Thanks Phoebe.
Pine
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Greetings,
Based on continuing changes to Wikimedia's approach to movement affiliates
(chapters, thematic organizations, and user groups), input from the
community, and discussions with WMF board and staff - the Affiliations
Committee has begun work on expanding our support of affiliates once the
hi Wil,
reading through this thread is already a challenge :) I want to write that
I really appreciate your enthusiasm and energy. It is really awesome that
you care about Wikimedia and that you do not shy away from a discussion.
As several participants have pointed out, some of the veterans may
MZMcBride -- We are a little bit in the tricky situation because our
strategy has not been updated yet. Allocation should follow strategic
priorities and it is the strategy that helps answer this question. On a
more operational scale, resources tend go to where the users are or where
the
Thanks for this update.
Ii is refreshing to see both your will to act in accordance with our
tradition of transparency and also to see your open curious approach to
your new assignment (and your will to start up strategy work).
I get two reflections when I read through your mail.
Do not
Lila Tretikov wrote:
...
Allocation should follow strategic priorities and it
is the strategy that helps answer this question.
On this point, it should be enormously helpful to point out that the
only strategic goal which the Foundation has ever failed to achieve,
and has consistently failed to
For the record, I take any safety issues concerning both staff and
volunteers extremely seriously. In the case of a threatening message left
on an employee's talk page, GorillaWarfare took immediate action, for which
I am very grateful. And I am grateful to see this kind of community at work.
Thanks Anders for the advice -- I will look into those. Maintaining freedom
of speech is especially close to my heart.
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se
wrote:
Thanks for this update.
Ii is refreshing to see both your will to act in accordance with
I wanted to share my first editing experience and ask for your help. Here
it is:
Today I have made the first edit on English Wikipedia. As I said in my
first meeting -- I believe in traveling the path of our editors, so I can
better understand them and so taht we can make their experience more
I believe the list Sue is talking about (which has some nice presentations)
is at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room/WMF_Presentations
James Alexander
Legal and Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation
(415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Sue Gardner
Lila Tretikov, 29/05/2014 10:24:
- Have them send it to lila at wikimedia with the subject: #1
In any language? ;)
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Hi Wil,
I think the advice in this thread from John and Dariusz is excellent, and
well worth taking on board.
Energy is good, and disruption to shake us out of our status quo is good.
But at the moment, your communication style is swamping this list and
that's getting people's backs up. The
Any language :)
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Lila Tretikov, 29/05/2014 10:24:
- Have them send it to lila at wikimedia with the subject: #1
In any language? ;)
Nemo
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Hoi,
James is right in that we could do better in growing the number of people
contributing to our projects. So what is it that makes people back?
Typically it is that they find the information they look for. Typically it
is that their contribution is valued and does not take too much effort.
With all due respect, no more of my time will be spent on this forum whatsoever.
I'm not at all comfortable with the direction that this thread has
taken. If my asking earnest questions makes anyone feel unsafe and
leads to requests to block me (yes, both things were
mentioned/requested and can
We hardly ever say 'Thank You'
On 29 May 2014 11:10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
James is right in that we could do better in growing the number of people
contributing to our projects. So what is it that makes people back?
Typically it is that they find the
Well, the best way to meet people interested in working with you to build
the sound library on Commons is ... on Commons. There's a Village Pump
there, where you can freely post a message, and people will answer it if
they are interested. There are projects running that revolve around sound
or
victor,
thats great to read about the impact of the project. the idiegogo link
says it raised 3'370 out of 232'000, the wmf grant link states it
raised 3'000. why there is a difference?
i was also wondering that in the report your partner states: 20-30% of
the wikireaders could not hold any
Hi, Wil (and greetings to all my Wikimedian friends here!).
I've been catching up on the Wikimedia-L threads, and of course I've
come across your many postings and your engagement, sometimes tense,
with other posters here. I have some sympathy for your reactions and
questions: I've had some
́Fae,
You just did. Arguably, you did even worse by throwing the allegation
out there without substantiation. Nobody's asking you to be friends
with Greg Kohs—it's no secret that I'm not—but you're dredging up
off-list history for no productive reason I can discern.
Since I'm responsible for
Good news, Greg!
This is a great initiative which can provide a lot of support especially
for younger affiliations. I'm curious how it will be accepted and what's
the kind of support affiliations ask for. Please keep us in the loop.
Alice.
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Gregory Varnum
Thanks AffComm - it is great to see this moving forward.
I have added this info to the Organisational Development page on Meta;
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development
Chris
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
wrote:
Greetings,
Based
Hi James
Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the
average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for 6
months; one year; two years? Do we have these figures for all languages?
New editors should be allowed space to grow. Wikipedia is so rich in
On 29/05/2014, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
́Fae,
You just did. Arguably, you did even worse by throwing the allegation
out there without substantiation. Nobody's asking you to be friends
with Greg Kohs—it's no secret that I'm not—but you're dredging up
off-list history for no
Wil,
Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our
approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes
step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for
this list, that bar's set pretty high.
The soft post limit that's been pointed out to you
Thank you AffCom committee members for taking on this important new role.
I'll be very interested to see the type and amount of support that
affiliates find useful.
It will make for extra work but I hope you can document the work you all do
with affiliates and publish the information.
Sydney
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:
Wil,
Just for the record, hands-off is the best way to describe our
approach to wikimedia-l moderation. We (the administrators) sometimes
step in when a thread or a poster gets way out of control, but for
this list, that
[Chaging subject line as (1) topic has moved on (2) need to ensure
visibility by rising above the Lila/ Wil never ending story frenzy.]
Hi James
Do we have any figures on retention of new editors? How long does the
average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors stays on for 6
months;
I think this is a good idea, but Im interested in knowing if AffComm intends to
have a more responsive way to address petitions for affiliation. There are a
number of applications stuck in limbo with no indication of how and when they
will be resolved.
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 08:36:09 -0400
Rui Correia, 29/05/2014 15:01:
Do we have any figures on retention of new editors?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearchprofile=advancedsearch=retentionfulltext=Searchns202=1profile=advanced
How long does the
average new editor stay? What percentage of new editors
Ok! I have a training session with Tec de Monterrey students doing community
service on Sat. This will be part of their introduction!
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 01:24:33 -0700
From: l...@wikimedia.org
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1
I wanted
On 29/05/2014, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
...
In the end what retention matters for is
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediansEditsGt5.htm
That is an incredibly useful report.
If like me, most people find this a hard table to remember how to
locate, a link to a
Hello everyone (with apologies for cross-posting),
tl:dr -* Wikimedia UK https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Main_Page and Demos
http://www.demos.co.uk/ are encouraging Wikimedians to participate in an
attempt to crowdsource a submission to a call for evidence on digital
democracy from the Speaker of
Fæ, 29/05/2014 16:07:
Perhaps we should have some more memorable on-wiki short-cuts to link
and find these reports?
I suggested Erik Zachte that we could override the default
[[MediaWiki:statistics-footer]] (which is empty) on all Wikimedia wikis
to link relevant WikiStats reports, but he's
Hi Frederico
Neither of those answers my question. I doesn't tell me whether we are
bleeding new or old members. The reason for an editor of either group to
leave are different. All that that graph shows is that there has been a
frightful drop since 2007.
Rui
2014-05-29 15:28 GMT+02:00
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
Fæ, 29/05/2014 16:07:
Perhaps we should have some more memorable on-wiki short-cuts to link
and find these reports?
I suggested Erik Zachte that we could override the default
[[MediaWiki:statistics-footer]]
We have deeper graphs. I want to be sensitive to our product team's time,
but I am sure they will share when they can.
The short answer -- I believe -- the the community tends to gravitate
towards its current state and loose new editors at a higher rate. This is
not unusual in general of course
On 29 May 2014 15:31, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote:
Neither of those answers my question. I doesn't tell me whether we are
bleeding new or old members. The reason for an editor of either group to
leave are different. All that that graph shows is that there has been a
frightful drop
Suggestion: make this a blog post, then we have something to forward widely.
On 29 May 2014 09:24, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I wanted to share my first editing experience and ask for your help. Here
it is:
Today I have made the first edit on English Wikipedia. As I said in my
Love it.
Look forward to reading the paragraphs (without identifying info) when the
experiment is completed, or at some suitable point in the process. :)
Best
Bishakha
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Ok! I have a training session with Tec de
n 29 May 2014 15:43, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:
We have deeper graphs. I want to be sensitive to our product team's time,
but I am sure they will share when they can.
Hi Lila,
As well as WMF teams, there are quite a few volunteers about who pull
reports from the database or
On May 29, 2014, at 5:41 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
victor,
thats great to read about the impact of the project. the idiegogo link
says it raised 3'370 out of 232'000, the wmf grant link states it
raised 3'000. why there is a difference?
I think that indiegogo
The short answer is that we are reviewing the recognition and renewal
process for user groups right now and ways to expedite the process further.
Now a longer answer for those that are interested... :)
This is an almost constant activity for AffCom and several small changes
continue to be made.
Quick question:
The ultimate goal is for the user group recognition
process to be shortened to a few weeks.
When the user group model was proposed, the idea was that this should
take no more than 15 minutes. What currently takes time?
Sam
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Hi Sam,
If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by
a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under
ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all information being
available at the time of application).
However, currently there
Here's the link to that video:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Editing_makes_me_feel_stupid.ogv
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like a great way to get insight from our new editors :)
If video reactions are desired, I think at one point
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sam,
If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made by
a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30 minutes under
ideal circumstances (a person being 24/7 online, and all
Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this.
Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs?
I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process.
It looks like the main steps are
a) appointing a liaison
b) having some
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Sam,
If all the steps could happen at the same time, and decisions were made
by
a single person, then the process could indeed be done in 30
We are moving toward a process that involves 1-2 people primarily and then
a full vote by the committee (which right now procedurally takes one week).
From my perspective, the delays are often related to confusion over the
process, or failure to actually initiate things with AffCom. We have about
All,
It'd be wonderful to be able to share these stories publicly in the future.
I'm going to reach out to those who have already shared their experiences
with me to confirm they're comfortable with sharing. If you're not
comfortable with sharing your story, or want to withhold your name, please
Thanks so much Leigh -- when you do this please let me know if it is OK to
share publicly. We will be using these to learn about how to best improve
the UX.
L
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Ok! I have a training session with Tec de Monterrey
One has to keep in mind, that we encourage groups to contact us as early
in their group creation phase as possible, which means that the process'
time will include time spent by the applying group on figuring out who they
are and what they want to do.That has not been our (Wiki Borregos)
SJ,
Aside from the questions being on Meta (which they soon will), and the
one-person authority - this is very close to the process we are working
from now.
Bence describes it a bit more, but basically a request comes in, someone is
assigned it, we ask them some questions, if that person feels
As Leigh and people who follow this list and others know, the Wiki Borregos
application has more complications. I do not think rehashing that on this
public list is the best way to resolve that. Leigh, we are discussing it
actively now, and you are welcome to email us for an update. You are
We have been doing all of that including the board members for a year now. This
is the first bit of information Ive had from you in months. This seems to work
a lot faster.
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 15:28:49 -0400
From: gregory.var...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject:
Rodrigo -- what do the bubbles represent in the chart -- countries?
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Pine,
For me, this is just a small and visible part of the iceberg, sadly.
I not will go deeper in that, because I do not have
Apologies for top posting, I'm on my phone...
Mike, this was one of the best emails to this list I've read in a long
time. As someone who has squabbled with you on mailing lists, it's even
better to me.
Take care, sir.
~ Keegan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
On May 29, 2014 5:53
Hi Sam,
El 29/05/2014 10:18 p.m., Sam Klein escribió:
Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this.
Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs?
I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process.
It looks like the
Hi Lila,
My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent
to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the
contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a
particular purpose, if you agree. Otherwise emails are considered
personal
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu wrote:
Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this.
Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs?
I think both becoming and stopping to be a UG should be a simple process.
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu
wrote:
Thanks, Bence and Greg. I appreciate all of the thought going into this.
Can you describe the groups that might have been problematic as UGs?
Hi Leigh,
As Greg just said it, we are all aware that your application has more
complications. We are doing the best we can to speed the process up, but
the AffCom is not the only actor involved in our investigations, as it
is with other cases. We also know that you have included the WMF
On 05/29/2014 03:21 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
*Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia*
Yeay! Grats Zero team for yet another victory bringing Free knowledge
to all people!
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On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Lila,
My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent
to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the
contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a
Hi Nathan, what you're describing is an opt-out practice. I believe that the
practice should be opt-in.
Take this with a grain of salt. I participate in some grantmaking and
administrative
groups and I err on the side of privacy, but I'm fairly confident that the
Privacy
Policy applies in this
another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the
telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality. and another day
where wikimedia foundation helps driving an illegal practice according
european and brazilian laws :(
for the ones in the US, read and file here comments
On 05/29/2014 04:55 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the
telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality.
I would *really* like to hear your reasoning on this, given that there
is absolutely nothing that prevents any telco
I was contacted off-list about this situation by someone who wants to remain
anonymous but has given me permission to forward their input to the list. I am
not a copyright expert and this isn't professional legal advice. It would be
interesting to hear what WMF Legal thinks about republishing
Hi Marc,
zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract
is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a
noble service to give free knowledge to the people.
Free knowledge of the leading global encyclopedia is surely connected with
a totally
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Marc,
zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract
is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a
noble service to give free knowledge to the people.
Free
OK so then why no action, no communication until I write something here?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 22:52:40 +0300
From: ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons
Hi Leigh,
As Greg just said it, we are
Hi Bence -
I'd encourage you to not really factor in 'could this help someone get a
quick grant and run?' in to your decisionmaking processes. The FDC
requires a multiyear track record of successful largescale program
implementation before considering a grant, and I'd think if a UG had that
On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote:
A noble cause
doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic.
In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously
perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to
educational resources for free
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote:
other active GAC members given the
relatively low bar required for UG status - we'll be paying way more
attention at the details of the grant and the applicant(s) than on whether
they have AffCom recognition. I'd
Milos Rancic, 29/05/2014 23:44:
animal rights are not that well
protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU
countries.
Surely they have some studies on what's their compliance with EU
standards by now? Serbia is quite close to entering EU (if you forget
Kosovo).
Hi Leigh,
Actually, we were discussing your group's application even before your
writing here. I do apologize for the lack of communication or clarity,
although there was no news to communicate.
In general, I would advise everyone to be bold in following the
recommendation that is on the Meta
Wonderful! I look forward to hearing something in the next weeks.
From: bdamo...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 00:18:02 +0200
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement affiliates liaisons
Hi Leigh,
Actually, we were discussing your group's
Hi Milos,
I agree with Nemo that finding an additional non-zoo partner would be
a good thing and that it's worth having a close look at the project
with Sofia Zoo, which he linked in his post. Perhaps you could ask the
applicants to review that project and to outline similarities and
differences
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser
markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote:
As we have more than 1 members now
I did not realize WMDE had 1000 active members!
While 1 1000 is true, I just want to stress
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser
markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote:
As we have more than 1 members now
I did not realize WMDE
Hi,
I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos
(moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like
expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo
Hi Marc,
your arguments aren't really factual, but rather emotional. But that's
fair enough.
Giving access to educational resources isn't the same statement as
zero-rating wikipedia - If the mobile providers are willing to give more
open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access
This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in
much greater depth elsewhere:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero
It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the matter, which
does not appear to have been stated publicly yet.
Some related links:
AIUI, the Wikipedia Zero is mostly (not entirely, but mostly)
happening in countries that completely do not have anything like net
neutrality, and where Google and Facebook already subsidise access for
their bytes. It would be nice if Wikimedia could work to strict
neutrality rules in these
Hi Rui,
You raised a lot of questions that I think I might be able to help address.
I'm a research scientist working for the WMF. My research focuses on the
nature of newcomer participation, editor motivation and value production in
Wikipedia. See [1] and [2] (if you have the time) for my most
That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!
Daniel
--
http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications
http://okfn.org
http://wikimedia.org
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM,
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 5:43 AM, C. Scott Ananian
canan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
This is a fascinating discussion, but one which has been addressed in
much greater depth elsewhere:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=net+neutrality+wikipedia+zero
It would indeed be interesting to hear EFF's take on the
Dear all,
The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday,
June 5, 2014 at 6 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office
on irc.freenode.net and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube
stream.
The current structure of the meeting is:
* Review of key
tl;dr Self-nominations invited for four Board-appointed members of the FDC.
Nominate here.[3]
Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
The Funds Dissemination Committee Advisory Group (FDC AG) met recently in
Frankfurt to recommend to the Executive Director (ED) of the Wikimedia
Foundation
On 05/29/2014 08:57 PM, James Salsman wrote:
but it was misplaced because being able to figure out wikitext
is an excellent attribute in new editors
I think that statement fails on two aspects: for one, saying that the
enthusiasm 'was misplaced' is rather premature as VE itself is rather
On 05/29/2014 09:25 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
If not, the Telcos are making a loss.
Why?
I should expect because they expect the goodwill they earn doing so will
turn people into paying customers. Indeed, some of them have been
rather explicit in their expectation that as their customers
participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does
not allow free participation. write emails, search for references,
download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university
stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population,
produced 50%+ of wikipedias
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