Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

Woohoo, data (: I'd love to see the staff and volunteer time info. Thanks, Claudia. This WMF affiliates finance fellows report is pretty interesting and I really do appreciate that this research was done. Hopefully I'll have time to review it in more detail in the next couple of weeks. Thanks, Pi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

Great job and very interesting. I had this tought during sending you data for Wikimedia Polska, so I want to share it here as well. In the report there is no "projects" entry for costs but only "events" and "organizational development". Chapters are doing not only events but also projects leading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

I'm guessing that he's referring to the attendees of a GLAM meeting that was held in Paris a few months ago and is comprehensively documented on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_European_GLAMwiki_Coordinators_meeting Yesterday, I asked the ~15 attendees of that meeting a followup question

[Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

So I have been on the moderation list for this mailing list for 10 months now. In the meantime, I have had perfectly valid e-mails sent to this list rejected without a reason, and my appeal not getting any response whatsoever from the moderators. If this were a wiki, everyone would be shouting th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

I did attempt a getting a discussion going on defining some moderation and appeal guidelines last year on meta, but it died of death after some unfortunately pointy disruptive interventions. At the moment moderation can happen without warning, without a rationale being given when requested and with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

On 9 June 2015 at 12:08, Fæ wrote: > Considering my poor experience on another list of being moderated > without a clear explanation or evidence, This claim is factually inaccurate. You were put on mod on wikimediauk-l after multiple complaints from other readers about repeated obnoxious behavi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

Thanks. Note that secret complaints or allegations that are not shared, are neither evidence nor a clear rationale for the moderated person. An open and transparent process is desirable for everyone. Fae On 9 Jun 2015 13:04, "David Gerard" wrote: > On 9 June 2015 at 12:08, Fæ wrote: > > > Con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

Yes, this mailing list is still alive, and the membership is open to Wikipedians who understand how to jump the hoops of the meta page. The meta page is not only the place where you can sign up for the list, but also the place where you should discuss this list if you object to it in any way. I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] Of Education-coop cabal: what's it, who's it, how one joins it, why is it like that?

Hi Bohdan, Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia Education Program and the Wikipedia Education Collaborative . The Education Collaborative is a group of experienced p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] GLAM Mailing lists

Yes, that's the one I'm about. It's good that all these things are documented at least somewhere but it would be good to have them in one place. I don't think it's a very nice thing when we have almost half a dozen of GLAM lists all documented in different places. It's not very important who ac

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

funny, close list, close decisions, heavy moderation... this is away more present on Wikimedia Movement than should be, but the speech is always the opposite... The "free" is just a slogan, it's not a value... On 9 June 2015 at 09:24, Fæ wrote: > Thanks. > > Note that secret complaints or alle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

The farther you go from actually wiki the more cabals you get. Secret teams, secret decisions, powers in single hand or in hand of a tiny group of people selected by criteria unknown. It goes for lists, chats, social media pages and whatever out-of-wiki stuff. It's too sad why can't wikimedia w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

Thank you for all your supportive feedback, we really appreciate it. @ Tomasz - This is definitely something we will discuss further. We replied to your question on meta and welcome further comments related to this on meta. @ Pine, Claudia - For 2013, the volunteer and staff time spent on applyin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

"on-wiki" and "off-wiki" are concepts that get talked about a lot without critical examination. As I understand it, the issue of something happening "off-wiki" is often that a certain entity (for instance, English Wikipedia's ArbCom) has no ability to enforce what happens off the site, and little a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

See: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and their talk pages. Regards, Richard. On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > Who's ready to take that first step? I'd be happy to engage in > deliberations aroun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation rules for this mailing list

Thank you Richard. Yes, no doubt those are excellent venues for discussing and refining proposals and so forth. But neither one establishes the kind of governance Tomasz has mentioned. For instance, while those pages mention moderation in passing, they don't say anything about: * how moderators are