Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread
Several emails on this topic have been essay length, including some from list moderators. If post limits are halved, this may become more common. Many readers, especially those like me viewing on a phone when scanning through emails, will skip essays which are several screens long. Please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Peter Southwood
Hey, it is nearly the end of the month, I will expend another rationed posting to agree with Gerard on this point because I think it is vitally important. He expresses my sentiments very closely on this point, and although I may disapprove of his tone occasionally, I think he is a fine example

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Natacha Rault
Hello, my short comment on this: the posts are lengthy, and from the outside it is hard to understand what it is all about. It would be great if at some point in long conversations, someone could resume the issues in a short paragraph. Kind regards Nattes à chat > Le 27 août 2017 à 11:17, Fæ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-27 Thread Peter Southwood
At the cost of using up one of my limited number of permitted posts for the month, I agree with this. Cheers, peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Erling Blad Sent: Saturday, 26 August 2017 6:30 PM To: Wikimedia

[Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I was invited to positively give my opinion about the Wikimedia mailinglist and its use by one of the list managers. So the first thing to consider is what is the list for. This is largely a given because of its name; it is to discuss things that are primarily concerned with "Wikimedia" both

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Read Coleman, they are called unintended consequences.. You cannot please everyone. Thanks, GerardM On 27 August 2017 at 11:17, Fæ wrote: > Several emails on this topic have been essay length, including some from > list moderators. If post limits are halved, this

[Wikimedia-l] Picture of the Day / Wikipedias in the languages of Russia

2017-08-27 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
Hello everyone, This is to let community know that I've successfully completed creating "Picture of the Day" templates for Mainpages of various Wikipedias in the languages of Russia See this project description @ https://meta.wikimedia.org/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread Gnangarra
but the information is exactly the same, url, date, author, title - the refn template can include anything you need to add including license detail ie cc-by all of which can be internal or external links On 28 August 2017 at 00:26, John Erling Blad wrote: > Citation and reuse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Gerard You raise some interesting points. I quite agree that this list is a useful venue where one can discuss overarching strategic issues and where senior WMF staff and trustees are able to engage with community members about those issues. I myself have had some quite productive discussions

[Wikimedia-l] Some news from Wikimédia France

2017-08-27 Thread Envel Le Hir
(English translation is available below) Bonjour, Samuel Le Goff, président de Wikimédia France, m'a demandé d'assister à la réunion des président-e-s des organisations affiliées à la fondation Wikimedia [1], réunion qui a eu lieu le 12 août pendant Wikimania, parce qu'aucun membre du conseil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 August 2017 at 17:40, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > One issue I have observed is that list members in their zeal to be helpful > can sometimes obscure the issue. For example, if one asks "What is the > Foundations policy on X?", it is apt to start up a discussion about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread John Erling Blad
Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and in this case nor the author. The license is the contract with the author and the reason why the text can be copied. If the license says the author shall be identified, the by attribution clause, then a link to the site is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread Gnangarra
that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation where the text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Refn On 27 August 2017 at 22:22, John Erling Blad wrote: > Use of a template does not accurately identify the copied text, and in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread John Erling Blad
Citation and reuse is two different things. On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Gnangarra wrote: > that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation where the > text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Template:Refn > > On 27 August 2017

[Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread John Erling Blad
In some cases we need to attribute content created on external sites, and reused on Wikimedia-sites. In Norway Åndsverksloven says "The creator has the right to be named according to good practice" ("Opphavsmannen har krav på å bli navngitt slik som god skikk tilsier") and for our content that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread Gnangarra
There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on en at least specifically for the purpose of incorporating text licensed cc-by content within articles On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad wrote: > In some cases we need to attribute content created on