Cheers Bachounda & Yaroslav!
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 1:47 PM Mohammed Bachounda
wrote:
> Thanks Zack,
>
> Hoping that it will boost the project.
>
> Best
>
> Le mer. 5 août 2020 à 20:49, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :
>
> > Thank you Zack for the update, much appreciated.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Ya
Thanks Zack,
Hoping that it will boost the project.
Best
Le mer. 5 août 2020 à 20:49, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :
> Thank you Zack for the update, much appreciated.
>
> Best regards
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:14 PM Zack McCune wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Heather Walls and
Thank you Zack for the update, much appreciated.
Best regards
Yaroslav
On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:14 PM Zack McCune wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> Heather Walls and I met with much of the Board of Trustees on July 28 to
> provide an informational briefing on the strategy, history, and process of
>
Hello everyone,
Heather Walls and I met with much of the Board of Trustees on July 28 to
provide an informational briefing on the strategy, history, and process of
the Brand Project. We shared milestones up until recent events including
the RfC, the open letter, and the survey (but not survey resu
And, how might one view it?
Todd
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 11:29 AM Zack McCune wrote:
> Hello all -
>
> A quick update on timing: this Board briefing has been rescheduled for July
> 28th.
>
> thanks,
>
> - Zack
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 6:24 AM João Alexandre Peschanski <
> joa...@gmail.com>
>
Hello all -
A quick update on timing: this Board briefing has been rescheduled for July
28th.
thanks,
- Zack
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 6:24 AM João Alexandre Peschanski
wrote:
> Thanks for the update Nataliia. I hope he or she is feeling better. Best,
> João
>
> Em qua., 8 de jul. de 2020 às 14
Thanks for the update Nataliia. I hope he or she is feeling better. Best,
João
Em qua., 8 de jul. de 2020 às 14:44, Nataliia Tymkiv
escreveu:
> Hello! Just a quick update: the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees was
> notified by staff on the night of July 7th that the briefing of July 8th
>
Hello! Just a quick update: the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees was
notified by staff on the night of July 7th that the briefing of July 8th
needs to be rescheduled because of the illness of one of the key staff
members. We are looking for a new date before the August board meeting, and
we
Thank you Nat,
Thank you for pushing up the timeline a bit on having this conversation - I
agree that it's probably better not to stretch the conversation too much,
before an updated process is decided upon.
Will you invite any other people to present additional information to the
board? I think
Hi Zack,
I filled out a survey request for "The Wiki Foundation".
Some of the text of the survey indicated that the legal department thought
that there could be a problem with that possibility, but didn't say why, so
I asked for the source for the claim I quoted in the survey.
How many questions
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 6:36 AM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it
> warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not
> argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the
> exchange
Agreed.
Gerard, WSC is a fantastic advocate for our projects, I recall us
working together on the first Commons based editathon many years ago,
it was a privilege to become friends with someone genuinely passionate
for public education and open knowledge.
These personal comments are misleading an
> does seem to me to be a mistake. So "if you want to change your name,
> don't
> > change it to Wikipedia, Wiki or to something you can't trademark" is
> also a
> > position, I suspect it is stronger than "no name change is necessary".
&
ect, unfortunately they did not
> identify a cure.
> Cheers,
> P
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> Sent: 29 June 2020 12:36
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wiki
-l] Board update on Branding: next steps
Hoi,
Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it
warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not
argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the
exchange of arguments when you do
So far it has been an ongoing process. No obvious reason to expect a change.
Cheers,
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Dan Szymborski
Sent: 28 June 2020 18:13
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board
It's not rocket science, ask an advertising/PR consulting company what they
think about renaming, they are going to go with the easiest option that's
the best known identity. It's a no brainer exercise of take the money and
run.
There is more to this community/movement than its choice of name, t
Hoi,
Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it
warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not
argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the
exchange of arguments when you do not allow for reading and commenting on
w
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:56 AM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the choices
> made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects and
> you make that plain in what you say.
>
This sort of assumption-making about other lis
position, I suspect it is stronger than "no name change is necessary".
>
>
> Regards
>
> WereSpielChequers
>
>
>
> Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 02:27:11 +0300
> > From: Nataliia Tymkiv
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subj
omething you can't trademark" is also a
> position, I suspect it is stronger than "no name change is necessary".
>
>
> Regards
>
> WereSpielChequers
>
>
>
> Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 02:27:11 +0300
> > From: Nataliia Tymkiv
Question about the timeline: will the community's opinions be ignored at
the July or at the August meeting? Or is this considered a continual
process? This information would help people with their planning.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:37 PM Zack McCune wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We want to confirm tha
affected parties.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Nataliia Tymkiv
> Sent: 27 June 2020 01:27
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next
, 27 Jun 2020 02:27:11 +0300
> From: Nataliia Tymkiv
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps
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brought up
so many times by so many interested and affected parties.
Cheers,
Peter
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Nataliia Tymkiv
Sent: 27 June 2020 01:27
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on
: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps
Dear all,
We want to confirm that the Brand Project team has been directed by the
Board to develop new branding options and to evaluate those options with
communities. We invite your perspectives.
We are asking that you continue to participate in the
Dear all,
We want to confirm that the Brand Project team has been directed by the
Board to develop new branding options and to evaluate those options with
communities. We invite your perspectives.
We are asking that you continue to participate in the process which
includes completing the survey,
"but with more than 700 respondents it is not methodologically sound to
change the survey now"
This is preposterous and incredibly disrespectful to the community. It is
not methodologically sound to continue a biased survey. If the Board and
WMF truly want a methodologically sound survey, they wou
Greetings,
The timeline is pretty clear. Glad to know about the special board meeting
in early July. Other than the open letter there was a straw poll also:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Community_feedback_and_straw_poll
The early July b
Dear all,
I want to share with you the next steps of the Wikimedia Foundation Board
of Trustees about the Brand Project.
Originally the Board meeting dedicated to the brand project was supposed to
happen no earlier than October. The expected outcome from the project were
the recommendations on wh
I recognise and again apologise for confusing the actions of two different
Board members that represent the "community".
I have directly contacted Nataliia and apologised in person, and offered to
do what she requests to make amends for the statement.I had no
intention to participate in this a
I tend to agree with Nathan here. I don't know the history of the event
described, so I'm not sure whether or not it would be fair to bring up even
if it had been Natalia. But certainly, publicly identifying the incorrect
person in an accusation is no small thing.
Gnangarra, you have given yoursel
Considering the context, Gnangarra, I think you owe something a little more
substantial. In the midst of tearing Nat down for misdeeds which you
yourself acknowledge she didn't personally commit (that of Board
miscommunication), and considering your opposition is based on Board
directives that she
I second Jan-Bart; thanks to Nat for this letter. As someone who asked for
a board statement, I appreciate this very much. And as someone who has also
been on the other side, like Jan-Bart I am aware of how much work a
statement like this likely took (and how difficult it is to balance many
perspec
Brad: this was brilliant, thank you.
I have been thinking about how to phrase this all week, and you touched it
with a needle.
The Foundation's one undelegable role is to protect the community identity
through its marks.
That is a foundation upon which all else rests.
There are many ways we can
Thank you, Nataliia, for stepping forward and clearing out some of the
confusion. That helps.
But not all the confusion gets cleared for me regarding the survey process.
For example, X marks Option 1 as 'Disagree' and Option 2 as 'Strongly
Disagree'. The score points for 'Disagree' is -1 and 'Stro
And there never was any insult or anything close to that, just a
misunderstanding, which I believe was clarified.
A terça, 23 de jun de 2020, 08:56, revi escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra 작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate t
My apologies for that error
On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 15:56, revi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra 작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> > nomination.
>
> Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
>
>
> https://meta.wik
That one first, and second that it does not even matter. We should
appreciate that Nat came up with this statement, which is written in her
name, not even as a Board resolution, perfectly knowing that it would not
be fully accepted by the active part of the community, and she woull be a
target of a
Hi,
> 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra 작성:
>
> Nat insulted an ESEAP
> affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> nomination.
Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Nominations/Shani_Evenstein
>
> (Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra
seems to think, but by the affiliates.)
Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean accepting and
acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to do to rectify
that failing.
I know Nat was
(Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra
seems to think, but by the affiliates.)
Jan-Bart de Vreede escreveu no dia segunda,
22/06/2020 à(s) 17:26:
> Hi Gnangarra
>
> I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
> because of the common
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Jan-Bart de Vreede
wrote:
> Hi Gnangarra
>
> I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
> because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of
> Board members of the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
>
>
Resigning is preci
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM Gnangarra wrote:
>
> I think its fair to call for you to stand aside since taking full
> responsibility for the failing to communicate the Boards actions with the
> community and the communities position with the Board.
>
>
Really, no.
We want Board members who a
Hi Gnangarra
I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of Board
members of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Quoting from the excellent Wikimedia Board Handbook(1)
"WMF is an entrusted steward within
From the beginning, WMF vs. Wikipedia has been the dynamic tension between
structure and the community. I was one of the strongest advocates of
structure. Fundraising and the US-centric approach were the core beliefs
for WMF, as a means of guaranteeing survival when survival was a couple of
hundred
This explanation has gone a long way from ensuring this isn't a movement,
it's not considering us as a community either, there's no concept of
collaboration, nor seeking of consensus, and this is tearing down the
Foundation of what made Wikipedia what it is so it's probably not good to
use that eit
Hi Natalii (and everyone)
Thank you for this mail. I know this was hard to write, also knowing that it
will be dissected by a lot of people who will read it with a perspective all of
their own.
Having been on the other side of the fence I know how hard it is to (re)gain
trust after mistakes h
Hoi,
Please take a step back. The Wikimedia Foundation is incorporated in a way
specifically designed to prevent the community from taking over. The
problem with the community is that there is no community as such; there is
a movement that includes different communities with different needs and
wit
Hi Nataliia,
Thank you for your statement as the current Chair of WMF Board of Trustees.
If the Wikimedia Foundation wants to change its name and if it has the
right to do whatever it can, then I can just hope that WMF has considered
all the consequences. But I am confused on how affiliates are d
Thank you Nat. I'm Dutch, and the Dutch are known to be direct, and even I
find your extensive statement direct. That was your intent to do. Thanks, I
welcome that. I know nearly every other culture would prefer less direct
communication.
As an employer you have a duty to protect your employees ag
Greetings,
Hope my mail finds you in the best of health and spirit. I like to take the
opportunity to thank you for a penning a detailed email with clarification.
Yes, we all looking forward for a better possible outcome.
Stay healthy and be safe.
Best Regards,
Rajeeb.
(U: Marajozkee)
(Sent f
OK, you say that you take "full responsibility" for the situation. What
exactly does "full responsibility" entail? How will the relations between
the board and the communities differ compared to the moment *before* full
responsibility was taken?
Is the board changing the degree to which it will co
What did the legal department have to say about The Wiki Foundation?
Will Ward end up with that one?
Does the executive staff and Board have a position on supporting the
.ia domain name for the Internet Archive, with the provision that
wikiped.ia is assigned to the Foundation in perpetuity?
Best
Hi Nat,
Thank you very much for managing to put out a statement in a reasonable
timeframe, despite the harsh conditions most of all endure now. I can only
imagine how hard it has been to get to that.
Above all, thank you a lot for the sincerity and for the courage on taking
a blame that I'm certai
Greetings,
Thanks for working on this response. I thank you and the board for the care
you have shown in this email. The upcoming August meeting is going to be an
important one, as I understand from the email. We will look forward to its
outcomes.
There have been concerns that opinions or voices ha
Dear all,
As Acting Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees since March
[1] I take full responsibility for this situation. I am truly sorry for all
the frustration this whole situation has caused to volunteers, who have
engaged in discussions expressing their concerns, and to the staff
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