Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Phoebe. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings, Based on continuing changes to Wikimedia's approach to movement affiliates (chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups), input from the community, and discussions with WMF board and staff - the Affiliations Committee has begun work on expanding our support of affiliates once the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Wil, reading through this thread is already a challenge :) I want to write that I really appreciate your enthusiasm and energy. It is really awesome that you care about Wikimedia and that you do not shy away from a discussion. As several participants have pointed out, some of the veterans may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
MZMcBride -- We are a little bit in the tricky situation because our strategy has not been updated yet. Allocation should follow strategic priorities and it is the strategy that helps answer this question. On a more operational scale, resources tend go to where the users are or where the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks for this update. Ii is refreshing to see both your will to act in accordance with our tradition of transparency and also to see your open curious approach to your new assignment (and your will to start up strategy work). I get two reflections when I read through your mail. Do not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread James Salsman
Lila Tretikov wrote: ... Allocation should follow strategic priorities and it is the strategy that helps answer this question. On this point, it should be enormously helpful to point out that the only strategic goal which the Foundation has ever failed to achieve, and has consistently failed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
For the record, I take any safety issues concerning both staff and volunteers extremely seriously. In the case of a threatening message left on an employee's talk page, GorillaWarfare took immediate action, for which I am very grateful. And I am grateful to see this kind of community at work.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
Thanks Anders for the advice -- I will look into those. Maintaining freedom of speech is especially close to my heart. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: Thanks for this update. Ii is refreshing to see both your will to act in accordance with

[Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
I wanted to share my first editing experience and ask for your help. Here it is: Today I have made the first edit on English Wikipedia. As I said in my first meeting -- I believe in traveling the path of our editors, so I can better understand them and so taht we can make their experience more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Slide deck about Wikimedia?

2014-05-29 Thread James Alexander
I believe the list Sue is talking about (which has some nice presentations) is at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room/WMF_Presentations James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Sue Gardner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Lila Tretikov, 29/05/2014 10:24: - Have them send it to lila at wikimedia with the subject: #1 In any language? ;) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Craig Franklin
Hi Wil, I think the advice in this thread from John and Dariusz is excellent, and well worth taking on board. Energy is good, and disruption to shake us out of our status quo is good. But at the moment, your communication style is swamping this list and that's getting people's backs up. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
Any language :) On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Lila Tretikov, 29/05/2014 10:24: - Have them send it to lila at wikimedia with the subject: #1 In any language? ;) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, James is right in that we could do better in growing the number of people contributing to our projects. So what is it that makes people back? Typically it is that they find the information they look for. Typically it is that their contribution is valued and does not take too much effort.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Wil Sinclair
With all due respect, no more of my time will be spent on this forum whatsoever. I'm not at all comfortable with the direction that this thread has taken. If my asking earnest questions makes anyone feel unsafe and leads to requests to block me (yes, both things were mentioned/requested and can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Jon Davies
We hardly ever say 'Thank You' On 29 May 2014 11:10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, James is right in that we could do better in growing the number of people contributing to our projects. So what is it that makes people back? Typically it is that they find the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Pipo Le Clown
Well, the best way to meet people interested in working with you to build the sound library on Commons is ... on Commons. There's a Village Pump there, where you can freely post a message, and people will answer it if they are interested. There are projects running that revolve around sound or

[Wikimedia-l] wikireaders project, how is this calculated correctly?

2014-05-29 Thread rupert THURNER
victor, thats great to read about the impact of the project. the idiegogo link says it raised 3'370 out of 232'000, the wmf grant link states it raised 3'000. why there is a difference? i was also wondering that in the report your partner states: 20-30% of the wikireaders could not hold any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy (also relevant to A personal note)

2014-05-29 Thread Mike Godwin
Hi, Wil (and greetings to all my Wikimedian friends here!). I've been catching up on the Wikimedia-L threads, and of course I've come across your many postings and your engagement, sometimes tense, with other posters here. I have some sympathy for your reactions and questions: I've had some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Austin Hair
́Fae, You just did. Arguably, you did even worse by throwing the allegation out there without substantiation. Nobody's asking you to be friends with Greg Kohs—it's no secret that I'm not—but you're dredging up off-list history for no productive reason I can discern. Since I'm responsible for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Alice Wiegand
Good news, Greg! This is a great initiative which can provide a lot of support especially for younger affiliations. I'm curious how it will be accepted and what's the kind of support affiliations ask for. Please keep us in the loop. Alice. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Gregory Varnum

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Chris Keating
Thanks AffComm - it is great to see this moving forward. I have added this info to the Organisational Development page on Meta; http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development Chris On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Based

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Greg, this is good to hear, and a fine reason to broaden the committee. And thanks for the reminder about that page, Chris: it is a handy starting point. On May 29, 2014 7:45 AM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks AffComm - it is great to see this moving forward. I have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Rui Correia
Hi James Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for 6 months; one year; two years? Do we have these figures for all languages? New editors should be allowed space to grow. Wikipedia is so rich in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread
On 29/05/2014, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: ́Fae, You just did. Arguably, you did even worse by throwing the allegation out there without substantiation. Nobody's asking you to be friends with Greg Kohs—it's no secret that I'm not—but you're dredging up off-list history for no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Austin Hair
Wil, Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for this list, that bar's set pretty high. The soft post limit that's been pointed out to you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Sydney Poore
Thank you AffCom committee members for taking on this important new role. I'll be very interested to see the type and amount of support that affiliates find useful. It will make for extra work but I hope you can document the work you all do with affiliates and publish the information. Sydney

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: Wil, Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for this list, that

[Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Rui Correia
[Chaging subject line as (1) topic has moved on (2) need to ensure visibility by rising above the Lila/ Wil never ending story frenzy.] Hi James Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for 6 months;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
I think this is a good idea, but Im interested in knowing if AffComm intends to have a more responsive way to address petitions for affiliation. There are a number of applications stuck in limbo with no indication of how and when they will be resolved. Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 08:36:09 -0400

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Rui Correia, 29/05/2014 15:01: Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchprofile=advancedsearch=retentionfulltext=Searchns202=1profile=advanced How long does the average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Ok! I have a training session with Tec de Monterrey students doing community service on Sat. This will be part of their introduction! Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 01:24:33 -0700 From: l...@wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 I wanted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread
On 29/05/2014, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: ... In the end what retention matters for is http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm That is an incredibly useful report. If like me, most people find this a hard table to remember how to locate, a link to a

[Wikimedia-l] Connecting knowledge to power: the future of digital democracy

2014-05-29 Thread Stevie Benton
Hello everyone (with apologies for cross-posting), tl:dr -* Wikimedia UK https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page and Demos http://www.demos.co.uk/ are encouraging Wikimedians to participate in an attempt to crowdsource a submission to a call for evidence on digital democracy from the Speaker of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Fæ, 29/05/2014 16:07: Perhaps we should have some more memorable on-wiki short-cuts to link and find these reports? I suggested Erik Zachte that we could override the default [[MediaWiki:statistics-footer]] (which is empty) on all Wikimedia wikis to link relevant WikiStats reports, but he's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Rui Correia
Hi Frederico Neither of those answers my question. I doesn't tell me whether we are bleeding new or old members. The reason for an editor of either group to leave are different. All that that graph shows is that there has been a frightful drop since 2007. Rui 2014-05-29 15:28 GMT+02:00

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread rupert THURNER
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Fæ, 29/05/2014 16:07: Perhaps we should have some more memorable on-wiki short-cuts to link and find these reports? I suggested Erik Zachte that we could override the default [[MediaWiki:statistics-footer]]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-29 Thread Thyge
2014-05-29 7:46 GMT+02:00 Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com: * I'm quite capable of thinking for myself. I am truly interested in protecting children and preventing harassment. And I'm particularly interested in the current state of the policies around these issues as the leadership of the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
We have deeper graphs. I want to be sensitive to our product team's time, but I am sure they will share when they can. The short answer -- I believe -- the the community tends to gravitate towards its current state and loose new editors at a higher rate. This is not unusual in general of course

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread
On 29 May 2014 15:31, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Neither of those answers my question. I doesn't tell me whether we are bleeding new or old members. The reason for an editor of either group to leave are different. All that that graph shows is that there has been a frightful drop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread David Gerard
Suggestion: make this a blog post, then we have something to forward widely. On 29 May 2014 09:24, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: I wanted to share my first editing experience and ask for your help. Here it is: Today I have made the first edit on English Wikipedia. As I said in my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Bishakha Datta
Love it. Look forward to reading the paragraphs (without identifying info) when the experiment is completed, or at some suitable point in the process. :) Best Bishakha On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: Ok! I have a training session with Tec de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread
n 29 May 2014 15:43, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have deeper graphs. I want to be sensitive to our product team's time, but I am sure they will share when they can. Hi Lila, As well as WMF teams, there are quite a few volunteers about who pull reports from the database or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikireaders project, how is this calculated correctly?

2014-05-29 Thread Victor Grigas
On May 29, 2014, at 5:41 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: victor, thats great to read about the impact of the project. the idiegogo link says it raised 3'370 out of 232'000, the wmf grant link states it raised 3'000. why there is a difference? I think that indiegogo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
The short answer is that we are reviewing the recognition and renewal process for user groups right now and ways to expedite the process further. Now a longer answer for those that are interested... :) This is an almost constant activity for AffCom and several small changes continue to be made.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Quick question: The ultimate goal is for the user group recognition process to be shortened to a few weeks. When the user group model was proposed, the idea was that this should take no more than 15 minutes. What currently takes time? Sam ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all information being available at the time of application). However, currently there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Victor Grigas
Here's the link to that video: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Editing_makes_me_feel_stupid.ogv On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a great way to get insight from our new editors :) If video reactions are desired, I think at one point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Sam Klein
Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs? I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process. It looks like the main steps are a) appointing a liaison b) having some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sam, If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
We are moving toward a process that involves 1-2 people primarily and then a full vote by the committee (which right now procedurally takes one week). From my perspective, the delays are often related to confusion over the process, or failure to actually initiate things with AffCom. We have about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
All, It'd be wonderful to be able to share these stories publicly in the future. I'm going to reach out to those who have already shared their experiences with me to confirm they're comfortable with sharing. If you're not comfortable with sharing your story, or want to withhold your name, please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
Thanks so much Leigh -- when you do this please let me know if it is OK to share publicly. We will be using these to learn about how to best improve the UX. L On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com wrote: Ok! I have a training session with Tec de Monterrey

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
One has to keep in mind, that we encourage groups to contact us as early in their group creation phase as possible, which means that the process' time will include time spent by the applying group on figuring out who they are and what they want to do.That has not been our (Wiki Borregos)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
SJ, Aside from the questions being on Meta (which they soon will), and the one-person authority - this is very close to the process we are working from now. Bence describes it a bit more, but basically a request comes in, someone is assigned it, we ask them some questions, if that person feels

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Gregory Varnum
As Leigh and people who follow this list and others know, the Wiki Borregos application has more complications. I do not think rehashing that on this public list is the best way to resolve that. Leigh, we are discussing it actively now, and you are welcome to email us for an update. You are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
We have been doing all of that including the board members for a year now. This is the first bit of information Ive had from you in months. This seems to work a lot faster. Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:28:49 -0400 From: gregory.var...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-05-29 Thread Lila Tretikov
Rodrigo -- what do the bubbles represent in the chart -- countries? On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Pine, For me, this is just a small and visible part of the iceberg, sadly. I not will go deeper in that, because I do not have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy (also relevant to A personal note)

2014-05-29 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Apologies for top posting, I'm on my phone... Mike, this was one of the best emails to this list I've read in a long time. As someone who has squabbled with you on mailing lists, it's even better to me. Take care, sir. ~ Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan On May 29, 2014 5:53

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Carlos M. Colina
Hi Sam, El 29/05/2014 10:18 p.m., Sam Klein escribió: Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs? I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process. It looks like the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Lila, My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a particular purpose, if you agree. Otherwise emails are considered personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs? I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote: Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this. Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Carlos M. Colina
Hi Leigh, As Greg just said it, we are all aware that your application has more complications. We are doing the best we can to speed the process up, but the AffCom is not the only actor involved in our investigations, as it is with other cases. We also know that you have included the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 03:21 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote: *Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia* Yeay! Grats Zero team for yet another victory bringing Free knowledge to all people! -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Tilman Bayer
(This press release is also available online here: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Airtel_Offers_Nigerians_Free_Access_to_Wikipedia ) *Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia* - *Customers to Access Multilingual Content Free of Data Charges* - *Restates

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Lila, My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Nathan, what you're describing is an opt-out practice. I believe that the practice should be opt-in. Take this with a grain of salt. I participate in some grantmaking and administrative groups and I err on the side of privacy, but I'm fairly confident that the Privacy Policy applies in this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread rupert THURNER
another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality. and another day where wikimedia foundation helps driving an illegal practice according european and brazilian laws :( for the ones in the US, read and file here comments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 04:55 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality. I would *really* like to hear your reasoning on this, given that there is absolutely nothing that prevents any telco

[Wikimedia-l] FW: Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
I was contacted off-list about this situation by someone who wants to remain anonymous but has given me permission to forward their input to the list. I am not a copyright expert and this isn't professional legal advice. It would be interesting to hear what WMF Legal thinks about republishing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Jens Best
Hi Marc, zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a noble service to give free knowledge to the people. Free knowledge of the leading global encyclopedia is surely connected with a totally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi Marc, zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a noble service to give free knowledge to the people. Free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
OK so then why no action, no communication until I write something here? Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 22:52:40 +0300 From: ma...@wikimedia.org.ve To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Hi Leigh, As Greg just said it, we are

[Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-29 Thread Milos Rancic
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant. We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi Bence - I'd encourage you to not really factor in 'could this help someone get a quick grant and run?' in to your decisionmaking processes. The FDC requires a multiyear track record of successful largescale program implementation before considering a grant, and I'd think if a UG had that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote: A noble cause doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic. In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to educational resources for free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: other active GAC members given the relatively low bar required for UG status - we'll be paying way more attention at the details of the grant and the applicant(s) than on whether they have AffCom recognition. I'd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Milos Rancic, 29/05/2014 23:44: animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries. Surely they have some studies on what's their compliance with EU standards by now? Serbia is quite close to entering EU (if you forget Kosovo).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Leigh, Actually, we were discussing your group's application even before your writing here. I do apologize for the lack of communication or clarity, although there was no news to communicate. In general, I would advise everyone to be bold in following the recommendation that is on the Meta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons

2014-05-29 Thread Leigh Thelmadatter
Wonderful! I look forward to hearing something in the next weeks. From: bdamo...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 00:18:02 +0200 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons Hi Leigh, Actually, we were discussing your group's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-29 Thread Daniel Mietchen
Hi Milos, I agree with Nemo that finding an additional non-zoo partner would be a good thing and that it's worth having a close look at the project with Sofia Zoo, which he linked in his post. Perhaps you could ask the applicants to review that project and to outline similarities and differences

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-29 Thread Quim Gil
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote: As we have more than 1 members now I did not realize WMDE had 1000 active members! While 1 1000 is true, I just want to stress

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote: As we have more than 1 members now I did not realize WMDE

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-29 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi, I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.) I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world. We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Jens Best
Hi Marc, your arguments aren't really factual, but rather emotional. But that's fair enough. Giving access to educational resources isn't the same statement as zero-rating wikipedia - If the mobile providers are willing to give more open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread C. Scott Ananian
This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in much greater depth elsewhere: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the matter, which does not appear to have been stated publicly yet. Some related links:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread David Gerard
AIUI, the Wikipedia Zero is mostly (not entirely, but mostly) happening in countries that completely do not have anything like net neutrality, and where Google and Facebook already subsidise access for their bytes. It would be nice if Wikimedia could work to strict neutrality rules in these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The first three weeks.

2014-05-29 Thread Aaron Halfaker
Hi Rui, You raised a lot of questions that I think I might be able to help address. I'm a research scientist working for the WMF. My research focuses on the nature of newcomer participation, editor motivation and value production in Wikipedia. See [1] and [2] (if you have the time) for my most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Input needed: Cooperation with zoos?

2014-05-29 Thread Daniel Mietchen
That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community! Daniel -- http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications http://okfn.org http://wikimedia.org On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Enock Seth Nyamador
Interesting takes this, some of us are really learning something from you it. -Enock. On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:00 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: AIUI, the Wikipedia Zero is mostly (not entirely, but mostly) happening in countries that completely do not have anything like net

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread James Salsman
Rui Correia wrote: ... tell me whether we are bleeding new or old members. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Trends_Study/Results http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_lifecycle and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Editor_classes agree: we lose experienced editors at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:43 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in much greater depth elsewhere: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF May 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, June 5, 18:00 UTC

2014-05-29 Thread Praveena Maharaj
Dear all, The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, June 5, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. The current structure of the meeting is: * Review of key

[Wikimedia-l] Funds Dissemination Committee seeking nominations for new members

2014-05-29 Thread Anasuya Sengupta
tl;dr Self-nominations invited for four Board-appointed members of the FDC. Nominate here.[3] Dear members of the Wikimedia community, The Funds Dissemination Committee Advisory Group (FDC AG) met recently in Frankfurt to recommend to the Executive Director (ED) of the Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 08:57 PM, James Salsman wrote: but it was misplaced because being able to figure out wikitext is an excellent attribute in new editors I think that statement fails on two aspects: for one, saying that the enthusiasm 'was misplaced' is rather premature as VE itself is rather

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 09:25 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: If not, the Telcos are making a loss. Why? I should expect because they expect the goodwill they earn doing so will turn people into paying customers. Indeed, some of them have been rather explicit in their expectation that as their customers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread rupert THURNER
participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does not allow free participation. write emails, search for references, download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population, produced 50%+ of wikipedias