Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-29 Thread Chris Keating
> My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such ignorance as much as possible > and build them in into this proposal; at least by pointing out what to > avoid based on their failures (not to mention to learn what could work as > showed popular) to speed up the process Yes, that would be a good ide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-28 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi Salvador, I beleive we have at least three (or more) "basises for inspiration and future success" already. All started from scratches and all of them almost completely ignored all previous attempts. My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such ignorance as much as possible and build them in in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-28 Thread Claudia Garád
Szia Balazs, I don't think that the the topics (such as organizational development) that led to the idea of WCA are the reason that it failed. In fact this current initiative is an attempt to carry on what has been started in the context of WCA but in a more lose, flexible manner (a learning f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-28 Thread Salvador A
If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that must be solved. I don't see Chris' proposal as "reinventing the wheel" but as a new attempt to give answers to an inconclude question. If past attempts have failed that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-28 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi all, pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that from this basic idea it was quickly developed into an "uber-chapter"-like thing, not to mention the other problems. Anyways, I would highly recommend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle, she has been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the slightly more details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming :) Lodewijk 2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette : > Hi Chris, > > H

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi Chris, Have you approached Anna Stillwell - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about this? She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and thinking. Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real insights for you. :-) pb *Philippe Beaud

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi Chris - Thanks for starting this; it's something we need, especially going in to the next few years. I'll aim to contribute quite a bit to the page, although the bulk of my contributions may await the end of the term. It's also probably worth noting that there will be some degree of overlap b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread
Thanks Chris. Interesting you chose to link to my unfinished peer review with WMEE, considering you asked me to halt my inter-chapter governance activities when you were the Chair of WMUK. If you think it is a good idea to allow me to finish the peer reviews I started, perhaps you should check wit

[Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread Chris Keating
Hi all, I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a