[Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Naming poll open

2012-10-02 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi all, The naming poll for the Travel Guide site is now open. For the next 14 days, you may be eligible to vote for as many of the proposed names as you wish. For full details on voting criteria and other process notes as to how the name will be selected, please see the voting page at https://m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Alice Wiegand, 23/08/2012 23:55: And here's a very short note about the next steps: The board is reviewing the RfC and its talk page over the next week. We are going to share our thoughts with you soon on the RfC's talk page. Please feel free to leave comments there, that's still possible and wil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Alice Wiegand
And here's a very short note about the next steps: The board is reviewing the RfC and its talk page over the next week. We are going to share our thoughts with you soon on the RfC's talk page. Please feel free to leave comments there, that's still possible and will be read ;-) Regards, Alice On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Morton
On 23 August 2012 14:56, James Heilman wrote: > Most of the issues where addressed. And they only way to determine if many > of the concerns hold water is to simply try it. A travel guide will likely > be heavily read and edited. > > As a comparison their are an approximately an equal number of m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread James Heilman
Most of the issues where addressed. And they only way to determine if many of the concerns hold water is to simply try it. A travel guide will likely be heavily read and edited. As a comparison their are an approximately an equal number of medical articles on Wikipedia to travel articles. Yet the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Morton
I see none of the issues raised were really addressed. Another spam filled, little populated, project then. *sigh* Tom On 23 August 2012 11:53, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 22 August 2012 22:39, Kim Bruning wrote: > > For those interested, a quick reminder: > > > > The travel guide RFC will (soft

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Andrew Gray
On 22 August 2012 22:39, Kim Bruning wrote: > For those interested, a quick reminder: > > The travel guide RFC will (soft) close in 1 hour, 17 minutes as of the > moment this mail is sent. (At 0:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)) > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide

[Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-22 Thread Kim Bruning
For those interested, a quick reminder: The travel guide RFC will (soft) close in 1 hour, 17 minutes as of the moment this mail is sent. (At 0:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide sincerely, Kim Bruning __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide

2012-07-12 Thread Arne Klempert
We're down in the lobby now. Am 12.07.2012 12:18 schrieb "aude" : > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Arne Klempert >wrote: > > > Hi James, where exactly are we going to meet? Arne > > > > Is it too hot or would the terrace be okay? > > Cheers, > Katie > > > > > Am 12.07.2012 07:54 schrieb "James

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide

2012-07-12 Thread aude
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Arne Klempert wrote: > Hi James, where exactly are we going to meet? Arne > Is it too hot or would the terrace be okay? Cheers, Katie > Am 12.07.2012 07:54 schrieb "James Heilman" : > > > A travel guide discussion will be taking place today at Wikimania durin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide

2012-07-12 Thread Arne Klempert
Hi James, where exactly are we going to meet? Arne Am 12.07.2012 07:54 schrieb "James Heilman" : > A travel guide discussion will be taking place today at Wikimania during > lunch. Representatives from Wikivoyage and from the editor community of > WIkitravel will be hear to answer any questions. A

[Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide

2012-07-12 Thread James Heilman
A travel guide discussion will be taking place today at Wikimania during lunch. Representatives from Wikivoyage and from the editor community of WIkitravel will be hear to answer any questions. A request for comment is ongoing http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide -- Ja

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-18 Thread Sue Gardner
Hey folks, For those who've been following this thread -- I wanted to let you know I've posted a comment from the Wikimedia Foundation, on the talk page for the meta page James made, here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Travel_Guide#Comment_from_the_Wikimedia_Foundation I pasted the ful

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-13 Thread Kevin Gorman
For clarity, by verifiability of sources, what I meant was "we know where this image came from and know it's freely licensed" - nothing beyond that On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Commons has a policy dealing with neutrality, but it's very different > than that of, say, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-13 Thread Kevin Gorman
Commons has a policy dealing with neutrality, but it's very different than that of, say, the Wikipedias - and is I would think even less strict than what could reasonably be formulated for a travel guide. They also have no policy on verifiability, except for requiring verifiability of sources. Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is not. Thanks, Gerard On 13 April 2012 11:46, Mark Jaroski wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:40, Juergen Fenn > wrote: > > > I beg to differ, and I would like to repeat a point that I had raised > > on Meta yesterday. I think we all agree that travel guides are all > > about POV?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-13 Thread Mark Jaroski
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:40, Juergen Fenn wrote: > I beg to differ, and I would like to repeat a point that I had raised > on Meta yesterday. I think we all agree that travel guides are all > about POV? Choose this hotel, while better keep away from that one is > a case in point. This would hard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-13 Thread Juergen Fenn
Am 12. April 2012 20:26 schrieb Samuel Klein : > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Casey Brown wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Mark Jaroski wrote: >>> We're under the impression that there are >>> other Wikimedia foundation projects which don't use NPOV, and so those of >>> us favourin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Tom Morris
On 12 April 2012 21:24, James Heilman wrote: > With respect to audience, on Wikipedia we write for a general audience yet > our medical content is still used by 50-70% of practicing physicians. > Lonely planet lists hotels in different section based on price. On > Wikipedia we use editorial judgem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread James Heilman
With respect to audience, on Wikipedia we write for a general audience yet our medical content is still used by 50-70% of practicing physicians. Lonely planet lists hotels in different section based on price. On Wikipedia we use editorial judgement about what to include and what not to include. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Mark Jaroski wrote: >> We're under the impression that there are >> other Wikimedia foundation projects which don't use NPOV, and so those of >> us favouring approaching WMF have been able to argue that we wou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Ryan Holliday
- What sort of size is the WT community at the moment? I'll leave it to one of the others to answer that? Ryan? The English language WT version is the largest and gets around 500-1000 edits each day. There are 69,046 registered users and 48 admins, but on any given day it's probably fair to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Casey Brown
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Mark Jaroski wrote: > We're under the impression that there are > other Wikimedia foundation projects which don't use NPOV, and so those of > us favouring approaching WMF have been able to argue that we wouldn't be > forced to use it. If that's wrong then we should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
> > > - What are the policies/approach to copyright violations and other issues > > such as slander, etc? > > > > http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft > > > I was more looking for the communities approach to hunting down, removing or otherwise investigating copyright issues. (this is quite an impo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 14:39, Thomas Morton wrote: > Just to highlight my earlier point about sourcing, the article on Florence > currently says: > > Opera was invented in Florence. > > > This happens to be true - but I have no proof of it, and it may well simply > be the opinion of the original

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 14:33, Thomas Morton wrote: > p.s. I read your "fair" link with interest - I think that is a good way to > resolve the issue with clashing of personal experience. However one thing a > bigger community brings is a difficulty in resolving these problems (or, > they crop up m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
Just to highlight my earlier point about sourcing, the article on Florence currently says: Opera was invented in Florence. This happens to be true - but I have no proof of it, and it may well simply be the opinion of the original writer. Much of the rest of the historical section is the same; it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
> > > What I think would be important to avoid is too much subjective > information > > from one individual; for example, where I to write about York, UK I would > > recommend not going to the Jorvik centre (a main attraction) because I > > thought it overpriced and boring. > > > > > > Whilst my vi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
We've mainly approached this issue encouraging the different groups of travellers to add relevant content for their areas. We specifically try to mix it all in, because we don't want to section anyone off. There was considerable controversy back in 2005 or so about adding an LBGT section to the gui

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:04:27 +0200, Mark Jaroski wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:41, Thomas Morton wrote: So in summary I don't see that there is any real difference in our stance on this - it might just need a bit of rethinking. We'd like to express it as "Traveller's Point of View".

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:41, Thomas Morton wrote: > What I think would be important to avoid is too much subjective information > from one individual; for example, where I to write about York, UK I would > recommend not going to the Jorvik centre (a main attraction) because I > thought it overpr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
> > First, NPOV would probably be a deal-breaker. The travel wiki community > (usually working at Wikitravel) have long used Traveller's Point of View. > This point of view is not neutral at all, but favours the traveller. > Hoteliers, restaurateurs, etc. have different points of view, but for us >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Ryan Holliday
On 4/12/2012 12:04 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: I am not to deep into this, so please bear with me if it already was mentioned before: what are the main issues you face with the current setting? As with any diverse community different individuals will have different opinions, but some of the issu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Mark Jaroski
Hi Rupert, The current hosting provider (who also own a trademark on the site name, and the right to place advertisements on the site) have become unresponsive to requests for server maintenance and especially software upgrades, feature requests, etc. Speaking for myself, one of the main interest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread rupert THURNER
I am not to deep into this, so please bear with me if it already was mentioned before: what are the main issues you face with the current setting? Am 12.04.2012 08:53 schrieb "Mark Jaroski" : > Hi all, > > I'm a long-standing editor/admin/etc. at Wikitravel, though I've been less > active in recen

[Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-11 Thread Mark Jaroski
Hi all, I'm a long-standing editor/admin/etc. at Wikitravel, though I've been less active in recent years, mainly due to work and family. I have, however, been participating in discussions among Wikitravel admins about our dissatisfaction with our current hosting provider, and what we're going to