Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Dec 1, 2014 8:26 AM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 12/1/14, 7:11 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: There are some items -- abused or not for marketing purposes of the entities used for achieving interests of their shareholders -- which belong to the corpus of common good. Like air and free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 26, 2014 11:21 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ sincerely, Kim This is obviously not the first time this comes up, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Tim Starling
On 01/12/14 15:24, svetlana wrote: Wikipedia is naturally slow and expensive for many ISPs, because we don't use a big CDN. Why don't we? Is it one of the expensive for us, cheap for users things? That may be part of it. Also, we have unusual technical requirements for freshness of content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread David Gerard
Wikipedia begging for donations per usual. Advertising isn't evil they say as they throw a second nag at me as I scroll down. https://twitter.com/enemyplayer/status/539180814739988481 Obnoxious banners *really do damage the brand*. What are the fundraiser metrics? If they don't include effect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-01 Thread Richard Symonds
Lincolnshire Poacher isn't just a cheese OR a pig... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_Poacher_(numbers_station) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Let's recruit tech volunteers in your country via GSoC / OPW

2014-12-01 Thread Quim Gil
On the topic of increasing diversity, a tech task that can be driven by non-tech Wikimedians as well. Wikimedia is planning to participate in Google Summer of Code 2015 and the simultaneous FOSS Outreach Program for Women round 10. We want to increase geographical diversity among candidates by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We do have the experience needed. We have servers in Amsterdam and, it is something we can repeat. When the desires of our ops team negatively affect the performance of our users, they have to reconsider what they are thinking. Imho that is not an acceptable argument. Thanks, GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

2014-12-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tim Landscheidt, 01/12/2014 04:22: Also, I'm no expert on EU regulations, but I do observe that according to the European Payments Council, it seems payees receiving SEPA credit transfers are advised to communicate the IBAN only where necessary:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This comparison is quite useful and got rather popular: «For all the arcana in telecommunications law, there is a really simple way of thinking of the debate over net neutrality: Is access to the Internet more like access to electricity, or more like cable television service?».

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-12-01 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Isn't a chapter allowed to run its own banner at the local Wikipedia pointing to the its donnation procedure, I guess adequated to the local legislation? I guess a sitenotice is not as efficient as the fancy and well planned WMF banner, but that could be a start. 2014-11-28 9:29 GMT-02:00

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Mike Godwin
Tim Landscheidt writes: I think on the contrary Wikipedia Zero illustrates nicely why net neutrality is so important: Wikipedia Zero favours solely Wikipedia (und sister projects), while contradicting or simply other opinions and resources bite the dust. I'm not following your reasoning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 December 2014 at 14:45, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Net neutrality as currently defined is an alluring concept because - as Westerners - we percieve its putative effect as make everything uniformly inexpensive to level the playing field for users and content providers.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Liam Wyatt
I'm finding this highly principled conversation fascinating to read - I'm genuinely learning a lot about the different arguments (both philosophical and practical) used to support or critique Wikipedia Zero. What a diverse and highly informed group of people this list contains! :-) From my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: From my Australian perspective, it's interesting because we've never had 'net neutrality' in the way that it is described in the US and, with appropriate competition and regulation this is not been a problem. e.g.: Net

[Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated' relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Gayle Karen Young
Hi folks, Hope those of you in the US have had a lovely holiday weekend. I'm getting caught up and it’s been interesting to read the discussion this article has prompted -- as this thread has made clear, there’s a lot to discuss, and people have passionate feelings about the issue. I'm learning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Yana Welinder
Hi all, As Gayle mentioned in her email, the article in the Washington Post did not represent an official position on net neutrality from the Wikimedia Foundation, or how we understand Wikipedia Zero. I wanted to provide some background that does. Wikipedia Zero is designed to empower people who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-01 Thread Peter Southwood
For CNIEL it is free publicity. Putting in for them trivial amount ensures that it happens. No-brainer. Nothing wrong with accepting their money as everyone gains from the deal. Win- win-win situation. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images

2014-12-01 Thread Kim Bruning
Hmmm, Is that the fourth or the fifth wiki you are now indeffed from ? ;-) (I was looking up your illustrious history while chatting with you, and I admit I lost count somewhere along the way :-P [*]) Checking up on the nl.wikipedia discussions you had, I do agree that the environment turned

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Issue on Dutch Wikipedia in relation to BLP violating images

2014-12-01 Thread Austin Hair
C'mon, Kim, you know better. Keep it on IRC. Austin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Organizational effectiveness tool (for Wikimedia organizations)

2014-12-01 Thread Anasuya Sengupta
tl;dr Request for Wikimedia organizations to take a survey on organizational effectiveness, that will help us understand and support each other better: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/OEQuestionnaire Dear friends and colleagues of the Wikimedia movement: The Wikimedia Foundation's Grantmaking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-01 Thread Chris Keating
CNIEL, are they the equivalent of the British Cheese Board? ;) On 1 Dec 2014 18:44, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, A quick update 7 days after launch (pun intended). We have reached 92% of our first goal. We're receiving huge supports and an amazing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Pierre-Yves Beaudouin writes: I'm the project leader of WikiCheese. KissKissBankBank Christophe writes: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f I had a dream like this last week, full of smoke and gorgons. Kudos à Pyb, Christophe and all: this looks delicious.

[Wikimedia-l] [offlist] Re: WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Tim Starling
On 01/12/14 23:11, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: This comparison is quite useful and got rather popular: «For all the arcana in telecommunications law, there is a really simple way of thinking of the debate over net neutrality: Is access to the Internet more like access to electricity, or more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread MZMcBride
Ori Livneh wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: The banners may be effective, but they're not aligned with Wikimedia's values. I wouldn't come out quite as strongly against these banners, but I share the underlying sentiment. What happened to we make the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread Lila Tretikov
All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. I know you want more insight into the trends: we will provide some of those in our upcoming reports and metrics and we will plan to shift to a quarterly cadence of a more specific metrics report that will include fundraising. Just to cover some basic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational effectiveness tool (for Wikimedia organizations)

2014-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I would assume that statistics are an important tool. There are many statistics I can think of off the top of my head that make sense in this context., WHERE ARE THEY... Given that this is a WMF initiative, why are the statistics not there.. You have the capability ! and the need is obvious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-01 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks Lila, most enlightening. And as always when it comes to WMFs fundraising efforts, most impressive work being done! And metrics in the new quarterly report will be much appreciated. Anders Lila Tretikov skrev den 2014-12-02 07:53: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. I know