Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

2019-07-19 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Congratulations, all the best wishes.

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:36 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Hello,
> Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
> https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
> got several applications for this position.
> After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
> (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
> will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
> on interesting projects and ideas.
>
> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Extraordinary Circular-Wikimedia India Chapter

2014-10-04 Thread Abhilash S Unni
The person was not a member at the time, which is a point of contention and
which would remain. Even the ratification of renewal of membership and
validity of being member of EC with retrospective effect, at this time
still would have its own share of questions to be answered satisfactorily.

That said, I am a common wikimedia member and do not really care what
happens with the EC or anything around this discussions. I do what I can
and would continue doing that.

To be honest, I used to watch what was happening and the different
conversations that has been going around this entire fiasco. It have
succeeded in alienating a lot of people, so fed-up of all the happenings. I
have never seen anyone responsible or answerable, responding to the
multiple queries which have been going around then, now or expect that to
happen in future as well.

The explanation or discussion is not supposed to happen between us at all
at first place.

I have never got out of work or stopped doing what I can to support the
movement and hence there is no question of getting back to work. Please
request you to not order me around. You may want to do what you have to do.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Vikram Vincent 
wrote:

> On 4 October 2014 10:42, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:
>
>> And with all respect to Vincent Vikram, the logic what you are saying
>> would also mean that Ms. Jayalalithaa can continue as Tamil Nadu CM
>> irrespective of her ceasing to be an MLA!!!
>>
>
> Please give the complete example if you are trying to use an analogy.  She
> was disqualified and lost CM post due to the conviction and not because she
> simply ceased to be an MLA.  I believe that an MLC can also be CM, K
> Rosaiah the present CM of Andhra Pradesh being an MLC.They should only
> enjoy the support of the majority.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Minister_%28India%29#Eligibility
>
> My understanding uses the following examples:
>
> First, holding the post of PM of India
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_India#Eligibility
> " be a member of the Lok Sabha <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lok_Sabha>
> or the Rajya Sabha <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajya_Sabha>. If the
> person chosen as the prime minister is neither a member of the Lok Sabha
> nor the Rajya Sabha at the time of selection, he must become a member of
> either of the houses within six months."
>
> Second, our current MHRD, Ms Smriti Irani lost the MP elections from Amethi,
> Uttar Pradesh
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amethi_%28Lok_Sabha_constituency%29> but
> was still appointed to the post.
>
> So yes, the logic is simple. The EC member held the primary membership and
> this lapsed due to some reason. And the membership was then renewed.  I
> believe that the EC can take a decision to ratify the membership and amend
> the rules as well.
>
> Hope this solves the dilemma. Now can we get back to work?
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Extraordinary Circular-Wikimedia India Chapter

2014-10-03 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Congrats to All and let us work towards the greater good of the community.

Having said that, Srikanth have obviously raised a valid question.

And with all respect to Vincent Vikram, the logic what you are saying would
also mean that Ms. Jayalalithaa can continue as Tamil Nadu CM irrespective
of her ceasing to be an MLA!!!

The Analogy may not necessarily be an apple to apple comparison, however
essentially it is the same.

It is straight and simple logic that a non-member of an organisation cannot
continue to hold a representative or administrative position in that
organisation. No bye-laws would allow that, and it is not acceptable as
well, in any angle you look at it.

My two paise, and I really hope we would let bygones be bygones.

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On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:20 AM, പ്രശോഭ് ജി.ശ്രീധര്‍ <
prasobhgsreed...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Congrats to All
>
> *പ്രശോഭ് *
> *+919496436961 <%2B919496436961>**
> *
>
> 2014-10-03 21:35 GMT+05:30 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
>
>> What makes you say that it was for reasons out of control? What context
>> are you referring to?
>> On 03-Oct-2014 8:54 pm, "Vikram Vincent"  wrote:
>>
>>> By which logic a person need not have to be a Chapter member in order to
 be an EC member.

>>> Was the person a member of the chapter before being elected to the EC?
>>> Was the membership renewal not done due to reasons beyond control? Yes &&
>>> Yes -> the person can remain in the EC
>>> Simple logic ji :)
>>> peace
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

2014-05-19 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Hello Pavanaja

 

Thanks for your note and links. Impressive and convincing. No that is not 
shameless at all, after all your effort and the achievements are result of that 
effort, which should of course be appreciated and you can, and should claim due 
credit for that.

 

That said, I do feel that it is odd, when Ravi had specifically asked for 
details regarding Kannada outreach, the response more or less seems to be 
concentrating on Tulu.

 

The fact that this thread subject line mentions Kannada means that someone who 
might be interested to know about Tulu may not even look into this. Another 
thread which could ask for Tulu details might eventually originate asking for 
the same information, and it could be a mish-mash. A situation which could have 
been very well avoided. My two paise.

 

Sadly, this seems to be an ongoing situation here, not just this instance. 
There seems to be a concentrated effort (it could be un-intentional, however 
the general feeling as far as I am concerned and my personal take is that it is 
concentrated effort), to always divert attention or focus of a discussion away 
from the actual subject, leading to an unfortunate situation where, either the 
queries are not answered properly or the responses from the concerned get lost 
in the cacophony.

 

Abhi

From: wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Srikanth 
Ramakrishnan
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 02:00 AM
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Ravi, 
with all due respect.

It's been 15 mails on this thread and there is nothing about what the thread 
subject says: Kannada.

There is talk of Tulu, but no Kannada. 

 

On 20 May 2014 01:49, Ravishankar mailto:ravidre...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Pavanaja, 

Thanks for providing info regarding outcomes from your efforts in Tulu 
Wikipedia outreach and Kannada Wikipedia education program.

I will provide a detailed response by tomorrow.

 

Hey Srikanth and others, 

Doesn't matter if I asked for Tulu stats. I appreciate Pavanaj's efforts to 
highlight the outcome of their Tulu outreach work even if it is a passing 
mention from me. 

Ravi


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Regards,
Srikanth Ramakrishnan,

What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back.

 

Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore:

https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore

 

 

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

2014-05-19 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Sorry, I may be getting this wrong or missing something. 

 

I do not see any query from Ravi regarding Tulu stats, did I miss something?

 

Ravi, could you clarify as well please.

 

Pavanaja, I am sorry, again I might be wrong in my understanding here as
well on your abilities. You are free to correct me, please share your
profile which I can read through if you do not mind.

 

Just was wondering from your email domain name (vishvakannada), that I
thought you are an expert on Kannada. Is Tulu also something that comes
under the same remit. Again, I am a layman, sorry if I am getting it wrong
and you are free to correct my wrong understanding.

 

Abhi

 

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[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pavanaja
U B
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 12:03 PM
To: 'Wikimedia India Community list'
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

Dear Ansuman,

 

Please go through the thread fully. Ravi asked a question about Tulu and I
answered that.

 

Regarding your statement that the stats are overall from 2007 and not for
one month only - Please read my email carefully. The first stats, ie, total
147 articles is for the period 2007 to March 2014. The current figure that I
mentioned is 284. This growth happened in just one month as I already wrote.


 

Regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

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[mailto:wikimediaindia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ansuman
Sent: 18 May 2014 21:06
To: Wikimedia India Community list
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia

 

The Subject line says "Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia". Why the
stats for Tulu ?

No wonder, they always try to cover up with something else!!!

Anyway in the stats, those numbers are overall from 2007, not just one
month's.




Ansuman

 

On 18 May 2014 20:45, Srikanth Ramakrishnan mailto:rsrikant...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Editors with 10 edit count? 
That's nothing great. Half of them might have edited from the workshop
itself and then disappeared. Also, edit counts are never considered a good
measure of success. 
Are there any real metrics being used? 

On May 18, 2014 7:00 PM, "Pavanaja U B" mailto:pavan...@vishvakannada.com> > wrote:

Dear Ravi,

 

1.Tulu Wikipedia outreach programs and outcome:

 

Please look at the work plan here and the stats mentioned -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_Ju
ly_2014_-_June_2015/Making_the_Tulu_Wikipedia_Live. 

Pay little attention to these numbers (excerpt from the work-plan above)-  

 

The current stats, as of March 2014 stands like this:

* 147 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

* 31 total number of editors; including those who have done just one
edit.

* 8 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

 

Now please take a look at the stats at this page -
http://tools.wmflabs.org/pathoschild-contrib/catanalysis/index.php?title=Wp%
2Ftcy

&cat=0&wiki=incubatorwiki&listpages=on#distribution_201404. I am extracting
the same data for current -

* 284 articles including categories, templates, and talk pages.

* 41 total number of editors; including those who have done just one
edit.

* 18 editors with more than 10 edit counts.

These figures definitely point to the fact that the workshops are not wasted
efforts. These changes have happened in just one month. In the stats page
you may also notice that  Tulu Wikipedia was almost dormant from Sep 2009
till April 2014 with some occasional activity spikes in between. Let us hope
the new set of editors who have come in will actively keep contributing to
Tulu Wikipedia. Optimism is not a bad idea after all.

 

2. Wikipedia in UG education program at Christ University Bangalore:

 

It is true that a spike can be seen in the stats for Kannada Wikipedia. But
the program will be continuing this year also. Students will continue to
write for Kannada Wikipedia. This academic year they will also add content
to Kannada Wikisource. I have personally interacted with many students.
There are quite a good number of students who are passionate about enriching
Kannada language and bringing latest knowledge into Kannada by way of adding
articles to Kannada Wikipedia. Nurturing those students will help not only
Kannada Wikipedia but also Kannada language and people in general. Again, I
would emphasis, let us be optimistic.  

 

Thanks and regards,

Pavanaja

 

 

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] membership - additional requirement

2013-06-07 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Does a scanned image do?

Abhi
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On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Sowmyan Tirumurti wrote:

> Dear friends,
>
> Some of you may not have renewed your membership yet. Kindly do this at
> the earliest. End of June will mark the expiry of the 3 month grace period.
>
> In order to be more compliant with our eligibility requirement, we now
> need members to submit a proof of age and nationality. This would be a one
> time requirement. Future renewals will not need this. All existing members
> who renewed recently are also required to send this document to complete
> our records.
>
> To meet this requirement, we need any government issued identity document
> that contains the name, photograph, date of birth and nationality of the
> member. For example: driving license, passport, PAN card, and electoral
> identity card are some of the documents that would meet the requirement.
> Send us the copy for any one of these. Please mention your membership
> number for easy archiving.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The Great NITT fiasco ...

2012-03-03 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Tinu, you were not rude and harsh. I second your statements. That was
simply sharp, to the point, simple and straight forward.

There was some hard talk required for some of the un-coolest words uttered
and you delivered it.

Appreciate that as well deeply appreciate the effort put in by Sohan and
Srikanth.

Hey, there are lot more like me and many others who dont even spent a
single second to do such kind of outreach and voluntary work, other than
probably dropping such occassional mails.

Once again appreciate the work done by Sohan and Srikanth. We might see the
results only over a longer period of time.


Thanks & Regards, Abhi





On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 8:16 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
wrote:

> Sheesh ! Those comments were so harsh and insensitive. May I ask how many
> outreach events have you co-ordinated & led ?
>
> Give some respect for the volunteers who take out their valuable personal
> time to travel far and conduct events just for the love and passion for the
> movement ! It takes lots of sacrifice & dedication to do such stuff which
> they could have otherwise well spent with the family and friends.
>
> If you are unable to appreciate, least don't demoralize them.
>
> It was just because of his humility that RSrikanth wrote as below
> "apologizing for all the faults". The truth is by far different. The fact
> is that the NIT Trichy student organisers this year didn't honour the
> promises and minimum courtesies/facilities that were expected/guaranteed.
>
> Last year the NITT/Pragyan organizers had approached us for the Wikipedia
> event and we had one of the best experiences of support and hospitality
> from them. Me , Srikanth L ( Logicwiki) and Bala/Sodabottle led the event
> at the college.  The student volunteers were there waiting to receive us at
> the bus station at 5 AM ! They escorted each of us ( coming from different
> directions) to the pre-arranged hotel accommodation. They ensured that we
> were at our comfort and ease. Dedicated taxis ( with volunteer escort) were
> arranged for our transportation between the town and the college. Food and
> our other needs were taken care. The Computer lab was arranged for the
> session and dedicated stall for interacting with the crowd.  Since there
> was a huge demand, AFAIK, they had to do some kind of written test, to only
> permit the 100 attendees. Their hospitality and support was awesome and I
> still cherish them.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Tiruchirappalli/Tiruchirappalli1
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tiruchirappalli_Meetup_Feb2011
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-February/002334.html
>
> This year, when we were approached, they asked us to sign an MoU as it was
> needed as the event was ISO certified. One of the conditions they wanted
> was a guarantee for swags which we politely refused. The MoU was signed
> with a bare minimum clause that we will conduct a day of Wikipedia
> event/workshop. A lot of people were involved in the discussions, Naveen,
> Nitika , Sohan , Hisham, me and many others. Once we removed the guarantee
> of swags, it was evident that the organizers were not largely interested.
> Still we moved ahead to conduct the event, in spite of last time promise
> that they could allow only a 2 hour slot. Much were promised which weren't
> fulfilled.
>
> I am extremely thankful to Sohan Maheshwar & RSrikanth for volunteering
> and traveling ( an overnight journey from Bangalore & Coimbatore to Trichy)
> in spite of all these hurdles on a precious weekend.
>
>  If "they have screwed up", I have equally screwed up. But I am proud of
> it. We have done events that were largely successful and the ones that were
> nothing to talk about.. But it is all part of this game.
>
> I strongly stand behind our volunteers who help the movement. Their time
> and efforts are very very precious !
>
> I just hope that this one-off incident will not discourage them ( or
> anyone else)  from further future contributions.
>
> I am grateful to Nitika & Naveen for all those innumerable calls and
> followups with the organizers and volunteers.
>
> I have strongly communicated our displeasure and disappointment to the
> organizers and  last heard, they were being blasted from the college
> authorities and seniors for their mismanagement.
>
> Apologies if I appeared to be a bit rude and harsh. No hard feelings.
>
>
> Regards
> Tinu Cherian
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Sushant R wrote:
>
>>  so u agre? gud. cos u scrwd up n did it big tym.
>> nxt tym u think of anythin, don kay?
>> u don hav a lptop, no isssus. get 1. can't afford one? get lost.
>> v aint got no place 4 ppl lyk u.
>>
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:39:48 +0530
>> From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com
>>
>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] The Great NITT fiasco ...
>>
>> Heya all.
>> I guess, I really need to explain something here.
>> I

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Abhilash
Hey, Thanks all. Will try using this and upload stuff. Abhi

On 05-Dec-2011 12:54 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote:
> Source available here
> (https://github.com/michiel1972/shareWithCommons) + I've already
> contributed some patches to it during the hackathon. I think plan is
> to eventually make the official wikipedia app do uploads, but I think
> a standalone app will always be necessary.
>
> P.S. You can file issues with this, I'll see if I can help
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Béria Lima  wrote:
>> https://market.android.com/details?id=nl.michiel1972.main (still beta, but
>> works fine)
>> _
>> Béria Lima
>> (351) 925 171 484
>>
>> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
>> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
>> esse sonho.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 December 2011 19:10, Abhilash  wrote:
>>> Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload
>>> pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?
>>>
>>> Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop
>>> application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I customize or
>>> is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?
>>>
>>> Abhi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
>>>
>>> Bala,
>>> I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on the
>>> 15th of Jan ???
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17,  wrote:
>>>>> I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead of
>>>>> meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.
>>>>
>>>> Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
>>>> Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont return to
>>>> a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious meetup
>>>> happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on this part, and
>>>> people met, clicked pics, but many never came online(30 pics came from 15
>>>> people for a whole day of hunt). HPN did some photowalks in Bangalore /
>>>> Mysore, he had a better upload rate, though am not sure if everyone had
>>>> uploaded every pic they clicked.
>>>>
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>>> Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on December 10th.
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia XI 2012

2011-12-04 Thread Abhilash
Is there an APK or App in the Android Market, which I can use to upload 
pictures directly to creative commons from my Android Phone?


Sorry for this naive question, what is uploadwizard, is that a desktop 
application alone, do we have a similar Android App, or Can I customize 
or is there available any of the photo uploaders which I can use?


Abhi

On 04-Dec-2011 10:10 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

Bala,
I was wondering, if we could organise a scanvenger hunt in Kovai on 
the 15th of Jan ???

--

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan 
mailto:srik@gmail.com>> wrote:




On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, mailto:wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

I thought this is similar to a photowalk, where people instead
of meeting in a room go around and take pics. I stand corrected.


Even for a photowalk, customizing the uploadwizard will be good.
Generally people upload elsewhere, never upload since people dont
return to a room and sit / upload (unless there is a conscious
meetup happening).  There was a Chennai photowalk which failed on
this part, and people met, clicked pics, but many never came
online(30 pics came from 15 people for a whole day of hunt). HPN
did some photowalks in Bangalore / Mysore, he had a better upload
rate, though am not sure if everyone had uploaded every pic they
clicked.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

2011-11-22 Thread Abhilash

Hello RK

Agreed

However, if its not very famous or if the brandname (eg here calpol or 
fepanil etc) is being used to identify a generic drug by the general 
public, capturing the list of names out there in the market would be 
pretty difficult. We can probably include all those possible and known 
brand names, but would have to probably expand on the scientific or 
generic drug or chemical name (which is always given in the blister pack 
or bottle or container)


Abhi

On 22-Nov-2011 10:16 PM, RadhaKrishna Arvapally wrote:
As a user of drug, I only know drugs by commercial name (say calpol). 
But may not know if you tell about paracetamal.


If doctor refers calpol, I would come to wiki project and search for 
calpol to understand what my doctor prescribed about.


-RK


On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Abhilash <mailto:abhilashu...@gmail.com>> wrote:


This is something worth exploring.

The en.wikipedia do give details, but only on the basis of the
scientific names. The brand specific names are not listed much,
unless they are very famous. Having said that trying to capture
the full list of drugs from manufacturers could be a very tedious
task (esp considering they may keep on getting them
updated/deleted/modified/renamed). More simple and trustworthy
would be to expand whatever is available and add more
generic/scientific compound name into wikipedia or a separate
pharmacology/pharmacopeia section under wikipedia.

Oral citations and citations from SME's would be the way to go.

Abhi


On 22-Nov-2011 9:03 AM, Vickram Crishna wrote:

I am not familiar with the online availability of pharmaceutical
information of drugs made in India. Do websites of manufacturers
not list the drugs they make? Is there any issue with citing the
manufacturer's list of drugs?

What about online pharmacopeia? Do Indian associations not list
the drugs made in India? It seems to me this is a very basic
requirement, the lack of which (if correct) can be addressed by
an RTI to the Ministry of Health, possible bringing about a
solution within months.

A very similar action could happen with indigenous pharmacopeia,
but there may be genuine difficulty with an authoritative source
for the medicines/manufacturers/vendors/formulations, as the
regulations for these may not be of the same order. Again, there
is no logical reason why this situation should be permitted or
encouraged to continue - it is in our own interest to see it
improve. Oral citations may be the way forward.

2011/11/22 ViswaPrabha (?) mailto:viswapra...@gmail.com>>

User: Netha Hussain +1



On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:42, Netha Hussain
mailto:nethahuss...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I
work on
ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing
pharmacology-related
articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same
insufficiency you
mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering
various drugs
their actions and side effects, but most often they are
not useful to
the public as these articles do not contain the
proprietary(trade)
names of the drugs.
 Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those
from the US or
UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is
such  that if
an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a
drug, it
gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People
often search
for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the
generic names
of the same. The end result is that those looking for
information
about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites
other than
Wikipedia.

Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward
to. Though I
am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this
project(or
similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.

Regards
User: Netha Hussain



On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally
mailto:radhakrishna.arvapa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Some time back I was looking for some drug information
(which was in my
> doctor's prescription).
> Then I was thinking why that information was not there
in wikipedia.
> I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of
information.
>
> http://www.mims.com/index.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wiki Drugs

2011-11-22 Thread Abhilash

This is something worth exploring.

The en.wikipedia do give details, but only on the basis of the 
scientific names. The brand specific names are not listed much, unless 
they are very famous. Having said that trying to capture the full list 
of drugs from manufacturers could be a very tedious task (esp 
considering they may keep on getting them 
updated/deleted/modified/renamed). More simple and trustworthy would be 
to expand whatever is available and add more generic/scientific compound 
name into wikipedia or a separate pharmacology/pharmacopeia section 
under wikipedia.


Oral citations and citations from SME's would be the way to go.

Abhi

On 22-Nov-2011 9:03 AM, Vickram Crishna wrote:
I am not familiar with the online availability of pharmaceutical 
information of drugs made in India. Do websites of manufacturers not 
list the drugs they make? Is there any issue with citing the 
manufacturer's list of drugs?


What about online pharmacopeia? Do Indian associations not list the 
drugs made in India? It seems to me this is a very basic requirement, 
the lack of which (if correct) can be addressed by an RTI to the 
Ministry of Health, possible bringing about a solution within months.


A very similar action could happen with indigenous pharmacopeia, but 
there may be genuine difficulty with an authoritative source for the 
medicines/manufacturers/vendors/formulations, as the regulations for 
these may not be of the same order. Again, there is no logical reason 
why this situation should be permitted or encouraged to continue - it 
is in our own interest to see it improve. Oral citations may be the 
way forward.


2011/11/22 ViswaPrabha (?) >


User: Netha Hussain +1



On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 23:42, Netha Hussain
mailto:nethahuss...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I am a 3rd year student of medicine from Kerala.Though I work on
ml.wikipedia, I have recently started editing pharmacology-related
articles on en.wikipedia. I have noticed the same
insufficiency you
mentioned. On Wikipedia, we do have articles covering various
drugs
their actions and side effects, but most often they are not
useful to
the public as these articles do not contain the proprietary(trade)
names of the drugs.
 Most of the trade names listed in Wikipedia are those from
the US or
UK. Presently, the state of things in en.wikipedia is such
 that if
an Indian trade name is added to the  Wikipedia page of a drug, it
gets deleted soon because of notability reasons. People often
search
for the trade names on Wikipedia as they do not know the
generic names
of the same. The end result is that those looking for information
about a particular drug on google end up reaching sites other than
Wikipedia.

Projects of this kind are something I am looking forward to.
Though I
am still a student, I would like to get invloved in this
project(or
similar projects) if ever we plan to launch it.

Regards
User: Netha Hussain



On 11/20/11, RadhaKrishna Arvapally
mailto:radhakrishna.arvapa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> Some time back I was looking for some drug information
(which was in my
> doctor's prescription).
> Then I was thinking why that information was not there in
wikipedia.
> I found few wonderful sites which gives that kind of
information.
>
> http://www.mims.com/index.aspx?Ctry=IN
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/
> http://www.webmd.com
>
> I searched on google for information on a drug prescribed by
my doctor.
> collected lots of info from various sources and added to
wikipedia. And I
> was hoping I can add few more drugs when ever I visit a
doctor. later my
> article was deleted quoting advertising of my own product.
>
> I was thinking some kind of wikiDrug would help in understanding
> composition, use, side effects of each drug.
> Incubation of such project would be helpful.
>
> I found the following website which use wikipedia's logo
too. I am sure
> this is nothing to do with wikimedia foundation project.
(see the copyright
> in the bottom)
> http://wikidrugs.org/
>
> It is imitation of wikipedia.
>
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> A.Radha Krishna
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Arkrishna
>


--
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*nethahussain.blogspot.com 
swethaambari.wordpress.com *

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot

2011-11-15 Thread Abhilash

Srikanth

With all respect, let me ask, what are we trying to do here. To change 
the so called "Indian Students mentality" or trying to spur the growth 
of Wikipedia in India?


This is getting too personal and creating a wedge between one of the 
most well known knowledge communities in the world. Please please 
please, let us put a stop to this.


This conversation/thread has to STOP at any cost. This is not doing any 
good than getting things personal. I hope better sense prevail.


Abhi

On 16-Nov-2011 12:15 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:



On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 23:11, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay 
mailto:debast...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The Indian community however, still expects that students will
come to them for help and they shall help.


I never got an answer for the question "Does your college profs come 
to your home and help you in doing the assignments?". I wont blame any 
single person, to stereotype this is exactly "Indian students' 
mentality" and this is a very big problem. It is very difficult to do 
anything at all even if we have 1000 global admins willing to sign up 
as ambassadors.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Let's *Talk*

2011-11-15 Thread Abhilash

+1

From one another of those silent spectator or quiet one.. :)

A pilot program is undertaken to always test the situation and gauge how 
it would deliver in a real life situation. That is exactly why it is 
known as a pilot or a UAT or a test.


With due respect to others in the thread, whoever has been expressing 
their opinions and thoughts, lets be honest about the fact that the Pune 
Pilot has been a success, a resounding success. The pilot was intended 
to be a learning experience and you should be taking back that learning 
to fine tune the future initiatives. It needs to be gauged on the 
learning that has been gained and nothing else, absolutely nothing else 
should be the benchmark.


Let us only look at what has been gained and not at what has been lost. 
May be that is the Indian mentality, but that is a mentality which is 
encouraging for all those CA's to contribute further and evolve 
themselves as better Wikipedians.


Abhi

On 15-Nov-2011 9:52 AM, Hisham wrote:

Hi Folks

I'm deliberately opening a new mail chain on this.  This is at the 
risk of me being told off for doing so - but I believe that email 
protocol is one thing - but communication philosophy is (arguably) 
even more critical.


I (and personally upsetting to me, others at India Programs - namely 
Nitika & the Campus Ambassadors) have taken some beating over the past 
few days.  Some has been personal and not been circumspect or 
constructive; not pretty.  I have been touched by the offlist messages 
of comfort and support that I and the others have got.


I am exceedingly worried about the impact it has had on team morale. 
 To all those who have criticised the India Education Program, spare a 
thought for the volunteers who have helped out on this.  I want to 
tell the Campus Ambassadors to be strong and keep your chins up.  You 
guys have been incredible.  Hand on heart, you have given your hearts 
and souls and have conducted probably the single biggest Wikipedia 
outreach program in the world.  (btw, I really don't care if someone 
wants to tag this as {citation required.})  You have taken time out of 
your working lives and college days.  I know how tough it's been  - 
conducting more than 100 in-class sessions, working with so many 
students and faculty, reaching out on email and talk pages and SMS and 
mobile calls and social networks and in canteens, poring over student 
entries, learning Wikipedia policies, figuring out new tools to help 
your work, building relationships  with other editors across the 
globe, doing the back-breaking documentation that's been required on 
project & course pages, and I can go on and on and on.  I know that 
sustaining this level of motivation and energy over months has been 
hard on you.  I also know some of you faltered.  I know some of you 
wanted to scream and kick someone some times, maybe even many people 
many times! Keep the faith, guys.


I am sorry for the personal attack on Nitika.  To her, I want to 
publicly apologise.  I know her to be hard-working, diligent, honest, 
competent and an all-round professional.  She's new and she's learning 
and has and will make mistakes - like all of us do.  It is fantastic 
to have her on the team.  Period.


The program is a pilot - and we made a ton of mistakes.  Sorry, let me 
rephrase that.  I led the initiative so all responsibility should be 
mine.  I made a ton of mistakes.  I promise the following.  We will 
have a thorough, honest and fact based evaluation.  We will be open to 
make all the changes that are required.  We will not let the events of 
the past few days force us into a bunker mentality.  We will be open 
and we will be intellectually rigorous.  We will learn and we will 
improve. The India opportunity is massive - and our ambitions are 
huge.  It is also fraught with challenges.  Unless we try and do 
things - new and tough and complex things - we will never be able to 
realise our true potential.


I know that some who have participated in these exchanges are driven 
by an awe-inspiring love and passion for Wikipedia.  I urge you to 
continue to come forward and work with others and us.  Come forward 
early though - and stay engaged through the journey.  It will have ups 
and downs.


On communication, I urge everyone to maintain WP:CIVILITY and WP:NPOV 
in all our interactions.  On this - and to be fair - quite a few other 
interactions recently on totally unrelated topics (and involving a 
whole host of others), I daresay we have drifted from core Wikipedia 
principles.  These should apply to us to all our community's 
interactions as religiously as we apply them to our projects.


I would urge folks who agree with me to write back.  Even a +1 will 
do.  Let's hear the voices of the quieter folks.  Let's hear from the 
folks who don't always get involved in mailing list exchanges out of 
either apprehension or apathy.  Let's move forward.


Warm Regards,

hisham



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] About Photo Identity

2011-10-01 Thread Abhilash
AFAIK PAN Card is used as only a Photo/Identity/DoB Proof. It does not 
have any other details printed, hence it should work.


Having said that I would leave it to be commented on further by the Wiki 
Conference officials.


Abhi

On 10/2/2011 5:42 AM, Sachin Ambani wrote:


Is PAN card used as Photo id?
My passport and my voter-id card both are in middle of processing and 
I don't have any photo id like Passport and Voter-id bt have PAN card 
which is as well authentic and issued by Govt. Of India.
Its very kind of you all if you consider this and let me in with my 
PAN card as my Photo id. I already done my registration to attend 
wiki-2011 conference.



Seeking answer from ur side. ASAP

Thank You

Shivam Mishra

email-theulti...@gmail.com 

Contact No.9454967117



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Trying to contact User:Swarupkrishna

2011-09-28 Thread Abhilash
Hello Ashwin

Just trying to get in touch with him. I was able to reach him on phone. 
What would you want him to do. Just reply back to the 
wikiconferencein...@gmail.com email id?

Abhi

On 9/28/2011 8:28 PM, nazmun noor wrote:
> no information is avilable now .
>
> On 9/28/11, Ashwin Baindur  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to reach Mr Swarupkrishnamurthy (User:Swarupkrishna ) of
>> Hyderabad in connection with the scholarship he has been awarded. However
>> the email he gave us is defective.
>>
>> The gentleman is a user on En&  Telugu Wikipedia. His username also does not
>> appear on en:WP
>>
>> Can someone please ask him to get in touch with me at this email id or at
>> the email id
>>
>> wikiconferencein...@gmail.com
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WCI 2011 Registrations: SBI maestro payment not accepted

2011-09-22 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Maestro card if I am not requires a PIN entry for each Merchant POS
transaction. That might be the reason the transaction is failing for you.

Regards, Abhi

Sent from my Hand Phone. Please excuse brevity and mistakes.
On Sep 23, 2011 1:26 AM, "Arun Ganesh"  wrote:
> Is anyone facing an issue paying with maestro SBI debit card?
> I left the expiry date and cvv numbers blank (since SBI cards do not have
> them) and transaction was rejected. Can someone confirm that it is a real
> problem?
>
>
> --
> j.mp/ArunGanesh 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Vote for the Conference Logo

2011-06-27 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Not sure how to vote, can you help me please.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:52 PM,  wrote:

>  Hiya,
>
> With the deadline for submitting LOGO designs for WikiConference lapsing
> today, we now request everyone to vote for the design they would like to see
> as the logo of WikiConference India from the eight designs submitted. 
> *Deadline
> for voting is 2.30PM on 29 June 2011* (48 hours from now).
>
> You see all the designs and vote here:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WikiConference_India_2011#Logo
>
> Kind Regards,
> User:AroundTheGlobe
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Technical Help Needed

2011-06-23 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Arnav

This is now working as per design

Abhi

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Arnav Chaudhary
wrote:

> yeah.
>
> this is just for testing to in future, we can use this.also, for
> streamlining the process.
>
> Pleas update the indian list.along with the fact that it is working and if
> any changes are required.
>
> Regards,
> Arnav Chaudhary
> +91-9049039013
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Abhilash S Unni 
> wrote:
>
>> Arnav
>>
>> I got the receipt and mail with details now. This is just a test only
>> isnt. Do I need to do anything further now. I have already got my membership
>> approved and created by Gautam.
>>
>> Regards
>> Abhi
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Arnav Chaudhary <
>> arnavchaudh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> no.
>>> that mail is sent when the account is created.after clicking next on the
>>> first page.
>>>
>>> the confirmation button is needed to confirm your contribution and you
>>> are able to check your entered information.
>>>
>>> Please go on
>>> http://74.117.238.2/~wiki/index.php?q=civicrm/contribute/transact&reset=1&id=2
>>> click Please enter a user name to create an account . If you already
>>> have an account, please 
>>> login<http://74.117.238.2/~wiki/user?destination=civicrm%2Fcontribute%2Ftransact%3Freset%3D1%26id%3D2>
>>>  before
>>> completing this form.
>>>
>>> and try filling the form again.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Arnav Chaudhary
>>> +91-9049039013
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Abhilash S Unni >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I dont exactly remember. I did get the mail with a link to reset the
>>>> password. I assume that I would not get that, unless I have reached the
>>>> confirmation page. Correct me if I am wrong.
>>>> Abhi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Arnav Chaudhary <
>>>> arnavchaudh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Were you able to  see the thank you  for your support page?
>>>>>
>>>>> that is after entering the information, pressing next, you will get an
>>>>> option to check the information and after pressing confirm, you will see 
>>>>> the
>>>>> thank you page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Arnav Chaudhary
>>>>> +91-9049039013
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Abhilash S Unni <
>>>>> abhilashu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Arnav, I did not get such a PDF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Arnav Chaudhary <
>>>>>> arnavchaudh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From what i know, it will be shifted to the wikimedia.in domain
>>>>>>> after testing it successfully.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>>> when you see the  Thanks for Your Support!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> page, the mail along with a PDF is sent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Below is the sample mail along with the PDF attached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for supporting our organization with your membership. You can
>>>>>>> learn more about membership benefits from our members only page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep this receipt for your records.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will send payment by check/DD/N.E.F.T
>>>>>>>  Membership Information Membership Type General Membership FeeAmount₨ 
>>>>>>> 100.00Registered Email
>>>>>>> arnav.chaudh...@gmail.com Name and Address Individual Prefix Mr.First 
>>>>>>> NamewrwLast NameeweBirth DateJune 20th, 2011Street Address 
>>>>>>> (Home)wew2City (Home)23Postal Code (Home)we23Country (Home)IndiaState 
>>>>>>> (Home)MMPayment TypeDDInstrument/Txn DateJune 13th, 
>>>>>>> 2011Instrument/TxnRef23wMobile Number232Contact 
>>>>>>> Number(Landline)3GenderMaleVocationAcademiaHighest Educational 
>>>>>>> qualificati

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Technical Help Needed

2011-06-23 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Arnav, I did not get such a PDF.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Arnav Chaudhary
wrote:

> From what i know, it will be shifted to the wikimedia.in domain after
> testing it successfully.
>
>
> Also,
> when you see the  Thanks for Your Support!
>
> page, the mail along with a PDF is sent.
>
> Below is the sample mail along with the PDF attached.
>
> Thanks for supporting our organization with your membership. You can learn
> more about membership benefits from our members only page.
>
> Keep this receipt for your records.
>
> I will send payment by check/DD/N.E.F.T
>  Membership Information Membership Type General Membership Fee Amount ₨
> 100.00 Registered Email arnav.chaudh...@gmail.com Name and AddressIndividual 
> PrefixMr.First NamewrwLast NameeweBirth DateJune 20th, 2011Street Address 
> (Home)wew2City (Home)23Postal Code (Home)we23Country (Home)IndiaState 
> (Home)MMPayment TypeDDInstrument/Txn DateJune 13th, 
> 2011Instrument/TxnRef23wMobile Number232Contact 
> Number(Landline)3GenderMaleVocationAcademiaHighest Educational 
> qualificationSecondaryField of InterestScience and EngineeringPreferred 
> Wikimedia Projects language as EditorAssamesePreferred Wikimedia Projects 
> language as ReaderBengaliWikimedia Projects Username Wikimedia.in
> Community Wiki Username w
> Regards,
> Arnav Chaudhary
> +91-9049039013
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Gautam John wrote:
>
>> Because we're testing it. Drupal? External system? It's a CMS. And CIVICRM
>> is built on top if it.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Gautam
>> (handheld)
>> On Jun 23, 2011 4:11 PM,  wrote:
>> >
>> > Why is this page not on wikimedia.in and on an external service
>> (Drupal)?
>> >
>> >> From: gau...@prathambooks.org
>> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 12:09:11 +0530
>> >> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Technical Help Needed
>> >>
>> >> Just a reminder - we could use some help testing, please.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Gautam
>> >> 
>> >> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 22 June 2011 22:46, Gautam John  wrote:
>> >> > Hey All:
>> >> >
>> >> > Just to say that Arnav Chaudhary came forward to help with a CiviCRM
>> >> > instance and to help customise it too.
>> >> >
>> >> > A beta is here:
>> >> >
>> http://74.117.238.2/~wiki/index.php?q=civicrm/contribute/transact&reset=1&id=2
>> >> >
>> >> > Would be great if you could all play with it and enter test details
>> >> > (and an email address) and report back if it works as expected?
>> >> >
>> >> > The original use cases are below.
>> >> >
>> >> > Arnav - thank you so very much for stepping forward to help with this
>> >> > - much appreciated and many many thanks.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> >
>> >> > Gautam
>> >> > 
>> >> > http://social.prathambooks.org/
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 15 June 2011 14:04, Gautam John  wrote:
>> >> >> Hey:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was wondering is anyone here could offer some help to the Chapter
>> to
>> >> >> set up a system to process membership forms etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Essentially, what we need is:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. A front end for the applicant enter form details.
>> >> >> 2. A way to update these details with payment information, etc. as
>> and
>> >> >> when received.
>> >> >> 2. A database to store that.
>> >> >> 3. A way to generate a:
>> >> >> 3.1 Receipt
>> >> >> 3.2 Membership Number
>> >> >> 3.3 Membership Card
>> >> >> 3.4 Send an email when it is posted
>> >> >> 3.5 A PDF of the form so entered for the applicant to sign and send.
>> >> >> 4. Add the member to a mailing list
>> >> >> 5. Send reminder email as and when necessary
>> >> >> 6. It would be nice to have:
>> >> >> 6.1 A way for members to update and edit their details as and when
>> it changes
>> >> >> 7. Open source software will be preferred.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thank you.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gautam
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> http://social.prathambooks.org/
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Technical Help Needed

2011-06-23 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Arnav, When I registered on the link (drupal), I only got an email with the
from address as your email id, with a link to login and change my password
or update my profile. I never got a mail with the details I had entered in
the form.

Abhi

On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Arnav Chaudhary
wrote:

> Feature already there.
>
> Just needs some refinement.
>
> You will be sent an Email after completing the form which includes all the
> data filled and that can be signed and sent back.
>
>
> Regards,
> Arnav Chaudhary
> +91-9049039013
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala <
> arjunar...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arnav
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Arnav Chaudhary <
>> arnavchaudh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>
>>> The database error has been solved.
>>>
>>> Please continue Testing.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your initiative. I tried it and found it working nicely. Is it
>> possible to use the form as membership application form and then once the
>> details are filled, generate a report  (just like th existing membership
>> form) that can be printed and signed by the applicant?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Arjun
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for a new list

2011-06-19 Thread Abhilash S Unni
So are we going to use the same list name for every year?

That would lead to a bit of confusion isn't, when the same list name is used
year after year. Different list for each year would also make it easy in
archiving isn't?

Abhi

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:

> On the contrary, it is meant to be used tear after year :)!
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> --
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Abhilash S Unni 
> wrote:
>
>> Ashwin, How about when the conference get arranged next year. You cannot
>> still use the same list name, as that would not help in distinctiveness. May
>> be we should think about adding the year as well (in full eg:2011 instead of
>> 11). Abhi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ashwin.
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand, let me know if you need my help.
>>>
>>>
>>> Salmaan
>>> User:Theo10011
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>> ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Salmaan,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the offer! Shiju is just waiting for a reply from Casey
>>>> Browne before we file the bug. Since we have formally asked, it would be
>>>> appropriate to wait for a while for the response.
>>>>
>>>> As regards the name, there are now a large amount of activities, lists
>>>> etc communities, meet-ups etc coming up in India. We now need a finer level
>>>> of grading between Foundation, chapter and community driven ventures - 
>>>> hence
>>>> we are a little chary of appending "media" unless it is directly driven by
>>>> or associated with Chapter or Foundation. Secondly, events are of many
>>>> types, whereas we want a list specifically for the annual national
>>>> conference and perhaps other conferences in India, hence the need felt for
>>>> the word "conference".
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe you need to file a bug for this Ashwin. If you want, I can
>>>>> file it for you and get someone to close the request.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure about the title? I would suggest something like
>>>>> WikiIndia-events or Wikimediaindia-events list. So that it doesn't become
>>>>> useless after the event and can be re-used for coordinating future events.
>>>>> The naming convention for the list also depends on country codes and
>>>>> previous naming convention, Wikimediaindia-events would be a sub-list of
>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l.
>>>>>
>>>>> Salmaan
>>>>> User:Theo10011
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>> ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm user:AshLin, co-chair of the Working Group for a forthcoming
>>>>>> Wiki-conference in India in November 2011. I'm writing formally to you to
>>>>>> request for a list for that event; a request which you may have
>>>>>> already received informally from Shiju Alex.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The event will definitely be taking place on 18-20 November 2011 at
>>>>>> Mumbai and we have already requested Jimbo's presence at the event (as an
>>>>>> example of the event's firming up).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This is a joint venture between the Indian Chapter and the Indian
>>>>>> Wikimedia community and will henceforth be an annual feature. We were 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> to start communications of the Working Group on a Google Group but 
>>>>>> community
>>>>>> members have asked if our email group can be hosted by the Foundation 
>>>>>> and be
>>>>>> a mailman list. If provided, it is planned to use this list for planning 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> organising all nationa

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Request for a new list

2011-06-19 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Ashwin, How about when the conference get arranged next year. You cannot
still use the same list name, as that would not help in distinctiveness. May
be we should think about adding the year as well (in full eg:2011 instead of
11). Abhi

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Theo10011  wrote:

> Thanks Ashwin.
>
>
> I understand, let me know if you need my help.
>
>
> Salmaan
> User:Theo10011
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Ashwin Baindur 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Salmaan,
>>
>> Thanks for the offer! Shiju is just waiting for a reply from Casey Browne
>> before we file the bug. Since we have formally asked, it would be
>> appropriate to wait for a while for the response.
>>
>> As regards the name, there are now a large amount of activities, lists etc
>> communities, meet-ups etc coming up in India. We now need a finer level of
>> grading between Foundation, chapter and community driven ventures - hence we
>> are a little chary of appending "media" unless it is directly driven by or
>> associated with Chapter or Foundation. Secondly, events are of many types,
>> whereas we want a list specifically for the annual national conference and
>> perhaps other conferences in India, hence the need felt for the word
>> "conference".
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe you need to file a bug for this Ashwin. If you want, I can file
>>> it for you and get someone to close the request.
>>>
>>> Are you sure about the title? I would suggest something like
>>> WikiIndia-events or Wikimediaindia-events list. So that it doesn't become
>>> useless after the event and can be re-used for coordinating future events.
>>> The naming convention for the list also depends on country codes and
>>> previous naming convention, Wikimediaindia-events would be a sub-list of
>>> Wikimediaindia-l.
>>>
>>> Salmaan
>>> User:Theo10011
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>> ashwin.bain...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I'm user:AshLin, co-chair of the Working Group for a forthcoming
 Wiki-conference in India in November 2011. I'm writing formally to you to
 request for a list for that event; a request which you may have
 already received informally from Shiju Alex.

 The event will definitely be taking place on 18-20 November 2011 at
 Mumbai and we have already requested Jimbo's presence at the event (as an
 example of the event's firming up).

  This is a joint venture between the Indian Chapter and the Indian
 Wikimedia community and will henceforth be an annual feature. We were about
 to start communications of the Working Group on a Google Group but 
 community
 members have asked if our email group can be hosted by the Foundation and 
 be
 a mailman list. If provided, it is planned to use this list for planning 
 and
 organising all national wikiconferences in India henceforth.

 The advantages, we feel, are that the list and its archives will be
 preserved and secure while the Foundation exists, ease of use & interface 
 as
 all of us are used to mailman lists for community communication to date and
 that the future of the group will not be dependent upon Google policies.

 We request that the list be named  "WikiConference India", to
 distinguish it from other types of WikiConferences such as the Wikimania
 series.

 Should other countries decide to have annual national conferences,
 perhaps their lists could be named "WikiConference " (where  is 
 name
 of the country) similarly.

 Looking forward to a positive and early response so that we can begin
 our organising activities.

 Warm regards,

 Ashwin Baindur
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

2011-06-17 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Either ways it should work. The Railtel backbone (if existing) can be used
for live streaming, as was done in the case of Hurtigruta. Or a simple video
recorder should do the trick for a taped video production.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I don't really think we need to live-cast. We could easily video tape and
> upload it to Wikimedia Commons.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> On 17 June 2011 16:32, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:
>
>> I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have
>> some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the
>> existing railway network.
>>
>> Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband
>> internet connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.
>>
>> Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought
>>
>> Abhi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
>> pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of
>>> the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it
>>> under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
>>>
>>> Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
>>>
>>> warm regards,
>>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>>
>>> On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get
>>>> any response!
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
>>>> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
>>>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta -
>>>> another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
>>>> interested in such a project.
>>>>
>>>> warm regards,
>>>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>>>
>>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>>> From: *John Erling Blad* 
>>>> Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
>>>> Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
>>>> from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>>> To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
>>>> cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
>>>> production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
>>>> five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
>>>> making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
>>>> day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
>>>> coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
>>>> (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
>>>> Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
>>>> also available at commons
>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
>>>>
>>>> This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
>>>> too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
>>>> travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
>>>> In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
>>>> videos? Just an idea.
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation

2011-06-17 Thread Abhilash S Unni
I remember reading a news items about the plan for indian railways to have
some sort of national internet broadband network, riding on top of the
existing railway network.

Railtel Corporation of India Ltd, was supposed to provide broadband internet
connection in Kerala. Not sure how far the project has advanced.

Couldn't that network be used for such live streaming... just a thought

Abhi

On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> hi,
>
> I was wondering if they would allow recording equipment to take video of
> the whole 64,215 km of tracks that the Indian Railway has and release it
> under a Creative Commons (CC-BY) license licensed to Indian Railways.
>
> Crazy but could be done. There are railway enthusiasts.
>
> warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> On 17 June 2011 16:06,  wrote:
>
>>  Email the General Manager, Western Railways - but I doubt you will get
>> any response!
>>
>>  --
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:53:04 +0530
>> From: pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
>> To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another
>> strange video project from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> I wonder if anybody in the Indian Railways or cruise ships would be
>> interested in such a project.
>>
>> warm regards,
>> Pradeep Mohandas
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: *John Erling Blad* 
>> Date: 17 June 2011 03:04
>> Subject: [cultural-partners] Hurtigruta - another strange video project
>> from Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation
>> To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination <
>> cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch>
>>
>>
>> In 2010 the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation made a strange video
>> production «Bergenbanen» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_Line), a
>> five hour contineous video streamed live from the train. Now they are
>> making «Hurtigruta» (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurtigruten), a five
>> day contineous video from the ships travelling along the Norwegian
>> coastline. The stream should be available worlwide
>> (http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/). The previous stream about
>> Bergensbanen is made available under a creative commons license and is
>> also available at commons
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bergensbanen_1280x720.ogv).
>>
>> This kind of documentary video should be possible in other contexts
>> too. What about the steamboat «Skibladner»
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibladner) at lake Mjøsa? Or the boats
>> travelling Göta Kanal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6ta_Canal)?
>> In general, what if we could build a rig to make such documentary
>> videos? Just an idea.
>>
>> John
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Administrative maps of India and states.

2011-06-07 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Does this help.

http://censusindia.gov.in/Footer_Menus/Disclaimer.html

The site mentions
that

quote

*Copyright:*

Material on this site subject to copyright unless otherwise indicated. The
material may be downloaded without requiring prior permission. Any other
proposed use of the material is subject to the approval of ORGI - New Delhi.
Application for obtaining permission should be made to ORGI, New Delhi

unquote


Regards

Abhi

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Gautam John  wrote:

> On 8 June 2011 01:03, Vickram Crishna  wrote:
>
> > OK. No offense taken. Your legal grounding is well established, as we all
> > know.
>
> Oh sorry - none meant! Apologies if it sounded otherwise.
>
> > Can anyone please point me to the relevant link (for the census data,
> > because the Census Authority is distinctly constituted at arm's length
> from
> > the Government of India)? I would like to review the pertinent
> restrictions,
> > for this list.
>
> http://copyright.gov.in/Documents/CopyrightRules1957.pdf
>
> 28. Term of copyright in Government work.- In the case of Government
> work, where Government is the first owner of the copyright therein,
> copyright shall subsist until [Sixty] years from the beginning of the
> calendar year next following the year in which the work is first
> published.
>
> Where Government work is defined as:
>
> (k) "Government work" means a work which is made or published by or
> under the direction or control
> of-
> (i) the Government or any department of the Government;
> (ii) any Legislature in India;
> (iii) any court, tribunal or other judicial authority in India;
>
> My reading is that the Census Authority is very much a part of
> government. A question that I have been thinking about is whether
> census data (in the raw form and not the presentation) is capable of
> being copyrighted.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Best,
>
> Gautam
> 
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Delhi Chapter (User:AroundTheGlobe)

2011-06-07 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Correction : A humble request in the interest of wikipedia community in
India.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Delhi Chapter (User:AroundTheGlobe)

2011-06-07 Thread Abhilash S Unni
SR and everyone else out there, who might be furiously drafting replies to
me or to Mayur or to SR, Lets just leave this as it is. Please..

A humble request in the request of wikipedia community in India.

Let us just not have these kind of un-necessary divides and feelings coming
in between.

Abhi

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:

> Yes, Hindi is at second position among Indian languages.
> Malayalam is first.
> They did it without a chapter.
> And workshops and activities aren't a waste of time.
> That's how things got done in the Malayalam wikipedia.
>
> You have a lot to learn my friend, a long long way to go.
>
> Cheers,
> SR
>
>
> On 7 June 2011 18:47, mayur  wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your suggestion!, we always love to learn from other.Let me
>> tell you that we all are creating content. We just sent a mail to delhi
>> wikimedians to join this chapter Initiative I don't know why this discussion
>> went so long.We just told our purpose and we don't care that what anybody
>> outside of our Community is doing, We just want to grow our community and
>> Langguage Projects.Hindi is the Largest Language of India with about 45
>> crore Hindi Speakers.We are not Competing with Local Indian Languages, we
>> want to compete with other biggest languages of the world.That's why i used
>> the term "Excellent".We didn't waste our time in workshops and meetups,
>> Inspite of this we among the Top Indic Wikipedia Project by number of Active
>> users.
>> .However Accoding to Our languagge Size this achievement is very very
>> small,We learnt from another small languages wikipeida that taking Intiative
>> for workshops and meetups are very useful to grow your community and its not
>> a time wastage.Most of the Hindi Wkipedian like to write articles rather
>> than conducting meetups and workshops.But it doen't mean that we don't have
>> a community.We are still one of the biggest community if consider no of
>> Active users.Thanks all for your suggestions.
>>
>> Warm Regards
>> Mayur
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:.
>>
>>> Subhashish listed out a few initiatives he is working on for the Odisha
>>> Wikipeda.
>>> Learn from him.
>>> Instead of hankering about for a Chapter, he is busy on content creation,
>>> Outreach, getting more people enthusaistic, etc.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 June 2011 10:53, mayur  wrote:
>>>
 Hmm, Building Community will be benificial for both , ourself and Delhi
 Chapter too.:), Its a very long process, building community is our first 
 Aim
 then to proceed for Delhi Chapter and Many other Wikimedia Movements too.
   On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Bishakha Datta <
 bishakhada...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:05 PM, mayur  wrote:
>
>> Till then we can arrange some workshops and meetup to finish the first
>> step to move ahead the creation of Delhi Chapter as Nooper & Bishaka
>> Suggested.
>>
>> Dear Mayur,
>
> Oops! I suggested getting the community together as an end in itself -
> not as a means or first step to creating a Delhi chapter.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Delhi Chapter (User:AroundTheGlobe)

2011-06-07 Thread Abhilash S Unni
This is going nowhere... and lots of misconceptions !!!

I just cant help myself commenting... Hope some sense would prevail over a
period of time.

As a fence sitter, it pains a lot when I see these kind of mails going back
and forth as part of a thread, related to a community as cohesive and
closely knit as wikipedia is.

Can everyone just bury this hatchet and move along. All the best wishes to
Mayur and Vibhi and all the wikipedians from Delhi.

Thanks, Abhi

On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:47 PM, mayur  wrote:

> Thank you for your suggestion!, we always love to learn from other.Let me
> tell you that we all are creating content. We just sent a mail to delhi
> wikimedians to join this chapter Initiative I don't know why this discussion
> went so long.We just told our purpose and we don't care that what anybody
> outside of our Community is doing, We just want to grow our community and
> Langguage Projects.Hindi is the Largest Language of India with about 45
> crore Hindi Speakers.We are not Competing with Local Indian Languages, we
> want to compete with other biggest languages of the world.That's why i used
> the term "Excellent".We didn't waste our time in workshops and meetups,
> Inspite of this we among the Top Indic Wikipedia Project by number of Active
> users.
> .However Accoding to Our languagge Size this achievement is very very
> small,We learnt from another small languages wikipeida that taking Intiative
> for workshops and meetups are very useful to grow your community and its not
> a time wastage.Most of the Hindi Wkipedian like to write articles rather
> than conducting meetups and workshops.But it doen't mean that we don't have
> a community.We are still one of the biggest community if consider no of
> Active users.Thanks all for your suggestions.
>
> Warm Regards
> Mayur
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:.
>
>> Subhashish listed out a few initiatives he is working on for the Odisha
>> Wikipeda.
>> Learn from him.
>> Instead of hankering about for a Chapter, he is busy on content creation,
>> Outreach, getting more people enthusaistic, etc.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 June 2011 10:53, mayur  wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, Building Community will be benificial for both , ourself and Delhi
>>> Chapter too.:), Its a very long process, building community is our first Aim
>>> then to proceed for Delhi Chapter and Many other Wikimedia Movements too.
>>>   On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Bishakha Datta <
>>> bishakhada...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>


  On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:05 PM, mayur  wrote:

> Till then we can arrange some workshops and meetup to finish the first
> step to move ahead the creation of Delhi Chapter as Nooper & Bishaka
> Suggested.
>
> Dear Mayur,

 Oops! I suggested getting the community together as an end in itself -
 not as a means or first step to creating a Delhi chapter.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Delhi Chapter (User:AroundTheGlobe)

2011-06-06 Thread Abhilash S Unni
I do not think this discussion is going anywhere and as someone has
mentioned during the discussion its getting dirtier as well. I am going back
to being fence-sitter without commenting.

Before that, I would like to bring to the notice of Mayur how some of the
regional wikimedia movements has attained a lot without local chapters. I
have heard lots of traction going on about Odisha. Campus Ambassador program
being launched in Pune. Malayalam wiki (as a proud mallu), having traction
and meets being organised. All these was done without any local chapter in
place.

When you say that the India Chapter is not going to do anything for your
community, you are undermining the hard-work the volunteers have done till
now for the wikimedia movement all over the country without any bias.

We wouldn't have reached this stage of having the foundation office being
setup in Delhi without their contribution as well Mayur, please do not
forget that. All we are trying to say here is whether we need to look at a
local chapter without having enough traction as a good community in place.

As you yourself has said, setup a good community, have meetups and
discussion, get more volunteers as enthusiastic as Vibhi to join up, make a
mark and then have the local chapter setup to guide yourself to an excellent
community.

Healthy competition is what we need here, this discussion is now more or
less turning out to be a personal and vindicative attack in a subtle way on
many wikipedians out here who has been doing appreciable work for long.

Please let us not do that and put an end to this discussion and work towards
the common goal as a unified community.

Thanks
Abhi


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:

> Not having expectations is not anybody's fault.
> Simply saying that the chapter isn't doing anything for your community and
> is doing for thr other without substantial proof is however somebody's
> fault.
> I'll let you figure out whose fault it is.
> --Regards,
>
>
> On 6 June 2011 19:05, mayur  wrote:
>
>> We don't have any expectatins from india chapter that why we are planning
>> to make Delhi Chapter to grow our Community in delhi, Let hope if this
>> chapter can do anything for indian community.Till then we can arrange some
>> workshops and meetup to finish the first step to move ahead the creation
>> of Delhi Chapter as Nooper & Bishaka Suggested.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Abhilash S Unni 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And my question Mayur (as a fencesitter for this entire conversation is),
>>> whether the approach has been right, tone has been right and the discussion
>>> has been right?
>>>
>>> The India chapter just started operations a few months back, isn't it
>>> prudent for all to wait and see how it is evolving before opening up
>>> chapters all over. A non-starter is as good as not having one. With as much
>>> respect to all who is behind the initiative for a Delhi chapter, I honestly
>>> think you should give reasonable time to the India Chapter and the
>>> Foundation office being setup in Delhi to mature before embarking on having
>>> more chapter offices in India.
>>>
>>> Abhi
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM, mayur  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My answer would be to grow from good to Excellent Community
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Mayur
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is exactly my question.
>>>>> If you can get a good community, why would you want a Chapter all for
>>>>> yourself?
>>>>> --SR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6 June 2011 14:21, mayur  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>I just discussed that  if we can gather a good community in
>>>>>> delhi,  then we will proceed further for Creation of Chapter.Its  not 
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> to aim a Chapter without having Good Community.We will proceed further 
>>>>>> if we
>>>>>> get 10-20 member.Plz don't make it a serious issue.We all are part of the
>>>>>> Same family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Mayur
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>>>>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vibhi,
>>>>>>> As far as

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Delhi Chapter (User:AroundTheGlobe)

2011-06-06 Thread Abhilash S Unni
And my question Mayur (as a fencesitter for this entire conversation is),
whether the approach has been right, tone has been right and the discussion
has been right?

The India chapter just started operations a few months back, isn't it
prudent for all to wait and see how it is evolving before opening up
chapters all over. A non-starter is as good as not having one. With as much
respect to all who is behind the initiative for a Delhi chapter, I honestly
think you should give reasonable time to the India Chapter and the
Foundation office being setup in Delhi to mature before embarking on having
more chapter offices in India.

Abhi

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM, mayur  wrote:

> My answer would be to grow from good to Excellent Community
>
> Thanks
> Mayur
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That is exactly my question.
>> If you can get a good community, why would you want a Chapter all for
>> yourself?
>> --SR
>>
>>
>> On 6 June 2011 14:21, mayur  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>I just discussed that  if we can gather a good community in
>>> delhi,  then we will proceed further for Creation of Chapter.Its  not about
>>> to aim a Chapter without having Good Community.We will proceed further if we
>>> get 10-20 member.Plz don't make it a serious issue.We all are part of the
>>> Same family.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Mayur
>>>
>>>   On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Vibhi,
 As far as I know, the Chapter, is registered in K'taka and as per K'taka
 rules you need to be above 18 to be a part of it. I'm pretty sure this age
 rule is commons throughout the country. If it is, even if you do get a
 chapter, you'll have to wait 5 years to be a member.
 You're13. The same age, I was when I joined Wikipedia.
 I suggest you concentrate on your edits.
 I see you have good language skills, why don't you focus on local
 wikiprojects?
 Or help me translate Huggle to Hindi or Samskrit?
 Have a look: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huggle/Localization

 Arun, Naveen, and I had held a Samskrit academy last year in Bangalore.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academy/India/2010/Bangalore1
 The people who attended it are still active on Samskrit Wikipedia. Get
 in touch with Arun or me, we can plug you into their Google Group.

 Are you interested in Photography?
 Or editing images? Maps perhaps?
 Get in touch with PlaneMad, Logicwiki, SBC-YPR, naveenpf or me, we can
 collectively contribute to the Commons.

 If you are interested in bird watching, I'm pretty sure User:Shyamal
 will be more than happy to help you identify  birds and upload pictures.

 Or are you into coding?
 Get in touch with Logicwiki, Tinucherian or Yuvipanda.
 I'm pretty sure you can improve your edits and contributions thru these
 channels.

 My best wishes to you.

 --Regards,
 SR.


   On 6 June 2011 13:02, Bishakha Datta  wrote:

>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bishakha,
>>
>> Just to point out, our community was going super strong in the first
>> half of 2009, before our first meetup at Tinu Cherian's house in July 
>> 2009.
>> We were colaborating, discussing and working together, on Wikipedia 
>> itself.
>> Without the mailing list, knowing each other, offline, on Facebook or
>> Twitter ...
>> Ask anyone in the Banglore community, purely by using Users talk pages
>> we got several GA and FA level articles. Gdibyendu, SBC-YPR, me and
>> Logicwiki got Transport in India elevated to GA, without knowing each 
>> other
>> offline.
>>
> Got it - didn't mean to suggest offline better than online.
>
> Totally agree on the basic point: building a strong community, by any
> means necessary.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Delhi Chapter

2011-06-05 Thread Abhilash S Unni
All

A fence sitter here, and a South Indian.. a mallu to the core.. :)

Mayur, Vibhi and all out there, here I am talking from very much of an
outsider perspective.

I would agree to the point that Mayur has made about having an
un-intentional  bias which would creep in. Honestly that might happen with
any organisation/movement and WM is also not immune to that. Having said
that, I am proud to be part of this movement and I would not have stayed
here as part of the movement if I noticed something like such a bias
anywhere in the activity. And I can say that with much more conviction than
most of the volunteers who contributes to wikimedia and threads into this
mailing list esp. since as I said at the start of the note that I am a fence
sitter. The ones like me would be the one to notice such bias the moment it
crops up in the thread or movement.

Sadly, I feel that north-south divide and bias was noticed in the note from
Vibhi, and me being fence sitter immediately noticed that and has forced me
to write this note...!!! Taking names additionally do not add anything
positive to that feeling.

We are one, and we should be one, contributing to each other, and only then
this would grow and attain the heights and standards which is there for us
to capture.

Let us put it this way, if the Delhi wikipedians feel that there is a need
to create a new chapter, and there are enough volunteers to back the
proposal, we can go ahead with the proposal and guide it to the logical
conclusion.

Just for the sake of having one, there is no point in setting up one. It
would only lead to an eventual death and a more painful one for all the
volunteers, pan india.

If such a chapter shortens the way for the exponential growth of WM in the
country and esp in a metro like Delhi, all of us are game for it. I hope
that is what all would be feeling.

Regards
Abhi


On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 11:32 PM, mayur  wrote:

> Hi all,
> In reply to above posts i want to make one point clear that I
> agreed to create a new chapter in Delhi with Vibhijain but that is just a
> proposal and this will be done if we get atleast 20 Participants. Two
> options are better than one.As of now we Observed that whole Wikimedia and
> Chapter Activities are Concentrated towards South India.New Delhi is one of
> the biggest Educational City of India and it should be our Target.But as
> most of the Volunteers in India Chapter are from South India so its
> difficult for them to communicate and make awareness regarding Wiki culture
> in North India Portion.Wikimedia Delhi Chapter will build and unite a
> Healthy North Indian Wiki Community.But its doesn't mean that we are
> different and our goals are different, its just about to shorten your
> way.Whether the new chapter request is approved or not,I assured you all
> that we will work Unitedly.
>
>
> With Regards
> Mayur
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
>
>> You are not articulating your position quite well here. There already is a
>> national chapter. Sub-national chapters aren't very common.
>>
>> Can someone else from your supporters speak up? Mayur, are you reading
>> this? I left a message on your page on hi.wiki about his wikimania bid a
>> couple of weeks ago.
>>
>> As I recall vibhi, you also applied for the Grant Advisory committee [1]
>> along with several other people, either way, I assure you committee seat is
>> not a criteria for chapter formation.
>>
>>
>> Salmaan
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Call_For_Volunteers
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Vibhi Jain  wrote:
>>
>>> Well I have placed the chapter request with a lot of discussion with
>>> Mayur, a member of the Grand Advisory Committee. We have the support of
>>> many hindi wikipedians including two crats, Mayur and Ashish. And we will
>>> soon get the support from more 20 wikipedians. Wikimedia India chapter is
>>> mainly Concentrated toward South Indian Languages, New Chapter in New delhi
>>> will help make a good community in India. Well Tinu, you are right, you
>>> don't need more organisations, but we need. Well, 10-20 people interested
>>> are needed for a chapter, lets see, if we gets them, then only we will
>>> proceed.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Individual membership of Wikimedia Chapter is now open.

2011-05-13 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Thanks Anirudha/Srikanth

I think the form mentions a mode of electronic payment. We can use NEFT
facility to transfer funds to the account mentioned and then give those
details in the form to have the application processed.

Arjuna Rao Chavala, can you please confirm that

I am cc'ing this mail to members...@wikimedia.in as well, probably they can
confirm that.

Abhi



On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Abhilash,
> Yes, anybody who is an Indian Citizen, aged above 18 can join.
> I guess Anirudh beat me to the answer.
> Also, is there a Bank challan method of making the payment?
> --Regards,
> Srikanth.
>
>
> On 13 May 2011 23:16, Abhilash S Unni  wrote:
>
>> Can a non active member to these mailing lists, but a fencesitter at this
>> time due to other commitments, however a diehard wikipedia fan having an
>> account in wikipedia take a membership?
>>
>> Abhi
>>
>> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
>> rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Finally. I can now register.
>>> However, I have a question.
>>> What are the methods of payment that are available?
>>> --Regards,
>>> Srikanth.
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2011 21:50, Arjuna Rao Chavala wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi  Wikimedians,
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter, I am glad to
>>>> announce the opening of individual membership for Wikimedia Chapter. The
>>>> membership form is available at
>>>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/wiki/File:WikimediaChapterMembershipFormIndividualV1.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Benefits of membership include  the following:
>>>>
>>>>- Service to the Society
>>>>   - Part of the Wikimedia Chapter in India and support its mission.
>>>>
>>>>   - Participate in shaping the activities and focus of the chapter.
>>>>
>>>>   - Participate in shaping the activities and focus of the chapter
>>>>   by.
>>>>   Standing for  open EC positions
>>>>   Voting for EC positions and resolutions of General body
>>>>   - Represent Wikimedia Chapter after appropriate authorisations
>>>>- Other benefits
>>>>   - Opportunity to network with other Wikimedians which can be
>>>>   helpful for your career.
>>>>   - Discounted prices for Chapter events that have an admission fee
>>>>   and publications that are paid.
>>>>   - Subscription to members only communication mailing list and
>>>>   wiki.(to be launched soon)
>>>>
>>>> If you have questions, please contact by email to
>>>> members...@wikimedia.in
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to welcoming you as members of Wikimedia Chapter.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
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>>>> President, Wikimedia Chapter, India
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Individual membership of Wikimedia Chapter is now open.

2011-05-13 Thread Abhilash S Unni
Can a non active member to these mailing lists, but a fencesitter at this
time due to other commitments, however a diehard wikipedia fan having an
account in wikipedia take a membership?

Abhi

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
rsrikant...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Finally. I can now register.
> However, I have a question.
> What are the methods of payment that are available?
> --Regards,
> Srikanth.
>
> On 13 May 2011 21:50, Arjuna Rao Chavala wrote:
>
>> Hi  Wikimedians,
>>
>> On behalf of Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter, I am glad to
>> announce the opening of individual membership for Wikimedia Chapter. The
>> membership form is available at
>> http://wiki.wikimedia.in/wiki/File:WikimediaChapterMembershipFormIndividualV1.pdf
>>
>> Benefits of membership include  the following:
>>
>>- Service to the Society
>>   - Part of the Wikimedia Chapter in India and support its mission.
>>   - Participate in shaping the activities and focus of the chapter.
>>   - Participate in shaping the activities and focus of the chapter
>>   by.
>>   Standing for  open EC positions
>>   Voting for EC positions and resolutions of General body
>>   - Represent Wikimedia Chapter after appropriate authorisations
>>- Other benefits
>>   - Opportunity to network with other Wikimedians which can be
>>   helpful for your career.
>>   - Discounted prices for Chapter events that have an admission fee
>>   and publications that are paid.
>>   - Subscription to members only communication mailing list and
>>   wiki.(to be launched soon)
>>
>> If you have questions, please contact by email to
>> members...@wikimedia.in
>>
>> Looking forward to welcoming you as members of Wikimedia Chapter.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
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>> President, Wikimedia Chapter, India
>>
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