Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread Andy Mabbett
[copy of my reply on the original list] I've considered it; and decided not to. For one thing, when a new user sees a diff, either via a link on a talk page, an article's history, a user's contributions, or their own watchlist they are exposed to Wikicode, and so need a basic understanding of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 July 2015 at 14:43, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I've been doing this in Israel for a while already. (In Hebrew! From right to left! Thanks to User:Mooeypoo [cced], she is awesome!) It's pretty successful. Yes, I recall a blog post explaining bidirectional and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, was happy to learn that we made progress. Now I learn that there is always another rationalisation why it is not good enough for me and for newbies. I am past the phase of it is not good enough for me and I stopped editing Wikipedia. Just a thought to reconsider assumptions. Thanks,

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread David Gerard
-- Forwarded message -- From: WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com Date: 30 July 2015 at 12:57 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons To: If anyone is still running outreach editathons to try and recruit new editors, you might

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Yes, I recall a blog post explaining bidirectional and mixed-script issues, and that basically VE would have to become the first mixed-script editor to be any good at all at handling this stuff :-) So, how usable is it for you mixing up RTL and LTR? Until summer 2013 it was totally unusable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread Arnau Duran
We (in Amical) always try to teach editing using the visual editor, it's much easier for newbies, especially for older (+40) people or non-techies. Obviously we also mention that other tab which leads to some weird code but we almost never dig into it, it's not necessary for them to know wikicode

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread Benoît Evellin
Hello Same experience in France: workshops/editathons are VE oriented, because VE is easier to grasp. We also introduce wikitext, but without details. We have experienced withshops with only wikitext or both technologies, but they were less successful than VE-only workshops (people are afraid of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against Harald Bischoff?

2015-07-30 Thread Hong, Yongmin
I would be interested to see the example of Flickr2Commons-uploaded images which marked license as CCLv3. AFAIK, all images I had to review had proper CCLv2 template, or it was... (one of the below) - Copyvio - Human error (mistake of user) - It was licensed under NC or ND in fact. I haven't been

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation report, April-June 2015

2015-07-30 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi all, please find the Wikimedia Foundation's report for the fourth quarter of the past fiscal year at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_Quarterly_Report,_FY_2014-15_Q4_(April-June).pdf . Quoting below the foreword by Terry: We are pleased to bring you the Wikimedia

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF July 2015 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, August 6, 18:00 UTC

2015-07-30 Thread Praveena Maharaj
Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net, and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. Each month at the metrics meeting, we will: *

[Wikimedia-l] Shared learning in our progress report

2015-07-30 Thread Nicole Ebber
Dear Wikimedia friends and partners, We have just published our FDC progress report for the first half of 2015. It’s a quite lengthy document, so I would like to highlight some shared learning for the Free Knowledge movement that we present in this report.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

2015-07-30 Thread Sam Klein
Strongly seconded. This makes copyedits and typo correction - the first step of editing - 15 seconds rather than 150. (It could be much faster still if the edit summary process weren't so elaborate :) just let anyone doubleclick to edit a single word, and autosave it as a minor edit without