Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-25 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on license. So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :) lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities

[Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
A few hours ago, a year after the discussion on this list about editor retention and communication,[1] email notification[2] of edits to watchlisted pages has been enabled on all Wikimedia projects — at last! Until yesterday, only 16 lucky content projects, including Commons (plus a bunch of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Bod Notbod, 28/04/2012 01:29: So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit? No, one email per watchlisted *page* edited. If there are hundreds of edits to a single page, you'll receive only one email. Andrew Gray, 28/04/2012 01:46: On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use

2012-05-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, is neither wise nor ethical. On the other hand, this is what happens (o could have happened) in other parts of the Terms of use which apply to /users/ (not their contributions)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Sumana Harihareswara, 16/05/2012 17:23: When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people create accounts on Wikimedia sites. To prevent spamming/vandalism, ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created from one IP address in a single day. But

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-20 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tobias, 21/05/2012 01:32: On 05/17/2012 07:22 PM, Tom Morris wrote: You forgot one biggie: he has run the London Wikipedia meetup which first started in June 2004 has now met 57 times. Hong Kong has met more often, but London is, I believe, the Original and Best (in all 57 varieties).*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Gerard, 13/06/2012 23:02: On-wiki, I see it being used in naming convention arguments for years, as early as April 2005. Yeah, that's arguably a user interface issue (with arguments being somewhat alleviated by a forest of redirects). I see it's been commonly used around user interface

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused. Still am, actually. Did this paragraph have a serious point at all? I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point was, I think, that no software is perfect (not even parents' brain) and that parents

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with any specific model of what it is they want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 13/06/2012 20:37: In my view, no. I think we need to balance the risk argument for anonymity (dissidents, whistleblowers, people editing topics they wouldn't want to be publicly associated with, etc.) with the benefits of partial anonymity. Among these benefits I'd cite the many news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endangered languages, a new project by Google

2012-06-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Samuel Klein, 21/06/2012 16:07: Brilliant. The WM language committee and/or lenguasoriginarias might want to apply to join the Alliance for Linguistic Diversity. http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/about/#about_alliance Are they actually doing something or is this only a showcase-site/forum?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 26/06/2012 03:55: There are sometimes good reasons for holding office hours consistently at a specific time, most particularly if there is a desire to draw in editors from a certain geographic area, or if that is the time that a specific language group finds most convenient. [...]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

2012-06-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Dalton, 29/06/2012 00:32: On 28 June 2012 23:26, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should debate what is and isn't thread hijacking, and when it may or may not be appropriate. The weather today in London was wonderful. Also, this thread is a valuable example of what the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-07-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Michael Peel, 01/07/2012 23:39: Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l? The list is meant to be low traffic compared to wikitech-l, which is currently (by far) the highest traffic list we have; so, still quite high traffic. Moreover, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help decide about more than $10 million of movement funds in the coming year

2012-07-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Only ten millions? This sounds wrong. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMIT bulletin no. 33: June 20, 2012

2012-07-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The new editorial team has produced a new issue of Wikimedia Italia's bulletin, shortened for the sake of clarity to the public at large. English version follows and is available on the wiki http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Wikimedia_news/numero_33/en Please let us know if you find this format

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tobias Oelgarte, 05/07/2012 00:28: Not really. The first big protests started at the end of the year 2011, while the blackout was from 18th to 19th January 2012. But in some way it might have helped to strengthen the protests and to prolong the duration. This says something about it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-07-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 11/07/2012 15:40: And the possible change would be for wikitech-ambassadors to become a medium-to-high-traffic, plain English, list for discussion between developers and Wikimedia users, to report issues, share ideas and provide feedback in unapologetically layman terms. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

2012-07-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
ENWP Pine, 07/07/2012 11:32: 2. May I ask what the rationale is for proposing that global bans be decided via global community consensus on Meta, instead what appears to be the status quo of stewards making decisions about global bans based on requests at SRG? This is very simple. Global

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Further resolutions from board meeting of 11 July 2012

2012-07-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Bishakha Datta, 20/07/2012 18:43: The minutes from four board meetings held on 21 March (IRC), 30-31 March (in-person), May 7 (IRC), June 6 (IRC) were also approved. These are available at:http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

2012-07-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 14:28: I am unaware of what the shortcomings of the current system are and where any improvements would be felt. This makes it a bit hard to have a firm opinion of the trade-offs involved with changing the system. So what exactly are the problems people are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

2012-07-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 19:27: On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 14:28: I am unaware of what the shortcomings of the current system are and where any improvements would be felt. This makes it a bit hard to have a firm opinion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Grant Advisory Committee Expanded

2012-07-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
As the GAC doesn't actually take any decision, nor handles any private data (it seems), I don't see why it should require identification. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Morton, 25/07/2012 22:04: We also need to be understanding of the 99% - the ones who just want to read. Our interface should suit the reader - with a prominent prompt to edit. Which once clicked opens things up into the world of editing Wikipedia. But if you don't click that prompt then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania Scholarships process

2012-07-25 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jessie Wild, 26/07/2012 00:54: Hello everyone! We are in need of revamping the Wikimania Scholarships Process, and your help is needed! Please participate in the discussion on meta[1]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Scholarships There's plenty of feedback also on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Keegan Peterzell, 29/07/2012 08:29: For editing, that is. I have what I presume to be my obituary on the wiki: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Kpeterzell The situation of WMFwiki is indeed frustrating, but could we avoid OT in this thread? Unless it's a subtle strategy to make the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Florence Devouard, 29/07/2012 13:37: But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is probably true. But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content, but also lot's of crap being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 20:27: In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: We’ve hosted key community stakeholders such as English Wikipedia’s ArbCom and Portuguese Wikipedia’s top contributors, in an effort to better understand and respond to issues they're facing. (page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 21:35: I'm not sure I like the idea of key community stakeholders Well, this sends us back to Tom Morris' classic post: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-February/118759.html But that's a different topic. Is it really only a problem of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Dalton, 29/07/2012 23:01: On 29 July 2012 21:52, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Our blog post reporting back on the trip to Brazil is here, in English and Portuguese: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/22/brazil-meetups-march/ That reads like it was a meeting with a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28: Regarding the normal levels, I suppose you haven't yet had a chance to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ? Yes and it shows that there's still an increase over the pre-WLM situation. Actually I was reading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
phoebe ayers, 30/07/2012 18:52: I'm not sure if in the long term focusing on specific language communities and recruiting fellows is the sustainable answer for the WMF -- actually I'm pretty sure it isn't -- but I also don't think it can hurt to try and build a deep (and as Amir notes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 31/07/2012 08:35: Hello, There are many projects in small languages. People want to develop them, but are often not sure what should they do. Even something basic like improve existing pages and write new ones may not be obvious. Is there something like a task list for new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Deryck Chan, 31/07/2012 12:23: In addition, village pump, admin noticeboard and help desks are overrated; they're much better dealt with being one centralised discussion board to begin with, then split if there's adequate participation. Overrated? Most wikis don't have any of those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-07-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Milos Rancic, 31/07/2012 12:53: On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: * Create useful templates, like {{welcome}, {{citation needed}}, {{infobox}}, {{delete}} etc. Wikidata should fix the issue with templates. Thus, soon the manual should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI+ certification proposal

2012-08-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Yann Forget, 01/08/2012 13:13: I have suggested some basic rules about this on the French WP, but not only they were blankly rejected, but I was barred from mentioning the whole subject. The first step against CoI is making the editors conscious that, because of their profession, background,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A task list for a beginning project

2012-08-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
MZMcBride, 01/08/2012 03:10: [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BOTOVERUSE#History has most of the history, though I could swear a project or two has been restarted due to bots over-running the site. Does anyone have a citation for that? A citation for what? Anyway, the section seems correct

[Wikimedia-l] Board pages on WMF wiki

2012-08-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
A few days ago, along with the new trustee's biographies, a lengthy text has been added (three times) to https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Board_of_Trusteesoldid=83125, under the mysterious title Tenure Accomplishments, mentioning an unheard-of new format for bios. As this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Richard Farmbrough, 08/16/2012 11:56 AM: The key improvement needed (and WAP has made this evident to more people) is to stop wasting real estate on more and more nested top bars and side bars. Even with a modern 15.2 inch laptop many pages have threir contents squeezed enough by the OS,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikiEN-l] Stocking personal details

2012-08-20 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
charles andrès, 08/20/2012 12:27 PM: WTF? What the link between WMF finances and the topic? And by the way are you talking about the movement finances or the foundation finances, because it's not the same thing. Besides, we're supposed to have higher privacy standards than, say, Google and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Alice Wiegand, 23/08/2012 23:55: And here's a very short note about the next steps: The board is reviewing the RfC and its talk page over the next week. We are going to share our thoughts with you soon on the RfC's talk page. Please feel free to leave comments there, that's still possible and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering August 2012 report

2012-09-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tilman Bayer, 05/09/2012 02:52: Rupert raises an interesting point. How many people prefer such mailing list announcements of new reports to include a plaintext version of the report itself? Usually I'm very more likely to read something if it's directly in the email, however long; a link

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Once concluded, the RFC process revealed the community’s desire to see a new travel project created. The Wikimedia Foundation Board supports the community’s decision and is moving forward with the creation of this new project. Is this a valid announcement from the WMF board before the official

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
FT2, 12/09/2012 11:13: 1) Does IB believe there is a legal basis that members of the public (in the absence of contractual obligation) cannot consider where they and their fellow hobbyists want to engage in a hobbyisyt activity, be it drinking beer, discussing philosophy, playing cards, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
FT2, 12/09/2012 13:09: 2. A clerk is an employee with a contractual obligation of loyalty. Nobody is suggesting that is the case here, or an IB staffer was involved. Nobody except IB of course. Deryck Chan, 12/09/2012 12:42: I'm glad that WMF has decided to file a counter-suit and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Well, this was discussed at length in 2010 (one of the threads was started by yourself): e.g. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/45758 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/46089 The big question is still valid: just hiding what's found to be used less makes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] commons promotion

2012-09-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 19/09/2012 10:35: Yes, this is definitely an issue. My recollection was that the unwanted content issue was seen as secondary to the debates about placement, but it's many years ago ;-) Agree entirely on testing and having a sense of the cost-benefit ratio. One feature of the old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

2012-09-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
it.wiki is extremely strict as regards usernames which contain or equal the names of entities or internet domains (blocked on sight); editing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged but not forbidden; COI is a tough matter and there are no clear rules. Discussions on similar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transparency about Wikimania costs

2012-09-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Itzik Edri, 21/09/2012 21:33: I published here Wikimania 2011 costs income: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/2011/Budget Thank you very much for starting this discussion and publishing this. In the past I've had a really hard time finding some data, e.g. for 2009 all I found is this:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access catastrophic for Elsevier

2012-09-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Cristian Consonni, 27/09/2012 00:40: 2012/9/26 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:08 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Coordinating people to write encyclopedias was expensive. Well, until 2001. I'll have a tshirt with this. Mee too, mee too. -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia engineering August 2012 report

2012-10-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Guillaume Paumier, 03/10/2012 17:36: I'm happy to do that, but do Wikimedia mailing lists support HTML e-mails? We receive them all the time, I suppose so (although sometimes pipermail will move the HTML to an attachment). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
In short, don't worry about what's core or non core, those are just words (like calling horses fishes and vice versa). The WMF runs the FDC process and of course decides also what are its boundaries. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

2012-10-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Dario Taraborelli, 12/10/2012 15:41: On Oct 12, 2012, at 2:11, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: we have some preliminary usage data coming from the FeedbackPage: http://toolserver.org/~dartar/fp/ Graphs are empty for me there, is it just me? We have a temporary hardware issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

2012-10-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
phoebe ayers, 14/10/2012 21:19: Also, not to state the obvious, but 'helpful' feedback in and of itself doesn't mean the article changed for the better; I've marked plenty of feedback 'helpful' without doing anything further about it. Is there any data about rate of change of the articles since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

2012-10-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks for the notice. Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 19:07: A bit of background: Wikimedia thematic organisations are a new type of movement organisation, that are similar to chapters in supporting the Wikimedia mission through their activities in the real world, but instead of focusing on a given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

2012-10-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Bence Damokos, 14/10/2012 22:05: See also the specific discussions on this question at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Other http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Medicine#Liability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iridescent#arbitrary_break_2 (and above)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

2012-10-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
James Heilman, 14/10/2012 22:18: Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One does not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws [...] Actually, chapters do and very clearly, as a general rule.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Throttling (was: Re: Please can someone put 50p in the meter)

2012-10-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
WereSpielChequers, 15/10/2012 09:56: 60 edits a minute sounds high, and probably faster than most of these sessions run at, but not if it is as I suspect, calculated every few seconds. It's not, as far as I can see. This is how it works: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgRateLimits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copy and paste

2012-10-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
How hard would it be to set up a tool like the software that as far as I know the MIT uses to automatically check plagiarism among thesis etc. submitted to their digital library, checking the text of all Wikimedia projects against e.g. newspaper websites and Google Books, and then publishing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming: WMF metrics/activities meeting - November 1

2012-10-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nice. Erik Moeller, 19/10/2012 01:28: [1] I'm open to just using #wikimedia or another channel if folks would prefer that, but didn't want to assume that it's OK to hog the channel :) #wikimedia is surely perfect, especially if you want to attract attention of idlers without disturbing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and tech people

2012-10-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Gerard, 26/10/2012 11:06: Note the suggestion: set aside $1m of tech resources for community-chosen work. Heck, projects other than Wikipedia might get the slightest attention. WMDE has done this since 2010 with WissenWert and they budgeted 250.000 € for 2013, they'd surely have the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Improving dialogue between editors and tech people

2012-10-26 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nicole Ebber, 26/10/2012 13:11: Thanks, Nemo, but WissensWert is not the same as the Community Project Budget. WissensWert is a contest for projects also from out of the Wikimedia scope and with a budget of less than 5.000 Euros per project. http://wikimedia.de/wiki/Wissenswert Community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Romney and copyright

2012-10-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
MZMcBride, 29/10/2012 16:12: Regarding Mr. Romney in particular, he seems to be very pro-corporation/pro-business, so I don't expect any major changes to copyright law should he be elected President. You mean except extension of copyright protection over Mickey Mouse to 120 years? :p Nemo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-11-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
ENWP Pine, 01/11/2012 10:14: Since we're veering anyway, I would like to make a distinction between providing openness and providing notice. To the best of my ability to see, Sue's deliberations weren't announced here on Wikimedia-l by anyone from WMF. There's nothing strange in this, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Just reiterating for the n-th time on this list that people would appreciate if you publicly shared draft bylaws amendments before approving them. The consistent lack of transparency in such fundamental decisions within the WMF is always astonishing. After the fact, I'd appreciate a readable

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikivoyage EDP draft

2012-11-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
In the meanwhile there are other drafts to review. ;-) Nemo Messaggio originale Oggetto: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] Migration update Data: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:23:16 -0400 Mittente: Powers ltpowers_w...@rochester.rr.com Rispondi-a: Wikivoyage Mailing List

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Bishakha Datta, 02/11/2012 17:08: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Benjamin Lees wrote: This doesn't seem too unreasonable in itself, but it is somewhat surprising that you didn't readjust the board's composition accordingly. The justification for having unelected seats is to ensure that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-11-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thomas Dalton, 03/11/2012 13:51: Transparency is necessary for democracy, but it is only one part of it. I think Lodewijk wants to discuss ways of involving the community in the Foundation's governance, not just ways to keep it informed. On the other hand, transparency's true aim is to involve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-11-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Ilario Valdelli, 03/11/2012 14:11: For this reason I would not speak about democracy because there are people in the WMF board elected by the communities and by the chapters. I would speak about transparency in order to give to these representatives the opportunity to be clearer. As Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-11-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anders Wennersten, 03/11/2012 14:43: [...] undramatize the role of the Board Frankly, I think it's certainly not needed to dramatize it even less than it currently is (i.e. to increase its rubberstamping hall appearance). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-11-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anders Wennersten, 03/11/2012 15:32: I do no understand. If they have a rubberstamping hall appearance who is then perceived as having the power to decide. And do you mean the preparation process is so excellent so no direct action is needed by the Board (which I would take to be the ultimate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 06/11/2012 03:26: On 5 November 2012 20:01, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Bylaw changes are never housekeeping. [snp] Somewhere in 500,000 bytes, do you really think there was any likelihood that there would have been anything posted that would have improved this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Risker, 06/11/2012 09:40: On 6 November 2012 03:07, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Errr. No. At least historically, this is incorrect. Michael Davis was the first treasurer of the board (appointed by Jimbo at the beginning of the WMF). After some time, Michael announced his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thank you, Erik. Before (or rather than) commenting, I have a single question below; the rest of the email is just a premise+addendum to it. ;-) Terry Chay, 07/11/2012 21:04: You aren't the only one. It turns out we use a lot of industry terminology, without realizing that we are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [Tech/Product] Engineering/Product org structure

2012-11-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Sue Gardner, 08/11/2012 07:03: I kind of have the sense that people are considering this a done deal. [...] So to be super-clear: None of this is a done deal at this moment. Lots of conversations are happening in various places, and it's all good. That's why Erik made the pre-announcement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-11-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Roland Unger, 17/10/2012 11:11: It's correct that the dumps of all languages from August 2012 are available at Wikivoyage saved as XML files. But these files could not be used to publish them immediately because they contain a lot of spam which must be removed by the community before. But the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-11-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Roland Unger, 12/11/2012 07:46: Hi folks, the Wikivoyage e.V. got the xml files of more language versions, I think also for es, fi, hu, ja, pl, pt, ro and zh from user Wrh2. Where are they? Again, please publish them. I saw pt running. The initStats maintenance scripts for pt shows:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Lodewijk, 15/11/2012 23:28: Some people told me that the other reasons were obvious if I would have read the plans. I strongly disagree that reading the proposals should be necessary to understand the decision of the FDC. [...] Don't worry, reading the entities' proposals and associated talks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A place for project wide discussions

2012-11-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
on Meta-Wiki Data: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:25:05 +0100 Mittente: Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com A: Wikivoyage Mailing List wikivoyag...@lists.wikimedia.org I've moved [[Travel Guide]] to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage per talk request. Now https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A place for project wide discussions

2012-11-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 16/11/2012 16:43: On 16 November 2012 15:30, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: But I think the point (at leat originally) was not so much to have the global discussion forum or the global village pump, but to have a common place for Wikivoyage discussions, which so far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for consultation on proposed guidelines relating to potential conflicts of interest in requesting Wikimedia resources

2012-12-21 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
There are already a few questions on the talk page. Mbingu Safidi, 21/12/2012 16:07: is Wikimedia Foundation interested in involving communities that don't speak English in this consultation? Involving more communities is always a good thing, but (for the sake of clarity) as far as I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] proposed urgent Board of Trustees resolution without a meeting

2012-12-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Ahem. :-) James Salsman, 24/12/2012 07:33: [snip] whereas because of their low levels of compensation, junior foundation technical staff are often unable to afford housing which does not involve a lengthy commute from unsavory neighborhoods;[11] (Only) this interested me. Too bad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Leinonen Teemu, 29/12/2012 15:20: Hi, I think the thematic organizations are good for the movement. Could the naming of the affiliated thematic organizations be primary based on the Wikipedia Portal namespaces (from all the Wikipedia's in different languages)? See

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Ziko van Dijk, 29/12/2012 17:36: I'm confident to see soon a Wikimedia Medicine as the model for some other thematic organizations, and I am curious how it will evolve. Maybe I will never understand what is a foundation in the US. In the Netherlands or Germany, we distinguish between an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annual Audit of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-12-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Michael Snow, 28/12/2012 00:12: Donor funds need to be managed wisely, but simply performing a Google search for the best interest rates is not all that useful a tool here. If somebody wants to come to Garfield and tell him, I've had some of my own money in a CD with Bank or Credit Union X for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annual Audit of the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-01-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Garfield Byrd, 26/12/2012 21:30: The annual audit of the Wikimedia Foundation, for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2012 and the corresponding FAQ have been posted on the financial reportshttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Financial_reports page of the Wikimedia Foundation web site. Please

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Erik Moeller, 04/01/2013 08:02: I'm wondering whether the key findings in Halfaker's recent rise and decline paper resonate with you: http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ Existing data like the above supports strongly the notion that well-intentioned, good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nikola Smolenski, 08/01/2013 10:30: On 05/01/13 04:47, Tim Starling wrote: For example, requiring phone number verification for new users from developed countries would be less damaging. I don't see how is this supposed to help (and I don't think most new users would want to do this; I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nikola Smolenski, 08/01/2013 13:10: In general, as far as we know captchas are currently not stopping spammers at all, while effectively stopping many legitimate (less Care to elaborate? Do we know how are spammers avoiding captchas (by software or by humans)? How come other websites don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Gerard, 09/01/2013 00:32: On 8 January 2013 23:27, Kim Bruningk...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: I think that the requirements for a wiki (open, welcoming, anyone can edit, eventualism) are always going to be at tension vs the requirements for an encyclopedia (reliable, good sourcing, etc).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Fred Bauder, 08/01/2013 19:41: It's the worst kept secret in the world that you can hire people to decode your captchas -- http://decaptcha.biz/ for example. Better captchas don't work because you are competing against people and if people can't solve the captcha ... Middle name of Jimmy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andreas Kolbe, 10/01/2013 17:24: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The main pattern, ie a turning point in 2007, is the same in all projects, and almost in all language versions of them: [...] Actually, Nemo, I don't think that is right at all. If you look

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Featuring the edit tab in Vector (by making it red)

2013-01-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 11/01/2013 10:34: * moving their positioning (eg, to beside the header text, as is done on fr.wp This has been known to be needed for years, but it waiting for some coding. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/2012-November/000215.html Nemo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot has now started to generate 1-1, 5 M articles of species on sv:wp

2013-01-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Quim Gil, 11/01/2013 18:42: On 01/11/2013 08:45 AM, Anders Wennersten wrote: Inspired by the botgenerated articles of species made on nl:wp in late 2010 a colleague of mine, User:Lsj, started a similar project on sv:wp early 2012. By October 2012 his bot had generated some 65 000 articles, with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead

2013-01-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This is the worst news of last year for Wikimedia, Aaron has been a genial and precious member of our community. But nothing really meaningful can be said or done now... Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 15% off merchandise today at the Wikimedia Shop

2013-01-14 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
James Alexander, 14/01/2013 10:44: The test planned for tomorrow (for Anonymous users in North America, without a discount) is mostly to see the potential for this to fund the Giveaway program we've been running ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merchandise_giveaways ) that is a run away

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harvard urges Elsevier boycott

2013-01-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Gerard, 15/01/2013 09:30: On 15 January 2013 08:26, Andrea Zannizanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: * the folks at archiveteam set up this: http://aaronsw.archiveteam.org/ It is not properly legal, read it all. Note, btw, that this page was set up for humorous purposes - the papers it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harvard urges Elsevier boycott

2013-01-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nikola Smolenski, 15/01/2013 09:59: On 15/01/13 09:50, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: I'm also an ArchiveTeam member, and the JSTOR liberator was definitely NOT set up for humorous purposes: it's a serious project, and everyone should consider joining. For the occasion, it also gives people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot has now started to generate 1-1, 5 M articles of species on sv:wp

2013-01-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anders Wennersten, 12/01/2013 12:20: We had a very lengthy dissusion of course with all the common arguments. We were and are as negative as all others to the botgeneration of articles from other language versions as was done around 2008. During our discussion we evolved the concept quite a bit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot has now started to generate 1-1, 5 M articles of species on sv:wp

2013-01-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks for the reply. Anders Wennersten, 15/01/2013 12:15: Federico Leva (Nemo) skrev 2013-01-15 11:02: Anders Wennersten, 12/01/2013 12:20: Could you elaborate on this evolution of the concept? I'm not able to see what's new, from the titles in parentheses. This bot puts a template in all

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