Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Glaisher
On 06/19/2015 05:54 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: Earlier this year as a result of the glam organisers event in Paris I made a proposal at bugzilla for an event organisers useright. This would have allowed us to circumvent this problem at those editathons that are targeted at newbies, and it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Dennis During
Partially OT: re Sadly it got marked as resolved because there was something that looked similar to developers, though not of course to potential users. I've had a similar experience at Phabricator with respect to dump problems. Phabricator as it is used is really for WMF pros only, even though

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: [I'm posting this here because although the experiences described relate to en.WP, I'm sure it applies to other projects as well] I have trained over 100 people to edit Wikipedia this year; in around a dozen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 19 June 2015 at 13:54, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Earlier this year as a result of the glam organisers event in Paris I made a proposal at bugzilla for an event organisers useright. This would have allowed us to circumvent this problem at those editathons that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm tempted to point out that this mainly affects new editors who cite their edits, other new editors will get bitten in other ways. But the internet is not the best venue for irony. More practically, if you have a tame admin on tap then you can reduce this and other problems at editathons by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Hong, Yongmin
ThrottleOverride extension is not deployed on WMF cluster[1] so your best bet is to create a new bug which is already deployed on WMF cluster. [1] this means even if this is fixed, you will not see the fixed code on wikimedia wikis. -- Revi https://www.revi.pe.kr -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 6.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all, I know this might be a bit off topic but I'll risk it anyways. One told me a couple weeks ago that CAPTCHA (at least one CAPTCHA) was created or used to transcribe documents bit by bit, each word you enter corresponds to a two word link, that when it reaches so many equal responses is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 19 June 2015 at 14:58, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 19 June 2015 at 13:54, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Earlier this year as a result of the glam organisers event in Paris I made a proposal at bugzilla for an event organisers useright. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Ricordisamoa
Yes, I think it's a great idea! T34695 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T34695 has been assigned to me for a while, but I'd use some help. Il 19/06/2015 16:17, Eduardo Testart ha scritto: Hi all, I know this might be a bit off topic but I'll risk it anyways. One told me a couple weeks ago

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Benjamin Lees
Events sometimes get whitelisted for account creation purposes: https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/throttle.php.txt The exceptions there there could be made to set $wgCaptchaWhitelistIP too. On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 8:54 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: alternatively perhaps

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Andrew Gray
It's true that events *can* get whitelisted, but this is a very complex method. It relies on the organiser knowing the IP ranges in advance, and knowing who to contact at WMF - and on WMF having the time to deal with it. It would rapidly break down if we needed to use this method for every small

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Sydney Poore
Hi, I agree with Andrew that is not practical to whitelist ip addresses as a primary method of overcoming account creation/ CAPTCHA issues at events. Organizers often will not know the ip range in advance because of changes in the address, or last minute changes in the location of the event. The

[Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
[I'm posting this here because although the experiences described relate to en.WP, I'm sure it applies to other projects as well] I have trained over 100 people to edit Wikipedia this year; in around a dozen different sessions. Not a single session has occurred, when someone has not had a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Lane Rasberry
Hello, I confirm that the CAPTCHA has problems. When someone is asked to do one, it is not clear why, and there is a strange and non-intuitive disconnect between saving the article initially, entering the CAPTCHA, and saving again. It is hard to explain but something odd happens in Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Pine W
You might want check if there is already a bug listed for this under https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-extensions-confirmedit-(captcha-extension)/, and if not then create a new one. (: Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 June 2015 at 16:57, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: Previous discussions on this topic: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079318.html That appears to be a disusison of teh CAPTCHA encountered during account registration, which has a very different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: I'm here to confirm that I've seen the same issue in over almost every wiki-workshop. Seconded. I can't remember one that didn't run into this. Especially for editors thoughtful enough to try to link their sources.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Legoktm
On 06/18/2015 09:03 AM, David Gerard wrote: That is, we already know for a fact that it's literally worse than useless. Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement. It's actually not useless: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html -- Legoktm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Garry
Previous discussions on this topic: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079318.html Dan On 18 June 2015 at 07:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: [I'm posting this here because although the experiences described relate to en.WP, I'm sure it applies to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2015 at 15:22, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: Not a single session has occurred, when someone has not had a problem with our CAPTCHA interface. Often, several editors in a single sesison are confused. I recall from November's discussion that not only does the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Pharos
I'm here to confirm that I've seen the same issue in over almost every wiki-workshop. Part of the problem is the lack of prominence of the notice, and also the CAPTCHA often being hidden below the fold. I would not be averse to experiment in just turning it off for a bit. Thanks, Pharos On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 June 2015 at 18:20, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement. It's actually not useless: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html And again, that refers to CAPTCHA used for creating new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Legoktm
On 06/18/2015 10:48 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 18 June 2015 at 18:20, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Switching it off would thus be an immediate improvement. It's actually not useless: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html And again, that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread James Heilman
Yes CAPTCHA is a pain. Yes it prevents bots from spamming us. The question is does cluebot provide us sufficient defence such that CAPTCHA is not needed? -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian Starting July 2015 I am a board member of the Wikimedia Foundation My emails; however, do not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 June 2015 at 22:25, Legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: It's actually not useless: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-December/079762.html And again, that refers to CAPTCHA used for creating new accounts, not the one under discussion. Um, no it doesn't? It