Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-29 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: >Note that CAPTCHAs have now been re-enabled on the Portuguese >Wikipedia. Erik made the decision, in response to on-wiki consensus. I >deployed the change just now. > > Lest there be any confusion or doubt: this is a Ba

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 05/07/13 22:09, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of > is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) > community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on > pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread ImperfectlyInformed
Steven Walling writes: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > > > On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics & Activities meeting, myself, Erik > > > Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinch

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling >> wrote: >> > On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics & Activities meeting, myself, Erik >> > Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tim Starling, 12/07/2013 01:14: Of course, the pt.wp community was well aware of the situation. I don't think so. Some community members were, but very few. It took 7 months to get a local discussion/vote on the matter start and conclude. Proceurally, the absence of consensus for the configura

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling > wrote: > > On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics & Activities meeting, myself, Erik > > Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and Dario Taraborelli are going to > > deliver a short update on t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 05/07/13 22:09, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of > is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) > community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on > pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics & Activities meeting, myself, Erik > Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and Dario Taraborelli are going to > deliver a short update on the state of Wikimedia editor communities. (For > those not familia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-07 Thread Henrique Andrade
I'm following this ptwiki captcha case closely and I think I can bring some elements for this conversation. The portuguese community was surprised by the removal of catcha promoted by the global (technical) community. This situation led then to react and a long discussion was held not only about c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-07 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Oona Castro wrote: > > For now, it's worth mentioning the Portuguese Wikipedia community has been > working on this antivandalism project > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Projetos/AntiVandalismoin > order to build alternative measures to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Oona Castro
That's been a very complex issue. Henrique will bring more context into here. For now, it's worth mentioning the Portuguese Wikipedia community has been working on this antivandalism project http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Projetos/AntiVandalismoin order to build alterna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Asaf Bartov, 06/07/2013 23:51: To be precise, the facts do not show that. They show the CAPTCHA is responsible for significantly fewer good-faith contributions from casual editors. That is is or is not a "bad idea", however, is a subjective judgment, based on one's weighing of multiple factors.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi Steven, > > When the facts show that having the CAPTCHA is a demonstrable BAD idea. It > should be easy to prevent CAPTCHA from being implemented again. > To be precise, the facts do not show that. They show the CAPTCHA is responsible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Steven, When the facts show that having the CAPTCHA is a demonstrable BAD idea. It should be easy to prevent CAPTCHA from being implemented again. I am sure you know who to speak to. Thanks, GerardM On 5 July 2013 21:02, Steven Walling wrote: > On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Denny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms > of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? I think the explanation is pretty clear from the numbers Nemo share

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/05/2013 01:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. That's not surprising; someone with malice aforethought isn't going to be stopped by a captcha, someone who just though "Hey, I'll correct that typo" is likely to not want to bot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Denny Vrandečić, 05/07/2013 17:42: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. :) The tables are fairly readable even if you don't know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms > of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? > Maybe a CAPTCHA is effective at demotivating bona fide editors an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? 2013/7/5 Federico Leva (Nemo) > The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is > surely what Platonides and other members of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for all edits since 2008. The error was fixed in April

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-25 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Briefly, from the train (so no links): > > 1. The Wikipedia Challenge competitions were not community initiatives; > they were Google initiatives. > > 2. Agree with Nemo about tools' importance. > > 3. I'd call out the Tamil Wikipedia Media Con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-25 Thread Asaf Bartov
Briefly, from the train (so no links): 1. The Wikipedia Challenge competitions were not community initiatives; they were Google initiatives. 2. Agree with Nemo about tools' importance. 3. I'd call out the Tamil Wikipedia Media Contest: great return on very modest investment (of funds); and the M

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-25 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > 1) I'm confused: first you ask about community initiatives then you list > activities by chapters and the like. "Community initiative" makes me think > of edit drives, custom tools and scripts, processes, guidelines, > configurations.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Steven Walling, 23/06/2013 01:34: One obvious example that comes to mind is Wiki Loves Monuments. Others are the Wikipedia Challenge in Kiswahili and Setswana, and edit-a-thons, such as this year's fashion edit-a-thon put together by Wikimedia Sverige. What am I missing from this list? I don't