Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Devouard (gmail)]

Le 27/09/2018 à 10:00, Asaf Bartov a écrit :

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 4:07 PM Devouard (gmail) 
wrote:


I think it is a very good move.

Berlin conference has a big default, which is that, contrariwise to our
mouvement, it is not inclusive. This is a closed conference where only
specific people may go. That naturally let out a whole lot of people.
All those who do great things, but who are not representative of an
affiliate.



True.  But:



Berlin has become so big that increasingly, many decisions
are made over there, in a closed environment. And those who are not part
it are missing opportunities to weight in.



I have been to every Wikimedia Conference since 2009, and I disagree with
this characterization.  I am hard-pressed to think of *decisions* made at
WMCON.  I remember discussions, feedback-gathering (e.g. the recent
strategy work), but not *decisions*.  The only *decisions* I can think of
actually made at the Wikimedia Conference are either: 1. committee
decisions (e.g. AffCom), using the conference for a face-to-face meeting
and making the same kinds of decisions they otherwise make online, or 2.
decisions between a group of volunteers to collaborate on something (i.e.
individuals inspiring each other into undertaking a volunteer project, e.g.
WLM).

Characterizing this conference as a secretive decision-making cabal is
untrue and unfair, and may give people who've never been to it a very wrong
impression.

A.


1) I did not say it was MAJOR decisions. But yet... there are decisions 
made that do impact the way volunteer community works.


2) And I did not saying that those are constructed and planned 
situations resulting from a cabalistic underground activity.


The decisions are made simply because some people find themselves 
together and have the opportunity to make decisions.


Please do not put words in mouth that I did not say. I never said that 
this was planned nor secret nor twisted. It just happens because people 
are at the same time at the same place. Of course, when you put 350 
people together, most of them being part or a usergroup or committee or 
chapter, decisions will be made. The same happens in ANY wikimedia 
meeting. This is true of Wikimania, this is true of WikiIndaba or 
WikiCon. This is true of any event.


But Wikimedia Conference is nearly the only one which is a closed 
conference. There are a couple of other exceptions (such as some events 
related to gender).


I have no intent to create any public trouble here so will not provide 
an example on the list. Plus I do not think it is worth putting any 
light on this specific example.


But I am sending you a private email to give you a very simple and 
recent example.




Florence


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2019: New name, new concept, eligbility criteria

[Devouard (gmail)]

I think it is a very good move.

Berlin conference has a big default, which is that, contrariwise to our 
mouvement, it is not inclusive. This is a closed conference where only 
specific people may go. That naturally let out a whole lot of people. 
All those who do great things, but who are not representative of an 
affiliate. Berlin has become so big that increasingly, many decisions 
are made over there, in a closed environment. And those who are not part 
it are missing opportunities to weight in. And with the increasing 
number of affiliates, making this closed conference a central point for 
thinking, sharing, learning, is likely to create a *huge* monster very 
difficult to organise and very costly.


I hear you when you say "it was a great opportunity to share knowledge 
and train people". This is true. But there is no reason not to provide 
this opportunity in more venues or more regularly.


This move means we have more leverage to organize thematic-based or 
regional-based events, with open participation. We should make sure that 
all those events involve "learning" elements. And we need more support 
from WMF (other any affiliates) to organise the other events.


Florence


Le 25/09/2018 à 23:28, Shani Evenstein a écrit :

Dear Cornelius,

Could you please elaborate re the decision to not include learning and
capacity building?
Events where Wikimedians from around the world gather together do not
happen every day, and especially as there will be representatives from most
affiliates, this is a great opportunity to share knowledge and train people
so they can go back to their local communities and spread that knowledge.
Besides Wikimania, which not everyone can attend, this is the other biggest
event we have to do just that. Shouldn't we seize this opportunity,
considering that it takes so much time, effort and money to bring everyone
together?

Thanks for shedding some light on this issue.

Best,
Shani.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:


Dear Pine,

yes, "the organized part of the movement" is another term to describe the
part of the Wikimedia movement that includes the WMF, its committees and
the affiliates.

Best regards
Cornelius

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 at 22:23, Pine W  wrote:


Hello Daniela and Cornelius,

Thank you for this update.

Can you clarify what you mean by "The next conference will focus on the
Movement Strategy process and
movement governance for the organized part of the movement in general"?

Are

you referring to governance for the WMF and affiliates? Online Wikimedia
activities are organized in varying degrees, but many of those activities
are not included in the scope of affiliates or represented by affiliates.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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[Wikimedia-l] WikiFundi (was Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation and Kiwix partner to grow offline access to Wikipedia)

[Devouard (gmail)]

Hi Teemu

I would like to point out that the below statement is possibly slightly 
misleading. So please allow me to point out that in Anne sentence below:


"The WikiFundi team has been working on the product for a couple of 
years now, with support from WMF and the Orange Foundation."


the "WikiFundi team" is actually NOT Kiwix. The "editor" of WikiFundi is 
"Wiki in Africa" :)


And actually, the first version of WikiFundi was NOT based on Kiwix at 
all. Back then, I asked Emmanuel to actually work on WikiFundi V1, due 
to his experience, but the software was based on MediaWiki, not on Kiwix 
at all; also, at version 1 release, the Kiwix association did not exist 
yet... Emmanuel invoiced his time directly, as an individual.


However, for version 2, the Kiwix association was born, and we (Wiki in 
Africa) asked help from the Kiwix association to do the technical 
management. Aside from the tech management, the WikiFundi project 
directly benefit from various elements developped as part of the Kiwix 
project the past year.
In my perspective, we (Wiki in Africa) clearly benefit from a stronger 
and more reliable Kiwix association.



Teemu, you are right that we should never consider people from the 
offline world as merely readers, but should try as hard as we can to get 
them become writers.


This is why I conceived WikiFundi. When Isla and I were working with 
some new african wikipedians, or when working in schools and libraries 
over there, or when organizing edit-a-thons in cultural centers or 
museums, we run MANY times into the situation where the internet was 
down, or missing, or unstable. That was very frustrating. Hence the idea 
of having a plateform that could help bridge the gap between online and 
offline.


This is by no means a perfect solution, but a solution that help go into 
the right direction.


I invite you to read

* https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/03/10/digest-wiki-fundi/
Which was the blog published when we released WikiFundi V1

* https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/05/10/offline-access-wikipedia-wikifundi/
Which is an interview of myself by Anne a few months ago

* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiFundi_Generic_Poster-A2.jpg
This is a brand new poster, released at Wikimania Cape Town, showcasing 
WikiFundi


* 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_Africa_Schools_Subs_-_Final.webm
This is a video that outline some of the uses we have of WikiFundi 
(English, subtitled French)


* 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikiChallenge_poster-High_Resolution.jpg
This is a brand new poster, released at Wikimania Cape Town, which 
showcase one educational project we made with WikiFundi (in French)



There are ongoing discussions to set up asynchronized systems that would 
automatically collect (when possible...) content written offline to 
transfer them on an intermediary server, from which we could populate 
the online wikis. It sound super complicated I fear. But at the moment, 
our best shot is to *train* the future users and make it possible for 
them to write content collaboratively on offline plateforms.



Flo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

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Omg. What a ride 

Thank you for sharing that one Tomasz. I guess that since this one 
somewhat involves France, I somehow have a duty to use it in my talk :



Le 28/04/2018 à 16:28, Tomasz Ganicz a écrit :

If you are interested - an epic story from Poland:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Forks_CEE_Meeting_2017.pdf



2018-04-27 16:26 GMT+02:00 Devouard (gmail) :


Hi

I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news
and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I
already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases
or discussions will be welcome.

Thanks for your help.

Florence

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

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Le 27/04/2018 à 17:34, Amir E. Aharoni a écrit :

Try looking at the story of the "Daily Mail ban" in the English Wikipedia.
Daily Mail is not really fake news (it's just sensationalist, biased, and
not that useful), and the ban is not hermetic, but that is much closer to
the topic of fake news than hoaxes. The discussions around the "ban", and
how it is actually enacted (or not) may say something interesting about
Wikipedia's relationship with media.

Try to find other examples of such bans of bad sources. Some of them will
probably be true fake news sources. It will be especially cool if you can
find examples from different languages and not only English and French.

Looking at spam black lists and the talk pages associated with them may
also be very revealing. Despite the title, it's not just for spam in the
sense of repetitive digital advertising, but for all unwanted URLs. The
lists definitely have sites for pornography and white supremacy, and
although I can't recall an example (and I'm now writing from my phone and
can't check conveniently), they probably have a lot of fake news sites.

If you find anything interesting, please share it with us! :)


For sure :)

Flo




בתאריך יום ו׳, 27 באפר׳ 2018, 17:27, מאת Devouard (gmail) ‏<
fdevou...@gmail.com>:


Hi

I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news
and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I
already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting
cases or discussions will be welcome.

Thanks for your help.

Florence

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fake news

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Thanks for the first answers, both online and private.
(the WikiData one is good and the List of Hoax should come handy.
I also got an excellent suggestion with a recent research : 
http://wikiworkshop.org/2018/papers/wikiworkshop2018_paper_1.pdf)


Let me be more specific... I am in particular interested in cases where 
it involves systematic actions involving automated systems or very large 
(and rich) networks against which the community would have difficulties 
to deal with.


For example, the issue with BDB and binary options.

Flo

Le 27/04/2018 à 16:39, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :

Hi Florence,

this page might help:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia

It is of course very different to create a complete hoax on Wikipedia on a
topic which is heavily watched. It is much easier to create a hoax on an
obscure subject very few people know about, then it has a chance to stay
undiscovered for a long time.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Devouard (gmail) 
wrote:


Hi

I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news
and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I
already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases
or discussions will be welcome.

Thanks for your help.

Florence

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[Wikimedia-l] Fake news

[Devouard (gmail)]

Hi

I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news 
and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I 
already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting 
cases or discussions will be welcome.


Thanks for your help.

Florence

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does anyone know what wikimedia france are up to with the Request Network ?

[Devouard (gmail)]

Definitly confusing.

See also this : 
https://blog.request.network/request-network-project-update-april-27th-2018-partnership-with-wikimedia-woocommerce-plugin-c598372e9b58



Florence

Le 27/04/2018 à 15:49, geni a écrit :

According to their twitter feed they have announced a partnership with
something called the "Request Network‏" for cryptocurrency donations.
Also this article here

https://www.wikimedia.fr/2018/04/27/wikimedia-france-annonce-partenariat-fondation-request-network-accepter-donations-crypto-monnaies/

Ok. I don't approve but I'm not french so not its not an area where I
can reasonably expect anyone to pay any attention to my opinions.

What concerns me is that they have retweeted something claiming the
partnership is with the wikimedia foundation rather than just
wikimedia france:

https://twitter.com/wikimedia_fr?lang=en

Is some form of clarification possible?




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

[Devouard (gmail)]

My statement will be terribly boring, but +1 to Liam statement
*Awesome* appointment.

Florence

Le 01/12/2017 à 22:31, Liam Wyatt a écrit :

Fantastic Wikimania keynote, fascinating addition to the board, fabulous
addition to our community.

Welcome.


On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 at 22:28, Anna Stillwell 
wrote:


Welcome, Esra'a. Thank you for taking the time to serve. I look forward to
your contribution.
/a

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Christophe Henner 
wrote:


Hi everyone,

With the appointment of Raju to the Board of Trustees a couple of months
ago, we were left with a remaining open vacancy to fill. I am thrilled to
share that after several months of searching and discussions, we have

made

another important appointment. At our November Board Retreat, the Board
appointed and welcomed Esra’a Al Shafei to fill our vacant expert seat.

Esra'a is a prominent international human rights activist and social
entrepreneur. She founded and directs Majal, a nonprofit which utilizes
digital media to amplify under-reported and marginalized voices

throughout

the Middle East and North Africa. For those of you that heard her keynote
presentation at this year's Wikimania, I think you will agree she will

make

a very valuable addition to the Board and brings an important perspective
and skillset to the Board's efforts.

Below (and on the Wikimedia Blog) you will find the official announcement
about Esra’a Al Shafei. Please join me in warmly welcoming her to the
Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees and to the Wikimedia movement!

Christophe
Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of

Esra’a

may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the

privacy

and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any

photographs

or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting this
important safety consideration.


Press release

Header: Esra'a Al Shafei joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

Subheader: Bahraini human rights activist and social entrepreneur brings

to

the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees more than a decade of

experience

in applying creative solutions to challenges faced by underserved and
underrepresented communities.

Image: https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Esraa.png[a]

[b]

[c]

[d]


San Francisco, California, 1 December 2017 — The Wikimedia Foundation

today

announced the appointment of Esra'a Al Shafei, a prominent human rights
activist and a passionate defender of free expression, to the Wikimedia
Foundation Board of Trustees.

A native of Bahrain, Esra'a’s work aims to increase and protect free
speech, promote expression for youth and underrepresented voices, and
improve the lives of LGBTQ people in the Middle East and North Africa.

She

founded and directs Majal, a network of online platforms that
amplify under-reported and marginalized voices.

“Esra'a shares Wikimedia's foundational belief that shared knowledge can
facilitate shared understanding,” said Wikimedia Foundation Executive
Director, Katherine Maher. "Her achievements exemplify how intentional
community building can be a powerful tool for positive change, while
her passion
for beautiful and engaging user experiences will only elevate our work.

We

are so fortunate to have her perspective in support of our global

Wikimedia

communities."

Esra'a founded Majal in 2006 as Mideast Youth, at the time a series of
blogs bringing a voice to marginalized and underrepresented young
people across the Middle East. Today, the organization's team helps build
communities that celebrate, protect, and promote diversity and social
justice. Their endeavors include CrowdVoice.org, which curates

crowdsourced

media to contextualize social movements throughout the world; Mideast
Tunes, the largest web and mobile app showcasing underground musicians in
the Middle East and North Africa who use music as a tool for social

change;

and Ahwaa.org, an open discussion platform for Arab LGBTQ individuals

that

uses game mechanics to protect and engage its community.


“When I first encountered Wikipedia shortly after obtaining an internet
connection in the early 2000s, I felt that the true purpose of the

internet

was realized. With Wikipedia, I accessed research regarding persecuted
communities in my home country and the wider region: ethnic and religious
minorities whom we were discouraged from learning about, and whose
histories and beliefs were dictated to us from a singular government
perspective. Wikipe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for advises regarding a public conference about the Wikimedia movement on the topic "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits" [Fwd: Re: Conférence Wikipédia]

[Devouard (gmail)]

Le 07/11/2017 à 16:22, mathieu stumpf guntz a écrit :

Saluton ĉiuj,

Your fellow wikimedian was invited to present the Wikimedia movement in 
a conference organized by "Association des Masters en Économie de 
Strasbourg", which will occur Tuesday, November 28th, in Strasbourg (who 
would have guest?).


More information are below in French, but the main point is that the 
conference is entitled "Dissemination of Knowledge: What Limits", and 
after a call to better understand what was expected, the main point 
which will be presented:


1. How is structured the movement (relation between
    WMF/Chapters/Communities/Projects…)
2. What are the requirements of Wikipedia regarding information reliability
3. The different knowledge dissemination supports: what limits?

The main point, in term of coverage, will be the second.

No concern worries me about being able to cover all this topics in a way 
far more extensive than required for this conference. However, it would 
be appreciable if feedback was provided regarding what the community as 
a whole think important to highlight. More broadly any other advise that 
the topic or the main points might inspire to you would be warmly welcome.


Ĝis baldaŭ,
mathieu



Good evening

I think you should exercise more caution in forwarding entire private 
discussions (which include phone number etc.) by email to a public list.


Otherwise... by experience, students in France have been repeated over 
and over to be careful about their private information. Hence, you 
should anticipate and expect questions related to privacy on Wikimedia 
projects, and by extension, harassements issues (hot topic those days).


I invite you to take a look at : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2017/Programme/Fossé_des_genres_et_harcèlement:_le_point_sur_les_projets_francophones


Florence


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

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Le 04/08/2017 à 18:17, Gabriel Thullen a écrit :

What is important here is that trust has to be rebuilt between the chapter
members on one hand and the board & senior staff on the other hand.

The way I understand the situation is that the board has expelled a few
vocal opponents, a few board members have resigned, one staffer was fired
for refusing to censor a mailing list, some chapter members have had their
membership renewal refused, some known contributors are not able to join
the chapter, and there are now 25 new chapter members out of the blue. I
may be incorrect on one or two minor details, but I think that sums it up.


It far from sum-it-up.

There is also *very* disrespectful behavior from staff and management, 
including
* non respect of "friendly space policy" and comments directed to a very 
involved member with autistic traits such as "it is you who should adapt 
and you need to grow up to become an adult"
* paternalistic behavior toward volunteers such as "you still have not 
understood what I was saying. Let's meet face to face and I will explain 
to you *again* so that you *really* get it"

* legal threats toward volunteers who ask questions
* referring to members in a very belittling way : "tartempion" or "pigiste"
* refusal to acknowledge authorship of action from volunteers (such as 
"no author name in wiki newsletter")
* emails sent to board by members to "report issues" are immediately 
forwarded to the management, making it impossible to safely and 
confidentially discuss issues
* there has been cases of doxing by the management, using member private 
data
* set up of a black list of members that should not receive support by 
staff in spite of being members.


There is staff suffering, upon which it is difficult to comment 
publicly, but is made quite obvious by the fact several staff members 
joined and created a trade-union branch to be able to *defend* themselves.


There are multiple rumors reported by members of quite "generous" 
expenses reimbursement. Yet unclear due to non access to financial data.


There are questions related to management using the resources and image 
of the association, as well as WMF brand, to look for funding for a 
mysterious entity no one knows anything about. Yet unanswered.


There are questions related to using resources of the association to 
gain a elected position.


And a bunch of other things. Those would count as "one or two minor 
details".




The board says it has had two audits already, but I believe that they are
related to getting a certification - the IDEAS label - to help out with
fund raising. This is not a governance audit and they will not help us find
an issue to this crisis. (
http://ideas.asso.fr/fr/label/label-ideas-associations-fondations/)


Absolutely correct. Those were certifications (and done prior to most of 
our current issues). For example, a certification will check that there 
is a Conflict of Interest Policy in place. And yes there is one. So 
there is certification.


What good is a COI policy when people do not report COI or when the 
members of the committee do not have independance from those reporting 
COI... that is another story. And this is when a governance audit can help.


It may be that if WMF asks for a financial audit, only WMF will get the 
outcome.


Which is why we are currently voting so that the members get the RIGHT 
to vote to ASK for a financial audit during the next General Assembly.


But the amount of energy we have to spend to simply TRY to get answers 
is frankly just wrong.


Florence



I remain convinced that WMFR needs an independent governance audit, and the
results should be made available to the chapter members and to the staff.
Something drastic needs to be done so that this chapter can continue to
function. I also think that the members who have been expelled should be
allowed to rejoin the French chapter unconditionally. That is a goodwill
gesture that the current board can easily make and it will go a long way
towards finding a solution to this ridiculous situation.

The French press is starting to talk about what is going on at the French
Wikimedia chapter, are we all waiting for CNN to come in as well? For sure
that will get the WMF moving...

Best regards
Gabe

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:


Interesting but: "The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK..." exactly
who? Board, community, general assembly, group of members?

Kind regards


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Correct Ting


At the moment, we are still in the hopes of saving it.
I do not think losing the chapter agreement at the moment would be helpful.


Flo

Le 03/08/2017 à 13:30, Ting Chen a écrit :

Hello dear all,

at first I would object that the Foundation do such a thing, even as a 
denkexperiment. This may be seen as an easy way to react on a crisis but 
this opens doors for misuse of power. In a different situation, a 
different time, with a different WMF board and ED, this can open a door 
to do a lot of harm to the movement.


Second, @Florence and other WMFR members: If the chapter is really 
beyond repair, I think a better way is to create a new organization, 
join as a user group. This can lead in a few possible outcomes:


- The old chapter could struggle and lose further ground, lose funding, 
missing reports, etc. which at some time will also lead to lose of 
chapter status. The new user group, if it performs well, can then apply 
for the chapter status


- The old chapter can reform itself, regain its foot step, and come back 
in course.


The point is, you can be member of both the old and the new organization 
/ group, they don't exclude each other. With the new group you can also 
create pressure from outside to get the old chapter back in course.


I believe this is the more ordered way to get a better solution. It 
certainly is the longer and more difficult way. But the dark side of the 
force is always easier and quicker.


Greetings

Ting


Am 03.08.2017 um 13:10 schrieb James Salsman:

Can Katherine Maher as Foundation Executive Director decide and
announce a new policy that the continuation of the WMFR Charter is
contingent on the September General Assembly agenda including
particular items which they may not otherwise be inclined to agendas,
please?



On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Devouard (gmail)  
wrote:

The current situation at Wikimedia France is ABSOLUTE NON SENSE


After MONTHS spent trying to figure out what was going on, collecting 
data,

finding witnesses, fighting fears of being sued...
we succeeded to mobilize 25% of Wikimedia France members to vote to 
request

a General Assembly. That was a challenge. It took us several weeks to
achieve that.


Now... the General Assembly is scheduled 9th of September. But per 
bylawys,
the current board decides of the agenda of the meeting. Topics not on 
the
agenda can not lead to any votes... Being generous (sarcasm on), the 
current
board will open the floor for discussion AFTER the General Assembly. 
Which
somehow defeats the whole process as the discussion should occur 
BEFORE the
vote. Also, some of us would like some resolutions to be voted upon, 
such as

request of a financial audit...


According to our bylaws, discussion points and decisions propositions 
may be
made by the members and will be added to the agenda IF at least 25% 
of the
membership ask for them. And this should be approved one month before 
the

actual assembly. Which is just in a few days...


But to make things easier for us...
* some members memberships requests and renewals were rejected, thus
decreasing the number of potential voters. Of course, the memberships
rejected were from opponents to the current board... who would have 
voted

for the new agenda...
* in the same time (2 weeks...), the membership increased from 275 to 
300

members. No idea who those 25 new members are. But increased number of
members is making it even tougher to reach the 75 votes to request 
additions

to the agenda.
* the main mailing list of the association is still closed... which 
means we

can NOT reach out to ALL members. We have no means to contact them. I
managed to get a public list opened just a few days before the 
closure of
the internal mailing list and to send a call for registration. So the 
most
active members actually joined that public list and are within reach. 
But

all the other members... the ones who did not reach to that new public
list... we have NO MEANS to contact them.
How are we supposed to get members to be given the chance to vote on an
agenda when they do not KNOW about this agenda ? We can't tell them 
about

it.

How serious and honest from our current board is that ? This is beyond
shameful behavior.

So, friends, I would like to ask you help.


If by any chance, you joined the association in the past 2 weeks... 
please

vote.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l%27ordre_du_jour 




Please, do realy our call in your network.

If you know anyone who might by chance be a member of Wikimedia France,
please tell them about the vote. It is here :
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l%27ordre_du_jour 



Or RELAY in social networks. For example that tweet
https://twitter.com/photos_floues/status/892731233784008704

Or DROP A WORD to current board members and tell them about how wrong 
they

behave by 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Devouard (gmail)]

And for the sake of proper understanding... Rémi Mathis is the husband 
of the current vice-chair of Wikimedia France.


Nuff said.


Florence


Le 03/08/2017 à 12:17, Rémi Mathis a écrit :

Dear all,

As a member - and former chair - of Wikimedia France, this kind of message
really hurts my feelings and I still wonder why they can be posted on
international mailing lists.
We are supposed to act as responsible adults and work together so that the
chapters can manage projects... and I keep thinking we are pretty good at
it.

I don't want to read "shame", "false statement", "use Louise passing",
"uncollaborative way".
Both because it's a very agressive way to talk to human beings, because
it's misleading people about what's going on, and because it's simply not
true.

A few French wkipedians are not happy with the board and some of the
employees. They are about 25-30% of Wikimedia France members and asked for
a General Meeting - which will take place in September.
Some of their concerns can be understood, but some of those wikipedians
began to accuse the board of squandering money without any ground for it
(there have been two audits within the past few years and all the
accounts/expenses are audited yearly, published and commented to the
members), to go and see former employee's bosses to stalk them, to spread
rumours on their sexuality, to report members of the board to their own
boss etc. This is going mad. Really mad.

This is not "the community", Pierre-Selim, I'm sorry.
This is a few people, for various reasons, usualy very personal and very
bad ones. And those people refuse to acknowledge reality, even when the
board explains everything, even when lawyers explains what can and cannot
be done within a chapter.

I'm really worried about the behaviour of those people, and the future of
Wikimedia France - since the harassment could lead to prosecution from
employees.

Best,

Rémi











From: Pierre-Selim 
Date: 2 August 2017 at 20:09
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 


The passing of Louise is really sad :(

On the other fronts, Edouard it feels like you're not telling things the
way
they really are.

"The board acknowledge..." means the board has been forced to a new AGM by
25%
of the member. Our bylaws dictate that.

The board has published a shameful "Right of reply" [1], full of
inexact/false
statements that are on the same line than the email sent by the board
on July 11th (and shared here by Chris [2]).
This Right of reply even "use" Louise passing ... For shame!

In an uncollaborative way, the board has not listen to the community/member
for
the agenda which forces the members to a new vote [3] to add items to the
agenda
... during the summer ... and Wikimania.

I hope the board will have again to "Acknowlege" the voice of the
community,
but I wish we did not had to go this way.

I am truly ashamed of this board,

[1] https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/droitdereponse.html
[2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-July/
088008.html
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/
Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l'ordre_du_jour

2017-07-26 17:56 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter :


Yes, I figured this out, thanks. Now copyediting.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Natacha Rault  wrote:


probably me...

Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter  a

écrit

:


Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by

someone

I can not recognize from the username.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher <

kma...@wikimedia.org



wrote:


Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,

We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau.

While I

did

not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for

the

Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and

the

relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have

gotten

along well.

Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are

grateful

for

the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have

benefited

greatly from her continued advocacy.

I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us.

However,

I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who

have

come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion

and

bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or

challenges.

Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize

her

passing.

On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in

our

thoughts and that the community has our condolences.

Katherine

PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life

from

her

article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

[Devouard (gmail)]

The current situation at Wikimedia France is ABSOLUTE NON SENSE


After MONTHS spent trying to figure out what was going on, collecting 
data, finding witnesses, fighting fears of being sued...
we succeeded to mobilize 25% of Wikimedia France members to vote to 
request a General Assembly. That was a challenge. It took us several 
weeks to achieve that.



Now... the General Assembly is scheduled 9th of September. But per 
bylawys, the current board decides of the agenda of the meeting. Topics 
not on the agenda can not lead to any votes... Being generous (sarcasm 
on), the current board will open the floor for discussion AFTER the 
General Assembly. Which somehow defeats the whole process as the 
discussion should occur BEFORE the vote. Also, some of us would like 
some resolutions to be voted upon, such as request of a financial audit...



According to our bylaws, discussion points and decisions propositions 
may be made by the members and will be added to the agenda IF at least 
25% of the membership ask for them. And this should be approved one 
month before the actual assembly. Which is just in a few days...



But to make things easier for us...
* some members memberships requests and renewals were rejected, thus 
decreasing the number of potential voters. Of course, the memberships 
rejected were from opponents to the current board... who would have 
voted for the new agenda...
* in the same time (2 weeks...), the membership increased from 275 to 
300 members. No idea who those 25 new members are. But increased number 
of members is making it even tougher to reach the 75 votes to request 
additions to the agenda.
* the main mailing list of the association is still closed... which 
means we can NOT reach out to ALL members. We have no means to contact 
them. I managed to get a public list opened just a few days before the 
closure of the internal mailing list and to send a call for 
registration. So the most active members actually joined that public 
list and are within reach. But all the other members... the ones who did 
not reach to that new public list... we have NO MEANS to contact them.
How are we supposed to get members to be given the chance to vote on an 
agenda when they do not KNOW about this agenda ? We can't tell them 
about it.


How serious and honest from our current board is that ? This is beyond 
shameful behavior.


So, friends, I would like to ask you help.


If by any chance, you joined the association in the past 2 weeks... 
please vote. 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l%27ordre_du_jour



Please, do realy our call in your network.

If you know anyone who might by chance be a member of Wikimedia France, 
please tell them about the vote. It is here : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l%27ordre_du_jour


Or RELAY in social networks. For example that tweet
https://twitter.com/photos_floues/status/892731233784008704

Or DROP A WORD to current board members and tell them about how wrong 
they behave by not giving a chance to democracy
Something like "please inform all Wikimedia France members about the 
vote opened for the new agenda : "


The current board members
* Secretary : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:EdouardHue
* the President : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Authueil
* the vice President : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisatrice:AlienSpoon
* The treasurer : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Floflo
* and the former president who is now regular member: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:ShreCk



Thanks

Florence


Le 02/08/2017 à 20:09, Pierre-Selim a écrit :

The passing of Louise is really sad :(

On the other fronts, Edouard it feels like you're not telling things the way
they really are.

"The board acknowledge..." means the board has been forced to a new AGM by
25%
of the member. Our bylaws dictate that.

The board has published a shameful "Right of reply" [1], full of
inexact/false
statements that are on the same line than the email sent by the board
on July 11th (and shared here by Chris [2]).
This Right of reply even "use" Louise passing ... For shame!

In an uncollaborative way, the board has not listen to the community/member
for
the agenda which forces the members to a new vote [3] to add items to the
agenda
... during the summer ... and Wikimania.

I hope the board will have again to "Acknowlege" the voice of the
community,
but I wish we did not had to go this way.

I am truly ashamed of this board,

[1] https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/droitdereponse.html
[2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-July/088008.html
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/
Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l'ordre_du_jour

2017-07-26 17:56 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter :


Yes, I figured this out, thanks. Now copyediting.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Wed, J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost – Volume 13, Issue 6 – 15 July 2017

[Devouard (gmail)]

I second that.

Thank you !

Florence

Le 18/07/2017 à 08:32, Pine W a écrit :

I'd like to say "thank you" to the folks who contribute to the *Signpost*,
especially those who are trying to revive it with a very small number of
people filling multiple roles. I know that many hours of volunteer time go
into each issue, and I feel that the *Signpost *is a valuable community
institution.

Pine


On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Wikipedia Signpost <
wikipediasignp...@gmail.com> wrote:


News and notes: French chapter woes, new affiliates and more WMF team
changes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/News_and_notes

Featured content: Spectacular animals, Pine Trees screens, and more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Featured_content

In the media: Concern about access and fairness, Foundation expenditures,
and relationship to real-world politics and commerce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/In_the_media

Recent research: The chilling effect of surveillance on Wikipedia readers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Recent_research

Op-ed: Why Task Forces are Dying in 2017
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2017-07-15/Op-ed

Gallery: A mix of patterns
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Gallery

Humour: The Infobox Game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Humour

Traffic report: Film, television and Internet phenomena reign with some
room left over for America's birthday
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Traffic_report

Technology report: New features in development; more breaking changes for
scripts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Technology_report

Wikicup: 2017 WikiCup round 3 wrap-up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/
2017-07-15/Wikicup


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Hi Anders

I LOVE your email. I forward it to our public list.

Thanks

Florence

Le 13/07/2017 à 17:37, Anders Wennersten a écrit :
I LOVE the Wikipedia way of working - result-oriented, respectful 
dialogues around facts


I HATE power-games and misuse of given authority, both in general in 
life and especially in the Wikimedia movement


I ADMIRE the functionaries in France who have stood firm in their own 
integrity and their beliefs in our values, and rather resigned then 
"played along"


I am very HAPPY to see the decisive stand of FDC, The Board an WMF for 
our values in this case of misbehaviour


and I TRULY LOVE to see the constructiveness of the French community as 
they arise (as  the Phoenix bird from the ashes) in order to 
re-establish the chapter to be true to the values, vision and best 
practice within the movement


I already know the French community to be both creative, productive and 
well working, and am now looking forward to once again see the also 
creative, productive and well working as we have been used to see


Anders
wishing everyone involved the energy to get through this challenge in 
the best way possible



Den 2017-07-13 kl. 11:44, skrev Natacha Rault:

Der Lodewijk,

Thank you for the message, the threshold has indeed been reached, and 
the WMFR board has communicated that they will have the GA asap. The 
official number of people requesting the GA is of 73 as of now.


The emphasis on democratic chapters is indeed important. People are 
now discussing freely on the public list, and it’s  great because they 
are starting to reflect on what they want for the future, and also 
have spokesmen and women for the organisation of the GA. I think this 
was really needed and the discussion is really refreshing after months 
of moderation.


Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat








Le 13 juil. 2017 à 11:32, Lodewijk  a 
écrit :


Thanks Natacha.

I see that 70 members have requested a General Assembly to be held. I
remember from WMFR's bylaws that 25% of the membership can force the 
board
to call a General Assembly, or do it themselves. Is this request 
formulated

in such a manner? What is the required threshold?

This is a terribly sad situation WMFR finds itself in. There are no
winners, and trying to continue this struggle can only create bigger 
losses

on all sides.

I hope an assembly can be held soon, and that a democratic decision 
can be
prepared there, where the membership can give its trust to a board - 
either
providing the current board (with a majority of board-appointed 
members, if

I understand correctly) with the much needed moral authority, or by
electing a new board that can start afresh.

This is why we have always put so much emphasis on having democratic
chapters where the members can in the end intervene.

Lodewijk
(snipping the messages below, as the software complains it's too long)



2017-07-13 10:21 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault :


Dear All,

As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have
translated the time line in English concerning what is happening in 
the

French chapter, although surely we still have to clarify and correct
mistakes. You can find it here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu
/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html 

Kind regards,

Nattes à chat / Natacha


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

[Devouard (gmail)]

Yesterday, a few hours after the whole membership of Wikimedia France 
was served that litterature masterpiece from its board (ED), someone 
told me :


"any wikipedian reading that letter will add a {{refnec}} at the end of 
all sentences"



Since I was mentionned, I would like to renew my position.
I think there is a serious suspicion that the resources of the 
association (paid staff time, communication tools, perhaps even big 
donor database) and the image/name of the association were used for 
personal benefit. I also think that if what I say is correct, there was 
also a questionnable use of Wikimedia brand.


The relevant emails are
* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-July/03.html
* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-July/04.html
* https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-July/07.html

However, contrariwise to the letter statement ("Nous condamnons 
fermement ce qui là encore est une tentative de mettre le CA en 
difficulté par des allégations infondées.") I must clarify that I 
believe that most of the WMFR board knew nothing about that specific 
issue. In particular, it seems the treasurer was not aware the Executive 
Director was actively seeking funds for this independant 
non-profit-to-be. The treasurer followed-up on my first request for 
clarifications, asked me information so that he could figure out what 
was going on, promised to come back with information within a day (and 
never did). Said treasurer resigned a few days later.


And yes... I do have some evidence (such as a copy of the email sent to 
the private donor, as well as the supporting document) and a rather 
convincing rationale (which I can provide if needed, but I would prefer 
to know first what my membership and legal status are).




On another note... I'd like to mention that amongst the people 
mentionned in that email, as well as those not explicitely mentionned 
but strongly hinted, some are tough skins and other are softer. If you 
know well some of them, and feel friendly toward them, send them some 
wikilove because they might need it. We have been dipping in this for... 
months.


Also consider visiting this page where we listed our freedom fighter 
staff : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Merchandise_giveaways/Nominations#Jules78120



And really... thank you Katy (and the team) for the WMF statement 
published yesterday.



Florence



Le 12/07/2017 à 00:25, Chris Keating a écrit :

I thought this email from Wikimedia France was worth wider circulation
within the movement.

Topics covered include:
* How WMFr feels community members are "destabilising and denigrating"
the chapter, and how Wikimedia France is responding by expelling some
of those people from the organisation, threatening them with legal
action, and temporarily closing its email discussion list
* Accusations that Christophe Henner has personally manipulated the
FDC process to cut WMFR's funding
* Also, a statement from WMFR that the WMF is also considering
withdrawing WMFr's chapter agreement

I recommend reading the whole email in conjunction with this timeline:
https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/

It really is remarkable. I was lost for words on reading it, and I am
sure that you will be as well.

Frankly, unless there is prompt and wide-ranging change of the
leadership of Wikimedia France, I think that withdrawing WMFR's
chapter agreement is probably by far the best thing that the WMF can
do. I hope a better solution can be reached in the meantime.

Regards,

Chris



-- Forwarded message --
From: CA Wikimédia France 
Date: 2017-07-11 21:25 GMT+01:00
Subject: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle
To: "M. Chris KEATING" 


Chers membres de Wikimédia France,



Depuis plusieurs mois et particulièrement ces dernières semaines,
quelques membres de la communauté wikimédienne ont violemment pris à
partie des salariés de l’association et des membres du conseil
d’administration, et ceci d’une façon irrationnelle, irresponsable, et
à certains titres répréhensible par la loi.



Cette action de déstabilisation et de dénigrement non seulement n’a
aucun fondement sérieux ou légitime, mais elle contrevient aux règles
et valeurs du mouvement Wikimédia.



Face aux excès et aux mensonges de ces détracteurs, devant leur refus
du dialogue et leur mépris des règles qui régissent notre gouvernance,
nous avons pris plusieurs résolutions que nous tenions à porter à
votre connaissance.



En premier lieu, nous condamnons très fermement les propos diffamants
qui ont été publiquement diffusés et relayés, notamment sur les
réseaux sociaux, et qui portent atteinte au respect des personnes et à
la dignité humaine, en recourant parfois aux parallèles les plus
douteux. C’est indigne, c’est inexcusable, et cela doit être banni de
notre communauté, sauf à perdre le sens de toute valeur et de tout bon
sens.



La récente consultation menée auprès de l’ensemble d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Non-WMF funding sources for community work

[Devouard (gmail)]

Le 07/05/2017 à 20:24, Pine W a écrit :

Hi folks,

I'd like to ask for your thoughts about (1) whether it would be a good
idea, and if so (2) how, to get non-WMF funding sources for community work
which WMF can't, won't, or shouldn't fund, and could benefit from paid
human resources.

Two areas that I have in mind that could benefit from paid human resources
for community work are

(1) the *Signpost*, which seems to me like it requires enough skilled work
to produce on a weekly
basis that its staff should be paid in a manner similar to the staff of US
college weekly newspapers. (For a time I was a regular *Signpost*
contributor, but no longer. I know how much work was involved in doing a
good job with creating and publishing the *Signpost* weekly.)

and

(2) conflict of interest work, in three domains: (a) education of COI
editors, particularly those who express interest in abiding by community
norms and policies; (b) reviews of changes that have been made or proposed
in a manner consistent with the spirit of community norms of policies; and
(c) investigations of potential COI problems such as undisclosed paid
editing.

Perhaps there are other areas which would also benefit from additional paid
human resources, but which WMF can't, won't, or shouldn't fund.

Let me repeat the questions that I asked at the top of this email. (1) How
would people feel about non-WMF funding for these kinds kind of work, if
funding can be found? (2) If funding for these kinds of work would be
beneficial, how might the funding be possible to obtain it without WMF
involvement?

A third question which will need some thought, if there aren't a lot of
objections to the concept and if funding can be found, is "who should
administer the funding?" WMF shouldn't, and my initial thought is that
setting up a new 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization would be a good way to
go. I suggest waiting to think about this question for the moment, and
first focusing on the two other questions.


I would rather advise not starting an organization from scratch, but 
rather to see if the project might not be hosted by an already existing 
non profit with suitable mission and values.


None come to my mind because I know little about the community 
journalism, but cutting down the administrative crap seems like 
potentially good idea to me.


Florence




Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Pine
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