Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-19 Thread ansuman
This percept by Pradeep at proposal talk page sums it up; //I see no point in community engagement with this proposal to improve it without the knowledge of WMF's assessment. Trying to make improvements without any idea of the feedback will just lead to poor quality. Also, I do not see the need fo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-18 Thread Ravishankar
Dhaval, Asaf has been answering questions on these lines and the discussion is continuing at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q3a. Follow the questions Q3b and Q3c too. Let us please participate in the on

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-18 Thread Jayanta Nath
Hi Dhaval, Lets hope ! May be WMF will answer the you questions specific. Regards, Jayanta Nath On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas wrote: > Hi Asaf, > > Let me put everything aside and ask a few simple questions to you, as I > see you as a representative of WMF here. > > 1. Why w

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-18 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Hi Asaf, Let me put everything aside and ask a few simple questions to you, as I see you as a representative of WMF here. 1. Why was WMIN denied the large portion of the grant requested and why do we have separate grant to a private organisation? 2. WMF have seen the results of previous funding

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-17 Thread Ravishankar
Asaf, Please be assured that the community is capable of separating real feedback from criticism with an agenda. We do also always intervene to uphold the diginity of the community when a discussion gets too personal and incivil. However, the recent comments made by Ansuman has brought few impor

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-17 Thread ansuman
Asaf, I covered everything in my previous email. And yes it has been bitter, the whole process..there is no transparency. And it's not my mistake. Nothing personal in there! Please don't change the topic now. I apologized to CISA2K, because i was blaming the team entirely. I realized the issue is

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-17 Thread Asaf Bartov
I will be responding to Ravi's further questions as time permits, probably only tomorrow. In the meantime, I protest against your behavior, Ansuman. It is unacceptable. Despite multiple past recurrences of this pattern as well as past apologies, here we are again -- you lash out with wild and in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-17 Thread Ravishankar
Ansuman, //And about "No Outcome"; I mop at Odia Wikipedia and I regularly visit and keep track of edits there. CISA2K has created a lot of mess which need to be cleaned up. // Thanks for bringing up issues like this to broader community's notice. Folks, Do see the comments made by Prad2609 at

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-17 Thread ansuman
Thanks Asaf. There are some more questionsby Ravi, I'd like to see them answered. Thanks Ravi for the detail analysis and questions. Few questions I've asked before but nobody cared to answer till now, now being answered. :-) Which these paid

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Asaf Bartov
I have responded to the questions on the talk page. Do let us have the discussion there. A. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Jayanta Nath wrote: > + Ravi > > > On Monday, April 14, 2014, Ravishankar wrote: > >> >> (copy of this comment placed at >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ind

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Vishnu
Dear Ansuman, It is not clear what you mean by "No outcome". It would be helpful if you could take up one of the plans, for instance Odia[1] which you are more familiar with, and give some examples. Please feel free to critically assess the plan and point out lacunas and suggest improvements.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread ansuman
Vishnu, glad to see your prompt replies...not good enough..you left some important points!! All i see is plans and reports.. No outcome! Ansuman On 16 April 2014 21:28, Vishnu wrote: > Dear Wikimedians, > > Sharing the below some replies, which were put up on Meta [1], in case you > have mis

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Vishnu
Dear Wikimedians, Sorry for cross-posting this from Meta. On Tuesday 15 April 2014 07:31 PM, Ravishankar wrote: '''Questions for CIS-A2K''' 4. How do you attribute or separate the performance of CIS-A2K from the organic efforts and the growth of the community? 5. What is the (subtle) pressu

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Vishnu
Dear Wikimedians, Sharing the below some replies, which were put up on Meta [1], in case you have missed seeing it. Sorry for cross-posting. It would be good to continue the discussions on Meta. On Monday 14 April 2014 12:24 PM, Ravishankar wrote: (copy of this comment placed at https://me

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Vishnu
Dear Ansuman and Wikimedians, Thanks for engaging with our plans. We have replied to some and in the process of replying to some more of your questions on Meta here [0] and it will be good to continue the discussions there. Some replies to questions not raised on Meta. On Tuesday 15 April 20

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
Does this not seem eerily like those days of The India Programs? No point wasting time or energy on things not in our understanding or control.Warm regards,Pradeep Mohandashttps://overview.mail.yahoo.com?.src=iOS";>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone___ Wi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread Vickram Crishna
Forgive me for interjecting at this point, as I am not actively engaged with any aspect of this process. Wikimedia is a growing phenomenon, absolutely unique in its demonstration that value can be created without what is often assumed to be an equivalent injection of capital. It has happened throu

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-16 Thread sibi kanagaraj
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Ravishankar wrote: > > (copy of this comment placed at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015. > We can continue discussing there) > > Hi, > > Thanks for the elaborate work plan. > > 1. The way the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-15 Thread Ravishankar
Ansuman, Jayanta Thanks for validating my concern. I have posted an updated and expanded comment at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Questions_from_an_Indian_Community_member_to_WMF_and_CIS-A2K == Quest

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-14 Thread ansuman
Agree with Ravi's concerns; i don't think there is any open assessment! i think it'd be better to ask general questions at proposal talk pagebecause users around the world s

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-14 Thread Jayanta Nath
+ Ravi On Monday, April 14, 2014, Ravishankar wrote: > > (copy of this comment placed at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015. > We can continue discussing there) > > Hi, > > Thanks for the elaborate work plan. > > 1. The way the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-04-13 Thread Ravishankar
(copy of this comment placed at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015. We can continue discussing there) Hi, Thanks for the elaborate work plan. 1. The way the budget is presented at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_K

[Wikimediaindia-l] CIS-A2K Work Plan for July 14-June 15

2014-03-31 Thread Vishnu
Dear Wikimedians, I am glad to share with you the detailed work plan of CIS-A2K for the period July 2014-July 2015 [1] . This work plan consists of 21 plans across 6 verticals. These are: * 7 Language Area Plans * 3 Community Strengthening Initiati