and they are having their own user pages being speedily deleted by
>  Tarawa1943   and Taichi   We have sent polite messages to them and
> bibliotecarios (admins) but the deletions continue.  Suggestions
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

>... His demands for the storage are for a new version of
> the tool he is yet to write that is meant to actually cache
> the external link's webpages...likely to need Legal to look into

Just like any search engine keeps a reconstructable representation of
the indexed text. There is absolutely no question that there would be
any legal impediments involved.

> a request he has yet to actually make to WMF Engineering.

WMF Engineering staff has known about the need for weeks to months.

> he'd need to make a proposal with explanation and rationale
> before we would commit several thousand dollars of resources

How much exactly would it cost the Foundation to provide 24 TB on Tool Labs?

Why does the Foundation need a proposal to do that? Where is that
requirement documented?

Shouldn't someone of User:Dispenser's stature, track record, not to
mention the person-centuries he has already saved editors be given
sufficient resources to experiment with different software
architectures for addressing the kinds of problems he sees as
community needs? Why do we need to impose a new layer of bureaucracy
on that?

> That he has not in fact moved his existing tools to Tool Labs is unrelated to 
> this

Completely absurd. He owns his code, and since the Foundation has
demonstrated that they apparently have no interest in helping him
create expanded capabilities for it, he has every right to rescind his
permission for the Foundation to use his code.

> There's nothing that prevents us from allocating significant
> resources ... but we're not going to do that site unseen and
> without supervision.

So now developers have to fill out permission slips and obtain a
Foundation staff  supervisor? Where are these requirements documented?

The community needs to start publishing measurements of individual
Foundation employees by how much their decisions help or hinder the
editor community.

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[Wikimedia-l] Interference in workshop for professors

[Leigh Thelmadatter]

I am, at this moment, trying to give a workshop on Wikipedia to professors and 
they are having their own user pages being speedily deleted by  Tarawa1943   
and Taichi   We have sent polite messages to them and bibliotecarios (admins) 
but the deletions continue.  Suggestions

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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Monthly report of activities in Belgium: June

[Romaine Wiki]

(Translations of this report are also available in Dutch

and French

.)


This is a summary of the activities in Belgium in the month May 2014 and
some upcoming activities.
News

The Affiliation Committee recommended the WMF Board to approve our chapter.
Read more at: meta:Affiliations Committee/Resolutions/Wikimedia Belgium -
June 2014

.
Pro-iBiosphere final event Meise
 
 
Bouchout Castle 

At 11 June Daniel Mietchen
 gave a presentation
about Wikipedia and Wikimedia at the pro-iBiosphere Final Event in Meise
, near Brussels. The event was held in
the Bouchout Castle  which
houses the Botanic Garden Meise
.

At the event the Bouchout Declaration on Open Access to Biodiversity data
was launched, signed by over 50 institutions and organizations.[1]


   - The Bouchout Declaration for Open Biodiversity Knowledge Management
   

 [image: Open]  The
purpose of the Bouchout Declaration is to help make digital data about our
biodiversity openly available. It offers members of the biodiversity
community a way to demonstrate their commitment to open science.
*— http://bouchoutdeclaration.org/ *
 [image: Close] 

*Related links*

   - Page about the Wikimedia workshop at the Pro-iBiosphere final event
   

   - Presentation during the Wikimedia workshop on Wikipedia
   

   - Category with photos of the event
   

   - Mailing list announcement Wikimedia workshop at biodiversity event
   near Brussels in June
   , 13
   April


   -  [image: Pro-iBiosphere Event Meise Brussels, June 2014 (4).jpg]
   

-
   


   This Month in GLAM mentioned


Virtual collaboration in the Belgian federal government
 
 
The national monument of Belgium, the Atomium
, censored due a lack of FOP

At 17 June Romaine  gave a
presentation for the communicators and knowledge managers of various
federal government departments. The subject of the day was virtual
collaboration and Wikipedia is a good example of such collaboration. There
was especially attention to how users work together on a wiki. This
included:

   - procedures and how differences in opinion are managed;
   - projects organized on a wiki and projects together with GLAMs and
   other organisations; and
   - the limitations users face, among:
  - *no* freedom of panorama
   (FOP) in Belgium;
  - government works are copyrighted and not in the public domain; and
  - the difficult position of orphan works
  .


   -
   


   Presentation for the communicators and knowledge managers of various
   federal government departments
-
   


   The Berlaymont building
    houses the
   headquarters of the European Commission
   , censored due a lack
   of FOP

Activities in surrounding countries: Lokal K

At 28 June Lokal K in Collogne was opened. The local K is the regional
meeting place of the Wikipedia community in Cologne and surrou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

[Isarra Yos]

On 03/07/14 18:16, Pine W wrote:

In the past, this mailing list has been used for discussions of staff
conduct, which I am not sure is the best idea when identifiable people are
involved. I suggest that a first line of approach would be to discuss the
matter civilly with the people directly involved including the employee and
other volunteers, and if that doesn't get results, then go to the
employees' supervisor.

WMF HR has told me in the past that they can also step in with situations
like this.

Pine


The problem is, in my experience the main problem has usually been that 
the people involved won't talk at all, at least in the case of the 
employees. And what are you supposed to say? Somehow I don't think "Hi, 
please remember that consensus is something you're supposed to follow" 
or "Hi, could you please do your job?" would help matters any.


Would tracking down their supervisors and hoping they know any more than 
the other folks do really be the best option? Personally I wouldn't even 
know where to start, and even then there's no guarantee they would 
listen. Email shows up from someone they've never heard of calling into 
question their people. Or better yet, email shows up from someone they 
understand that their people widely regard to be a troll. Might be 
difficult to keep an open mind at that point. (I've had this happen.)


Perhaps HR is the only way to go at that point? But even then, how do 
you bring that up?


-I

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

[Peter Southwood]

Oh, I though it said if you display positive expectations you are more likely 
to have positive outcomes.
Cheers,
Peter

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On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Peter Southwood  
wrote:
> Wonderful,
>  I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve 
> these problems, Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate.

This was neither constructive nor civilised. It shows that you have missed the 
point, either. It said you should stop treating people as inferior and foretell 
their failure. Unlike you just did.

g

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[John]

I'm in the process of working with Dispenser to get said proposal written
and the ball rolling. However this process will take some time

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Gregory Varnum 
wrote:

> That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current
> procedures. So..what's the problem?
>
> -greg aka varnent
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Marc A. Pelletier 
> wrote:
>
> > On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> > > Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> > > User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
> >
> > To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and
> > all his others) do not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have
> > had that storage to give him, even if it were possible). His demands for
> > the storage are for a new version of the tool he is yet to write that is
> > meant to actually cache the external link's webpages - a request he has
> > yet to actually make to WMF Engineering. He was never told no; he was
> > told (by me, inter alia) that he'd need to make a proposal with
> > explanation and rationale before we would commit several thousand
> > dollars of resources towards an unspecified, future project of his
> > (especially one that is likely to need Legal to look into).
> >
> > That he has not in fact moved his existing tools to Tool Labs is
> > unrelated to this; there is no technical impediment to him running his
> > tools in Labs today if he chooses to.
> >
> > Also, 24T is a significant chunk of the space available to Labs in
> > general; storage is nowhere near as inexpensive in our context as would
> > be with off-the-shelf customer-grade disks.  There's nothing that
> > prevents us from allocating significant resources to a project that
> > needs it (to wit: open street maps tile generator) but we're not going
> > to do that site unseen and without supervision.
> >
> > -- Marc
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Gregory Varnum]

That all seems logical, appropriate, and aligned with our current
procedures. So..what's the problem?

-greg aka varnent


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Marc A. Pelletier  wrote:

> On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> > Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> > User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
>
> To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and
> all his others) do not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have
> had that storage to give him, even if it were possible). His demands for
> the storage are for a new version of the tool he is yet to write that is
> meant to actually cache the external link's webpages - a request he has
> yet to actually make to WMF Engineering. He was never told no; he was
> told (by me, inter alia) that he'd need to make a proposal with
> explanation and rationale before we would commit several thousand
> dollars of resources towards an unspecified, future project of his
> (especially one that is likely to need Legal to look into).
>
> That he has not in fact moved his existing tools to Tool Labs is
> unrelated to this; there is no technical impediment to him running his
> tools in Labs today if he chooses to.
>
> Also, 24T is a significant chunk of the space available to Labs in
> general; storage is nowhere near as inexpensive in our context as would
> be with off-the-shelf customer-grade disks.  There's nothing that
> prevents us from allocating significant resources to a project that
> needs it (to wit: open street maps tile generator) but we're not going
> to do that site unseen and without supervision.
>
> -- Marc
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

[Pine W]

In the past, this mailing list has been used for discussions of staff
conduct, which I am not sure is the best idea when identifiable people are
involved. I suggest that a first line of approach would be to discuss the
matter civilly with the people directly involved including the employee and
other volunteers, and if that doesn't get results, then go to the
employees' supervisor.

WMF HR has told me in the past that they can also step in with situations
like this.

Pine


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> Hey, all. Bit of a question, here.
>
> Basically, how does "comment on the content, not the contributor" apply to
> staff and contractors? What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe staff
> have gone too far (besides create drama on a mailing list)?
>
>
> In many of our communities, we have a saying: "comment on the content, not
> the contributor". When working with others, this is quite useful, and
> something we definitely want to remember, because it reminds us to
> cooperate and find use for whatever content is good, and it also helps us
> to avoid making personal attacks and other generally unhelpful comments
> about the people involved that tend not to be relevant to the situation.
>
> Of course, this depends a great deal on the situation itself - this
> applies to an edit dispute or a bug report or an RfC about content or
> features or what have you, but what about when the contributor IS a
> relevant topic? In volunteer circles it generally boils down to a question
> - is the contributor causing more trouble than they're worth? If so, an
> appropriate committee or whatever can do something sanctiony, and the
> situation will be resolved for the time being.
>
> But what if it's not a volunteer? What if it's a staff developer who is
> consistently ignoring project consensus and needs, or a team that refuses
> to justify their decisions even in light of scrutiny, or a contractor hired
> to do something specific and community-facing who won't actually do it, and
> on top of that won't let volunteers do the needful either? With a
> volunteer, it's often a pretty simple matter to simply remove an individual
> or group from a topic or project, but with staff, the situation is a lot
> more complicated - not just because they're paid, but also because they
> have specific obligations and requirements, as well as the power and
> authority the position grants. Volunteers come and go, and answer to other
> volunteers. Staff are supposed to do things, and paid to be doing things,
> and answer to staff (and also the board and crap, but at the level I'm
> talking about it's basically just other staff).
>
> There's a very real disconnect here, and though community liaisons are
> supposed to be bridging that gap, this works far better on content projects
> than in development, where developers and designers and whatnot need to
> communicate with each other, no matter who they are, in order to get things
> done. And indeed, most staff here are pretty great about this and you can
> totally go right up to them and talk about their work and collaborate and
> what have you, but sometimes they aren't. And that's a problem.
>
> So what can we, as volunteers, do in such cases? What are our channels for
> bringing up issues with staff, so that we don't just wind up bringing it up
> somewhere completely inappropriate, where we really should be commenting on
> the content itself?
>
> -I
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[Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

[Isarra Yos]

Hey, all. Bit of a question, here.

Basically, how does "comment on the content, not the contributor" apply 
to staff and contractors? What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe 
staff have gone too far (besides create drama on a mailing list)?



In many of our communities, we have a saying: "comment on the content, 
not the contributor". When working with others, this is quite useful, 
and something we definitely want to remember, because it reminds us to 
cooperate and find use for whatever content is good, and it also helps 
us to avoid making personal attacks and other generally unhelpful 
comments about the people involved that tend not to be relevant to the 
situation.


Of course, this depends a great deal on the situation itself - this 
applies to an edit dispute or a bug report or an RfC about content or 
features or what have you, but what about when the contributor IS a 
relevant topic? In volunteer circles it generally boils down to a 
question - is the contributor causing more trouble than they're worth? 
If so, an appropriate committee or whatever can do something sanctiony, 
and the situation will be resolved for the time being.


But what if it's not a volunteer? What if it's a staff developer who is 
consistently ignoring project consensus and needs, or a team that 
refuses to justify their decisions even in light of scrutiny, or a 
contractor hired to do something specific and community-facing who won't 
actually do it, and on top of that won't let volunteers do the needful 
either? With a volunteer, it's often a pretty simple matter to simply 
remove an individual or group from a topic or project, but with staff, 
the situation is a lot more complicated - not just because they're paid, 
but also because they have specific obligations and requirements, as 
well as the power and authority the position grants. Volunteers come and 
go, and answer to other volunteers. Staff are supposed to do things, and 
paid to be doing things, and answer to staff (and also the board and 
crap, but at the level I'm talking about it's basically just other staff).


There's a very real disconnect here, and though community liaisons are 
supposed to be bridging that gap, this works far better on content 
projects than in development, where developers and designers and whatnot 
need to communicate with each other, no matter who they are, in order to 
get things done. And indeed, most staff here are pretty great about this 
and you can totally go right up to them and talk about their work and 
collaborate and what have you, but sometimes they aren't. And that's a 
problem.


So what can we, as volunteers, do in such cases? What are our channels 
for bringing up issues with staff, so that we don't just wind up 
bringing it up somewhere completely inappropriate, where we really 
should be commenting on the content itself?


-I

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Marc A. Pelletier]

On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote:
> Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?

To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and
all his others) do not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have
had that storage to give him, even if it were possible). His demands for
the storage are for a new version of the tool he is yet to write that is
meant to actually cache the external link's webpages - a request he has
yet to actually make to WMF Engineering. He was never told no; he was
told (by me, inter alia) that he'd need to make a proposal with
explanation and rationale before we would commit several thousand
dollars of resources towards an unspecified, future project of his
(especially one that is likely to need Legal to look into).

That he has not in fact moved his existing tools to Tool Labs is
unrelated to this; there is no technical impediment to him running his
tools in Labs today if he chooses to.

Also, 24T is a significant chunk of the space available to Labs in
general; storage is nowhere near as inexpensive in our context as would
be with off-the-shelf customer-grade disks.  There's nothing that
prevents us from allocating significant resources to a project that
needs it (to wit: open street maps tile generator) but we're not going
to do that site unseen and without supervision.

-- Marc


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF June 2014 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, July 3, 18:00 UTC

[Praveena Maharaj]

REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes.



On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Praveena Maharaj 
wrote:


> Dear all,
> The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday,
> July 3, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is
> #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast
> as a live YouTube stream.
>
> The current structure of the meeting is:
>
> * Welcoming recent hires
> * Update and Q&A with the Executive Director, if available
> * Review of key metrics including the monthly report card, but also
> specialized reports and analytic
> * Review of financials
> * Brief presentations on recent projects, with a focus on highest priority
> initiatives
>
> Please review
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings for
> further information about how to participate.
>
> We’ll post the video recording publicly after the meeting.
>
> *** *Due to preparation for Wikimania 2014
> , the August metrics
> meeting has been rescheduled to July 31, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT).
> We'll send a separate invitation one week prior to this date*. ***
>
> Thank you,
> Praveena
>
>
> --
> Praveena Maharaj
> Executive Assistant to the VP of Engineering & Product Development
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] FDC nominations - shortlist announced

[Bishakha Datta]

Dear all,

Many thanks to all those who nominated themselves for the four vacancies on
the FDC; we have an excellent slate of candidates.

The shortlist of candidates has been posted on meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Nominations#Update_from_the_Board_and_shortlist_of_candidates

In the coming week, the Board of Trustees will select four members to the
FDC from the interviewed shortlist. We will announce these appointments by
close of day UTC 11 July 2014.

Best
Bishakha and Patricio
Board liaisons, FDC
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Richard Symonds]

Probably something better suited for a technical mailing list. Not really
something we can help with on Wikimedia-l as very few of us have the
technical skills to know what's going on...

Richard Symonds
Wikimedia UK
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United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*


On 3 July 2014 13:20, James Salsman  wrote:

> > throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of
> > storage for a project that has legal questionablity
>
> If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their
> inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the last five years
> of corporate press releases for your reference needs.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

[Peter Gervai]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Peter Southwood
 wrote:
> Wonderful,
>  I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these 
> problems,
> Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate.

This was neither constructive nor civilised. It shows that you have
missed the point, either. It said you should stop treating people as
inferior and foretell their failure. Unlike you just did.

g

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

> throwing a tantrum because WMF won't give him 24TB of
> storage for a project that has legal questionablity

If society depended on lawyers for determining the parameters of their
inverted indices, you would all be using WAIS for the last five years
of corporate press releases for your reference needs.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[John]

Im mobile right now, do this will be short. He is throwing a tantrum
because WMF won't give him 24TB of storage for a project that has legal
questionablity. So he is using his existing tools as leverage aka hostages
to force the issue. I find that very bad behavior on his part

On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Strainu  wrote:

> 2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman  >:
> > Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> > User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
>
>
> Context please?
>
> Strainu
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Michael Peel]

On 3 Jul 2014, at 12:14, Strainu  wrote:

> 2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman :
>> Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
>> User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?
> 
> 
> Context please?

There's been a discussion of this topic going on at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions#Reflinks_is_dead

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

[Peter Southwood]

Wonderful,
 I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these 
problems, 
Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate.
Cheers,
Peter

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[mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Shlomi Fish
Sent: 03 July 2014 01:02 PM
To: Michael Maggs
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

Hi Michael,

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:16:58 +0100
Michael Maggs  wrote:

> Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the notice boards on 
> Commons, or who is subscribed to this mailing list, will be aware of a 
> huge, wide-ranging and unfocused set of disputes and ill-natured 
> arguments that have been raging for several months. The disputes are 
> becoming more and more intemperate, and the positions of some editors 
> more and more entrenched. While a few contributors have tried hard to 
> pull the community back to constructive discussion and have made 
> sensible suggestions, their comments have been drowned out in the noise.
> 
> We need to stop now and focus not on stating a re-stating positions, 
> but on making definite and constructive proposals for ways in which 
> these issues can be fixed. The discussion on this list has been 
> non-productive for some time, and I suggest that editors should drop 
> discussion there and should focus attention on the discussion on Commons:
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboa
> rd#Disputes_relating_to_URAA.2C_policy.2C_Israeli_images.2C_and_behavi
> our
> 
> Michael.

here's a piece of advice. After I ran into this article on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect

and the corresponding "Golem effect", it changed my life for the better.
Reading from it:

[ QUOTE ]
The Pygmalion effect, or Rosenthal effect, is the phenomenon whereby the 
greater the expectation placed upon people, the better they perform.[1] The 
effect is named after the Greek myth of Pygmalion.

A corollary of the Pygmalion effect is the golem effect, in which low 
expectations lead to a decrease in performance.[1] The Pygmalion effect and the 
golem effect are forms of self-fulfilling prophecy. People will take the belief 
they have of themselves and attribute traits of the belief with themselves and 
their work. This will lead them to perform closer to these expectations that 
they set for themselves. Within sociology, the effect is often cited with 
regard to education and social class.
[ / QUOTE ]

After reading this, I decided that I will have high expectations of improvement 
from *anyone* and any community, and will practise it. So maybe some people 
should try to apply it in this case as well.

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Heaven_%28film%29 .

Best regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[Strainu]

2014-07-03 14:12 GMT+03:00 James Salsman :
> Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
> User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs?


Context please?

Strainu

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[Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

[James Salsman]

Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give
User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? To me this just shouts "some of our
people are not yet in the top quintile of their fields." Seriously. If
you don't want to have to wait for REST transactions, it seems like a
completely reasonable amount of cache to me. I have yet to read a
comment about the magnitude with any indication that people have any
idea what kind of caching is needed across Cartesian products of even
a five dimensional reduction of category tree proximity.

On a related note, why does WP:BACKLOG still not have conflicts of
interest back on it? Was all of that Terms of Service amendment only
for show?

Can the Foundation please hire an information theoretician familiar
with the hyperbolic space embedding of splay trees?

Best regards,
James Salsman

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Michael,

On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:16:58 +0100
Michael Maggs  wrote:

> Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the notice boards on Commons, or
> who is subscribed to this mailing list, will be aware of a huge, wide-ranging
> and unfocused set of disputes and ill-natured arguments that have been raging
> for several months. The disputes are becoming more and more intemperate, and
> the positions of some editors more and more entrenched. While a few
> contributors have tried hard to pull the community back to constructive
> discussion and have made sensible suggestions, their comments have been
> drowned out in the noise.
> 
> We need to stop now and focus not on stating a re-stating positions, but on
> making definite and constructive proposals for ways in which these issues can
> be fixed. The discussion on this list has been non-productive for some time,
> and I suggest that editors should drop discussion there and should focus
> attention on the discussion on Commons:
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Disputes_relating_to_URAA.2C_policy.2C_Israeli_images.2C_and_behaviour
> 
> Michael.

here's a piece of advice. After I ran into this article on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect

and the corresponding "Golem effect", it changed my life for the better.
Reading from it:

[ QUOTE ] 
The Pygmalion effect, or Rosenthal effect, is the phenomenon whereby the
greater the expectation placed upon people, the better they perform.[1] The
effect is named after the Greek myth of Pygmalion.

A corollary of the Pygmalion effect is the golem effect, in which low
expectations lead to a decrease in performance.[1] The Pygmalion effect and the
golem effect are forms of self-fulfilling prophecy. People will take the belief
they have of themselves and attribute traits of the belief with themselves and
their work. This will lead them to perform closer to these expectations that
they set for themselves. Within sociology, the effect is often cited with
regard to education and social class.
[ / QUOTE ]

After reading this, I decided that I will have high expectations of
improvement from *anyone* and any community, and will practise it. So maybe
some people should try to apply it in this case as well.

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Heaven_%28film%29 .

Best regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Internet's Own Boy: Aaron Swartz

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Jake [and all],

On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:04:57 -0700
Jake Orlowitz  wrote:

> The Aaron Swartz Documentary was released this weekend.  I don't know what
> quite to say except that you should watch it, and it's free (cause it's
> CC-licensed).
> 
> Watch on youtube:
> 
> 
> Watch on internet archive: <
> https://archive.org/details/TheInternetsOwnBoyTheStoryOfAaronSwartz>
> 
> Purchase from Takepart.com:
> 
> 

Thanks for the recommendation - I'll consider watching it.

> I don't know what the family or filmmaker would want in contributions, but
> I know two organizations that would benefit from donations, now as much as
> ever:
> 
> DemandProgress:
> 
> 
> Electronic Frontier Foundation:
> 
> 

Does the EFF really need more money? I remember paying relatively generously
for all the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Bundle s which raised 10s of
millions of money for the EFF. I think many other charities (including the
Wikimedia foundation) don't have a shortage of money either, but they do have
shortage of people's (paid or volunteer) *time*.

Like I note here -
http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/#laziness_vs_productivity
- most people think of laziness vs. productivity backward, because a really
productive person has a lot of free time, while a person without free time is
underproductive and lazy. This page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Michelle_Gellar&oldid=615139001#Interests_and_activities

notes that:

[QUOTE]
Gellar is an active advocate for various charities, including breast cancer
research, Project Angel Food, Habitat for Humanity, and CARE. Of her charitable
pursuits, she says, "I started because my mother taught me a long time ago that
even when you have nothing, there's ways to give back. And what you get in
return for that is tenfold. But it was always hard because I couldn't do a lot.
I couldn't do much more than just donate money when I was on the show because
there wasn't time. And now that I have the time, it's amazing."
[/QUOTE]

At the moment, I have a lot of time, but am not self-sustaining and will accept
offers or one-time donations for support:
http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/donate/ , and am also contemplating such future
ventures such as Stand-up philosophy:
https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/GUpTuA6641x .

Government law makers and bureaucrats who prevent really productive
individuals, organisations and even - corporations from "getting shit done" are
the ultimate in laziness, time wasting, and value destruction, and our
civilisation can prosper incredibly if we simplify the laws, depend more on
computers to do the dirty work for us, and rethink the various
"moral" or "ethical" fashions that we have.

Stay cool and smashing and become even more so.

Regards,

-- Shlomi Fish ("Rindolf").

P.S: if you have a problem with my post, please write it to the list or as a
last resort to me in private. See the story of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamsa_and_Bar_Kamsa for why an appeal to
authority is antisocial and destructive. If you have a problem with me, tell me
about it and I'll try to improve.

-- 
-
Shlomi Fish   http://www.shlomifish.org/
First stop for Perl beginners - http://perl-begin.org/

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