Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Yann Forget
2012/6/21 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com: Incidentally, a Commons copyright specialist is currently being banned for nominating admins' copyright violations for deletion, even though the vast majority of his deletions have always turned out to be correct ... the administrators are feeling

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Todd Allen
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Many images on Wikipedia have been taken without the subject's genuine consent.  So surely that isn't the issue. Many are transferred to Commons from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Well, first of all, why? Secondly, I'm not talking just about sexually explicit photos. Wikipedia has photos of people being or about to be [[behead]]ed, [[torture]]d, [[kidnap]]ped, [[assassination]]ed, etc. I checked, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Todd has certainly said on-wiki in the past that he would not see a problem in Wikipedia using a video of rape to illustrate an article on the topic, provided it were appropriately licensed and did not raise privacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 21.06.2012 21:55, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Todd Allentoddmal...@gmail.com wrote: This thread isn't about copyvios, and I don't want to get too far afield, but I think it does kind of show the thought process here sometimes. From my read of the discussions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2012 20:38, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Todd has certainly said on-wiki in the past that he would not see a problem in Wikipedia using a video of rape to illustrate an article on the topic, provided it were appropriately licensed and did not raise privacy concerns

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 21.06.2012 22:24, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Andreas Kolbejayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Todd has certainly said on-wiki in the past that he would not see a problem in Wikipedia using a video of rape to illustrate an article on the topic, provided it were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point me to any examples of real child abuse, sexual abuse or of child sexual abuse? On Wikipedia? On Commons? Anywhere? For child sexual abuse, I was referring mainly to the Virgin Killer image

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: But in practice, we do have photos of victims at articles such as [[Rape of Nanking]] and [[Holocaust]]. Some of those photos are extremely disturbing. That's because the articles are about extremely disturbing subjects.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 21.06.2012 22:51, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point me to any examples of real child abuse, sexual abuse or of child sexual abuse? On Wikipedia? On Commons? Anywhere? Do i really need to answer this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 22.06.2012 00:02, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 21.06.2012 22:51, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.comwrote: Can you point me to any examples of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: That was a highly theoretical scenario (and one you brought up for that reason, as I recall.) But in practice, we do have photos of victims at articles such as [[Rape of Nanking]] and [[Holocaust]]. Some of those photos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata opinion piece in The Atlantic

2012-06-22 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 04:46:50PM -0700, En Pine wrote: Here's an opinion piece, The Problem with Wikidata, by Mark Graham, who is a Research Fellow at the Oxford Internet Institute, which appears on The Atlantic's website. I'm not personally supporting or opposing his views but I found

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in education - for the young and the young at heart

2012-06-22 Thread Elly Koepf
Dear all, Dear activists for free knowledge in education, since we are new to this list: first a Hello to all of you! Throughout the last years Wikimedia Deutschland has gained a lot of experience in the educational field. Working in this sector, we had a lot of different programs and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Jussi, I'm not finding the post you are replying too, what's the context here? On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: The core problem here is that the Board is not alive and well. The Board of Trustees is dead in their shoes. What precisely are they

[Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-23 Thread Kim Bruning
According to: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120330/12402418305/why-missing-20th-century-books-is-even-worse-than-it-seems.shtml a lot of books have an uncertain copyright status, because the Copyright Office records have not been digitized yet. Is this true? Would offering to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-23 Thread John Vandenberg
There are scans of most of the relevant records, and the records for books are also transcribed by Project Gutenberg and searchable at a stanford uni website. See en.ws template PD-US-no-renewal. The scans need to be transcribed to increase accessibility. On Jun 24, 2012 3:50 AM, Kim Bruning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-24 Thread Eddie Erhart
Whoa, in 1958/59, only *seven *percent of the books and *eleven *percent of the journals were renewed? This may be obvious, but clarifying the copyright status of these works would be a huge benefit to editors looking for public domain image to illustrate Wikipedia articles... and that's not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-24 Thread Mark
While I'm also interested in looking into this, for *images* in particular I think it's quite difficult. They're often used in books and journals by permission of the photographer, so the fact that the book/journal's copyright wasn't renewed doesn't necessarily mean the photographs in the

[Wikimedia-l] FSF Blocked by MS Net nanny software

2012-06-24 Thread Kim Bruning
The FSF is not very pleased about being classified as a gambling site. http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/dear-microsoft-fsf.org-is-not-a-gambling-site sincerely, Kim Bruning -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

[Wikimedia-l] Travel Site

2012-06-24 Thread James Heilman
The proposal for the Wikimedia Movement to take on a travel site continues to develop. The site WikiVoyage www.wikivoyage.com at their last board meeting has agreed in principle to join a WMF run site. This will mean that the WM movement has the potential ability to bring two communities of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-24 Thread Risker
On 24 June 2012 18:22, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Date: 2012-07-18 Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office You are invited to a Wikimedia Foundation IRC Offfice Hours in Wednesday July 18, 2012 at 16:30 UTC (time zone information: http://hexm.de/j6). The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Site

2012-06-24 Thread Mike Dupont
the address is http://www.wikivoyage.org/ what is the difference to wikitravel.org? well it is in german and italian, and missing information on places that are in the wikitravel. For the würzburg article it seems pretty good at first glance it seems better

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Site

2012-06-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: The Board has been following the public discussion on Meta for the past month, and will have had time before Wikimania to follow any input resulting from this more public announcement of the proposal. No decision has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FSF Blocked by MS Net nanny software

2012-06-25 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
I didn't really mind it -- a fun reminder some people still live in the Micro$haft Winbl0ws 1990s. :) Michel On 25 June 2012 06:21, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: And this has what to do with the Wikimedia-l List? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FSF Blocked by MS Net nanny software

2012-06-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jun 25, 2012 5:22 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: And this has what to do with the Wikimedia-l List? FSF are a partner of ours, so I guess it is on topic. I found it interesting. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia founder's petition: Stop extradition of O'Dwyer

2012-06-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Evolution of political battles (this one on piracy). http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/richard-o-dwyer-my-petition This is currently first on http://www.guardian.co.uk/ (UK news but I've seen it

[Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Hi all, I ran some analysis last week, to get some numbers out of the Wikipedia language links. One type of reports that were generated was the list of all articles in the main namespaces of the Wikipedias that link to more than one article in another language edition of Wikipedia (so called

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Denny, This is a really interesting list. Looking at the Hungarian list, I find that in many instances the duplicate interwiki link is actually commented out (in the form of !-- Source: [[en: something]] -- or !-- wrong interwikis: [[en: ..] [[fr: ..]] --), and not real duplicate links. (In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi Denny, TL;DR: It's a very important question, but don't worry about it too much. Just do Wikidata well as it is currently planned. Now, the full reply. I wrote a bit of an essay about it in 2008: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tips_for_resolving_interwiki_conflicts I also started a page to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Delirium
Thanks for this list. For the languages I know, I've started going through and fixing ones that are clearly wrong. If a number of people do that, that should improve the general quality/consistency of interwiki links. I second the other comment that it'd be nice if the parsing could be re-run

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, So may I guess that double links are usually the result of a Wikipedian who was not sure which language link to set, so in doubt, he simply put in the language links for two different articles? And in general, is it imagineable that different languages divide the knowledge in different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-25 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading out the times during which office hours would be hosted. Instead of increased diversity in times, it seems ALL office hours are now being scheduled during

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-25 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
Hi Pine, Reviving this thread because it looks like your questions haven't been answered... On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:26 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Erik, Thanks for replying. Let me make sure that I understand. The graph at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-25 Thread Risker
On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading out the times during which office hours would be hosted. Instead of increased

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-25 Thread Sue Gardner
I think the top slot in the poll I took was Saturdays, either 11AM to noon SF time (6PM-7PM UTC, going from memory) or noon to one SF time (7PM-8PM UTC). I am totally fine with either of those times, and so I will volunteer to do my next office hours in one of those slots. Normally I'm scheduled

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 26 -- 25 June 2012

2012-06-26 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Op-ed: A call for editorial input in developing new Creative Commons licensing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-06-25/Op-ed News and notes: Mystical Picture of the Year; run-up to Wikimania DC; RfA reform 2012

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/6/26 Risker risker...@gmail.com: On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading out the times during which office hours would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Ziko, it does not jeopardize the Wikidata goal -- the current language link system won't be switched off, but can be further used. Everything that is working currently will still be possible afterwards. Wikidata can still be used to represent the 99.2% of language links that are simple -- this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Amir, thank you for the thoughtful reply! Indeed our current plan is a kind of a staged deployment in the sense that we will not automatically transfer the links but let the editor community do it. On our test systems we already see bots being tried out and rewritten, so we expect that as soon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin Hackathon. It sounds much higher than what my (very scientifically relevant, obviously) gut feeling tells me. Could you indicate where this number is coming from? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I got the number from Brent Hecht, a researcher at Northwestern, who has a number of great papers published on Wikipedia-related topics. CC-ing him, so he knows I am blam.., er, referencing him :) Cheers, Denny 2012/6/26 Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com: This number, 99.2% was also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-26 Thread Risker
On 26 June 2012 07:47, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: 2012/6/26 Risker risker...@gmail.com: On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Deryck Chan
One major problem with double language links I've encountered before was that they confuse interwiki bots and therefore break things. Several articles on the Cantonese Wikipedia (zh-yue.wp) pertaining to local political and cultural issues in the Cantonese-speaking world have __NOBOT__ on them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing advertizement and sponsorship highlighted for all too see. I've always

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread geni
On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V]]. Actually for the most part I just feel sorry for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:41:04PM +0100, geni wrote: On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but doh, that is not the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, the ones putting pressure on TV Tropes, and who made them take the pages down, are Google. That is the same Google who are a major financial contributor to Wikimedia. True. But if Google told WMF Change

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-26 Thread ENWP Pine
Maryana, thank you. For anyone else who's following this, my understanding that the wikistats fixes are complete, including http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors_target and http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors. Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization itself. The WMF, for example, is not neutral on the question of whether or not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization itself. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning neutrality. You might say it was done for great reasons, and that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Brent Hecht
Hi All, Brent Hecht here :-) This has been a really interesting discussion, and I wanted to chime in with a few notes. The 99.2% is based on a quick script I wrote that looked at reciprocity among a sample of interlanguage links (ILLs) in 25 languages to address some questions that Denny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread MZMcBride
Kim Bruning wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but doh,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread geni
On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps so. :)) (But clearly, so have you.) The difference being that I've been following Wikipedia criticism for much longer to the point where I can just view it as a rather repetitive soap opera. I was actually thinking of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread Tim Starling
On 27/06/12 06:46, Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. Actually, the SOPA blackout notice was developed and deployed by WMF staff.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Actually, the SOPA blackout notice was developed and deployed by WMF staff. Point of clarification: Developed and deployed, yes - but at the request of the English Wikipedia community, in the form of the RFC that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread David Richfield
This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a long time. Almost all of these tropes are untouched: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes - it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue because they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread David Richfield
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote: This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a long time.  Almost all of these tropes are untouched:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 June 2012 16:30, David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, they moved fast!  I read the blog post and then went to check, and found the supposedly deleted articles up, less than a full day after the original mailing list email, so I assumed there had to be some mistake.  How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Further to Jimbo's championing O'Dwyer, here is the court document from O'Dwyer's January extradition trial: [snip] It looks like these – rather than NPOV – are the values that Wikipedia has been co-opted to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 27 June 2012 at 17:56, Nathan wrote: Jimmy is not Wikipedia. What about that is hard to understand? The whole point about deliberate obfuscation is that it's supposed to blur that line. ;-) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Jimmy is not Wikipedia. What about that is hard to understand? I would have agreed with you half a year ago. But Jimbo decided there would be a SOPA blackout, and a SOPA blackout was had. And every press article that mentions his campaign for O'Dwyer has the obligatory Wikipedia founder label.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Phil Nash
- Original Message - From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:48 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer Further to Jimbo's championing O'Dwyer, here is the court document from O'Dwyer's January

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 27 June 2012 at 18:05, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I would have agreed with you half a year ago. But Jimbo decided there would be a SOPA blackout, and a SOPA blackout was had. And every press article that mentions his campaign for O'Dwyer has the obligatory Wikipedia founder label.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Morton
Jimmy's platform is Wikipedia. The media struggle to seperate the two (note the connect back to SOPA in this case) Not that I agree entirely with Andreas. But certainly I think the community could have a view on this. Tom Morton On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:01, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Wednesday, 27 June 2012 at 18:05, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I would have agreed with you half a year ago. But Jimbo decided there would be a SOPA blackout, and a SOPA blackout was had. And every press article that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Input on new models

2012-06-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Dominic - A fair point; this shoudl be clarified explicitly in the description of AffCom work. The discussion in DC will touch on both, but is mostly about getting AffCom underway. SJ On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks mcdev...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 18:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: And hell, there really are two points of view about copyright, I understand you've not really studied the subject but there are far more than that. Let's just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Morton
On 27 June 2012 21:25, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 18:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: And hell, there really are two points of view about copyright, I understand you've not really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On the topic of Jimmy; Wikipedia is his calling card, it opens doors. I think he hasn't done enough in many situations to distance his own views from us; which is unfortunate. But not necessarily deliberate :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread geni
On 27 June 2012 21:25, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Let's just start with the notion that there might be more than just *one* view. ;) Why start there? Again I understand you haven't really studied copyright but quite a few wikipedians have. So everything from copyright maximalist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread geni
On 27 June 2012 22:05, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: attributed to the Wikipedia founder, then there really is no discernible difference between his view and Wikipedia's, or Google's. wikipedia doesn't really have views in the conventional sense. The amorphous blob that is the

[Wikimedia-l] Board visitors resolution passed

2012-06-27 Thread phoebe ayers
All, FYI The Board of Trustees passed a resolution extending and making permanent the Board Visitors visitors program, which we tried out for a one-year trial in 2011. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Board_Visitors_%282012%29 The language is the same as that in the resolution

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board visitors resolution passed

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
In what sense do these visitors have a one-year term when they are actually just attending one meeting? And why doesn't the board just allow anyone that wants to come along to observe their meetings? On 27 June 2012 23:58, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: All, FYI The Board of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board visitors resolution passed

2012-06-27 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: In what sense do these visitors have a one-year term when they are actually just attending one meeting? In the sense that someone could attend any of the meetings happening within that year, as agreed on by the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board visitors resolution passed

2012-06-27 Thread Michael Peel
On 28 Jun 2012, at 00:03, Thomas Dalton wrote: In what sense do these visitors have a one-year term when they are actually just attending one meeting? And why doesn't the board just allow anyone that wants to come along to observe their meetings? +1. Compare and contrast with WMUK board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: It would be interesting to see the community develop its own high profile media contacts so this view can be communicated to the world! If Jimmy can write this in The Guardian (a paper which really seems

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-27 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 27/06/2012 12:10 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruningk...@bruning.xs4all.nl  wrote: The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-28 Thread geni
On 28 June 2012 01:37, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Jay, what did Jimmy expect the press to report? None of you have been doing this since yesterday. Jimmy's very petition is signed Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia founder.

[Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Recently, the Wikimedia Foundation was approached by the founders of an organization called the Internet Defense League, which is soon to be launched. The founders would like the Foundation to join the League. However, the online community as a whole is the heart of this proposed grassroots

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-28 Thread Mike Dupont
well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples personal lives. I dont want to deal with stuff like that, mike On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Well you think i should delete them from the speedydeletion wikia?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 99, Issue 81

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Sieben
@Tobias O.: You are wrong, the day before yesterday RalfR. wrote, that only the winners will write history (Aber es stimmt schon, der Sieger schreibt die Geschichte, so falsch das auch sein mag

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Mike Dupont
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internet_Defense_League I wonder why it was not deleted yet. considering that established artists and doctors are speedily deleted, why not them? mike On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Internet Defense League --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Uhm, {{sofixit}}? ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Mike Dupont
Well I am not a deletionist, I am just pointing out that there is a very strange criteria for deletion on the wikipedia, that is why i started the speedydeletion.wikia.com mike On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Uhm, {{sofixit}}?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 June 2012 22:59, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I am not a deletionist, I am just pointing out that there is a very strange criteria for deletion on the wikipedia, that is why i started the speedydeletion.wikia.com The article has several references to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
Could we keep this thread on topic please ? Alex 2012/6/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com On 28 June 2012 22:59, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Well I am not a deletionist, I am just pointing out that there is a very strange criteria for deletion on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 June 2012 23:10, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com wrote: Could we keep this thread on topic please  ? The thread has no topic. It was just an announcement pointing to the RFC, all the discussion is taking place there. There's no harm in re-purposing this thread to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Dalton, 29/06/2012 00:32: On 28 June 2012 23:26, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should debate what is and isn't thread hijacking, and when it may or may not be appropriate. The weather today in London was wonderful. Also, this thread is a valuable example of what the

[Wikimedia-l] New email list for Wikimedia Midwest US

2012-06-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings, I am pleased to announce that the Midwest region of the United States now has our own email list! https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-us-mw - wikimedia-us...@lists.wikimedia.org. This discussion list allows for individuals in the Midwest US to discuss

[Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-06-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
Cross-posting. -greg Begin forwarded message: From: Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com Subject: New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers Date: 30 June, 2012 1:23:11 AM EDT To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings, Following discussions with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-07-01 Thread Kim Bruning
Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve TVTropes. sincerely, Kim Bruning On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 06:17:57PM +, Mike Dupont wrote: well i decided to delete them, and other articles dealing with peoples personal lives. I dont want to deal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-07-01 Thread Mike Dupont
well i can give you copies of the scripts, the articles are still on archive org, I dont want to host them, mike On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Better would be to keep those articles, and also (at some point) to preserve TVTropes. sincerely,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Peel
Hi Gregory, Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l? Thanks, Mike On 30 Jun 2012, at 06:49, Gregory Varnum wrote: Cross-posting. -greg Begin forwarded message: From: Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com Subject: New, lower

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