Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
Will this be available online anywhere (either as a live stream or archived)? On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:31 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- John Reaves johnjrea...@gmail.com ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 12:31 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) Apparently the image is on the the deluxe boxed set sold everywhere, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trance-Virgin-Killer-Deluxe-Collectors/dp/B000N3AWGQ (It's on the back side, click the second image) It would be super-fantastic if someone could confirm that you can just walk into a record store in the UK and buy it. There are stores here that have it, I'm tempted to go get a picture of myself holding... and start a campaign of other folks doing that. One fact that some of the media is getting wrong is the claim that the cover is banned in 'some' places. I can't find any evidence of this. Record dealers often call any cover which is changed or pulled 'banned', since it makes the records sound more valuable. The cover was most certainly not banned in the US, although the label pulled it amid controversy about the image. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WikiEN-l] UK censorship: I'm on BBC Radio 4 Today show tomorrow 8:20am
Lemme know when its on youtube so I can give it a listen. :-D David Gerard wrote: It's now mainstream. IWF representative to be present. I look forward to dropping in the line Wikipedia smells of hammers. ([[Brass Eye]]) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [ORG-discuss] Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation
It would seem that the IWF has backed down: http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.251.htm And Virgin Media have removed their block, at least. I can now see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer , including the image. -- Owen Blacker, London GB Say no to ID cards: www.no2id.net Get your mits off my bits: www.openrightsgroup.org Help us crowdsourcing video: www.theyworkforyou.com/video -- Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM
2008/12/1 Michael Shilliday mjshilli...@googlemail.com: I have never commented here before, but why the need for a physical AGM? Incorporated companies have been having online AGMs for years now. It may be necessary for a small group of people to be sitting in a room together, but the voting members don't necessarily need to be. There may be a hugely compelling reason why this is necessary, but that's just my thoughts, MJS Online meetings of large groups of people aren't practical. If we wanted members to just vote and that's it, then it would be fine, but we would like to actually get people involved in discussion and debate. It's pretty much impossible to maintain order in an IRC channel with dozens of people talking at once. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM
On Dec 1, 12:37 pm, Michael Shilliday mjshilli...@googlemail.com wrote: I have never commented here before, but why the need for a physical AGM? Incorporated companies have been having online AGMs for years now. It may be necessary for a small group of people to be sitting in a room together, but the voting members don't necessarily need to be. There may be a hugely compelling reason why this is necessary, but that's just my thoughts, MJS First, welcome, and thanks for your contribution! Hope it will be the first of many :) All members will get an opportunity to vote electronically on all the resolutions and voting for the new Board members, even if they can't physically turn up on the day. I hope we can find some way of involving people remotely in the meeting as well - perhaps through a videocam - does anyone know what Wikimania does for this? There are advantages in having in person meetings as well, though - it gives us an opportunity to discuss things more informally and get to know each other more that you can with an online meeting. Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM
2008/12/14 AndrewRT ratur...@yahoo.co.uk: There are advantages in having in person meetings as well, though - it gives us an opportunity to discuss things more informally and get to know each other more that you can with an online meeting. For an AGM, a meeting in person may be appropriate, for all the social reasons you describe. For getting stuff done, IRC meetings are very nicely practical things IME. The chair needs to ride herd on them firmly and everyone needs to keep to the agenda, but they work quite well enough. And of course you have the log to hand. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
[Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd
I just wanted to hear everyone's views about the role Wiki UK Ltd played in responding to the IWF issues. The general consensus among the Board was that we shouldn't really get involved as we didn't yet have chapter status. Individuals were encouraged to do what they could but the Board decided to stay stum itself and leave David and others to take the lead. Is everyone comfortable that that was the right decision? Presumably once Wiki UK is recognised as the chapter you would expect it to take more of a lead? Thanks ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd
2008/12/14 AndrewRT ratur...@yahoo.co.uk: The general consensus among the Board was that we shouldn't really get involved as we didn't yet have chapter status. Individuals were encouraged to do what they could but the Board decided to stay stum itself and leave David and others to take the lead. Is everyone comfortable that that was the right decision? FWIW, I emphasised to everyone I spoke to (and it mostly was clear in press articles and Today show - not C4) that I was speaking as a volunteer and not officially. In cases like this that can be very important ... Presumably once Wiki UK is recognised as the chapter you would expect it to take more of a lead? It would be the organisation to speak to. e.g. While WMUK quite definitely does not control or publish the content on Wikipedia, we nevertheless find the censorship of encyclopedia text a worrying development for education and informing people in the UK would be a perfect hypothetical comment, for example. You *can* comment on freedom to educate and inform in the UK without crossing any streams, I should think. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd
2008/12/14 AndrewRT ratur...@yahoo.co.uk: I just wanted to hear everyone's views about the role Wiki UK Ltd played in responding to the IWF issues. The general consensus among the Board was that we shouldn't really get involved as we didn't yet have chapter status. Individuals were encouraged to do what they could but the Board decided to stay stum itself and leave David and others to take the lead. Is everyone comfortable that that was the right decision? Yes, no doubt about it. Presumably once Wiki UK is recognised as the chapter you would expect it to take more of a lead? Probably. Details need to be decided on a case by case basis, but I think part of WMUK's role is to represent the UK community. That includes speaking for the community (although not the WMF, of course) in these kind of matters. I think WMUK would say the same kind of things as David did, just with a more official looking caption on the screen. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd
I would not have bothered to vote if I did not feel the board in some way represented the community of which I am part. There is an organization where I am a member for pragmatic reasons but hate every proclamation they make (the AA: I want breakdown cover, not rabid pro-polluting lobbying), but for this kind of thing I think you should feel we want you to speak and we'll let you know if we disagree. BozMo On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/14 AndrewRT ratur...@yahoo.co.uk: I just wanted to hear everyone's views about the role Wiki UK Ltd played in responding to the IWF issues. The general consensus among the Board was that we shouldn't really get involved as we didn't yet have chapter status. Individuals were encouraged to do what they could but the Board decided to stay stum itself and leave David and others to take the lead. Is everyone comfortable that that was the right decision? Yes, no doubt about it. Presumably once Wiki UK is recognised as the chapter you would expect it to take more of a lead? Probably. Details need to be decided on a case by case basis, but I think part of WMUK's role is to represent the UK community. That includes speaking for the community (although not the WMF, of course) in these kind of matters. I think WMUK would say the same kind of things as David did, just with a more official looking caption on the screen. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM - large number of online participants
Meetings with a large number of online or teleconferencing participants are practical, provided those in the aether are receiving but not sending (except maybe one at a time - for example Email the chair in advance if you want to pose a question and have the chair dial you in when your slot comes up). Regards Jonathan Cardy (WereSpielChequers) dah...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Location of AGM To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 2:10 PM 2008/12/1 Michael Shilliday mjshilli...@googlemail.com: I have never commented here before, but why the need for a physical AGM? Incorporated companies have been having online AGMs for years now. It may be necessary for a small group of people to be sitting in a room together, but the voting members don't necessarily need to be. There may be a hugely compelling reason why this is necessary, but that's just my thoughts, MJS Online meetings of large groups of people aren't practical. If we wanted members to just vote and that's it, then it would be fine, but we would like to actually get people involved in discussion and debate. It's pretty much impossible to maintain order in an IRC channel with dozens of people talking at once. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM - large number of online participants
2008/12/14 jonathan cardy dah...@yahoo.com: Meetings with a large number of online or teleconferencing participants are practical, provided those in the aether are receiving but not sending (except maybe one at a time - for example Email the chair in advance if you want to pose a question and have the chair dial you in when your slot comes up). Indeed. As I said in another thread, you can do a QA session that way, but not a discussion. I would hope WMUK AGMs will be more than just the membership quizing the board and will actually involve the membership having a say in how the charity is run (and not just by getting to vote for the board). ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] IWF issues and Wiki UK Ltd
On Dec 14, 9:32 pm, Andrew Cates and...@soschildren.org wrote: ... for this kind of thing I think you should feel we want you to speak and we'll let you know if we disagree. Even before we're officially a WMF chapter? Andrew ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l
