Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-29 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
So, I also did something: I set up a test instance of vtiger. Remember that there are more good CRM and other systems which could be useful - or even better - for us. I've just choosen this because I think it might fit. We might want to have a meeting instead to define the needs and evaluate

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-28 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
Dear Ilario, Am 28.01.2011 16:49, schrieb Ilario Valdelli: If we have an open source software which needs a lot of time to be configured, we can use the commercial solution for a while before the migration in open source solution. I have offered to install vtiger or other several times. Have

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-28 Diskussionsfäden Ilario Valdelli
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: I have offered to install vtiger or other several times. Have you ever looked into it? I doubt it, because I never got any answer. Neither on the board mailing list weeks and months ago nor here on this

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-28 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
Well, WMDE uses CiviCRM. I don't like it because I think it is too complicated. vtiger and Sugar are almost the same thing - vtiger is a fork of Sugar, but much more lightweight and with a better (less cluttered) userinterface. What I like in these CRM: * they have group and personal calendars

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-28 Diskussionsfäden Ilario Valdelli
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Well, WMDE uses CiviCRM. I don't like it because I think it is too complicated. It's different. WM DE uses CiviCRM because it's suggested by WMF to manage the fundraising. But CiviCRM is not the best to

[Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-27 Diskussionsfäden Nico Ray
Hi all, Quick question : do we already have a database for all contacts (press, people asking for info, etc...) ? If not, wouldn't it be a good idea to have one, in order to track who was contacting who, why, when ? Obviousely, this list should be stricly restricted. In case it already

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-27 Diskussionsfäden Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Nico Ray n...@sabine-nico.ch wrote: Hi all, Quick question : do we already have a database for all contacts (press, people asking for info, etc...) ? If not, wouldn't it be a good idea to have one, in order to track who was contacting who, why, when ?

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-27 Diskussionsfäden Ludovic Péron
I think it's a good idea. I've many contact. I write nothing in our wiki because of public access. I think that we'll must a wiki just for the member. Ludovic 2011/1/27 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Nico Ray n...@sabine-nico.ch wrote: Hi all, Quick

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-27 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
I don't understand how a non-profit organisation that fosters open source ideology can spend money for something like this when even better solutions (such as full-fledged CRM) exist as open source software for free. Especially am I totally against putting our private data into a foreign

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-27 Diskussionsfäden Manuel Schneider
Perhaps that in 2007 www.wikimedia.ch http://www.wikimedia.ch was a goog tool for the needs of 2007. Wikipedia has grown since 2007, Wikimedia CH as well. Now we have contacts profesionals. We needprofessional tools for that. Well, as far as I know is the last conclusion we met on the board

Re: [Wikimediach-l] Contact's DB

2011-01-27 Diskussionsfäden Ludovic Péron
If you don't see the difference between a tool for members (www.wikimedia.ch) and a tool for communication (www.wikimedia.de or www.wikimedia.fr), I'm sorry for you. I have not criticized your work on the current www.wikimedia.ch. I just said that it is not a tool for communicate and to know the