Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-WB] Proposal: Wikipedia participation at 'Kolkata Book Fair 2012'
Hi, Thanks for the initiative Hisham and Nitika! We need some following documents before submit the application 1. Apply on our own letterhead for participation 2. name address 3. required space : stall (sq. mt) / table 4. space allotted in the last two years 5. photocopy of current trade licence catalogue 6. latest issue of the journal 7. undertaking to abide by the rules and regulations So we need help from WMF/Chapter for Point 1 and 5. They want photocopy of society registration instead of *current trade licence catalogue** .* On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Completely support the idea. The book fair seems a very good idea to reach out to those who might be interested to edit English or Bengali Wikipedia. I was going through some of the best practices in setting up a Wikipedia booth I learnt that using eye-catchers is one of the successful ways to attract attention of the attendees. Maybe we could use this idea too: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Use_eye-catchers_to_attract_attention. Would be more than happy to discuss things over a call/Skype etc. Please let me know if I can help out in anyway. Nitika On 02-Dec-2011, at 12:43 PM, Biswarup Ganguly wrote: Dear Kalyan, Thank you for your detail proposal of hiring sound system and stickers and/or caps, T-shirts etc. You are right that we need broad band connection or data card whichever is available for running the live edits, teach and show throughout the exhibition. Regards. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Kalyan Sarkar kalyan.sar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Biswarup da, We need the sound system to assist the promotional videos that we would run on the TV as well as promotional events like spot edit/quiz contests. The promotional videos could either be extracts from Jimmy's inspiring speeches, clips from Wiki Conference India or small video tutorials on how to make the first edit. We can also hold spot edit contests, where a random person is selected from the crowd to make an edit. If that is a fair edit, we hand him/her a prize. We can also hold spot quiz contests, where the correct answer gets the prize. The prize could be a T shirt. In order to organize such promotional events, we need a sound system. I also think, we need internet connection or data card whichever is applicable. For promotional purposes we can also think of stickers and/or paper caps (sun guards) with Wikipedia logo. We can also sell the surplus T shirts from the Wiki Conference India programme or other merchandise if any. Thanks and regards, Kalyan Sarkar On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Biswarup Ganguly gangulybiswa...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Jayanta, It seems to be fine as a starting point of the 'Budget' to me but how the sound system be used there? Regards. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am submitting tentative budget breakup for this event... *Item* * Cost in Rs * 1 Stall Booking @9 sqm Rs 60,000.00 2 Stall decoration Rs 15,000.00 3 Furniture Rent Rs 5,000.00 4 Plasma TV 44” With Stand With DVD Player Rs 15,000.00 5 Laptop rent Rs 6,000.00 6 Sound system Rs 10,000.00 7 Transportation Rs 5,000.00 8 Food@Rs1000/day Rs 12,000.00 9 Leaflet Bengali FAQ@1 Nos Rs 20,000.00 Bengali Promotion Rs 2,000.00 English Wikipedia Rs 2,000.00 10 Hire staff/bearer @ Rs 500@12 days Rs 6,000.00 11 Banner Rs 2,000.00 12 other incidentals Rs 10,000.00 Rs 170,000.00 $ 3,296.05 http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1From=INRTo=USD Please I would request to every of Bengali/Kolkata community,add/modify or expand as requirement above Budget breakup. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi. Perhaps you should correct Mr Tapas: we belong in the education/reference sector, not the IT sector. And we are non-profit. It is a good idea to remind our partners that although we're based on Internet projects, we are not at all *about* the Internet, but about free knowledge, and the creation and dissemination thereof. Cheers, Asaf On Nov 26, 2011 12:10 AM, Biswarup Ganguly gangulybiswa...@gmail.com wrote: As the types of our organisation the Wikipedia goes in IT category. They will provide only the space noting else! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-in-wb/attachments/2026/ac64d351/attachment.htm ___ Wikimedia-in-WB mailing list
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis
FYI - Pradeep has already left the list before this email your response was sent. Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:41:06 +0530 From: ashwin.bain...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] IEP Pilot - Preliminary Analysis My dear Pradeep, Please accept my apolodies. My intention was just to bring to your notice that many of us who you may consider Wikipedians and not FOSS are also FOSS guys. This is just a small issue which I did not want to snowball. Please dont quit from the list. Your hard work speaks for you. My apologies if I have hurt you unintendedly. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Since I am creating noise on the list, I apologise and resign from the list. Hope the signal levels go back up. If there is no article on OSM, please WP:BEBOLD and create one. Wikipedian vocabulary is not limited by the content of Wikimedia projects but rather by day to day usage. Again, apologies. I am sorry to see this mailing list also getting as divided as things are in the OSM. warm regards, Pradeep User:Prad2609 Handheld. On 05/12/2011, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi Anivar, Wikipedians like us call it the Open Source Movement. Since, we're all on the Wikipedia list, the acronym is acceptable. We don't have to adjust for the FOSS guys and be specific. Please understand and adjust. Pradep, I pointed it because that acronym created confusion in this list Sudhavana understood OSM as Open street Maps, in the same way as i understood. I feel your mail is adding further noise to thread Just feel that your email was not needed. I know you had good intentions and I'm assuming WP:AGF. en:wp does not have a page on Open source Movement It is FSM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement Anivar ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-WB] Proposal: Wikipedia participation at 'Kolkata Book Fair 2012'
On Dec 5, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Jayanta Nath wrote: Hi, Thanks for the initiative Hisham and Nitika! Pleasure. We need some following documents before submit the application 1. Apply on our own letterhead for participation I am presuming the Chapter EC will take care of point 1? Let me know if you need any help. 2. name address 3. required space : stall (sq. mt) / table 4. space allotted in the last two years 5. photocopy of current trade licence catalogue In addition to the society registration, if you see merit, you can also share the following documents with them http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Movement_Strategic_Plan_Summary http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Annual_Report 6. latest issue of the journal 7. undertaking to abide by the rules and regulations So we need help from WMF/Chapter for Point 1 and 5. They want photocopy of society registration instead of current trade licence catalogue . hisham On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Nitika ntan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Completely support the idea. The book fair seems a very good idea to reach out to those who might be interested to edit English or Bengali Wikipedia. I was going through some of the best practices in setting up a Wikipedia booth I learnt that using eye-catchers is one of the successful ways to attract attention of the attendees. Maybe we could use this idea too: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Use_eye-catchers_to_attract_attention. Would be more than happy to discuss things over a call/Skype etc. Please let me know if I can help out in anyway. Nitika On 02-Dec-2011, at 12:43 PM, Biswarup Ganguly wrote: Dear Kalyan, Thank you for your detail proposal of hiring sound system and stickers and/or caps, T-shirts etc. You are right that we need broad band connection or data card whichever is available for running the live edits, teach and show throughout the exhibition. Regards. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Kalyan Sarkar kalyan.sar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Biswarup da, We need the sound system to assist the promotional videos that we would run on the TV as well as promotional events like spot edit/quiz contests. The promotional videos could either be extracts from Jimmy's inspiring speeches, clips from Wiki Conference India or small video tutorials on how to make the first edit. We can also hold spot edit contests, where a random person is selected from the crowd to make an edit. If that is a fair edit, we hand him/her a prize. We can also hold spot quiz contests, where the correct answer gets the prize. The prize could be a T shirt. In order to organize such promotional events, we need a sound system. I also think, we need internet connection or data card whichever is applicable. For promotional purposes we can also think of stickers and/or paper caps (sun guards) with Wikipedia logo. We can also sell the surplus T shirts from the Wiki Conference India programme or other merchandise if any. Thanks and regards, Kalyan Sarkar On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Biswarup Ganguly gangulybiswa...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Jayanta, It seems to be fine as a starting point of the 'Budget' to me but how the sound system be used there? Regards. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am submitting tentative budget breakup for this event... *Item* * Cost in Rs * 1 Stall Booking @9 sqm Rs 60,000.00 2 Stall decoration Rs 15,000.00 3 Furniture Rent Rs 5,000.00 4 Plasma TV 44” With Stand With DVD Player Rs 15,000.00 5 Laptop rent Rs 6,000.00 6 Sound system Rs 10,000.00 7 Transportation Rs 5,000.00 8 Food@Rs1000/day Rs 12,000.00 9 Leaflet Bengali FAQ@1 Nos Rs 20,000.00 Bengali Promotion Rs 2,000.00 English Wikipedia Rs 2,000.00 10 Hire staff/bearer @ Rs 500@12 days Rs 6,000.00 11 Banner Rs 2,000.00 12 other incidentals Rs 10,000.00 Rs 170,000.00 $ 3,296.05 http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert/?Amount=1From=INRTo=USD Please I would request to every of Bengali/Kolkata community,add/modify or expand as requirement above Budget breakup. On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi. Perhaps you should correct Mr Tapas: we belong in the education/reference sector, not the IT sector. And we are non-profit. It is a good idea to remind our partners that although we're based on Internet projects, we are not at all *about* the Internet, but about free knowledge, and the creation and dissemination thereof. Cheers, Asaf On Nov 26, 2011 12:10 AM, Biswarup Ganguly
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
Fact: Chapter membership was open for all on last day of WCI 2011. Anyone who wished to become a member could by filling up a form and paying the fees. If this was done in Mumbai, why not allow it in Kolkata? I think there needs to be a uniform policy behind this - either its open to all at all our events across the country or its not. Kind Regards, Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:14:34 +0530 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership. I agree with Srikanth. Some people with vested interests may want to join ...-+- On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 15:39, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com wrote: 1) On-spot India Chapter membership for visitors if they wish. Was : Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposal: Wikipedia participation at 'Kolkata Book Fair 2012' I think we are going for numbers game here. Whats the point of on-spot membership? Seriously, does having 50,000 chapter members do any great thing for Wikipedia? I seriously fail to understand (in the past, future), what can the chapter do with just so many members who do not have an idea about Wikipedia community and many of whom may not go beyond attending meetups and conferences. Sorry if am sound odd here, I just dont like this part of chapter, where the chapter instead of instilling confidence in community and making them members, chooses people who attend a meetup / conference / stall to become its members.(In many cases makes someone member of chapter without having a clue about it. I personally know this since my friend who happen to accompany me to a meetup, just because he had nothing else to spend time is a chapter member now) I do not mean any offense to any of those who sign up(they may be genuinely interested, good guys), but just fail to understand what we are trying to achieve with chapter membership numbers. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 18:20, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: If this was done in Mumbai, why not allow it in Kolkata? I think there needs to be a uniform policy behind this - either its open to all at all our events across the country or its not. My point was not specific to Kolkata. When i said 50,000 i didnt mean it will be only from Kolkata. If we continue the same, I am afraid we will have 5 chapter members with 500 editors / community members. Good or bad is left to be subjective / personal opinions, but this might just make the community members who are already reluctant not to join a group where they cannot identify themselves. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
Hi, There are some free and open source minded/Linux group members around Kolkata,They have some knowledge about Wikipedia's philosophy. Some of our community member wants joint on spot payment method,as like we have at WCI2011 . They are not so comfortable with other method.Although On-spot India Chapter membership is not our main* *project scope. If India community/Wikimedia India chapter feels wrong, we can withdrawn this facility from this project. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 15:39, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com wrote: 1) On-spot *India Chapter membership* for visitors if they wish. Was : Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposal: Wikipedia participation at 'Kolkata Book Fair 2012' I think we are going for numbers game here. Whats the point of on-spot membership? Seriously, does having 50,000 chapter members do any great thing for Wikipedia? I seriously fail to understand (in the past, future), what can the chapter do with just so many members who do not have an idea about Wikipedia community and many of whom may not go beyond attending meetups and conferences. Sorry if am sound odd here, I just dont like this part of chapter, where the chapter instead of instilling confidence in community and making them members, chooses people who attend a meetup / conference / stall to become its members.(In many cases makes someone member of chapter without having a clue about it. I personally know this since my friend who happen to accompany me to a meetup, just because he had nothing else to spend time is a chapter member now) I do not mean any offense to any of those who sign up(they may be genuinely interested, good guys), but just fail to understand what we are trying to achieve with chapter membership numbers. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With Warm Regards, *Jayanta Nath* Calcutta,West Bengal https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-wb ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 18:30, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There are some free and open source minded/Linux group members around Kolkata,They have some knowledge about Wikipedia's philosophy. Some of our community member wants joint on spot payment method,as like we have at WCI2011 . They are not so comfortable with other method.Although On-spot India Chapter membership is not our main* *project scope. If India community/Wikimedia India chapter feels wrong, we can withdrawn this facility from this project. Jayantha, There is nothing wrong in having the option. What I fear is, people who just happen to visit the stall are being made members without understanding what it is. I have this fear since it was how it was done in past, and continuing the same would be dangerous to chapter's health. Oh thanks Srikanth, I seriously didnt think of vested interests entering. Already communication with in chapter is poor citing the very same reason and discussions dont happen in the way they meant to be. I know there are many folks in this list, who dont care about chapter, Sorry for spamming you, but I think its important to discuss with larger community since chapter will not fulfill its purpose without the community. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
Hi all, I am very much in favour of ( sincerely wishes so) the active community members being part of the chapter and its leadership and taking the chapter is next level. The chapter will have lose its relevance unless the community takes control of it and shape its future. On a side note, I get these interesting questions each time when I ask people to join the chapter, How will the chapter benefit me? What do I get from the chapter, if I join? ( I am not blaming anyone, but pardon me, honestly that is the our typical Indian psychology). I reply them with another question Think of this way, think of what I can do for the Wikimedia chapter ?. Remember , We all became Wikimedians not because of thinking how we will benefit out of it, but by the sheer passion and joy of sharing knowledge with the whole world. I keep iterating this often, May I ask to kindly remove the notion that Chapter = EC. Each one of us has an equal responsibility ( and opportunity) to take it forward and drive the chapter. I am sure that many of you are aware there were just two nominations when the 3 vacant posts that were announced for the chapter Executive Committee. Saddened by the lack of interest, I had to literally ask, beg , threaten many of the members to stand for the elections and later we got another 4 more nominations. I myself had to stand for the elections, to prove my point, in spite of my insane personal professional emergencies that I have been going through in the last few months. It is always easy to blame the system for not working but it takes some courage to stand up and be part of the system to change it. I take this opportunity to sincerely invite all our dearest active community members to become the part of the chapter and shape its future. Having said that, when our founding members drafted the MoA, the chapter membership was made open to any Indian who is above the 18 years of age. We didn't want to say No to anyone who is coming forward to join the chapter. We wanted it to be open and inclusive, we wanted to set no barriers for anyone to join, anyone who is genuinely interested and enthusiastic , just like in Wikipedia. If you think that model doesn't work, bring in a resolution. We can all discuss and make amendments to our chapter constitution to that effect ? So what will be the eligibility criteria for joining the chapter? Wiki username ? Edit counts ? Number of articles ? We are still baby stepping... The chapter is officially just less than one year.. we have made some mistakes but we made more learnings and that will help us grow forward. With lots of Wikilove, Regards Tinu Cherian On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Srikanth. Some people with vested interests may want to join ... -+- On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 15:39, Jayanta Nath jayanta...@gmail.com wrote: 1) On-spot *India Chapter membership* for visitors if they wish. Was : Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposal: Wikipedia participation at 'Kolkata Book Fair 2012' I think we are going for numbers game here. Whats the point of on-spot membership? Seriously, does having 50,000 chapter members do any great thing for Wikipedia? I seriously fail to understand (in the past, future), what can the chapter do with just so many members who do not have an idea about Wikipedia community and many of whom may not go beyond attending meetups and conferences. Sorry if am sound odd here, I just dont like this part of chapter, where the chapter instead of instilling confidence in community and making them members, chooses people who attend a meetup / conference / stall to become its members.(In many cases makes someone member of chapter without having a clue about it. I personally know this since my friend who happen to accompany me to a meetup, just because he had nothing else to spend time is a chapter member now) I do not mean any offense to any of those who sign up(they may be genuinely interested, good guys), but just fail to understand what we are trying to achieve with chapter membership numbers. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 19:01, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: I am very much in favour of ( sincerely wishes so) the active community members being part of the chapter and its leadership and taking the chapter is next level. The chapter will have lose its relevance unless the community takes control of it and shape its future. Word. I keep iterating this often, May I ask to kindly remove the notion that Chapter = EC. Each one of us has an equal responsibility ( and opportunity) to take it forward and drive the chapter. With the very same intent, I opened up the thread, which EC has not opened / made much progress, so that we can do something to have more members who are informed and involved. I would like to point reply of R Srikanth. There are many such folks on the list, beyond it on various wikis in the silent contributors category who do not like to be a chapter member and this could be one of the reason. Instead of reaching to events and getting membership and at some stage tell the world chapter is X members strong, Chapter must put in more efforts in getting more members of community as its members and this thread can very well be a start. Having said that, when our founding members drafted the MoA, the chapter membership was made open to any Indian who is above the 18 years of age. We didn't want to say No to anyone who is coming forward to join the chapter. We wanted it to be open and inclusive, we wanted to set no barriers for anyone to join, anyone who is genuinely interested and enthusiastic , just like in Wikipedia It is one thing to say No to anyone who is interested / but barriers to join, another thing to give out forms, ask them to fill up and canvass its just 100 Rs saying you can be chapter member without letting them know what it is. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
+1 for recruiting more Wikipedian members. I am one of those Wikipedians who hasn't become a member of the chapter because i am hesitant to get involved in chapter politics and fear of being forced to follow the agenda set by people who know nothing about Wikipedia (except perhaps talking about it). I am sure there are more wikipedians like me who are just observing what goes on from the sidelines. It is people like us who need to be prodded and dragged to become chapter members.(I will send in my membership application soon). Getting non-wikipedians to sign up and increasing the numbers will eventually lead to an organisation completely out of tune with the Wikimedia movement. Numbers for numbers sake is not the road we should take. As Srikanth R pointed out, there are a lot of people who would love to take control. I believe such a thing did happen once before and the chapter was forced to send legal notices to dissuade it. Recruiting numbers for numbers sake might well lead to such a situation again. And when that happens chapter will become yet another talk only organisation completely irrelevant to what Wikipedia actually is. So lets not put up any barriers for membership but at the same time, lets not advertise chapter membership to completely new people by going on membership drives in outreach events. - Bala On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 19:01, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: I am very much in favour of ( sincerely wishes so) the active community members being part of the chapter and its leadership and taking the chapter is next level. The chapter will have lose its relevance unless the community takes control of it and shape its future. Word. I keep iterating this often, May I ask to kindly remove the notion that Chapter = EC. Each one of us has an equal responsibility ( and opportunity) to take it forward and drive the chapter. With the very same intent, I opened up the thread, which EC has not opened / made much progress, so that we can do something to have more members who are informed and involved. I would like to point reply of R Srikanth. There are many such folks on the list, beyond it on various wikis in the silent contributors category who do not like to be a chapter member and this could be one of the reason. Instead of reaching to events and getting membership and at some stage tell the world chapter is X members strong, Chapter must put in more efforts in getting more members of community as its members and this thread can very well be a start. Having said that, when our founding members drafted the MoA, the chapter membership was made open to any Indian who is above the 18 years of age. We didn't want to say No to anyone who is coming forward to join the chapter. We wanted it to be open and inclusive, we wanted to set no barriers for anyone to join, anyone who is genuinely interested and enthusiastic , just like in Wikipedia It is one thing to say No to anyone who is interested / but barriers to join, another thing to give out forms, ask them to fill up and canvass its just 100 Rs saying you can be chapter member without letting them know what it is. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
Thanks Srikanths for initiating this useful discussion. Yes, we are all aware of the problem. But then again there are no straight forward answers solutions too. Ironically it is a similar to the chicken egg problem. The chapter needs the community to grow strong... The community will join the chapter only if it is strong. One of things, we are trying is to expand the chapter leadership larger community participation is by forming special interest groups for languages cities. The SIG chair will form the SIG teams that will help steer, catalyst the development of the particular communities http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair Many other teams like Finance, Fundraising , Web, PR/Media Relations, Outreach are in making and will be rolled out soon. Bala, Welcome to the chapter ! :) Only if enthusiastic community members like you come forward , we can make the chapter a better place. I also want to use this opportunity to open up discussion ( to all) on what should the chapter do. 1) in terms of getting more more community members 2) having a better relation participation with the community at large. 3) and what the community expects the chapter to do. I would request to keep this discussion healthy and constructive. ( and obviously no personal attacks ) Over to you, dear community... -TC On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: +1 for recruiting more Wikipedian members. I am one of those Wikipedians who hasn't become a member of the chapter because i am hesitant to get involved in chapter politics and fear of being forced to follow the agenda set by people who know nothing about Wikipedia (except perhaps talking about it). I am sure there are more wikipedians like me who are just observing what goes on from the sidelines. It is people like us who need to be prodded and dragged to become chapter members.(I will send in my membership application soon). Getting non-wikipedians to sign up and increasing the numbers will eventually lead to an organisation completely out of tune with the Wikimedia movement. Numbers for numbers sake is not the road we should take. As Srikanth R pointed out, there are a lot of people who would love to take control. I believe such a thing did happen once before and the chapter was forced to send legal notices to dissuade it. Recruiting numbers for numbers sake might well lead to such a situation again. And when that happens chapter will become yet another talk only organisation completely irrelevant to what Wikipedia actually is. So lets not put up any barriers for membership but at the same time, lets not advertise chapter membership to completely new people by going on membership drives in outreach events. - Bala On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 19:01, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: I am very much in favour of ( sincerely wishes so) the active community members being part of the chapter and its leadership and taking the chapter is next level. The chapter will have lose its relevance unless the community takes control of it and shape its future. Word. I keep iterating this often, May I ask to kindly remove the notion that Chapter = EC. Each one of us has an equal responsibility ( and opportunity) to take it forward and drive the chapter. With the very same intent, I opened up the thread, which EC has not opened / made much progress, so that we can do something to have more members who are informed and involved. I would like to point reply of R Srikanth. There are many such folks on the list, beyond it on various wikis in the silent contributors category who do not like to be a chapter member and this could be one of the reason. Instead of reaching to events and getting membership and at some stage tell the world chapter is X members strong, Chapter must put in more efforts in getting more members of community as its members and this thread can very well be a start. Having said that, when our founding members drafted the MoA, the chapter membership was made open to any Indian who is above the 18 years of age. We didn't want to say No to anyone who is coming forward to join the chapter. We wanted it to be open and inclusive, we wanted to set no barriers for anyone to join, anyone who is genuinely interested and enthusiastic , just like in Wikipedia It is one thing to say No to anyone who is interested / but barriers to join, another thing to give out forms, ask them to fill up and canvass its just 100 Rs saying you can be chapter member without letting them know what it is. -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] geo-tagged articles from India
Wow, this is really interesting news. I think this should serve as a catalyst for other languages. -- On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:17 AM, Mani Pande mpa...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey Everyone, I wanted to share with you this visualization of geo-tagged articles from South Asia, including India. Please see the image here.http://www.zerogeography.net/2011/12/geography-of-wikipedia-article-quality.htmlThe analysis was conducted by a researcher at the Oxford Internet Institute, Mark Graham, who has been conducting research on geo-location and Wikipedia. The data is only from English Wikipedia. It is interesting to note concentration of geo-tagged articles from Kerala, Nepal and Indian metropolises: Mumbai. Delhi, Chennai etc. Mark has done more analysis in his blog, and he informed me that he would love input from the community in India. If you would like, please provide him insights through the comment section. Mark has been using publicly available data to conduction geo analysis of Wikipedia articles, and editors. If you would like to read more about his research, you can visit his website here.http://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/?id=165 Thanks Mani ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
Tinu, I understand that we need more members to take the movement forward, but we need to ensure that only genuinely interested people become a part of the chapter. Imagine this: Some comapny is unable to promote their product on Wikipedia. Keeps getting deleted. [Read the mail I sent about Marketing, last week]. One of them joins the chapter, becomes part of the EC after the AGM. What if he/she now uses that position to promote their comapny? Think about it. -- On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:08 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Srikanths for initiating this useful discussion. Yes, we are all aware of the problem. But then again there are no straight forward answers solutions too. Ironically it is a similar to the chicken egg problem. The chapter needs the community to grow strong... The community will join the chapter only if it is strong. One of things, we are trying is to expand the chapter leadership larger community participation is by forming special interest groups for languages cities. The SIG chair will form the SIG teams that will help steer, catalyst the development of the particular communities http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair Many other teams like Finance, Fundraising , Web, PR/Media Relations, Outreach are in making and will be rolled out soon. Bala, Welcome to the chapter ! :) Only if enthusiastic community members like you come forward , we can make the chapter a better place. I also want to use this opportunity to open up discussion ( to all) on what should the chapter do. 1) in terms of getting more more community members 2) having a better relation participation with the community at large. 3) and what the community expects the chapter to do. I would request to keep this discussion healthy and constructive. ( and obviously no personal attacks ) Over to you, dear community... -TC On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: +1 for recruiting more Wikipedian members. I am one of those Wikipedians who hasn't become a member of the chapter because i am hesitant to get involved in chapter politics and fear of being forced to follow the agenda set by people who know nothing about Wikipedia (except perhaps talking about it). I am sure there are more wikipedians like me who are just observing what goes on from the sidelines. It is people like us who need to be prodded and dragged to become chapter members.(I will send in my membership application soon). Getting non-wikipedians to sign up and increasing the numbers will eventually lead to an organisation completely out of tune with the Wikimedia movement. Numbers for numbers sake is not the road we should take. As Srikanth R pointed out, there are a lot of people who would love to take control. I believe such a thing did happen once before and the chapter was forced to send legal notices to dissuade it. Recruiting numbers for numbers sake might well lead to such a situation again. And when that happens chapter will become yet another talk only organisation completely irrelevant to what Wikipedia actually is. So lets not put up any barriers for membership but at the same time, lets not advertise chapter membership to completely new people by going on membership drives in outreach events. - Bala On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 19:01, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: I am very much in favour of ( sincerely wishes so) the active community members being part of the chapter and its leadership and taking the chapter is next level. The chapter will have lose its relevance unless the community takes control of it and shape its future. Word. I keep iterating this often, May I ask to kindly remove the notion that Chapter = EC. Each one of us has an equal responsibility ( and opportunity) to take it forward and drive the chapter. With the very same intent, I opened up the thread, which EC has not opened / made much progress, so that we can do something to have more members who are informed and involved. I would like to point reply of R Srikanth. There are many such folks on the list, beyond it on various wikis in the silent contributors category who do not like to be a chapter member and this could be one of the reason. Instead of reaching to events and getting membership and at some stage tell the world chapter is X members strong, Chapter must put in more efforts in getting more members of community as its members and this thread can very well be a start. Having said that, when our founding members drafted the MoA, the chapter membership was made open to any Indian who is above the 18 years of age. We didn't want to say No to anyone who is coming forward to join the chapter. We wanted it to be open and inclusive, we wanted to set no barriers for anyone to join, anyone who
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On the spot Chapter membership.
No, no.. Let me say that again and again, I passionately welcome the idea that it is the genuinely interested people ( aka community) who should be driving force of the chapter ! ( sincerely believe so and should be so). I am more a community member at heart but I believe the chapter has to and will play a bigger role in the Wikimedia movement of India. But for that, we need more and more community members joining the chapter. The question is HOW ? I was recently reminded of this interesting story of Rajat Gupta and Vajpayee Mckinsey were doing some fancy report on india and Rajat was presenting that india didn't need to worry about investment flowing to china because the real opporutnity in india was productivity improvement. Mckinsey said that actually india needed a lot less money and more efficiency. so Vajpayee listens patiently and then says, 'Guptaji, yeh sab to theek hai, lekin kaisa karna hai???' It is not that we are all not aware of the problem, what we need to find is the solution. I mentioned earlier, There is a chicken egg problem on this. The chapter desperately needs the community for the former's growth.. The community will only join the chapter only if it is strong ! -TC On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Tinu, I understand that we need more members to take the movement forward, but we need to ensure that only genuinely interested people become a part of the chapter. Imagine this: Some comapny is unable to promote their product on Wikipedia. Keeps getting deleted. [Read the mail I sent about Marketing, last week]. One of them joins the chapter, becomes part of the EC after the AGM. What if he/she now uses that position to promote their comapny? Think about it. -- On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 8:08 AM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Srikanths for initiating this useful discussion. Yes, we are all aware of the problem. But then again there are no straight forward answers solutions too. Ironically it is a similar to the chicken egg problem. The chapter needs the community to grow strong... The community will join the chapter only if it is strong. One of things, we are trying is to expand the chapter leadership larger community participation is by forming special interest groups for languages cities. The SIG chair will form the SIG teams that will help steer, catalyst the development of the particular communities http://wiki.wikimedia.in/City_and_Language_SIG_subcommittee_chair Many other teams like Finance, Fundraising , Web, PR/Media Relations, Outreach are in making and will be rolled out soon. Bala, Welcome to the chapter ! :) Only if enthusiastic community members like you come forward , we can make the chapter a better place. I also want to use this opportunity to open up discussion ( to all) on what should the chapter do. 1) in terms of getting more more community members 2) having a better relation participation with the community at large. 3) and what the community expects the chapter to do. I would request to keep this discussion healthy and constructive. ( and obviously no personal attacks ) Over to you, dear community... -TC On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Bala Jeyaraman sodabot...@gmail.comwrote: +1 for recruiting more Wikipedian members. I am one of those Wikipedians who hasn't become a member of the chapter because i am hesitant to get involved in chapter politics and fear of being forced to follow the agenda set by people who know nothing about Wikipedia (except perhaps talking about it). I am sure there are more wikipedians like me who are just observing what goes on from the sidelines. It is people like us who need to be prodded and dragged to become chapter members.(I will send in my membership application soon). Getting non-wikipedians to sign up and increasing the numbers will eventually lead to an organisation completely out of tune with the Wikimedia movement. Numbers for numbers sake is not the road we should take. As Srikanth R pointed out, there are a lot of people who would love to take control. I believe such a thing did happen once before and the chapter was forced to send legal notices to dissuade it. Recruiting numbers for numbers sake might well lead to such a situation again. And when that happens chapter will become yet another talk only organisation completely irrelevant to what Wikipedia actually is. So lets not put up any barriers for membership but at the same time, lets not advertise chapter membership to completely new people by going on membership drives in outreach events. - Bala On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 19:01, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: I am very much in favour of ( sincerely wishes so) the active community members being part of the chapter and its leadership
[Wikimediaindia-l] Sharing insights and experiences from Indian language wiki communities - Kannada
Dear All, As part of my discussion with Indic language Wikipedians I spoke with few Kannada wikipedians. I have summarized the discussion in meta wiki. It is here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Kannada/Discussions/2011 Kannada with more than 4 crore speakers and is one of the 22 scheduled languages of india. Kannada is primarily spoken in the Indian state Karnataka. Kannada Wikipedia has a very interesting heritage. This is the community that started Wiki outreach programs in India. In fact, the first Indic wiki workshop that I am aware of was organized by HPN way back in 2004! A lot of interesting things happened for a while and there was a time when Kannda has a vibrant 40+ strong community. However, off late, things appear to have slowed down and the number of active editors is on a relative decline. Having said that, the seeds have already been sown in this community and I am confident that with a little nurturing, we can see activism in Kannada wikipedia coming back. I am basing my optimism on Kananda Wiktionary -where the community has taken it to the 2nd largest wiktionary in the country. There is much activism happening around kannada wiktionary. In Kannada wikipedia I got opportunity to interact with high prolific editors like User:Radhatanaya who is silently doing wonderful job. Kannada wikipedia has more than 11,000 articles now and kannada wiktionary has whopping 1,50,000 entries (making it the second biggest Wiktionary among Indic language wiktionaries). Kindly read the experience of Kannada Wikimedians at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs/Indic_Languages/Kannada/Discussions/2011 Regards Shiju ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter-Foundation: Co-Ordination Calls / Meeting - Updates Minutes
Dear All As you might be aware, we've been have a monthly call between the India Chapter and India Programs team. Since we last updated you, we have had 2 calls and also a face-to-face meeting after WikiConference. Here's an update on these meetings. I must beforehand apologize for being so late on updating you on these calls / meetings. Shall endeavor to be more on schedule going forward. Do share your feedback and comments. Do let us know if there are any clarifications we can provide. Thursday November 9th (Voice Conference) [Arjun, Arun, Naveen, Sudhanwa, Tinu, Asaf Hisham] India Programs Update India Trust has been set up and a formal announcement will be made shortly on this matter. India Education Program has encountered significant problems with regard to copy-pasted material. While efforts have been made (including asking for help from Online Ambassadors), in-class sessions from Campus Ambassadors (in almost every single class of the program), asking for intervention from faculty, asking students only to work on sandboxes, etc., the situation remained particularly serious at College of Engineering, Pune. As a result, the program was suspended at this college. It currently runs at 1 class at Symbiosis School of Economics (while the other classes there have concluded their assignments) and at 1 class at SNDT Women's University. Specifically, the lessons learnt on the pilot were discussed. These included scale, choice of faculty, choice of classes, inadequate engagement and communication with en-wp community, modifications to Campus Ambassador training going forward, modifications to student training going forward, etc. It was pointed out that a comprehensive and honest learnings exercise would be undertaken. Recruitment of additional team members (for Communications and for Team Support) have been delayed because the right candidate was not available. The initial work on the Indic Languages initiatives would start off with preliminary discussions and data analysis of the various language projects. This will help to build a picture with both experience and data of the current state, challenges, opportunities and potential of the various projects. Eventually, the objective will be to identify potential pilots and language communities that might be interested in these pilots. Chapter Update Arjun said that as Wikipedia is always evolving with contributions of community, any project needs to be carefully planned and executed to minimize the load on community. We had some experiences with Google Translate project, which received adverse reaction from wikipedian community. Even if Foundation undertakes an initiative, there is a possibility of similar adverse response. He hoped that we can use this experience to improve future project planning. Sunday November 20th (Face to Face Meeting) [Arjun, Arun, Naveen, Sudhanwa, Tinu, Barry Hisham] India Programs Update Point of View was shared about the nature of communication and co-operation between the Chapter and India Programs. It was pointed out that all the activities of India Programs have been in line with the publicly available page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_-_India_Programs. The monthly co-ordination calls that the Chapter EC had initaited and that are now being regularly undertaken is useful and must be continued. Chapter EC requested prior information on activities and it was suggested by India Programs (and agreed by Chapter EC) that all important announcements would be sent to the Chapter EC 48 hours before being shared publicly. The nature of the work that was happening on Indic Languages initiatives was shared (including the kinds of discussions and how these discussions were being conducted) and that Shiju will shortly start sharing the updates of language discussions with the community. The learnings process of the India Education Program was shared - including the fact that data gathering was going to be commenced and that the learnings would inform the next steps of the project. Nitika will shortly update the community about how these learnings were going to be gathered. It was reiterated that the plans going forward would be finalized only after a thorough review of the program was conducted. It was proposed to identify potential areas where the Chapter EC and India Programs would work collaboratively. Chapter Update Arjun said that it is essential to have clarity on the focus areas of WMF and identify projects where WMF and WMIN could work together. Arun suggested the need for a governance framework for the various activities in India. Arjun summarized the focus of Wikimedia India on Wiki academies and Strengthening City/Language SIGs. Preliminary discussions around Regional Conferences, GLAM, Wiki loves monuments and Knowledge Kiosks are in progress. He explained how Knowledge Kiosks pilot, where visitors to public libraries
