Re: [Wikimedia-l] Réponse à Samuel Legoff, président de Wikimédia France / Answer to Samuel Legoff, president of Wikimedia France

[Thierry Coudray]

Hi,

Despite I've published my open letter to Samuel Legoff, chairman of
Wikimedia France on the English international mailing-list, I received
quite positive feedback from French members  or former members. See the
translation in English  of this open letter below.

I regret that Samuel did not allow formaly, as I asked him, any former or
current employee to freely speak with the Foundation auditors therefore to
release those concerned of any confidentiality clause they have signed. And
I found biased the way how the board has informed members last friday that
finally an Extraordinary General Meeting will be held on september  (they
could not avoid it as 25% of the members have requested it), given very few
informations to the members and still denied the deep crisis of Wikimedia
France.

For information, a first press article about the WMFr crisis have been
released on the website of L'Obs 
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/rue89/rue89-nos-vies-connectees/20170718.OBS2248/exclusions-menaces-budget-recale-c-est-la-crise-chez-wikimedia-france.html

Best regards

Thierry

-

Samuel

Those last weeks, former employees and members or former members of the
association, some I do not know, have contacted me to ask if I was aware of
the Wikimedia France current situation. They wanted to know my thoughts and
what could be done to handle the situation. Although it is gratifying to be
aknowledged, both for my skills and the work accomplished for WMFr, given
my sudden departure from Wikimedia France in December 2012, I intentionnaly
did'nt get involved nor communicated. First because I commited to this and,
for my part, I've strictly complied to this obligation. But more
importantly because I've turned the page of Wikimedia France. However I
must say it wasn't an easy task the year following my departure because what
happened to the excellent team of employees I had managed.

But several facts made me rethink the context. The latest developments of
what could unfortunately be called the WMFr affair or WMFrGate with the
revolt of many members facing Wikimedia France drift, the risk of a divorce
between French wikipedian community and Wikimedia France with the bad
feelings of some WP editors (for example, a call for a boycott, fortunately
not yet significant, for the next fundraising part of which supports
Wikimedia France) and while a national chapter is useful to support
Wikimedia projects. But above all, the risk that the Wikipedia in French
will be damaged when this affair will be released to the media. Your recent
and staggering e-mail convinced me to break my four year silence.

I do not know you well Samuel. You became active in the association shortly
before I left. But for the short time I did know of you, you seemed to me
as a calm and measured person. With your extensive professional experience
as a parliamentary assistant and now as a journalist, I thought that the
position of chairman would finally be fully assumed in a balanced and
united way. Recent in this position, you have inherited a degraded
situation left by your predecessors. You had the opportunity to fix it, to
decrease the pressure, to stop some of the association's current drifts and
to listen to the protestors. I know several of them, and who are far from
the band of trolls as they were awkwardly described by the association 's
vice-president. Many are involved and well recognized Wikipedians and some
of them initiated or strongly contributed to the recent WMFr's success
(Wikicheese, MOOC ..). I am therefore amazed by the violence of your
remarks, by what I perceive as a denial of reality, with a unique point of
view. You do not seem to realize the damage that this may cause to the
association but also to the French Wikipedia.

I go through quickly the paragrah that could concern me where you wrongly
state that  « *since 2013, when the employees management created many (but
classic) human and legal difficulties, which have been overcome since with
this decision* »  (ed. the appointment of Nathalie Martin as Executive
Director).  As Chairman, I hope you will get a similar experience that I
had as a Executive Director: a motivated team of employees, happy to work
for Wikimedia France (no staff turnover), appreciated by the Wikipedia
community and the Wikimedia volunteers and with a very efficient ratio
Results (Glam, education, fundraising ...) / Costs   (the wages were very
reasonable even probably a little low and for the rest I was very vigilant
on the use of donators money). So there were no human or legal problem
despite of your statement. But your remarks illustrate the gap that now
exists in the association since several members and former employees
associate the beginning of human and legal problems with this decision.

Your e-mail has been  forwarded and translated in English through the
Wikimedia international mailing-list by Chris Keating, a renowned English
wikimed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Samuel Klein]

Thank you kindly Édouard for sharing this update on all fronts.  I am so
terribly sorry to hear about the passing of Louise Merzeau.

Warm thoughts and regards. SJ

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Édouard Hue 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia community,
>
> Here are the latest news from Wikimedia France.
>
> First of all, we are devastated by the passing of our estimate trustee Mrs.
> Louise Merzeau on July 15th. Louise had been appointed by the Board in
> February with the ambition to learn and profit from her deep knowledge of
> and academic research on the commons. Sadly, the current problems of
> Wikimedia France did not give her the opportunity to get seriously involved
> with the movement before she passed away.
>
> This sad news reached us a few days after the resignation of Mr. Guillaume
> Goursat, treasurer, from the Board.
>
> The Board has appointed a new treasurer, Mr. Florian Pépellin, who already
> had a mandate from the Board for banking and financial matters. The
> executive team (chair, vice-chair and secretary) remains otherwise
> unchanged.
>
> The Board has also acknowledged the demand for a general assembly expressed
> by more than 25% of our members. This assembly will take place on September
> 9th and will be the opportunity for members to elect six new Board members
> to fill the vacant seats, and discuss current issues. The regular General
> Assembly where the certified and audited accounts are presented and voted
> will be held in October as usual. Six Board seats will also be renewed
> then.
>
> Wikimédia France will receive a site visit from the Wikimedia Foundation on
> the 25th and 26th of July.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Édouard, on behalf of the board of Wikimédia France
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[Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

[Asaf Bartov]

For transparency, note that Gerard Meijssen has been placed on moderation
through Aug 31st, 2017, for repeated thread hijacking.

As with all moderated users, respectful and on-topic messages by him would
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I have said before that we spend our money not equally over our audience.
Less than 50 % of our traffic is English Wikipedia and less than 40% of the
world population speak English well enough. Consequently we spend too much
on English.

It is stupid to suggest that we should defund our current projects that
primarily benefit English but we have the luxury to spend more on other
languages, cultures and audiences. There are plenty of pocket money
projects that will have a big impact on the smaller projects and will gain
us an insight on what we are missing in our sum of available knowledge. The
big thing is too leave the big project mentality behind us. Be bold,
experiment, learn from experiments and advertise the positive and negative
results. Regroup, think again and experiment again.

The question is do we dare to experiment leave some conventions behind us
that are ill fitting in other projects. Do we dare to spend more to achieve
more and ignore those "who know best".

When the outcome of this strategy thing is that we need to partner more,
consider what we have not considered then all the additional money has been
worth it.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 23 July 2017 at 19:01, Rogol Domedonfors  wrote:

> Gerard,
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:39 PM, you wrote:
>
> Arguably we do not spend enough, we could achieve more.
> >
>
> I would say that it is about spending money differently, not just more.
> However, here are some things that one could achieve for a modest $2.5M, as
> suggested in a thread on this list in January – considering the enormous
> surplus value accruing to the Foundation as a result of the work of the
> Community, any or all of these suggestions seem to be to be quite modest
> returns to the Community for that work.
>
> "Rogol"
>
> 1. Fully-paid bursaies to Wikimania 2017 for one person from each of the
> 250 largest projects;
> 2. Purchase one reference book or similar for the 30,000 most active
> content contributors;
> 3. Purchase a one-year JSTOR subscription for the 10,000 most active
> content contributors;
> 4. Local travel bursaries to Wikimedia meetups and conferences for 50,000
> members of the Community;
> 5. An office with ten staff paid for a year to resolve the requirements for
> improved tools from the Community Tech programme.
>
> One could imagine folding some of these into the endowment at 4% as
> follows:
> 1'. Funding for 10 Wikimania bursaries per year for ever;
> 2'. Funding for 1,000 books per year for ever;
> 3'. Funding for 400 JSTOR subscriptions per year for ever;
> 4'. Funding for local travel for 2,000 people per year for ever.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Gerard,

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 5:39 PM, you wrote:

Arguably we do not spend enough, we could achieve more.
>

I would say that it is about spending money differently, not just more.
However, here are some things that one could achieve for a modest $2.5M, as
suggested in a thread on this list in January – considering the enormous
surplus value accruing to the Foundation as a result of the work of the
Community, any or all of these suggestions seem to be to be quite modest
returns to the Community for that work.

"Rogol"

1. Fully-paid bursaies to Wikimania 2017 for one person from each of the
250 largest projects;
2. Purchase one reference book or similar for the 30,000 most active
content contributors;
3. Purchase a one-year JSTOR subscription for the 10,000 most active
content contributors;
4. Local travel bursaries to Wikimedia meetups and conferences for 50,000
members of the Community;
5. An office with ten staff paid for a year to resolve the requirements for
improved tools from the Community Tech programme.

One could imagine folding some of these into the endowment at 4% as follows:
1'. Funding for 10 Wikimania bursaries per year for ever;
2'. Funding for 1,000 books per year for ever;
3'. Funding for 400 JSTOR subscriptions per year for ever;
4'. Funding for local travel for 2,000 people per year for ever.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
With all due respect, when that is the reason to put yourself forward,
given that it is possible to provide a negative assessment in the past. You
will have mine. The board and its responsibility is not that narrow.

Arguably we do not spend enough, we could achieve more.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 23 July 2017 at 18:18, Rogol Domedonfors  wrote:

> Pine
>
> It is for the Board members, collectively and individually, to oversee the
> management and affairs of the Foundation.  You should ask them as Trustees
> to comment.  I myself have had little success in that direction, but
> perhaps you will do better.  However, the staff of the Foundation are
> answerable only to the Board, and the Board members as Trustees are
> answerable only to themselves.  If you are unable to obtain the assurances
> you need, then your only recourse is to put your name forward for
> nomination to the Board yourself.
>
> Good luck!
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Hi WMF folks,
> > I'm still waiting. The issue of financial transparency isn't going away,
> > and the silence here is getting to be a point of concern.
> > Pine
> >  Original message From: Pine W 
> > Date: 7/14/17  11:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates]
> > June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)
> > Hi WMF folks,
> >
> > I'm still waiting for a reply to this question.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > Having had time to reflect further on this matter, I'm having difficulty
> > with writing a comprehensive reply in a civil tone.
> >
> > Rather than try to address multiple topics at once, I'd like to start by
> > following up on a single topic. I'm hoping that this
> > will help to keep the conversation focused and civil.
> >
> > > Regarding costs, as has been previously stated by the Foundation and
> > Board, the Board approved a spending resolution
> > > last year for expenses related to the movement strategy of up to $2.5
> > million over Fiscal Year 2016-17 (July 2016 - June
> > > 2017) and Fiscal Year 2017-18 (July 2017 - June 2018).
> >
> > Thanks for providing the project budget number, which is a good place to
> > start. How much is the timeline extension projected
> > to cost, and from what source are the funds being drawn? I imagine that
> an
> > analysis of the cost of the extension was done
> > before the extension was authorized, and that a funding source was
> > identified. I hope that WMF can provide that information
> > and that only a few minutes of staff time will be necessary to publish
> it.
> >
> > I'm hoping that we can address this topic first, and then move on to
> other
> > issues that have come up.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> > I have stayed away from this thread for awhile with the hope that I can
> > approach it in a businesslike tone. I want to acknowledge those who have
> > posted previously. I have drafted a response to the email that Greg sent,
> > and out of respect for the holiday for US staff I'll wait until Wednesday
> > to send that response. This matter is important, but I don't want WMF
> staff
> > to feel like they need to think about this or respond to it during a
> > holiday weekend. There will be time enough for more discussion after the
> > holiday. I'm not trying to close off discussion, but I thought that I
> > should explain why I'm planning to wait a few days before responding to
> > staff.
> >
> > Pine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Pine

It is for the Board members, collectively and individually, to oversee the
management and affairs of the Foundation.  You should ask them as Trustees
to comment.  I myself have had little success in that direction, but
perhaps you will do better.  However, the staff of the Foundation are
answerable only to the Board, and the Board members as Trustees are
answerable only to themselves.  If you are unable to obtain the assurances
you need, then your only recourse is to put your name forward for
nomination to the Board yourself.

Good luck!

"Rogol"

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi WMF folks,
> I'm still waiting. The issue of financial transparency isn't going away,
> and the silence here is getting to be a point of concern.
> Pine
>  Original message From: Pine W 
> Date: 7/14/17  11:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates]
> June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)
> Hi WMF folks,
>
> I'm still waiting for a reply to this question.
>
> Pine
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> Having had time to reflect further on this matter, I'm having difficulty
> with writing a comprehensive reply in a civil tone.
>
> Rather than try to address multiple topics at once, I'd like to start by
> following up on a single topic. I'm hoping that this
> will help to keep the conversation focused and civil.
>
> > Regarding costs, as has been previously stated by the Foundation and
> Board, the Board approved a spending resolution
> > last year for expenses related to the movement strategy of up to $2.5
> million over Fiscal Year 2016-17 (July 2016 - June
> > 2017) and Fiscal Year 2017-18 (July 2017 - June 2018).
>
> Thanks for providing the project budget number, which is a good place to
> start. How much is the timeline extension projected
> to cost, and from what source are the funds being drawn? I imagine that an
> analysis of the cost of the extension was done
> before the extension was authorized, and that a funding source was
> identified. I hope that WMF can provide that information
> and that only a few minutes of staff time will be necessary to publish it.
>
> I'm hoping that we can address this topic first, and then move on to other
> issues that have come up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> I have stayed away from this thread for awhile with the hope that I can
> approach it in a businesslike tone. I want to acknowledge those who have
> posted previously. I have drafted a response to the email that Greg sent,
> and out of respect for the holiday for US staff I'll wait until Wednesday
> to send that response. This matter is important, but I don't want WMF staff
> to feel like they need to think about this or respond to it during a
> holiday weekend. There will be time enough for more discussion after the
> holiday. I'm not trying to close off discussion, but I thought that I
> should explain why I'm planning to wait a few days before responding to
> staff.
>
> Pine
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Édouard Hue]

Dear Wikimedia community,

Here are the latest news from Wikimedia France.

First of all, we are devastated by the passing of our estimate trustee Mrs.
Louise Merzeau on July 15th. Louise had been appointed by the Board in
February with the ambition to learn and profit from her deep knowledge of
and academic research on the commons. Sadly, the current problems of
Wikimedia France did not give her the opportunity to get seriously involved
with the movement before she passed away.

This sad news reached us a few days after the resignation of Mr. Guillaume
Goursat, treasurer, from the Board.

The Board has appointed a new treasurer, Mr. Florian Pépellin, who already
had a mandate from the Board for banking and financial matters. The
executive team (chair, vice-chair and secretary) remains otherwise
unchanged.

The Board has also acknowledged the demand for a general assembly expressed
by more than 25% of our members. This assembly will take place on September
9th and will be the opportunity for members to elect six new Board members
to fill the vacant seats, and discuss current issues. The regular General
Assembly where the certified and audited accounts are presented and voted
will be held in October as usual. Six Board seats will also be renewed then.

Wikimédia France will receive a site visit from the Wikimedia Foundation on
the 25th and 26th of July.

Best regards,

Édouard, on behalf of the board of Wikimédia France
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Winning photographs of Nepal

[Pierre-Selim]

Indeed, the winners pictures are marvelous!

2017-07-23 10:19 GMT+02:00 Nurunnaby Hasive :

> Wonderful. Congratulations Biplob!
>
>
> Hasive
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
> cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Love these photos, Biplap!  Thanks for sharing them with us.  I'm looking
> > forward to reading over the Rapid Grant report on how the program went
> > overall when it's ready.  : )
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Chris "Jethro" Schilling
> > I JethroBT (WMF) 
> > Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation
> > 
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Anna Stillwell <
> astillw...@wikimedia.org
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Beautiful.
> > > /a
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Edward Galvez 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > These are stunning. Thanks for sharing!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Tanweer Morshed <
> > wiki.tanw...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Biplab,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for sharing the winning photographs. Those are really
> amazing!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Tanweer
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Wn Cenjary khan <
> > wncenj...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello!  Cool Biplab Cool.  Drcenjary
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Biplab Anand <
> > biplaban...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > > On behalf of Wiki Loves Earth 2017 in Nepal team, I am glad to
> > > share
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > result of the competition. Our national jury carefully reviewed
> > the
> > > > > > > uploaded photos and chose the top 10 photos from total
> uplaoded-
> > > > 4,179
> > > > > > > photos. The top 10 photos
> > > > > > > made to the international competition of Wiki Loves Earth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here are all key metrics of the competition-
> > > > > > > Number of participants- 233[1]
> > > > > > > Number of photos uploaded- 4179[2]
> > > > > > > Uploaders registered after competition start- 184 (78%)
> > > > > > > Images used in Wikimedia projects- 871 (20.81%)[3]
> > > > > > > Quality images- 42[4]
> > > > > > > Featured images- 2
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please see the results and enjoy!-
> > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_
> > > > > > > 2017_in_Nepal/Winners
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiloves/country/Nepal
> > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > http://tools.wmflabs.org/ptools/uploadersincat.php?
> > > > > > > category=Images+from+Wiki+Loves+Earth+2017+in+Nepal
> > > > > > > 3. https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous.php
> > > > > > > 4.
> > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_
> > > > > > > 2017_in_Nepal/Valued_and_Quality_Images
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best
> > > > > > > Biplab
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Winning photographs of Nepal

[Nurunnaby Hasive]

Wonderful. Congratulations Biplob!


Hasive

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Chris "Jethro" Schilling <
cschill...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Love these photos, Biplap!  Thanks for sharing them with us.  I'm looking
> forward to reading over the Rapid Grant report on how the program went
> overall when it's ready.  : )
>
> Take care,
>
> Chris
>
> Chris "Jethro" Schilling
> I JethroBT (WMF) 
> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation
> 
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Anna Stillwell  >
> wrote:
>
> > Beautiful.
> > /a
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Edward Galvez 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > These are stunning. Thanks for sharing!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Tanweer Morshed <
> wiki.tanw...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Biplab,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for sharing the winning photographs. Those are really amazing!
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Tanweer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Wn Cenjary khan <
> wncenj...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello!  Cool Biplab Cool.  Drcenjary
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Biplab Anand <
> biplaban...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > On behalf of Wiki Loves Earth 2017 in Nepal team, I am glad to
> > share
> > > > the
> > > > > > result of the competition. Our national jury carefully reviewed
> the
> > > > > > uploaded photos and chose the top 10 photos from total uplaoded-
> > > 4,179
> > > > > > photos. The top 10 photos
> > > > > > made to the international competition of Wiki Loves Earth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are all key metrics of the competition-
> > > > > > Number of participants- 233[1]
> > > > > > Number of photos uploaded- 4179[2]
> > > > > > Uploaders registered after competition start- 184 (78%)
> > > > > > Images used in Wikimedia projects- 871 (20.81%)[3]
> > > > > > Quality images- 42[4]
> > > > > > Featured images- 2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please see the results and enjoy!-
> > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_
> > > > > > 2017_in_Nepal/Winners
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiloves/country/Nepal
> > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > http://tools.wmflabs.org/ptools/uploadersincat.php?
> > > > > > category=Images+from+Wiki+Loves+Earth+2017+in+Nepal
> > > > > > 3. https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous.php
> > > > > > 4.
> > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_
> > > > > > 2017_in_Nepal/Valued_and_Quality_Images
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement of the Scoring Platform team

[Rogol Domedonfors]

James

In the light of what you say, I expect that Aaron will have no problem with
being asked to follow his announcement on this list of "Democarizing axxess
to AI" by posting in the same location as the original announcment a
follow-up with a pointer to the plans and places for the community to be
able to engage with his team in this democratic enterprise.  It seems that
you yourself do not have this information, or if you do, that you do not
wish to share it with the rest of us here.

"Rogol"

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:46 AM, James Salsman  wrote:

> Rogol, you might want to look at the history of Aaron's talk pages and
> e.g. on Jimbotalk and various places on meta. He's been incredibly
> receptive to suggestions and ideas from the community, moreso than
> perhaps any other Foundation employee.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Rogol Domedonfors
>  wrote:
> > Aaron,
> >
> > You write of "Democratizing access to AI."   But it seems that what you
> > mean is publishing the results of your work more widely.  Do you have
> plan
> > to democratize in the sense of involving a wider range of people in the
> > decisions about how you work and what you work on – the wider Wikimedia
> > Community, for example – and if so, how will you engage with that wider
> > decision-making group?
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Aaron Halfaker  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey folks,
> >>
> >> This is a little overdue, but I wanted to work with comms to craft a
> blog
> >> post that would help us do a bit of outreach around the announcement of
> the
> >> team.  That just went live.
> >>
> >> See https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/07/19/scoring-platform-team/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement of the Scoring Platform team

[James Salsman]

Rogol, you might want to look at the history of Aaron's talk pages and
e.g. on Jimbotalk and various places on meta. He's been incredibly
receptive to suggestions and ideas from the community, moreso than
perhaps any other Foundation employee.


On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 12:59 AM, Rogol Domedonfors
 wrote:
> Aaron,
>
> You write of "Democratizing access to AI."   But it seems that what you
> mean is publishing the results of your work more widely.  Do you have plan
> to democratize in the sense of involving a wider range of people in the
> decisions about how you work and what you work on – the wider Wikimedia
> Community, for example – and if so, how will you engage with that wider
> decision-making group?
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Aaron Halfaker 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> This is a little overdue, but I wanted to work with comms to craft a blog
>> post that would help us do a bit of outreach around the announcement of the
>> team.  That just went live.
>>
>> See https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/07/19/scoring-platform-team/
>>
>> -Aaron
>> Principal research scientist
>> Lead of the Scoring Platform team
>> Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looks familiar?

[Comet styles]

if anything, wikimedia stole their idea :P

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