[Wikimediauk-l] Re: "Court of Appeal ruling will prevent UK museums from charging reproduction fees—at last"

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Re: "It is certainly strange to me that some cultural organisations pursue
image licensing as a loss making venture that also borders on copyfraud..."

I'm hoping that museums will still want to spend money on digitising their
content. But we need to be realistic, if they can't subsidise that by
getting at least some of the money back from image licensing, they may do
less of it.

Of course rumour has it that some institutions weren't even getting as much
from image licencing as it cost them to market and sell those images. My
hope is that fewer institutions will think of digitisation in terms of
fundraising and more in terms of fulfilling their mission of preserving and
recording their collection and making their collections available to all.

But my fear is that there will be more items that can only be seen if
visited and the only available images are photos of the painting on mugs
and jigsaws from the museum shop.

Jonathan



On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 at 14:39, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 at 09:39, Deryck Chan  wrote:
> >
> > I'm slightly confused by the article. It refers to THJ vs Sheridan (2023)
> > but that ruling was about software-generated graphs and said nothing
> > about reproducing out-of-copyright content?
>
> It doesn't need to. It clarifies the conditions under which a
> copyright is created; the subject matter is immaterial.
>
> See paragraphs 14-16 ("The Law"), in particular:
>
> "What is required [for copyright to exist] is that the author was able
> to express their creative abilities in the production of the work by
> making free and creative choices so as to stamp the work created with
> their
> personal touch [...] This criterion is not satisfied where the content
> of the work is dictated by technical considerations, rules or other
> constraints which leave no room for creative freedom"
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[Wikimediauk-l] Re: Stained glass window image sought

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Hi Charrles, I've had a look at the Geograph site
https://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=181239399 and we don't seem to
have anything more there. But always worth checking when you are looking
for UK photos  as we have a lot of images there that have not yet been
uploaded onto Commons.

Jonathan

On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 09:52, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Thanks! That's certainly an interesting kind of query to have around.
>
> For the many people it turns up on the Geograph site, it would be
> relatively easy to look at nearby squares on the site.
>
> Charles
>
> On 11/05/2023 13:57 Magnus Manske  wrote:
>
>
> This might help to find specific people to ask (who took the most pictures
> on Commons within 5km around Newcastle-under-Lyme):
>
> https://w.wiki/6gzB
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 11:28 AM Charles Matthews <
> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> I'm currently drafting an article on William Francis Gordon of Lichfield.
> He gave the east window to Porthill church, and an interior view would be
> good.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:St_Andrew%27s_Church,_Porthill
>
> is as much as Commons has about the church, near Newcastle-under-Lyme.
>
> Can anyone help out?
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[Wikimediauk-l] Meetups are back in real life, but the online option continues.

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HI, last Sunday was my first London meetup for a while, and it was good to
see so many people, including several I'd not had a chance to speak to
since before lockdown. Next month the second Sunday is on the 14th, and
unless there is a dramatic resurgence of COVID, we'll be at the Oak again.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/183

There's also a virtual UK meetup on the 28th July, and as this format works
for people who can't get to London or other meetups I suspect these monthly
meetings will continue post Covid.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/UK_virtual/14

Regards

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Picture request: Urbanora House, Wardour Street, London

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Hi Andy,

I have searched the geograph and uploaded some "recent" ones of Wardour
street from there that weren't migrated from commons a decade ago.

The best I can do for you is
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Las_Vegas_American_Pool,_Wardour_Street_(geograph_2094904).jpg
but for someone looking up and with a Zoom you need someone who is able to
go into London. That won't be me for a while I'm afraid.

Jonathan

On Thu, 4 Mar 2021 at 16:06, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> I hope you are all keeping well.
>
> Urbanora House, at 89-91 Wardour StreetUK , London, is significant in
> the story of UK the movie industry, but we have, apparently, no
> picture of it on Commons.
>
> We also need a close-up of the "Urbanora " branding at the top of the
> building, which may need a long lens.
>
> Does anyone have such images, or can someone take them, once lockdown
> is over, please?
>
> The non-free images on these pages give an idea of what I mean:
>
>
> https://www.buildington.co.uk/london-w1/89-91-wardour-street/89-91-wardour-street/id/7281
>
>https://leftoverlondon.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/who-was-urban-nora/
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Change in licence requirement for National Lottery Heritage Fund projects

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Wow, that's a real game changer. Well done to all concerned.

Jonathan

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 20:37, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 13:40, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
>
> > The National Lottery Heritage Fund has today announced a significant
> policy change,
> > with a new requirement for grant recipients to release the digital
> outputs of funded
> > projects under a CC-BY 4.0 licence.
>
> This is marvelous news - thank you for the update.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] British Museum makes 1.9m images available under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

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Andy makes some important points.

We know that even if editors in the UK respect what the British Museum is
doing and don't upload those images to Commons or Wikipedia; where they are
public domain images under US law, it is just a matter of time before
someone in the movement, anywhere in the world, uploads any of those
British Museum images that are of old two D objects to Commons as Public
Domain images that can be used without attribution to the photographer or
the institution.

Of course large parts of the British Museum collection would involve images
of three d objects. In those case we can't use the BM images, but outside
of lockdown people can either go there and take photos, or if  you can't
get yourself to the British Museum with a camera,  make a request via the
London Meetup, and if the object is on display we can get results such as
at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_altarpiece_(WB.232)


The chapter remains in the awkward position of liaising with institutions
that regard it as acceptable to claim  a non commercial copyright on out of
copyright material, and of in effect advocating for a position at variance
with that of the wider movement.

One option that the chapter could consider would be to shift policy and
instead start to diplomatically lobby UK Museum's to, as Andy put it, stop
" trying to appropriate rights that belong to us all." Perhaps those on
this list who are still members of the chapter might consider raising this
for a debate at the next AGM?

Regards

Jonathan



On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 21:06, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 11:43, Owen Blacker  wrote:
> >
> > That it's a non-commercial licence is really disappointing, but that's
> still a little better than nothing…
>
> With the emphasis on the "little". There are two things wrong with
> this, which we as a movement (and individually) need to challenge; at
> very reasonable opportunity.
>
> Firstly, there's the way they're spending public money making non-free
> original content. we need to persuade GLAMs - and lobby funders - that
> such material should be freely reusable.
>
> But far more troubling is the attempt to claim copyright in works
> whose copyright - if the work didn't pre-date copyright completely -
> expired decades or centuries ago. The latter means, in effect that
> they are trying to appropriate rights that belong to us all.
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Recent changes and watchlists broken on the WMUK Wiki

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Dear John,

If WMUK no longer has a technology budget you might want to consider asking
if another chapter would be willing to support QRpedia. It is only because
it started in the UK that it was hosted by the UK chapter, it is actually a
global resource.

Jonathan

On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 13:04, John Lubbock 
wrote:

> Hi Chris, I know, I know, it's a huge problem we've been having. All the
> extensions are also down, and some domains like the QRPedia one and the
> stats.wikimedia.org.uk one are also not working, and have not been doing
> so for a while. I'm told that Tom Morton is trying to fix things but I
> think he's part time, and I keep on asking for updates about when things
> might be fixed, but I've not heard anyhting about when they might be fixed.
> Things are going as fast as he can manage, I suppose, but without a full
> time person to do this on staff, and with Tom the only person who has
> access to the server files, it's all going very slowly. Trust me nobody is
> more frustrated about it all than me.
>
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>
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 12:54, Chris McKenna  wrote:
>
>> Currently, both recent changes and watchlists on the WMUK Wiki are
>> showing
>> 0 changes, despite there being changes that should be shown - there have
>> been four posts to the Engine Room (where this problem was flagged up) in
>> the past 2 days for example.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Monthly skill share in London

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Dear John,

I'd be happy to see the chapter bring back these sort of events. Thinking
of a few lessons from when we last did them, coffee, soft drinks and some
sort of snacks are important - remember that many attendees will be coming
straight from work. We also used to designate a pub for the end of the
evening.

You need to allow for a variable start time, some people will be working
nearby, others may finish later and be an hour away - starting off with
something informal such as a wiki surgery would give time for more people
to get there. You don't want to give some people an hour to kill after work
or exclude others because they can't slope off work early.

Don't try to get 12 topics fixed before you start, topics will emerge as
you talk to the attendees and potential attendees. But the ones we
discussed at the London Meetup, FA writing, AWB workshop etc would give a
good diverse start. Geni's talk on "photography in museums" is one I would
happily hear again.

Last Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday would give some distance from the
existing London meetup on the second Sunday, and in the months with 5 weeks
give you an advantage when you are competing against events that use the
1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th week of the month.


Jonathan






Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 12:14:25 +0100
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> Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
> I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
> the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
> with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> perhaps.
>
> Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
> a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> the community and chapter members.
>
> I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> month. How does that sound to everyone?
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> Excellent idea. There was an idea to start something similar "what have you
> learnt recently/Share your exciting new learning (of course Wiki-related)".
>
> Thanks
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> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 16:45, John Lubbock 
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> > Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup
> yesterday,
> > I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work
> at
> > the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month
> programme
> > with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> > status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> > perhaps.
> >
> > Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to
> have
> > a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> > the community and chapter members.
> >
> > I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
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> the WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Womanthology would like to run something on Wikipedia's efforts to fix the gender gap in our editing and coverage

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I was one of the helpers at Alice's women in red event at Imperial last
week. I'll drop her a note. I'm sure she and I suspect the lady from
Imperial would be happy to talk to Womanthology.

Regards

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On 11 Mar 2018, at 14:49, Richard Nevell <richard.a.j.nev...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I think this would be a good opportunity for one of Wikimedia UK's female
volunteers to talk about their work.

On 11 Mar 2018 13:00, "Roger Bamkin" <victuall...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi David,

I started Women in Red which moved the needle from 14% to 17.49%. She can
see the twitter page at #wikiwomeninred and there is a women in red
Wikipedia page. We can also talk about the work we hsave done with United
Nations, Unesco, cambridge uni, wikimedia uk, ng, fr, ca, etc and the BBC.

Happy for you to give her my details.

regards

Roger

On 11 March 2018 at 12:40, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Got a call on Friday from Fiona Tatton from Womanthology. She was
> interested in talking to someone who's worked on improving
> representation of women in Wikipedia, and editing Wikipedia.
>
> Coverage is basically talking to individuals about what they do.
>
> I'm pretty sure this'll be a positive for our work ...
>
> Best method: look at the site, if you'd like to be there then go to
> the contact form.
>
> (She left a phone message with Lucy, but I said I'd forward something here
> too.)
>
>
> - d.
>
>
> 
> Great speaking to you just now. Thank you for your time.  As
> discussed, I work on Womanthology, a digital magazine that champions
> positive female role models and challenges the stereotypes of what it
> means to be a ‘successful’ woman today. Please have a look:
>
> www.womanthology.co.uk
>
> I’m working on a Women of History issue - I’m interested in
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> being used to highlight the achievements of women who have been
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Give a lightning talk at this Saturday's AGM and meet up!

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OK sold. I've just booked and will be there at least for Harry's talk.

On 13 July 2017 at 09:31, Harry Mitchell  wrote:

> There isn't even an *un*written version yet. It's been a long time since I
> stood up and spoke to a room full of Wikimedians. Also, I didn't think
> anyone else would be interested! Something to occupy me on the journey
> tomorrow! ;)
>
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>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Katherine Bavage <
> katherine.bav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Harry - that sounds really good! If you've got a written version anywhere
>> and it isn't on the WMUK blog can you make that a thing for those of us
>> (like me) who sadly won't make it.
>>
>> I have voted by proxy though :)
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 at 09:23 Harry Mitchell  wrote:
>>
>>> I assumed all the slots would be taken, but I'd be happy to give a talk
>>> if there's space. Let's go with "War Memorials, Wikipedia, and Why You
>>> Should Care", just because I appreciate alliteration. (Hi Nicola! If you
>>> need more detail, please do email me offlist.)
>>>
>>> Is there somewhere public we can put these things and/or sign up for the
>>> event in general? I know it's a crazy Wikipedian thing, but it might
>>> inspire someone else.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Harry Mitchell
>>> http://enwp.org/User:HJ
>>> +44 (0) 7507 536 971 <+44%207507%20536971>
>>> Skype: harry_j_mitchell
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
>>> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
 Dear all

 There are quite a few places left at Saturday's AGM so please sign up *here
 *
 if you'd like to come. As well as the AGM, this is a key opportunity to
 feed into the final cycle of the global Wikimedia movement strategy
 process, as there will be a workshop/facilitated discussion on the emerging
 strategy in the morning. We will be joined, virtually, at this session by 
 Ravishankar
 Ayyakkannu from the Wikimedia Foundation's Global Reach and
 Partnerships team, who will give a short summary of the New Voices strategy
 track and will be available to answer questions during the discussions.

 One of the highlights of last year's event for me was the 'lightning
 talks' session, but so far this year we only have one person signed up.
 Please consider giving a lightning talk and sharing some of your wiki
 wisdom! Talks should generally be about five minutes long, although of
 course if we don't have many people signed up the timings will be a bit
 more relaxed. You can sign up by emailing
 nicola.furn...@wikimedia.org.uk with your name and a title for your
 talk.

 I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at Senate House Library on
 Saturday.

 Best wishes
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Election Edit-a-thon

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Much is down to the operator, but better cameras can take better pictures,
especially in Low light conditions.

If you take David Gerard's advice and introduce yourself as from Wikipedia
, any political party with an ounce of commonsense will usher you to the
front and give you a position where you can take a good photo.

On 24 April 2017 at 08:35, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 23/04/17 04:41, geni wrote:
> > Poorly. MPs should be out and about a bit more in the next few weeks
> > but I always feel a but iffy bringing serious camera gear to Q
> > sessions and the like.
>
>
> Why? Surely they are all open to being photographed? And why "serious
> gear"? Just an iPhone would do?
>
> I rarely take any sort of portrait photograph but the candidate are out
> there so be seen (and heard).
>
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[Wikimediauk-l] Cinema Museum event on the 18th June

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Dear All,

I'm delighted to be able to announce that we are back at the Cinema Museum
in Lambeth, London for an editathon on the 18th June.

For the moment this is just a holding notice, we are first going to promote
this to their mailing list, but trainers and film buffs will definitely be
welcome.

More details will be posted at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Film/June_2017_event

Regards

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Mail again

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Re "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse
sources?

The Daily Mail is a very long way from being the first source deprecated by
the Wikipedia community, it isn't even in the most deprecated category of
sources, that would be ones that go into the spamfilter and are
automatically rejected.

If someone can point to a worse site currently in use as a source on
Wikipedia we can comment on that and even start a discussion on them at the
reliable sources noticeboard. But if someone comes to the discussion in the
misconception that the Daily Mail is the first source we have deprecated,
the best response is to explain that Wikipedians have been discussing the
reliability of sources for many years. This may be the first such decision
to get public interest, it is a very long way from being the first such
decision. So to answer a question with a question, can you name a source
which is less reliable than the Daily Mail but isn't deprecated on
Wikipedia?


For the record I wish we could go into a little more nuance re the Daily
Mail, such as at what points in history could they be treated as reliable.
I've heard that their sports coverage is reliable, except perhaps where it
blurs into coverage of sports personalities.




On 15 February 2017 at 03:28, - -  wrote:

> On 09 February 2017 at 15:57 Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> Which leaves the question of "why blacklist the Daily Mail not even worse
> sources?" If anyone can suggest an answer to that which would keep a journo
> happy I'd be interested to hear it  ;)
>
> One reason that I didn't see mentioned in the rfc is that, unlike say the
> Guardian, the Mail seems to reuse its story urls after only 2 years or so.
> Eg: I followed a ref link for a story on a record auction price for a
> painting to find a recent story about a footie transfer.   That may be good
> enough for many linking websites but doesn't work for us.
>
> Btw i did the WMUK media training & am used to speaking to the press on
> Wiki-in-residence matters, & would be happy to be on a panel or whatever,
>
> John
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London meetup.

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After consulting most of the attendees last Sunday, or at least a dozen of
them, I can confirm that the next two London meetups will be even closer to
Holborn station, at the Shakespeare's Head on Kingsway. In May we will
probably be reverting to the Penderel's Oak when it reopens.

That means a different location for both:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/116 March the 12th

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/117 and April 9th

As usual all wikimedians welcome, new, ancient or resurfacing.


Regards

Jonathan/WereSpielChequers

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> On 13 February 2017 at 17:29, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > A new venue for March (and April).
>
> Ooh, go on, give us a clue...
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight want to do Daily Mail vs WP:RS tonight - editor on hand?

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For those who want some background, this is the RFC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Daily_Mail_RfC

and this is also relevant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Daily_Mail_RfC

bccing someone who might not be on this list and might be willing to speak
publicly on this matter.

In any event I'm sure it will be discussed on Sunday at the London Meetup
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/115 - I spotted at least
three of our regulars and irregulars in the RFC discussion.

Jonathan

On 9 February 2017 at 16:07, rodward  wrote:

> Presumably they want someone who can be in London? or could this be done
> remotely?
>
>
>
> rod
>
>
>
> On 09.02.2017 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:
>
> Hi all
> Just to say that I've just had a chat with the nice man from Newsnight and
> he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis
> and an editor, who can talk about the way in which these decisions are
> made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if this is something you
> think you could do, please get in touch! I'm on 07803 505 169 or just drop
> me an email.
> Cheers
> Lucy
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 15:47, David Gerard  wrote:
>
>> compare -
>> * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious
>> papers that lean right
>> * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics
>> and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper
>> * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC,
>> recite in a calm voice while smiling
>>
>> On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard  wrote:
>>
>>> That is literally what the task is, yes :-)
>>>
>>> On 9 February 2017 at 15:41, Chris Keating 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!"
 round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting
 community preferences" sounds tricky. ;)

 On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard  wrote:

> Usual line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some
> editors" then email here ;-D
>
> so er, editors?
>
> On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid
>  wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great
> if
> > someone could talk about this from an editor's perspective - in
> particular
> > the process of consensus building within the Wikipedia community, as
> it's
> > clear many people working in the media don't understand this. If
> someone
> > does respond to you directly, please could you let me know?
> >
> > The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been
> > fielding as best as we can. I'm hoping that when San Francisco wakes
> up and
> > comes online they will send me their statement on the issue, which
> would
> > help to deal with enquiries.
> >
> > All best
> > Lucy
> >
> >
> > On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard  wrote:
> >>
> >> BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for
> >> tonight. I can't, can anyone else? Email me and I'll forward you the
> >> email.
> >>
> >>
> >> - d.
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[Wikimediauk-l] London 115 - 12th Feb

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Dear All,

Our 115th meetup in London is coming up on the 12th Feb. More details at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/115

As usual we will try to be opposite the main doors with at least one laptop
with a Wiki logo.

I'm guessing the conversation will range from the recent run of  RFAs on EN
wiki to the trending topics on Wikipedia and the submissions for this years
Wikimania.

Hope to see you there

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wiki Commons walking tour

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Hi John,

It has been a while since we did a WikiTakes event in the UK, Wiki takes
Chester may be the most recent, be good to have another one

Magnus has now produced a nifty tool that shows heat maps of articles
without images, so the chapter could do a Wiki takes event targeted at a a
place where we have lots of unillustrated articles. London might be such a
place, but last years Wiki Loves Monuments had such a London skew that I'd
be surprised if we had many gaps in our coverage of grade I or Grade II*
listed buildings in London.

Jonathan

On 9 January 2017 at 12:23, John Lubbock 
wrote:

> Hello all, I wanted to gauge if there was interest in the idea of doing a
> Commons uploading walking tour in London at some point. I've started to go
> on my lunch break to places near the Wikimedia UK offices to take photos to
> illustrate Wikidata items and WP articles which don't have photos. You can
> see here
> 
>  on
> WikiShootMe that there are more green items (with photos) near the office
> on Leonard Street, but that there are still some areas (Bunhill cemetery to
> the West, Arnold Circus to the East) which have a lot of places without
> photos (in red).
>
> So I wonder if any Wikimedians would be interested in doing a walking tour
> of either of these places with me to add photos to Commons. It doesn't have
> to be these locations, and you're welcome to suggest other places with lots
> of red items that need photos. I will be taking some photos most lunchtimes
> during work days, so if anyone is free then, let me know. Alternatively we
> could arrange a specific outing on a weekend or in the evening to take
> photos in a specific place. We can use WMUK camera equipment if anyone
> needs to borrow a camera.
>
> Please let me know here or by email (john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk) if
> you'd be interested in doing something like this.
>
> All the best,
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC 100 Women and Wikimedia

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Since the BBC is encouraging people to create unsourced articles on living
people there is a high possibility they will turn up at either
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion
or even
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Candidates_for_speedy_deletion

I've rescued at least one from each so far today, including one that was
definitely part of the BBC project.

I'm wondering whether it might be worth doing an article rescue editathon
as part of the next feminism event - there are always articles on women at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:BLP_articles_proposed_for_deletion

Jonathan

On 8 December 2016 at 12:18, Gordon Joly  wrote:

> On 08/12/16 12:01, Sara Thomas wrote:
> >
> > As is my custom, I'll be placing the {{new user article}} template on
> > the talk pages of any articles created by new users today.
>
> Which then expands to
>
> **
> This is an article recently created by a new user. More editing may be
> needed to meet standards, but please be courteous and assume good faith,
> and consider leaving a constructive message on the creator's talk page
> if large changes need to be made.
> This template should be removed once the page has been reviewed by
> someone other than its creator. If you are the article's creator, you
> can seek feedback on your new article.
> **
>
> :-)
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] East London Meetup?

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6 people attended and we had an interesting couple of hours. But we only
got one person actually signing up on meta.

We normally get between a dozen and a score of us at the second Sunday
meeting in London, and we already have 6 signed up for the next one.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/112 as usual all are welcome.

Jonathan


On 25 October 2016 at 13:50, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I wasn't expecting to be available, but have now signed up. If it is
> anything like the normal London meetups there will be more attendees than
> signed up.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 25 October 2016 at 12:24, Dhaval S. Vyas <dsv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will be trying to pop in as well, its only a matter of hanging around
>> for couple of hours after work as i m just next doors.
>>
>> Dhaval
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2016 11:47, "Stevie Benton" <stevie.d.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Me too.  It's also listed on the Mozfest website as a  fringe event of
>>> the festival.
>>>
>>> Stevie
>>>
>>> On 25 Oct 2016 11:32, "John Lubbock" <john.lubb...@wikimedia.org.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was going to try to make it. Anybody else?
>>>>
>>>> On 24 October 2016 at 21:07, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like this will be a null event?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/East_London/8
>>>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] East London Meetup?

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I wasn't expecting to be available, but have now signed up. If it is
anything like the normal London meetups there will be more attendees than
signed up.

Jonathan

On 25 October 2016 at 12:24, Dhaval S. Vyas  wrote:

> I will be trying to pop in as well, its only a matter of hanging around
> for couple of hours after work as i m just next doors.
>
> Dhaval
>
> On 25 Oct 2016 11:47, "Stevie Benton"  wrote:
>
>> Me too.  It's also listed on the Mozfest website as a  fringe event of
>> the festival.
>>
>> Stevie
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2016 11:32, "John Lubbock" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was going to try to make it. Anybody else?
>>>
>>> On 24 October 2016 at 21:07, Gordon Joly  wrote:
>>>


 Seems like this will be a null event?

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/East_London/8

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Mass image uploads expert

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Thanks Fae,

If this does come off and you have a residue of awkward to categorise ones
I might be available to sort them out if you can get them in a separate
temporary category. I helped WMIE with Wiki Loves monuments last year and
have nearly finshed the English residue of this years Wiki Loves Monuments.

On 14 October 2016 at 12:29, Fæ  wrote:

> Rod, I'd be happy to help with a call/video meeting, or to run the
> modest-sized batch upload when they are ready. The numbers mentioned
> may take just a day or two to upload. At this moment I'm the most
> active Commons uploader of GLAM media, the can see examples at
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Project_list
>
> As Jonathan implies, the upload itself may be a bit technically
> challenging, but is not especially intellectually challenging for the
> institution. The hard part is the early spadework; examining the
> collection and ensuring that the metadata is reliably consistent,
> working out how to do some auto-categorization without potentially
> 'spamming' Commons categories, that the best use is made of Commons
> templates by intelligently mapping metadata to fields, and that the
> various copyright scenarios are hammered out in advance.
>
> The last issue of copyright may be as simple as applying the
> no-copyright-known template, or it may need a bit of programmer magic
> to automatically map copyright licenses based on metadata, and weed
> out images that may be challenged under our strict Commons policies of
> there being "no significant doubt". It's better to have those
> discussions early, rather than have multiple deletion requests to
> manage downstream.
>
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>
> On 14 October 2016 at 09:15, Jonathan Cardy 
> wrote:
> > Fæ would be my first suggestion for a mass upload if he is available and
> the
> > collection is suitable. But reading through that link I'm not sure we can
> > use that collection. Apparently it was started forty years ago by a
> curator
> > who invited people to bring in historic photos and lend them to the
> museum
> > to make a copy.
> >
> > I'm sure that's fine for the Museum to use. But I wouldn't care to argue
> on
> > Commons that this constitutes a CC-BY-SA 3 licence for all those images.
> > Hopefully there will be a subset which can be dated early enough to argue
> > PD. Maybe there are some where the rights owner can be traced, but I'd
> > suspect there will be a lot of photographers from an era where some will
> > have died long enough ago to make it difficult to trace the heirs, and
> > others may even still be with us. At some point in the future no doubt we
> > can import the lot, provided a digital copy is still extant.
> >
> > Another reason why the movement needs a sealed repository from which
> stuff
> > can be migrated when it is out of copyright.
> >
> > Depending on the age range of the images and the quality of the metadata
> > there could be a useful proportion that would be safe to upload. It all
> > depends on the ratio of "my grandfather died in 1880 and left us this
> > collection" to "my grandfather died in 1980 and left us this collection".
> >
> >
> > WSC
> >
> >
> > On 14 Oct 2016, at 08:18,  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have just spotted an announcement of a historic photograph digitisation
> > project by the friends of the Somerset Life Museum Research Group (see
> > https://somersetrurallifemuseum.org.uk/2016/10/13/digitisation-project/
> )
> > aiming to digitise 15,000 images.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have made an initial contact asking about licencing and sharing and
> > mentioned “mass uploads” but I know very little about this. I believe
> there
> > have been some people who have done this for/with other GLAMS and/or
> > developed tools to handle this. Who would be the best person to put them
> in
> > touch with if they come back to me and they are willing to release under
> a
> > suitable licence?
> >
> >
> >
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[Wikimediauk-l] UK photography contest

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Dear all,

As a result of discussions at last Sunday's London meetup, and to take
advantage of a list created by Rich Farmbrough, I have started drafting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_Kingdom/photography_contest_2016

It hath a talkpage.

Hopefully we can finalise in the next three weeks and launch at the next
London Meetup https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/110

Apologies to any non Londoners who object to a London event planning
anything for the whole of the UK, but only the first draft emerged from the
meetup and things are yet changeable.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] I'm moving on!

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And its welcome back to volunteerdom from me too.

I was a pleasure to work with you, your new employers have gained more than
they might realise.

Jonathan

On 3 August 2016 at 15:57, Katie Chan  wrote:

> It was a pleasure working with you Richard. Thank you for all your hard
> work with Wikimedia UK over the years. Best wishes in your new job, and
> looking forward to seeing you around as a volunteer in future Wikimedia
> events.
>
> Katie
>
> On 03/08/2016 15:32, Richard Symonds wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> I've worked for Wikimedia UK since just before we hired our first Chief
>> Executive, but it's time for me to hang up my "staff" hat. At the end of
>> August, I'll be leaving Wikimedia UK for a new role - still in London,
>> but doing something rather different, and with a fair bit more
>> responsibility. Those of you who are my friends will know what this new
>> job entails - I'd ask you to keep it to yourselves. To those of you who
>> don't, you're free to ask me on Facebook!
>>
>> I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at Wikimedia UK under both Jon and
>> Lucy. It's really something to see how the charity has changed over the
>> years - from a small, absurdly hopeful organisation with limitless
>> opportunities, to a larger, but more stable and more focused charity
>> with a solid track record of events and partnerships, and with what I
>> firmly believe to now be (post-governance-review) the best governance in
>> the movement.
>>
>> I have full confidence in the team of staff and volunteers here to keep
>> things moving forward, even if Richard Nevell does get overly focused on
>> castles from time to time. I'll be staying on as a volunteer, of course,
>> and I will probably focus my initial efforts on sending Richard Nevell
>> pictures of castles while he's working, which I'm pretty sure counts
>> towards our metrics.
>>
>> On a more productive note, highlights of my time here include:
>>
>>   * Learning to cycle in London (pictures not on Commons, although there
>> might be a video)
>>   * Our "Finance and Fundraising communal pickled onion jar", relabelled
>> "pickled fox" after went on the NHM Spirits Tour (pictures not on
>> Commons, except perhaps in the background)
>>   * The "Wikimedia UK does WLM" tour of an unlit Grade II listed
>> Victorian Public Convenience (pictures on Commons)
>>   * Driving Katherine Bavage to despair by uploading pictures of her to
>> Commons, and only then explaining what Commons is (I await the
>> inevitable deletion request from someone who takes this too seriously)
>>   * Participating in the Chutney Making from Waste Fruit and Vegetables
>> World Record Attempt, a World record attempt for amount of people
>> making chutney simultaneously (pictures not taken, too busy eating
>> chutney)
>>   * Wikimania 2014, which only those who served can
>> /truly/ understand (pictures on Commons, I imagine, although I tried
>> to avoid them)
>>
>> I wish everyone at Wikimedia UK - volunteers and staff - all the best,
>> especially Daria, who now holds the crown for "longest serving staff
>> member". Working at Wikimedia UK has been an enlightening experience,
>> but also a privilege, and something which I will never forget.
>>
>> {{Template:Witty sign-off}},
>>
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[Wikimediauk-l] An invitation to the Oak

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Dear all,

Yesterday's London meetup had at least fourteen people with three or four
new or newish faces.

We had four people who'd recently returned from Wikimania at Esino Lario in
Italy and they all gave some very positive feedback about the venue, the
event and much that happened there. For once the WMF related discussion was
all very positive with some hope for the new CEO and Chair.

Other discussion ranged from some possible events, and an update on what's
happened on wiki recently for a returnee who'd last been active in 2012,

Unusually for a London meetup, politics was also a significant topic at
least at one end of the table. As you'd expect of Londoners there were far
more Remainers than Brexiters, but for a post referendum discussion it was
quite nuanced with some people for whom it had been a complex decision, and
of course there was discussion about the On wiki impact unusually we
had British
stories in the traffic report!.


Our next London meetup is on Sunday the 14th of Augus
t. You would all be very
welcome

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[Wikimediauk-l] An invitation to London

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Hello everyone,

Last Sunday we had the 107th London meetup with about twenty people
including Alice, our new Wikimedian in Residence at the Wellcome Trust
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zeromonk>.

As well as the English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons we had editors
active in Wikisource, Wikidata and the French Wikipedia.

Conversation ranged from meta matters like inclusionism and Wikimania to
how we can make better use of the 100,000 Wellcome images that Fae uploaded
to Commons. We also discussed beer, a photography contest and the reasons
why certain articles made the list of most read Wikipedia articles. Oh and
Rich gave me an impromptu lesson on AWB.

Next month's meeting is, as always, on the second Sunday of the month - Sunday
July the tenth <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/108>.

Hope to see some of you there.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] en.Wikipedia infobox : your help needed

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Hi Andy,

Are the other parameters the same?

Regards

Jonathan 


> On 16 Mar 2016, at 14:50, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> 
> If anyone fancies a job, there are 513 transclusions of:
> 
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_UK_feature
> 
> listed at:
> 
>   
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere=999=Template%3AInfobox+UK+feature=0
> 
> which should (almost if not) all be replaced with one of:
> 
> * {{Infobox body of water}}
> * {{Infobox river}}
> * {{Infobox rail line}}
> * {{Infobox park}}
> * {{Infobox building}}
> * {{Infobox museum}}
> * {{Infobox bridge}}
> * {{Infobox mountain}}
> * {{Infobox UK place}}
> * {{Infobox artwork}}
> * {{Infobox religious building}}
> * {{Infobox church}}.
> 
> or some other subject-specific template.
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] AGM location - please vote!

[WereSpielChequers]

I agree with the logic of rotating between London and elsewhere. However,
if you hold the AGM on the same weekend as the London meetup it would be
sensible to hold it in the same city.

On 18 March 2016 at 16:28, James Farrar  wrote:

> Until last year the venue had always alternated between London and
> not-London. It seems to me, therefore, that not-London is a priority for
> this year.
>
> On 18 March 2016 at 11:53, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
> lucy.crompton-r...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> I have previously emailed regarding this year's AGM for Wikimedia UK,
>> which will be taking place on Saturday 9th July. This is the point where
>> new board members can stand for election and where members of the charity
>> have the opportunity to express their views, raise ideas or discuss issues,
>> either in the formal context of the AGM itself or informally throughout the
>> day. We would also like to maximise the opportunity of having a
>> (hopefully!) large group of Wikimedians together, to deliver training
>> and/or facilitate discussion and workshops. The day is for volunteers,
>> editors and members and so it will be essential to involve volunteers in
>> thinking about and planning these activities.
>>
>> Several volunteers and members have suggested that it would be good to
>> hold the meeting outside of London. Without having a real sense of the
>> extent to which location will impact on people's decision to attend, and
>> what people's preferences are, it's difficult to fix on a specific
>> location; but we do need to confirm the venue asap. I think for most people
>> (and I realise there will be exceptions), London or Birmingham are the best
>> options and are generally well-connected in terms of public transport. I
>> would therefore be very grateful if you could complete the doodle poll,
>> below, as this will give us a sense of the majority view - and also start
>> to give us an idea of potential numbers. I'm away on holiday next week but
>> plan to confirm the venue in early April.
>>
>> http://doodle.com/poll/222ebe9ypqdic47t
>>
>> Also, please do let me know if you'd be interested in helping to shape
>> the day as a volunteer!
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Lucy
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge Images Workshop 19 March

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Geocodes, ah yes, probably guilty there.

I read through the thing twice and clicked various links before deciding I
was going to have to ask what  the connection was between Kinlochleven.jpg
and genocide. And yes I agree that the whole thing is a bit too Geocodey
and dry - if anyone fancies improving it dont worry about it being in
userspace. Oh and trust me, if you get a newbie who is nervous about
changing an article, asking them to choose which picture to use and getting
them to transform articles with pictures is very empowering.

There's also pretty much zero risk of newbies getting edit conflicts or
being bitten by patrollers.

On 9 March 2016 at 16:36, Katherine Bavage 
wrote:

> Typo! But, also, yes lets not train newbies to add images of genocide :/
>
> Anyway, lets head off a debate about how much genocide is too
> much...thanks Jonathan, that's handy :)
>
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 at 16:34 Gordon Joly  wrote:
>
>> On 09/03/16 16:32, Richard Symonds wrote:
>> > I think that word is "geocode", rather than genocide. But yes, if the
>> > word was genocide, then yes, that would be too genocidey.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Are you sure?
>>
>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge Images Workshop 19 March

[WereSpielChequers]

Coming from the opposite end of the scale,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/image_adding is an
exercise I've been building up and testing on newbies. It is based on some
lists from Rich Farmbrough and some sessions that Fabian and I ran.


WSC

On 9 March 2016 at 16:03, Katherine Bavage 
wrote:

> This looks fab - sorry I can't be there!
>
> Can you feedback how it goes/slides/what was useful because I led my first
> training session last weekend and I was already getting into image
> questions I couldn't answer and it would be good to have a few more
> introductory resources.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 at 15:17 Richard Symonds <
> richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Marvellous!
>>
>> Richard Symonds
>> Wikimedia UK
>> 0207 065 0992
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>> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
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>> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
>> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
>> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>>
>> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
>> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>>
>> On 4 March 2016 at 10:46, Charles Matthews <
>> charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This event is confirmed, and basic details are on
>>>
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Cambridge_Images_Workshop_2016
>>>
>>> More about the programme is on the way. The first session will start at
>>> entry level, but will be looking at Commons in the round as well as the
>>> usual introduction to uploading; there will be hands-on work.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Free as in beer

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Well they definitely aren't adding either NC or ND, but they might be implying 
SA with all that sharing is caring stuff.

You could ask before migrating to wiki source, my guess is they are choosing 
CC-BY-SA

Regards

Jonathan / WereSpielChequers 


> On 29 Feb 2016, at 15:19, Richard Symonds <richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> So...
> 
> BrewDog, a Scotland-based "hipster brewery" - for want of a better phrase - 
> have just "open-sourced" their entire recipe collection. 
> 
> You can read more at https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/diy-dog.
> 
> It's not entirely clear what "licence" they're using but they say:
> 
> "copy them, tear them to pieces, bastardise them, adapt them, but most of 
> all, enjoy them. They are well travelled but with plenty of miles still left 
> on the clock. Just remember to share your brews, and share your results. 
> Sharing is caring."
> 
> I guess "free as in beer" has a slightly different meaning now!
> 
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> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who 
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Finding articles without photographs near your current location.

[WereSpielChequers]

Thanks Gordo, Andrew, Fabian and Lucy

I've now been told of another tool https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ which 
can show you articles near places you are planning to visit. 

So Fabian, wherever your dog decides to take you there are likely opportunities 
there as well!

WereSpielChequers


> On 16 Feb 2016, at 12:58, "leu...@fabiant.eu" <leu...@fabiant.eu> wrote:
> 
> Likewise I checked using BT broadband and the window of the room I am sitting 
> in is in the first photo!
> 
> Congratulations on a great tool, it gives me a couple of photos to take when 
> i walk the dog!
> 
> all the best
> 
> Fabian
> aka User:Leutha
> 
> 
>> On 16 February 2016 at 09:44 Andrew West <andrewcw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 February 2016 at 09:38, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Best tried from a mobile device, rather than at home with an broadband
>>> connection? Last time I looked I was on the Isle of Grain!! Which I
>>> wasn't
>> 
>> Not necessarily. I just checked using my BT home broadband, and the
>> top item on the list is the local school, which it gives as 620m away
>> ... which is about correct! Very useful feature, which highlighted a
>> couple of local articles I was not aware of.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> [[User:BabelStone]]
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[Wikimediauk-l] Finding articles without photographs near your current location.

[WereSpielChequers]

I've just been introduced to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby
which lists articles near your current location and from the thumbnail it
is fairly obvious whether it has an image or not.

Has anyone tried using this in outreach to photographers?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Hello! / University of Edinburgh editathon

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hi Ewan,

Sounds like a good event.

I might join you online on one of those days, and I've posted your invite
on WikiProject Medicine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#History_of_Medicine_Editathon_in_person_or_remote_participation_welcome

Regards


WereSpielChequers

On 13 February 2016 at 15:35, MCANDREW Ewan <ewan.mcand...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Apologies for cross posting!
>
>
>
> Just a short email to say hello as the new Wikimedian in Residence at the
> University of Edinburgh (January 2016 to January 2017) and to make you
> aware of the editathon session that the University of Edinburgh is running
> on Tuesday 16th February to Thursday 18th February which Sara Thomas and
> I are hosting at room LG.07 in the David Hume Tower Building, George
> Square, Edinburgh, EH8 9JX.
>
>
>
> The topic is on the History of Medicine on this occasion. It covers
> medical terms not currently covered on Wikipedia as well as historic
> Edinburgh locations which have played a large role in the history of
> medicine. It also broadens out to cover notable personages in the history
> of medicine such as the infamous Burke & Hare grave-robbers as well as the
> intriguing case of James Miranda Barry and continuing our work on those
> female pioneers of the medical profession such as ‘the Edinburgh 7’ whose
> stories continue to be under-represented on Wikipedia.
>
>
>
> There will be refreshments (inc. free lunch if you wish to edit in the
> morning and afternoon sessions), guest speakers, online materials to work
> with, physical materials to work with including, hopefully, the letter
> written in William Burke’s own blood. We’re also looking for some buildings
> associated with Edinburgh’s role in the history of medicine to be
> photographed and uploaded to Wikicommons. You can attend one day or
> multiple days (or just half a day) if you so desire. Either in person or
> remotely joining in. It’s open to all. You’d be very welcome.
>
>
>
> Full details on how to register are on the event page here:
>
>
> https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Creating_an_Open_Body_of_Knowledge_editathon_series
>
>
>
> The project page for the residency is here:
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:University_of_Edinburgh
>
>
>
> I’d be grateful if you could pass this on to anyone you think maybe
> interested.
>
>
>
> Let me know if you have any questions regarding the event, the residency
> or about collaborating on any projects.
>
>
>
> Very best regards,
>
>
>
> Ewan
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Does anybody have a copy of Pevsner's London Volume 2?

[WereSpielChequers]

A Lutyens I would guess.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


> On 2 Jan 2016, at 17:42, - -  wrote:
> 
> I'd imagine the many different editions of that book have different 
> paginations. You'd better check between you what building you are after. 
> 
> 
> 
> Johnbod
> 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week

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Dear Mike,

I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing
Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non
computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an
inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My
preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people
who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross
training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help
Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps.

Jonathan

On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see:
> http://getonlineweek.com/
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week
>
> It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think
> about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more
> 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikimediaUKblue mobile internet device

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I've sent what I remember being the password offlist, can I suggest any
other serious guesses go off list until Chris indicates on list that he has
it working.




On 8 September 2015 at 20:02, Chris McKenna  wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I'm currently borrowing the white mifi mobile internet device, which
> broadcasts the network name "WikimediaUKblue". Unfortunately I don't know
> the password for it - it isn't the same as the black mifi I've used
> previously. I've tried the obvious passwords ("wikipedia", "wikimediaUK",
> etc) to no avail.
>
> Does anyone here know the correct password?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
> 
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>
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Lists of public art in UK counties and cities

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We have quite a few UK public sculptures on commons, especially as a result of 
the geograph import. Would it be possible to use a program to start such lists 
on Wikipedia based on categories on commons?

You could exclude anything in subcategories under museum or church if you want 
to narrow this down to stuff in the open air.

And once the lists are built you might have something that could be auto loaded 
into wikidata.

Side note to the copyright/FOP experts; does permanent public display mean it 
has to stay in the same place and can't be moved even a few yards?

Regards

Jonathan 


 On 27 Aug 2015, at 16:21, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
 This is already attracting new editors to Wikipedia. Show me the
 initiative which is bringing them into Wikidata similarly.
 
 
 
 On 27 August 2015 at 15:10, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 Hi Andy,
 
 if each of these artworks had a Wikidata item, lists could be generated as a
 by-product, in addition to all the possible queries etc.
 
 Putting data into templates to show on Wikipedia pages is neither vegetable,
 animal, or mineral. The worst solution to store this data, IMHO, in 2015.
 
 Cheers,
 Magnus
 
 
 On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 9:23 PM Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
 wrote:
 
 We need more articles listing public art in United Kingdom counties,
 cities or towns.
 
 I've written a blog post about how to compile them:
 
   http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/public-art-wikipedia/
 
 and would be grateful if you would all assist, and ask others to do so.
 
 Once a page is created, adding a row should be something a novice an
 easily do. More experienced Wikipedians can help with tidying up
 formatting, adding references, and so on. As well as adding artworks
 known to you, of course!
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] You are invited to the Royal Opera House

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Hi, we are holding an outreach type editathon at the Royal Opera House on
the 5/6th September and have some places for experienced Wikipedians.


Would you like to join us?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetups/UK/Royal_Opera_House_September_2015


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Photo contests (was visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons)

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Thanks Mike,

I've trawled through those that aren't schools, found some good photos on
either Commons or the Geograph so the list is quite a bit shorter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Greater_Manchester,
but I've left the schools as, well that's really not my bag.

Anyone else want to adopt an English county?

Jonathan

On 12 August 2015 at 21:23, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 With WLM: I was hoping that this would take place again this year,
 particularly since it's been so successful in the past. Perhaps it could
 focus on quality photos rather than quantity if we have reasonably
 comprehensive coverage of listed structures now? Or perhaps we could think
 of a new topic for such a photography competition - perhaps we could focus
 on statues, new buildings, ships, or something else? I guess it depends on
 what else might have a standardised listing available. I'd be interested in
 volunteering to help, particularly with the on-wiki infrastructure side of
 things, but I definitely wouldn't be able to take a lead.

 With requested photos: thanks WSC for the offer! I'd be happy to adopt the
 Greater Manchester county, and to do my best to photograph the requested
 locations if they don't already have available photographs.

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 12 Aug 2015, at 16:32, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have been going through the not particularly useful category Wikipedia
 requested photographs in the United Kingdom
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_the_United_Kingdom
 removing some that are done, doing a few either via commons or by importing
 them from the Geograph, and most importantly moving a lot of them down to
 the much more useful level of nation or in England to County.

 So if you fancy taking a few photos and putting them  on Wikipedia  we
 probably have some current requests near you!

 Anyone fancy adopting a county? First couple to call for help I will go
 through the requests for that county next week and pick off any I can
 import from the Geograph, which should make it a bit more practical to do
 the rest (offer excludes London, Scotland and Wales due to them being too
 big).

 Regards

 Jonathan

 On 12 August 2015 at 10:45, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

 Hello Edward, everyone,

 If there's a volunteer willing to take the lead on Monuments then we can
 offer a little logistical support. However, the volunteers that delivered
 it last year said it was an enormous amount of work and don't have the
 time. If you would like to lead on it then we can help, although time is
 very short at this point.

 Thanks and regards,

 Stevie

 On 12 August 2015 at 10:35, Ed Hand edwar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are we taking part in Wiki Loves Monuments this year?
 No mention of the UK here:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Participating_countries

 best wsihes
 Edward

 On 10 August 2015 at 16:43, WereSpielChequers 
 werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since
 the speed up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I
 suspect that will be especially true for anyone editing large articles as
 V/E's still lacks section editing.

 I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I
 sometimes do is add images to articles and with the classic editor you
 usually have the pain of having to check the template documentation to find
 out what the parameters are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious
 reason these parameters are unlikely to be image and caption). V/E is
 actually quite intuitive here in allowing you to run through the unused
 parameters of the infobox.

 Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking
 options that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm
 sure at some point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the
 contents of a cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to
 a newbie and far less intuitive than using the classic editor.

 Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven't
 yet been in the situation of having to work out which Newcastle V/E is
 prompting me with and it would be good to know whether V/E is using wiki
 data links, keywords, geocodes or some combination. But however it does it
 the images it has prompted me with so far have been pretty good.

 Not sure between Joe and Andy's positions re showing diffs. I have had
 very little to do with the education program, but I appreciate for
 educators knowing how to look at the contributions of a student is
 important. I think that V/E would be a better entry point for technophobes
 whilst clearly the classic editor is better for the technoscenti. How you
 recruit one or other group for an editathon without stereotyping is an
 interesting conundrum. If you have

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Photo contests (was visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons)

[WereSpielChequers]

I have been going through the not particularly useful category Wikipedia
requested photographs in the United Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_the_United_Kingdom
removing some that are done, doing a few either via commons or by importing
them from the Geograph, and most importantly moving a lot of them down to
the much more useful level of nation or in England to County.

So if you fancy taking a few photos and putting them  on Wikipedia  we
probably have some current requests near you!

Anyone fancy adopting a county? First couple to call for help I will go
through the requests for that county next week and pick off any I can
import from the Geograph, which should make it a bit more practical to do
the rest (offer excludes London, Scotland and Wales due to them being too
big).

Regards

Jonathan

On 12 August 2015 at 10:45, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:

 Hello Edward, everyone,

 If there's a volunteer willing to take the lead on Monuments then we can
 offer a little logistical support. However, the volunteers that delivered
 it last year said it was an enormous amount of work and don't have the
 time. If you would like to lead on it then we can help, although time is
 very short at this point.

 Thanks and regards,

 Stevie

 On 12 August 2015 at 10:35, Ed Hand edwar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are we taking part in Wiki Loves Monuments this year?
 No mention of the UK here:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2015/Participating_countries

 best wsihes
 Edward

 On 10 August 2015 at 16:43, WereSpielChequers 
 werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since
 the speed up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I
 suspect that will be especially true for anyone editing large articles as
 V/E's still lacks section editing.

 I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I
 sometimes do is add images to articles and with the classic editor you
 usually have the pain of having to check the template documentation to find
 out what the parameters are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious
 reason these parameters are unlikely to be image and caption). V/E is
 actually quite intuitive here in allowing you to run through the unused
 parameters of the infobox.

 Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking
 options that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm
 sure at some point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the
 contents of a cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to
 a newbie and far less intuitive than using the classic editor.

 Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven't
 yet been in the situation of having to work out which Newcastle V/E is
 prompting me with and it would be good to know whether V/E is using wiki
 data links, keywords, geocodes or some combination. But however it does it
 the images it has prompted me with so far have been pretty good.

 Not sure between Joe and Andy's positions re showing diffs. I have had
 very little to do with the education program, but I appreciate for
 educators knowing how to look at the contributions of a student is
 important. I think that V/E would be a better entry point for technophobes
 whilst clearly the classic editor is better for the technoscenti. How you
 recruit one or other group for an editathon without stereotyping is an
 interesting conundrum. If you have access to a large mailing list of people
 who might be interested then you could do two sorts of sessions, one
 emphasising that this was Wikipedia editing for anyone, especially people
 who tried it in the past and found it technically arcane. Another promising
 a session led by a power user showing how to be an effective editor on
 Wikipedia perhaps billed as this session is suitable for anyone with any
 programming experience, however rusty or archaic.

 Alternatively if you have a good ratio of experienced editors to newbies
 you can guard people and show them the editor most suitable for them.

 Regards

 Jonathan


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 wrote:
 
  I guess when it is sufficiently fast that I don't have time to hit
 edit source instead before it loads, I will start using it on other
 projects.  Until then, a good character editor beats a good WIMPS editor -
 pity it's not a good character editor.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

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I have now used the visual editor for more than a hundred edits since the speed 
up. I agree that the classic editor is generally faster and I suspect that will 
be especially true for anyone editing large articles as V/E's still lacks 
section editing.

I like the way V/E supports infobox editing, one of the things I sometimes do 
is add images to articles and with the classic editor you usually have the pain 
of having to check the template documentation to find out what the parameters 
are for image and caption (sadly and for no obvious reason these parameters are 
unlikely to be image and caption). V/E is actually quite intuitive here in 
allowing you to run through the unused parameters of the infobox.

Table editing is more nuanced, on the one hand there are handy looking options 
that come up inviting you to delete or add columns or rows and I'm sure at some 
point I will find an opportunity to use them. But editing the contents of a 
cell in a table is challenging, not a task I would suggest to a newbie and far 
less intuitive than using the classic editor.

Adding images from commons is really quite impressive in V/E, I haven't yet 
been in the situation of having to work out which Newcastle V/E is prompting me 
with and it would be good to know whether V/E is using wiki data links, 
keywords, geocodes or some combination. But however it does it the images it 
has prompted me with so far have been pretty good.

Not sure between Joe and Andy's positions re showing diffs. I have had very 
little to do with the education program, but I appreciate for educators knowing 
how to look at the contributions of a student is important. I think that V/E 
would be a better entry point for technophobes whilst clearly the classic 
editor is better for the technoscenti. How you recruit one or other group for 
an editathon without stereotyping is an interesting conundrum. If you have 
access to a large mailing list of people who might be interested then you could 
do two sorts of sessions, one emphasising that this was Wikipedia editing for 
anyone, especially people who tried it in the past and found it technically 
arcane. Another promising a session led by a power user showing how to be an 
effective editor on Wikipedia perhaps billed as this session is suitable for 
anyone with any programming experience, however rusty or archaic.

Alternatively if you have a good ratio of experienced editors to newbies you 
can guard people and show them the editor most suitable for them.

Regards

Jonathan


 On 9 Aug 2015, at 01:03, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:
 
 I guess when it is sufficiently fast that I don't have time to hit edit 
 source instead before it loads, I will start using it on other projects.  
 Until then, a good character editor beats a good WIMPS editor - pity it's not 
 a good character editor.
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] visual Editor is now worth using in outreach editathons

[WereSpielChequers]

If anyone is still running outreach editathons to try and recruit new editors, 
you might want to consider using visual editor. I spoke to some of the WMF 
people at Wikimania and apparently the issue of it running very very slowly on 
old kit has recently been largely addressed. I've pointed out in the past that 
as long as that bug was a won't fix you couldn't promote Visual Editor at 
outreach editathons because even if all the laptops look pretty new, there 
could well be someone present using a borrowed laptop and intending to use an 
old PC at home. Since we really can't start an editathon asking the attendees 
if they all use new computers at home, and then reverting to the classic editor 
if someone says their machine was bought in 2010 I and several others have been 
ignoring the Visual Editor for the last couple of years.

I have just run a quick test on this myself using a friend's old PC and V/E 
does now work, though it is still a little slower than the classic editor.

Regards

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Exeter workshop this Weds 15th July

[WereSpielChequers]

Hi Rod,

Sorry I am not around on Wednesday, but happy to give some remote support 
before then.

One limitation you will probably hit is the number of Accounts that can be 
created on one IP address in one day. You can reduce that risk by having 
multiple IPs, by asking attendees to create an account in advance or by 
creating accounts for them. I would be happy to give either you or Andy the 
Account creator right if you want it, that isn't as newbie friendly as being 
able to create accounts themselves, but it bypasses that throttle.

The other throttles I can help with are that newbies are liable to face a 
capcha when they try to add links, and if you structure your workshop in such a 
way that you get to say all hit enter now you will find that six newbies 
successfully edit and the rest get their edit throttled. Both can be mitigated 
by setting participants as confirmed users  - email me any user names you learn 
in advance and I can sort that out for you.

Regards

Jonathan


 On 12 Jul 2015, at 20:21, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 This Wednesday (15th July) I will be doing (with help from Andy Dingley) a 
 workshop at the University of Exeter for web and comms staff from several 
 universities – see https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Exeter_University_July_2015 
 for details.
 
 I will try to add to that page the usernames of participants and any articles 
 edited during the day. If anyone had any time and could help to monitor, 
 advise and guide the participants remotely that would be great.
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Advice re wp workshop - COI, BLP ? Paid editing

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Whilst I agree and gave exactly that advice yesterday to someone who then wrote 
a review of an article on a talkpage explaining where her publication 
contradicted it, another editor promptly responded with the suggestion that of 
course she didn't have a COI and she should amend the article citing her own 
work.

We need to be frank about the differing interpretations of COI in the community.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


 On 16 Apr 2015, at 02:17, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The first rule of COI editing is DON'T
 
 If an article really needs to be changed then post a comment on the talk page 
 then ask for help on the COI noticeboard
 
 IMO no new editor should try anything more complicated than that
 
 Joe
 
 On 16 Apr 2015 00:33, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk 
 wrote:
 I'll get someone to drop you an email or call with advice tomorrow Rod, 
 notwithstanding Andy's (welcome) advice!
 
 On 15 Apr 2015 20:48, Rod Ward rodw...@plus.net wrote:
 I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and 
 would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around 
 Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid 
 editing.
 
 This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are 
 web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south 
 west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics 
 from their institutions (eg 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter
  )
 
 
 This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be 
 held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied 
 into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an 
 email to Richard – but have not had any response from any of them
 
 I have looked at:
 
 ·   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
 
 ·   
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons
 
 ·   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
 
 
 and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any 
 advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond 
 basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the 
 participants to engage with.
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List participation

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There has certainly been a shift to Facebook in that time and possibly to 
Twitter and maybe the specialist sublists like tech and I think education. I'm 
not sure I approve of all of that both for open source reasons and because it 
excludes the pseudonymous amongst us. But it has certainly happened, hopefully 
in the most part with specialised discussions now taking place in specialist 
areas.

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


 On 22 Feb 2015, at 00:09, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought it would be interesting to share a summary I just pulled
 from the database of how many posts per month the WikimediaUK list had
 over the last 3 years. In this period the average numbers have
 declined and now they are at 30% or possibly 20% of what they were in
 2012.
 
 Has there been an increase in wiki activity over the same period?
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimania-l] New member signups at Wikimania

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Hi Andy,

I don't know the total, and we may not have finalised things yet as we are 
still recruiting from people who got involved at Wikimania and are now working 
out how to stay involved. The two I have personally signed up were both 
immediately after Wikimania. I assume you are interested in the whole Wikimania 
related spike, not just those we collared in the barbican?

I can see that this is going to be of interest to both this list, especially 
the Mexico bid team, and of course the Wikimedia UK list. It would also be 
interesting to get feedback from earlier wikimania teams as to what worked for 
them. 

As well as many regulars, Wikimania 2014 attracted a large and enthusiastic 
group of additional volunteers who we have an opportunity to try and engage 
with. Apparently most of them were in a particular Facebook group and we have 
already reached out to them there with invitations to both an Editathon and a 
campus ambassador training session. We will be doing more plugs there for WLM 
etc, any experience from previous wikimanias or indeed Facebook campaigners 
gratefully received. 


Regards

Jonathan Cardy (WMUK)


 On 13 Aug 2014, at 11:13, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
 
 How many new Wikimedia UK members did we sign up, at Wikimania?
 
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[Wikimediauk-l] Editathon 2pm 12th August

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Dear all,

You are invited to an Editathon at the Zoological Society of London on Tuesday 
afternoon next week.

https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/ZSL_London_Zoo_Library_editathon_12_August_2014

regards

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[Wikimediauk-l] Know how to manipulate an Xml database? Want to learn how the new mass upload tool works

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Greetings Wikimanians and Wikimedians in the UK.,

User Fae is running a session at 2pm tomorrow
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_upload_training to cover
the technical practicalities of using the new mass upload tool.

Fae https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae is one of the expert
users of the mass upload tool and a member of the steering group that
commissioned it.

This session will cover an adhoc informal demonstration and discussion /
QA workshop.


This event is part of a series re the Mass upload tool, and covers how to
use the mass upload tool. There will be other sessions that cover issues
such as Copyright.


Click here to register
https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mass_upload_training


Regards


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wikimania-l] Bring your old broken laptops to Wikimania!

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Hi Harry,

I have an old netbook (the one I took to Wikimania Buenos Aires) which has 
stopped picking up WiFi and a fairly new Samsung Chromebook with a dodgy 
mousepad. Does your computer repairer have some guidelines as to how old kit 
can be before it ceases to be worth fixing? and if it is to be repaired and 
passed on will they overwrite the hard drive with blanks to ensure nothing on 
it can be recovered?

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


 On 28 Jul 2014, at 20:08, Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org wrote:
 
 From what I have read about these new rules, it seems that they apply only to 
 hand luggage so a broken laptop in your luggage case would seem OK (why you'd 
 want a broken laptop with you on a flight I'm not sure anway!).
 
 It will be worth checking with a more authorative source than me if you plan 
 on doing this though.
 
 Chris
 
 On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Ellie Young wrote:
 
 
 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't know the English word for aguafiestas,
 
 wet blanket
 
 but anyway: in the security checks at the airports, if you can't turn on 
 your laptop, they may confiscate it and you are going to have a bad time. 
 Be careful with that.
 
 Indeed.To be more specific, here are the new rules at the UK airports:
 
 New Security Rules for the UK: A new security crackdown announced recently 
 by the UK
 Government means that all passengers flying INTO or OUT of the UK must 
 ensure all
 electronic devices being carried in hand luggage are sufficiently charged to 
 be turned on. US
 officials ordered some overseas airports with direct flights to the US, 
 including Heathrow and
 Manchester, to step up screening of electronic devices, such as mobile 
 phones, laptops, shavers
 and cameras. Any devices that can't be turned on might be confiscated.
 
 
 
Patricio
 
 
 2014-07-28 15:18 GMT-03:00 HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com:
 Hi all,
 
 One of our volunteers asked me to put out a call for broken laptops. If you 
 have a broken laptop and you want somebody to help you fix it or you just 
 want to see it recycled, please bring it along to Wikimania!
 
 I imagine lots of us will have broken laptops knocking around, and this 
 could be a great opportunity to bring them back to life or to recycle them 
 properly.
 
 So we have an idea of demand, please email me off-list if you're interested.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] 3D file formats.

[WereSpielChequers]

Thanks Geni,  would you be OK with that being copied to a discussion page on 
commons or meta?

Regards

Jonathan Cardy


 On 17 Jul 2014, at 20:14, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I can't remember who asked about this at the London meetup but options are:
 
 
 .X3D seems to be trying to become the web standard. We would want to modify 
 it a bit to support our preferred video and audio formats.
 
 .blend Native file format of blender 3D rendering software. Covered by 
 various versions of GPL. They also make films. The latest, Tears of Steel, is 
 not on commons because even the low res versions clock in at over 300MB. The 
 4K version is a bit over 6GB. In any case their films can be found on the 
 usual video sites.
 
 .Blend would perhaps be best treated as a raw data format with the renderings 
 exported to something else. On the other hand blender is probably the most 
 powerful free and open source tool for 3d work.
 
 From the 3D printing world we have .STL and .AMF. If supporting printable 
 objects is our prime interest they would be the way to go.
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Kings Cross event

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Editing from a bobsleigh could be an interesting test of our mobile Wifi


On 18 June 2014 16:21, Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org wrote:

 On Wed, 18 Jun 2014, Charles Matthews wrote:

  I think you have just invented the sledgathon, aka wreckshop ...


 A sledgeathon just gives me the mental image of trying to edit Wikipedia
 while hurting down an icy track in a bobsleigh. I'm not certain this would
 be successfull.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] West Midlands Police Museum editathon

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Great news Andy, how limited are the numbers?


On 10 February 2014 15:21, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
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 It's in Spark Hill, which is well-known for, ah, police related incidents.

 Andy: I for one would love to attend - I will see if I'm free.

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 On 10 February 2014 14:39, Stevie Benton 
 stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Please, please tell me the museum is located at 999 Letsby Avenue...


 On 10 February 2014 14:36, Richard Symonds 
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 What's going on 'ere then?

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 On 10 February 2014 14:32, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Hello, hello, hello!


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 I have organised an editathon, in conjunction with the West Midlands
 Police, at the West Midlands Police Museum in Birmingham, on 15 March.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/WM_Police_Museum

 It's a small venue, not usually open to the public, with a very
 interesting collection of objects and archives. There will be good
 opportunities for photographers.

 Places are limited, due to the museum's small size.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Tomorrow: 31 October

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Hi  Dan,

No not hiding from you, you are top of the list of volunteers we were
hoping would help us by moving sacks of Yorkshire tea, beanbags and our
fine collection of pot plants from one side of the building to the other.


On 30 October 2013 16:49, Deskana djgw...@gmail.com wrote:

 You're moving to hide from me because I said I'd be visiting, aren't you?
 :-p

 Dan


 On 30 October 2013 15:32, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 All,

 I should let you know that the UK chapter will be moving offices (in the
 same building) tomorrow, as well as lots of staff being at a conference, as
 well as it being quarter end, and as well as interviewing management
 accountants. All in all, it will be a busy day.

 There is, therefore, a slight chance that emails and phone calls will not
 be answered - although we'll try our best. If there's anything urgent, and
 you can't get a reply, my mobile number is 07803 505 172.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Office] More Wiki Takes … events in September for WLM ?

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OK Michael,

 I've started http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organizing_a_Wiki_takes_event -
this links to the commons one, but has some specific stuff for the UK such
as our ability to supply mobile WiFi for events.


On 27 August 2013 16:59, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:

 Jonathon

 That generic page is a good start, but it would be nice to have an even
 simpler page on WMUK explaining how to organize something really informal
 for WLM, and perhaps giving a WMUK contact email for further help (if
 possible).

 I’m really looking for something that I can link to from this page:
 http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk/?page_id=42

 Michael


 On 27 Aug 2013, at 13:22, Jonathan Cardy wrote:

 Thanks Lodewijk,

 Yes that's what I was looking for.

 Jonathan

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 Hi Jonathan,

 to avoid duplication, could you take a look at
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Organizing_a_Wiki_takes
  and
 see if that is what you're looking for? If you're missing something,
 perhaps that could be improved, and other countries could use that as well.

 Thanks!

 Lodewijk


 2013/8/27 Jonathan Cardy jonathan.ca...@wikimedia.org.uk

 Hi Harry,

 Do you think you could write a checklist/guide for organising such
 events? That might make it more attractive for others to do this, and maybe
 prompt some volunteers.

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 On 23 August 2013 12:58, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 I'm happy to help with logistics if anybody is interested but put off
 by lack of time or experience.

 Also, registration for Chester is still open, please see
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester.

 Thanks,

 Harry Mitchell
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 events in September for WLM ?

 It would certainly be nice to have another one to bookend the
 competition. I approached User:Hassocks... to see if he was interested in
 organising one in Sussex, but he's away for most of September.

 Somewhere outside London might be nice, ideally urban and historic so
 that there are enough listed buildings clustered in one place. And of
 course a volunteer.

 We could perhaps ask Rod Ward, but his neck of the woods is pretty well
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 Clem Rutter is based in Rochester, but I don't know if he has experience of
 organising events. Mark MacDonald is based at Lancaster University. Perhaps
 we could ask if he could get students involved in a Wiki Takes... event?


 On 23 August 2013 12:42, Michael Maggs mich...@maggs.name wrote:

 Harry Mitchell is running a Wiki Takes Chester event on 7th September. (
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Chester)

 Is anyone able to run another local event in September that could pull
 people in to the Wiki Loves Monuments competition?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings

[WereSpielChequers]

Nice work, but as the WLM images will be going onto Coommons you also need
a column for the relevant commons category,  otherwise how are you going to
correctly categorise the uploaded images?

Jonathan

On 19 June 2013 19:41, Katie Chan katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 No, splitting it into multiple lists as it exist now are perfectly fine.


 On 19 June 2013 17:42, Rod Ward r...@rodspace.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Katie,

 ** **

 Thanks – I guess I will be going through the Somerset ones when I get
 some time.

 ** **

 Does it matter that a county (ie Somerset) has too many entries to fit on
 one list?

 ** **

 Rod

 ** **

 *From:* Katie Chan [mailto:katie.c...@wikimedia.org.uk]
 *Sent:* 19 June 2013 17:21
 *To:* Rod Ward
 *Cc:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list; Wikimediauk-l
 *Subject:* Re: [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings

 ** **

 Unless as a research project, someone go through every entries to see
 what each particular listing covers and count manually, no one have the
 answer to how many independent buildings or structures are listed. That's
 why the heritage organisations talks about listed building entries instead,
 which is also how I counted Scotland, Wales  Northern Ireland.

 ** **

 The template for England is particular crude and in need of improvement.
 The headers are chosen based on what headers are on the various existing
 lists so that changing to templates don't lose us any existing information.
 Some of the headers, such as architect and date listed could probably do
 with being made optional. I'll see about doing that unless someone beat me
 to it. The UID (or HB number) field is essential for WLM as tagging an
 upload with that is how we know an upload on Commons is eligible for the
 competition so yes, that would need to be added. With the number, we can
 also link directly to each individual entries page on English Heritage
 (likewise for Scotland  Northern Ireland), instead of say Images of
 England or some other website. The templates don't actually currently have
 a separate column for references as I was having a little problem with
 making template variables work inside a ref tag. I guess the solution
 will be having to do it manually. Again, unless someone beat me to it, I'll
 add that sometime.

 ** **

 Katie

 ** **

 On 19 June 2013 16:12, Rod Ward r...@rodspace.co.uk wrote:

 Hi Katie,

  

 This looks as if you have done a tremendous amount of work.

  

 However I have some questions..

 When I created
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Somerset and
 its 7 sub lists I was asked “How many listed buildings are there” as part
 of various review processes -  even having studied all the source I can
 find for year I can mot answer that. In Bath whole streets (of 30-50
 buildings) can be under one listing and yet in other examples the house may
 be one listing, the walls several more and the fountain a listing on its
 own. Therefore what figure should be put in the first “number” column on
 the tracking table?

  

  

 If a list created some years ago (eg
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_South_Somerset)
 has references for each one which use Images of England, and was completed
 before the National heritage list was available are you asking for an extra
 column to be added with the NHLE Unique ID number?

  

 Do we need to include columns for architect and date list?

  

 Rod

  

  

 *From:* wlm2013-l-boun...@wikimedia.org.uk [mailto:
 wlm2013-l-boun...@wikimedia.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Katie Chan
 *Sent:* 19 June 2013 15:11
 *To:* WLM 2013 UK mailing list
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 *Subject:* [Wlm2013-l] Lists of UK listed buildings

  

 Hi all,

  

 One of the task that needs to be completed for WLM to happen is to have
 exhaustive lists of all eligible listed buildings on Wikipedia, using
 appropriately formed templates instead of wiki tables directly. To get
 everyone going, I have created the templates[1], which everyone is of
 course encouraged to improve.

  

 In terms of the actual lists themselves, I have created a tracking
 table[2] so that everyone can see where we are and where work needs to be
 done. All the columns should be fairly self explanatory, aside from the one
 on images which is intended to track when someone has searched through
 Commons  Wikipedia for existing images and added them to the respective
 list.

 Except for Wales, where lists didn't exist before, you can navigate to
 the existing lists from [3]. As you can see, I have made a start on at
 least one counties per countries so that everyone can see what I envisage
 them looking like[4]. You can find a copy of the source data for
 England[5], Wales[6], Scotland[7] and Northern Ireland[8] at the respective
 links provided. There's also PHP scripts for manipulation of
 geo-coordinates (latitude/longitude) to[9] and from[10] OS 

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Funding Opportunity: Google launch the Global Impact Challenge

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Making the English Wikipedia more accessible to non-English speakers is a
worthy objective and something which we could easily make a big difference
to. Currently the main route for non-English speakers to access EN wiki is
via Google translate and similar online translation services. If Google
were willing to work with us, we could make an easy and uncontentious
difference to that by getting lists of translation anomalies and where
practical amending the Wikipedia article. I've been doing this on a small
scale for years working my way though easily confused words like
staring/starring and cavalry/calvary. It is now far less common to have
Wikipedia articles about actors staring in particular movies or calvary
armies charging into battle, and as for the throwing of discusses I've
abolished an entire Olympic sport. My understanding of translation software
is that it works on a probability basis, so if we were to get lists of
articles and phrases on EN wiki that a particular translation software
finds to be ambiguous and can only give a borderline probability to, we
should be able to identify a lot of ambiguities and errors on EN wiki;.
Fixing these would benefit all editors but particularly those who depend on
translation software.

Taking things to the logical next step, we could introduce a system of
hidden templates to resolve words with multiple meanings such as bonnet,
bolt, batter, tramp or pants. As well as transforming the quality of
machine translation of the pedia, this would also make it easier to offer
people a choice as to which version of English they view Wikipedia in.

Working in the opposite direction would be more contentious due to
licensing, in fact I doubt we could help any translation software improve
its own code unless they had a compatible license. I'd also be loathe to
see us work with one set of machine translation software in a way that gave
them an advantage over their competitord

WSC

On 25 March 2013 21:43, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 The most impact that we could realise on a global scale would be to make
 the knowledge in the English Wikipedia available to people who don't speak
 English. £500,000 and Google technical support would go a long way to
 realising some of that goal.

 As the largest established chapter in the English-speaking world, the onus
 should probably fall on us to coordinate an effort of that sort.

 Thoughts?
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 I agree, it is interesting and we do desperately need to diversify our
 revenue. Do we have any suitable projects we've been wanting to run
 but haven't due to lack of funds, though? Funds haven't really been
 our limiting factor.

 The VLE work might be suitable, but I doubt Google would consider it
 interesting enough (it's useful, but it isn't really transformative).

 Coming up with new projects specifically to apply for a particular
 grant is generally a bad idea.

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  Interesting
 
 
 
  Dear Jon,
 
  Today Google launched the Global Impact Challenge. Over the past few
  months ACEVO has been working very closely with Google and think that
 this
  game-changing award will celebrate the innovative work happening within
 the
  sector. So we are inviting charities and voluntary organisations to
 showcase
  how they would use technology to transform the lives of their
 beneficiaries.
  The top four entries of the competition will each receive £500,000 and
  support to help their project become a reality. A team at Google will
  announce 10 finalists in mid-May and the public will be invited to vote
 and
  donate to their favourite project.
 
  The prestigious panel judging the finalists will be inventor of the
  Internet Sir Tim Berners-Lee, Mogul Sir Richard Branson and founder and
 CEO
  of Forster Communications Jilly Forster. It’s thrilling to know how
 similar
  Google and ACEVO’s approach is in celebrating innovation - I feel that
 this
  is the start of a great corporate friendship.
 
  Applications opened today so apply here www.g.co/impactchallenge for
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [WMUK Office] Fwd: Wikipedia source for BBC

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And there was I thinking that the 50s and 60s were the nearly contemporary
area where Wikipedia was at its weakest. Not old enough to be taught in the
schools or new enough to be known to the technoscenti. Clearly those gaps
are getting filled in.

WSC


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 Even the BBC needs us to record its own history...


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone interested in Lua and PIzza one day?

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If no-one wants to attend both events, and the building has rooms to cope,
then holding both this and the board meeting on the 11th May would be a
great opportunity for synergy. Who knows, the following year you might get
someone from the Lua event standing to be a trustee, or a trustee standing
down to spend more time coding in Lua.

Jonathan

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 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone interested in Lua and PIzza one day?

 May 11th is a board meeting, so the basement might be crowded!

 Andrew.

 On 15 March 2013 15:13, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  May 11th would be the day before the May London meetup, that might be
  convenient for some people.
 
  WSC
 
 
  On 15 March 2013 12:42, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 
  Hey why not?
 
  I think there is interest in this so we should think how and where we
  should advertise it. Obviously on the UK Wiki.
 
  Not a huge fuss to do - someone to open the office on a Saturday?
 
  Skype or whatever and lots of pizza.
 
  Tom's offer is kind. Can you suggest a date?
 
 
  On 15 March 2013 12:18, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 
 
  I thought you said luau and pizza...
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luau
 
  Silly me,
 
  Gordo
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone interested in Lua and PIzza one day?

[WereSpielChequers]

May 11th would be the day before the May London meetup, that might be
convenient for some people.

WSC

On 15 March 2013 12:42, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hey why not?

 I think there is interest in this so we should think how and where we
 should advertise it. Obviously on the UK Wiki.

 Not a huge fuss to do - someone to open the office on a Saturday?

 Skype or whatever and lots of pizza.

 Tom's offer is kind. Can you suggest a date?


 On 15 March 2013 12:18, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:



 I thought you said luau and pizza...

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Luau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luau

 Silly me,

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Membership grace period

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Hi Jess,

First of Jan is an awkward time of year - people are most likely to get
into debt over Xmas so I'd be cautious about trying to harmonise all our
renewals at that time of year. If you have a bunch of regular AGM attenders
who pay their memberships in cash then it is obviously easiest to get them
to pay when they turn up at the AGM, but I doubt that greatly applies to us
and I wouldn't recommend 1st Jan for an AGM.

There are many disadvantages to having all renewals on the same date. It
means you are always signing up new members on the basis of a part year
membership at one price followed hopefully by full year memberships; It
concentrates all your membership renewal work in one point of the year; and
it means there is a particular point in the year when your membership dips
which could be awkward for special AGMs etc. If membership revenue was ever
a significant part of our income it would also mean that our cashflow was
distorted with a spike in our revenue that didn't coincide with a spike in
expenditure.

By contrast I'm not aware of any advantage to having them all on the same
date. So I'd suggest it is better to have them as evenly spread through the
year as possible.

WSC

On 9 February 2013 22:35, Jessica Taylor jessica.s.taylo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Richard, thanks for that explanation. I may be barking up the wrong tree
 but I'll jump in anyway.

 If memberships became due each 1st of January, fundraising/dues collection
 could be easier. I realize that there would be many logistical hurdles
 which may moot this suggestion.

 Is it plausible that WMUK could ask members if they'd be willing to pay
 both the membership from their next expiration date to the next normal
 expiration date PLUS their next year's dues for the year of 2014 with the
 understanding that their membership period will thenceforth be from January
 to January and will next be due on 1 January 2015. I realize that some
 members would say, No.

 Alternatively, could WMUK ask members if they would voluntarily relinquish
 their leftover membership periods at midnight on the 31 December 2013 AND
 start their memberships over the next day? Again I realize some members may
 say, No, because of the lost value of X months of membership.

 Final alternative, might WMUK ask members if to anonymously gift part-year
 memberships on behalf of other anonymous members from the date the
 membership in question expires. For a membership expiring on 5 September
 2013, the donor would pay through 31 December 2013. Then the member
 receiving the gifted dues could pre-pay their membership for the year of
 2014 on 5 September when they would have normally paid anyway. If this sort
 of thing were agreed to by all, I'd be willing to gift a couple of partial
 year memberships.

 Just a thought,

 Jess


 On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 No Jess - each individual is due to renew at a different time each year,
 depending on when they joined. I joined on 5 December, I think: That means
 that I am due for renewal on 4 December. I will get an email just before
 that date.

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 On 9 February 2013 20:27, Jessica Taylor jessica.s.taylo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I like the idea of updating the pages regarding membership on the WMUK
 site.

 Also, I agree multiple reminders are helpful. I think the idea of
 changing the address so that the renewal isn't automatically fed to an
 archive folder would be helpful for people like me.

 Excuse me for not having checked myself, but all membership dues are due
 at the same time each year, correct?

 Thanks,

 Jess


  On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Michael Peel 
 michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  I think we need to update the pages on the wiki here.
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Help
 is rather out of date (and there's plenty of questions being asked here
 that could be answered there),
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Process
 could probably do with expanding, and maybe we even need to revise
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Membership/Rules
 to include things like paying for membership in advance as Tom is
 pointing out (maximum number of years, etc.), and some others (e.g. if you
 renew part-way through the grace period, do you get 12 months from then, or
 12 months from the anniversary of your joining date - that's currently a
 bit ambiguous).

 Thanks,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Where are we with QRpedia?

[WereSpielChequers]

My understanding was that QRpedia was used to generate the codes, but the
codes on the plaques use qrwp.org. which has been publicly offered to the
movement.

I agree that we should not be promoting the use of QR codes unless we are
reasonably confident that the site they link to is maintained by the
movement or a registered charity with a compatible ethos. I'm hoping that
the donation of qrwp.org  is still on offer and not subject to whatever
part of the negotiations is still ongoing.

When and if a deal is finalised then the things I will be looking for
include who is to own the two domains and whether the brand we will be
using when we promote QR codes is within the movement or something similar.
Personally I have no problem with us collaborating with something outside
but of a similar nature, Geograph and Open street map come to mind as
charities which we have or should collaborate with, or simply use but give
due credit for.


WSC

On 31 January 2013 13:33, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 many thanks jon! personally i do not like that the qrpedia domain is
 registered cloaked, so nobody knows what comes out there later on.
 this, and the long time the topic could not be settled is imo enough
 to consider the name qrpedia as poisoned.

 maybe it's best to just leave qrpedia to the people who registered it
 and use another domain. qrcodes pointing to some website which then
 redirects to some url is no rocket sience, and widely used since quite
 a long time.

 at WMCH we use qrcodes at least in two working groups, international
 (tunesia e.g.) and GLAM. they are important to us, and i'd consider it
 high risk to mount qrcode stickers physically which then link to a
 site which has a cloaked owner. if qrpedia in 2 years time links to
 pussy galore there is huge cost involved to change all the stickers
 installed, beside the enormous reputational damage.

 rupert


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 jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  Joe (and lots of people)
 
  I really understand the sincerity of your interest and the need to get
 this
  settled. I can assure you that as I write two of the trustees are working
  hard to come to a solution that will be in the interest of the community
 and
  the movement in general.
 
  Jon.
 
 
  On 26 January 2013 11:39, Joe Filceolaire filceola...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Jon
 
  It does seem extraordinary that nobody seems able to write out a summary
  of what these arguments are.
 
  We are not asking for this information because we think it will lead to
 an
  acceptable agreement more quickly; we are asking because we want to know
  what is being done on our behalf.
 
  Joe
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
  wrote:
 
  On 21/01/13 17:10, Jon Davies wrote:
 
 
  However I do not think an acceptable agreement will come any more
  quickly if we rehearse the many and complicated arguments on this
 list.
 
 
  How did we get get here then?
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Polish becomes England's second language

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I can see a case for Wikimedia or Wikimedia Poland doing something about
that. But I would advise against a UK based organisation trying to involve
itself in the Republic, especially on such a contentious issue as the
second language of Ireland.

WSC

On 30 January 2013 15:54, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Related note: There are more native Polish speakers in Ireland than native
 Irish speakers. We may be able to inspire something to happen there too.


 On 30 January 2013 15:04, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/30/polish-becomes-englands-second-language

 Anything we can do to get more UK-resident Poles editing?

 Do we have any idea of edits to pl:wp from the UK?


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

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I'm not party to the negotiations, and of course things being discussed
there could be very different to what has been announced publicly. But
unless I've missed something Roger has publicly offered to give the
technology and another domain to the community, however he has said he is
keeping QRpedia.org. So we as a community need to discontinue using QRpedia
as a brand.

Obviously that is unfortunate, but we should not look a gift horse in the
mouth, what Roger and his associates have created and are giving to the
community is very useful, we have no right to complain that they are being
less generous than some might like.

WSC

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 On 20 January 2013 20:07, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Would I be correct in understanding that you are intending to retain the
  QRpedia website and presumably brand? If so presumably we will need a new
  brand for our QR codes and should stop using the term QRpedia except when
  referring to the site currently used to generate QR codes?

 Given how well-known - and respected - that name has become, that
 would be a terribly retrograde step.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

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The part of the Geograph that we've imported so far is indeed
overwhelmingly low res - they lifted their file size a little before the
large batch imports were done, but some high res images were in those
batches and subsequent smaller scale imports from the Geograph have
included some very high res images. I suspect that a large proportion of
the million plus Geograph images that we've yet to import will be fairly
high resolution.

The categorisation needed backlog of Geograph images is now down to circa
700,000 and will have dipped quite a bit further by September when the next
WLM runs. However apart from churches, piers, war memorials, hill forts and
some castles the bulk of the geograph categorisation has been to village or
town level - so we are probably in much the same state that we were in last
year. Any photogenic listed building that can be photographed from the road
and is within a congenial drive of a decent real ale pub will have been
photographed by geographers. Especially if it is thatched or has Llamas in
the next field (
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Llamas_and_alpacas_in_the_United_Kingdomdemonstrates
that according to frequency on Commons both species are
clearly of UK origin).

As for the idea that Geographers are hardy folk who only take exterior
shots and never enter buildings; Well a search on Commons for stained glass
Norfolk gets 1,124 hits whilst a search for stained glass gets only 40,114,
so one English county accounts for 3% of our global coverage of stained
glass.

In our recent photo-adding session
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/image_adding we got
some newbies and not so newbies to add images to articles on Wikipedia and
we found that most articles which lack an image but have a UK geocode can
already be illustrated from Commons. The main exception being nature
reserves - (my theory being they don't allow cars or serve real ale). Of
course there may be lots of notable buildings that are sufficiently
unfashionable not to have either articles or images despite having a Listed
status.

So I'm not convinced that WLM would give us images for articles that
already exist but lack images, though it could give us new photographers,
show that we are taking part in a global wiki event, and help kickstart
articles on important but uncommercial buildings. All that in my view makes
it worthwhile to do, but with the precaution that I proposed last year - we
need to advise people that we may already have images, possibly
uncategorised ones of the monument in question, and if they want to be the
first to load an image of a particular building they first need to check
whether we already have it.

WSC








On 16 January 2013 16:55, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:

 Huge dents have been made in the Geograph backlog since last year, thanks
 mainly to changes in HotCat and Cat-a-lot on Commons and the dedication of
 WereSpielChequers and others. Geograph is fantastic, but it has surprising
 gaps and the images are all low-res, so there's definitely room for
 Geogrpah and WLM to peacefully co-exist.

 Harry Mitchell
 http://enwp.org/User:HJ
 Phone: 024 7698 0977
 Skype: harry_j_mitchell

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 As I recall, the objections were in part that we have most of this
 material already on Commons (via Geograph), but badly organised. I
 don't know if that's changed, or if we've got a better idea of what's
 out there...

 - Andrew.

 On 16 January 2013 16:45, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
  Well we have a list of Grade I listed buildings in every county. I'm
 sure it
  would be easy enough to have a bot do the same for Grade II* and
 Scheduled
  Ancient Monuments, and that gives us a ready-made target list. How much
 more
  organisation is needed, beyond creating the necessary project pages on
 the
  relevant wikis and getting the word out?
 
  Harry Mitchell
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  Skype: harry_j_mitchell
 
  
  From: Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
  To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013, 16:31
  Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WikiConference 2013 Speakers
 
  Excellent suggestions, thanks, I will look into it.
 
  A WLM speaker would be great... last year it was mentioned, but only as a
  plea for someone to step forward and organise the UK effort.
 
  I looked into what it would take but it seems a larger job than I'd have
  time for given my other committements - is there noone from the GLAM
 side of
  things who can take it on??
 
  Tom
 
 
  On 15 January 2013 21:11, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 
  If the UK would

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw: WikiConference 2013 Speakers

[WereSpielChequers]

Thanks Roger,

Both Geograph and Wiki Loves Monuments have established that people like
photography contests, and they are willing to take images and release them
under open licenses. I'd also add that enough of the images are good that
it is worth sifting through the many that aren't.

Geograph is very much focussed on the UK and Eire, though I think they may
be extending to Germany. They definitely aren't global but then neither is
the UK chapter. WLM started in the Netherlands and has now extended to
dozens of countries, but not yet the UK.

WLM is a Wikimedia initiative from one of our fellow chapters, and I'd
agree that means a presumption that we should take part, and that we'd be
welcome participants. The Geograph is a completely separate entity and my
only attempt to contact them has not been responded to after some months (I
emailed them about a probable copyright anomaly). But their licensing is
fully compatible with ours.

The Geograph runs a points based system which started off with the idea of
getting a photo of every square kilometer of the UK, Yes they really do
have images as banal as a bit of driftwood on the shingle that forms the
only dry land in one particular grid square. They've subsequently extended
that model to allow various other ways to get points for subsequent picture
in the same square km. I have whinged slightly here about their poor
coverage of nature reserves, but I'd really like to see the UK chapter
approach them and say Here is a list of Wikipedia articles that lack
images, would you be willing to add them to Geograph and offer Geograph
points for photographing them? And while we are talking would your members
like a dual load option so that they can also load their images onto
commons?

Where the Geograph outscores WLM is that they aren't time limited, some of
their photographers have uploaded images from decades ago, and they cover
the same object in different seasons. I think that makes them more
compatible with Wikipedia, September foliage can hide some of the features
we want to photograph, winter snow can highlight earthworks and other
archaeology, past events are best illustrated with old photos, and
waterfalls in particular are much better illustrated with minigalleries
showing winter spate next to summer trickles.

I've taken part in some of the discussions about the future of WLM, and
there is a realisation that it will need to change as we run out of
monuments in some countries, But they do seem very wedded to the idea of it
being a September competition, and I find that very limiting.

My preference would be that we follow both tracks, there is no guarantee
that WLM would want to collaborate with us, but if they did the benefits
would be great for us both - and why not run WLM in cooperation with the
Geograph?

WSC



On 20 January 2013 16:52, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Firstly - Good summary WSC

 Geograph is basically a wiki for images. You take a picture. You load it
 to Geograph and specify where the item is and where you were standing when
 you took it. The picture is then looked over by someone to check its not a
 picture of your thumb. THe picture is categorised in a way similar to
 commons. Points are awarded based on the rarity of the picture (no one has
 taken a picture there before). The site attracts a lot of happy snappers
 and people who like to get points. Its a great idea and its worked. YOu may
 not find a great picture of extly what you want .. but then there are
 lots of pictures still to load and lots that require better categorisation.
 On the latter - there has been a lot of improvement. If you compare it to
 panaramio which is Googles tool for getting people to donate geotagged
 images then Id say that the quality is not as good but the quantity of
 images is much better by Geograph. I look at images on Google Earth for
 Morocco and there is an occasional picture of maybe one settlement in 6.

 However I agree with WSC's final para (as well) and although it would have
 been nice to see Geograph run across the world, it appears that WLM has the
 brand and momentum. (And their prizes are impressive).

 HTT
 R

 On 20 January 2013 13:51, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Can someone give me a quick overview of how geograph works and how the
 images are taken?

 I ask this because a number of images from my home town are poor quality,
 and incomplete (I can locate less than 5 notable buildings photographed in
 the town, when the real number is circa 20-30).

 When I say poor quality I don't necessarily mean low res etc. but of
 poor photographic quality; for example a monument in the centre of the town
 is photographed from about half a mile away across the roofs of several
 buildings (although you can drive/walk right past it...).

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] state of qrpedia

[WereSpielChequers]

Hi Roger, thanks for that update. Would I be correct in understanding that
you are intending to retain the QRpedia website and presumably brand? If so
presumably we will need a new brand for our QR codes and should stop using
the term QRpedia except when referring to the site currently used to
generate QR codes?


WSC


On 20 January 2013 18:08, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 We've been ready to get something in order for some time now and the
 difficulties, which I am not that clear on, seem to be on the WMUK side

 Roger


 On 20 January 2013 17:38, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 would it be possible to reveal the main obstacles why this is not yet
 settled?

 On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Well thats a timely question. A deal was agreed in July with the UK
 board's
  representative and their Chief Exec and a contract was drawn up. Before
  Christmas the UK board said that they wanted to re-negotiate and wanted
 to
  create a new contract. As you can iimagine this was disappointing and
 we did
  not want to go through that process again. The board has recently agreed
  that it will endeavor to create a binding deal and they have delegated
 two
  board members to restart the process.
 
  However, QRpedia remains available for anyone to use and we have
 projects
  including those in Australia, France, Spain, Gibraltar, Germany, India,
  Estonia and Tunisia, These will continue to be supported for ever at no
  cost.
 
  Hope that helps
 
  On 20 January 2013 14:58, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com
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  hi,
 
  what is the current status of qrpedia? is at already recommended to
  use it again in wikiland?
 
  rupert.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Verifying membership applications - Suggestions and comments

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The Postcard idea is good, but remember that a postcard isn't in an
envelope, so please don't print anything more on it than the minimum needed
for us to know which postcards have come back - i.e. a membership number.

I would suggest that you also want something in the process to raise an
alert when you have more than three members at an address, - this can of
course be perfectly legit if the address is a University Hall of residence,
but it can be a useful check.

WSC

On 22 November 2012 12:05, Katherine Bavage 
katherine.bav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Morning all,

 So, I'm sensing that while there is some acceptance that a bit more
 gatekeeping may be warranted, we don't want anything heavy handed, and that
 verifying identity prior to voting each time isn't practicable.

 How do we feel about Jon's suggestion of confirming address? I can easily
 set up a join process whereby:

 1. Member indicates wanting to join by filling out application form
 (online or paper)
 2. Office logs application on Civi CRM and sends potential member a
 postcard and sticker in an envelope. Postcard has our freepost address on
 once side, and bullet points on the other side briefly explaining:


1. The membership approval process (some new members aren't always
clear on being approved and the delay until the next round of approvals by
the board)
2. Signposting to our events page in the meantime
3. That returning the card is an effective declaration that their
address and name as provided are genuine (and they will undertake to update
us if this changes)
4. That if they have not applied for membership they should inform us
of the error via email

 3. Member receives postcard at genuine address if given. Enjoys sticker
 (yay) and drops postcard into the post.
 4. Office receives postcard, and marks address as verified against
 membership record.

 The downside if this approach is we can't verify that a person's name is
 what they have declared it is. However, the upsides are having not only
 verified they live where they say they do, but this being at a minimal
 expense, and providing more information and an opportunity to engage them
 early in the process. Currently becoming a member can be a bit
 underwhelming.

 Also, I should add, I strongly agree with the idea that the best overall
 way to combat the problem is to have a larger, more active membership,
 complemented by staff, Trustees and volunteers to continue to be alert
 to any unusual patterns of recruitment or behaviour in a new crop of
 unknown volunteers. I think this approach will add a layer of security to
 that however.

 Katherine

 On 21 November 2012 08:19, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 20/11/12 20:12, Chris Keating wrote:


 Another step some organisations take is to say that someone has to be a
 member for a certain length of time before conferring voting rights on
 them, though the only time I've seen this is enacted is when there have
 been serious problems with people joining to push particular agendas. (Also
 worth nothing that this in our case would need an amendment to the
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 I am reminded that we have an EGM in the pipeline to change (or not) the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia (Andreas Kolbe)

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Dear Andreas, We need to remember that this is a volunteer driven process,
and the commodity in short supply is volunteer time not PR professionals
time. Encouraging PR people to forum shop by raising the same thing in
multiple venues is disrespectful of the community, it also risks damaging
things for the PR flacks as the temptation would be to ignore them as they
are likely to have raised things elsewhere. What we should be doing is
advising them of the best place to go with their problem, and the best way
to escalate things if that doesn't work. The confict of Interest
noticeboard is not usually going to be appropriate for them, as it says:
Post here if you are concerned that an editor has a COI, and is using
Wikipedia to promote their own interests at the expense of
neutralityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV.
Where a Living person is being misreported then the BLP noticeboard is an
option for escalation. But encouraging PR flacks to forum shop is not going
to be part of a workable solution. We need to work with the grain of the
community and that means understanding that forum shoppers get short shrift.

As for the idea that all PR complaints should be responded to within 24
hours, that would have the effect of prioritising the updating of a company
article to name a company's new chair above dealing with a case of cyber
bullying in a school playground. I suspect that most of us would take the
ethical line that dealing with cyber bullying gets priority over a slightly
out of date business article. Yes it would be good to know how quick OTRS
is, and if OTRS needs additional volunteers, but if OTRS needs to
prioritise anything it should be serious issues above less serious ones,
and some business related issues will be more urgent than others. I would
be surprised if OTRS doesn't already have some such prioritisation system,
if only that volunteers will concentrate on the urgent stuff.

WSC

On 14 November 2012 00:00, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Paul Wilkinson 
 paul.wilkin...@pwcom.co.uk wrote:

 Dear Andreas
 Francis Ingham is DG of the PRCA. Its fee-paying members include RLM
 Finsbury (among other WPP companies), so, ultimately, it contributes to his
 salary. Possible COI?

 Paul



 Come on, you are a CIPR fellow, and CIPR and PRCA are rival bodies. In
 fact, Ingham used to be the CIPR's assistant director, until he defected to
 the PRCA. Shall I make an ad-hominem comment based on your COI too?

 Yes, Finsbury is one of several hundred members of PRCA. Even so Ingham
 did not condone their behaviour. And what he says about the poor perception
 of PR professionals is the same thing CIPR have said (and according to
 Wikipedia, it's one thing CIPR and PRCA agree on, and have collaborated on).

 The question is not, does the man have a COI; the question is, Is there
 merit in what he says?

 And there is. Oliver's revamp of the Contact Us pages has made a huge
 difference, because previously, PR professionals would pass three
 invitations to fix the article themselves before they would come to the
 OTRS e-mail address.

 But there is still room for improvement. OTRS e-mails should be responded
 to the same day, not up to four weeks later. Is anyone collecting data on
 how quickly OTRS mails are responded to? Are those data public? If not,
 there is another potential area for improvement.

 PR professionals could be invited to post to the COI noticeboard AND the
 article talk page at the same time (leaving a link on the article talk page
 to the COIN discussion), so they get a prompt response. There should be a
 discussion whether PR professionals should be forbidden or encouraged to
 contribute to COI noticeboard queries where they do not have a COI
 themselves beyond being PR professionals too. These are some ideas.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] PR industry blames 'cumbersome' Wikipedia

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I would be tempted to say We hope this is an isolated problem and that
most UK PR agencies employ someone who doe not find it cumbersome to send
an Email.

WSC

On 14 November 2012 11:46, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 I think the journalist was more interested in trying to paint a picture of
 conflict by asking that question, which makes for a more interesting story
 for some people. I was really keen for that not to happen. I was more
 interested in getting across the points about how Wikipedia works and how
 it can be engaged with, rather than stirring up trouble!

 Thanks,

 Stevie


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 On 14 November 2012 11:25, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

  I was asked if I had any specific response to the PRCA comments, but
 really
  there's nothing helpful to add there, except that talk pages and emails
  needn't be cumbersome.

 Stating the obvious isn't always unhelpful: making the system work
 properly is win-win for Wikipedia's readers and those with legitimate
 corrections/updates.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An interesting blog from Africa.

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We do have a systematic bias that leads us to under-represent Africa, and
anywhere else where secondary sources are sparse. But otherwise I believe
the blogger is misinformed. Our page views aren't flat, they are growing
faster than the average for the Internet. And while the number of new
articles per day is below our peak, that isn't the main area of improvement
in Wikipedia, we already have over 4 million articles, most of the editing
and much of the new content is to maintain and improve the articles we
have. This is an inevitable transition in a growing project, at the
beginning all articles had to be started, now in many topic areas the main
need is for article improvement.

WSC

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] An opportunity

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As a registered UK charity WMUK can't simply pass all its income through
the FDC, because the trustees of Wikimedia UK are responsible for making
the decisions as to how that money is spent.

However for the next financial year I would hope we would be in a slightly
different situation where the UK budget is rather more than WMUK's income
and the FDC agrees to grant fund some of its program.

As for Emailing last years one off donors, obviously the WMF and WMUK need
to to discuss this, but I'm pretty sure that there are data protection
reasons that would prevent WMUK simply handing over that mailing list.
Though they might be able to get a neutral third party to match the list
against lists of UK donors to the WMF from years prior to 2011 and identify
the overlap. Logically the WMF should be emailing past donors, and it would
be sensible for WMUK to email its own past donors, especially those that
the WMF doesn't have emails for. In an ideal world WMUK rather than WMF
would email the overlap because WMUK has the more recent relationship, the
tax advantage and most importantly the capacity to set up Direct Debits.
But we do not appear to be in logical times.


WSC



On 29 September 2012 22:14, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I do imply competence as well. With the FDC in place, all the money we
 raise will nominally pass through the FDC pot anyway, so there's no
 stealing the donors from WMF.

 On 29 September 2012 22:09, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote:

 That would be a not-good idea.

 i.e. it's not an alternative donation stream. And it's similar acting
 like a spoilt child (well if you won't let me do the fundraiser I'll steal
 all those donors from you!).

 Instead of proving how *important *we are, lets prove how *competent *we
 are.

 Tom


 On 29 September 2012 22:04, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Suggestion: use the list of past donors at the same time as the
 beginning of the WMF fundraiser to create the biggest impact. The amounts
 of money we can raise separately from the banner landing page is, in a
 sense, an indicator of how important we are.
  On Sep 29, 2012 7:44 PM, WereSpielChequers 
 werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have a mailing list of people who donated to WMUK last year. I'm
 assuming that we are still going to email them and ask for another
 donation? If so we can hopefully switch some to Direct debit and up the
 proportion who tick gift Aid. For Data Protection reasons I doubt we could
 simply hand that list to the States


 Another thing to push is payroll giving. I suspect that quite a few of
 our donors are on PAYE and if you are your employer will almost certainly
 be administering a Payroll giving scheme, they may even be topping it up.
 One big advantage of Payroll giving over Gift Aid is that the tax saved is
 at the highest rate that you pay. I'm sure an email to our donors would get
 a few of them to convert to that.  If they are higher rate taxpayers or
 their employer matches donations then we may even be able to get some of
 them to go viral and promote Payroll giving to us amongst their colleagues.

 The Wiki Loves Monuments people did a great calender this year, but
 just as a gift to participants. If we can repackage that and get it into
 the charity calender section of WH Smith etc we will make some useful dosh.
 OK I doubt we could get into the shops for this Xmas, but from next year we
 should be able to produce a calender a year and a set of Christmas cards.

 I doubt if you even need to show the logo, just something along the
 lines of Wikimedia UK is a registered charity no . and part of the
 global Wikimedia movement which funds Wikipedia and other open source
 projects.




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 On 29 September 2012 19:05, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
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 That's a good positive way to look at this.

 Exploring alternative sources of funding is always a good idea; and
 with the yearly fundraiser being so successful it always risk taking a
 backseat...

 The Foundation have got the annual event fairly well nailed - this
 could be an interesting way to explore other options.

 Tom

 On 29 September 2012 18:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ok, the decision has been made and Wikimedia UK will not be taking
 part in the annual fundraiser. It's ridiculous management speak, but 
 let's
 view this as an opportunity.

 Wikimedia UK now has a fundraiser on staff who will unexpectedly have
 a lot spare time. This is an excellent opportunity to start broadening 
 the
 charity's revenue sources. Perhaps Katherine can produce an options 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process

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Re Andrew's request for a clear statement setting out the reasons for the
change.

The difference between STV and a majoritarian system is that if you have a
community where factions have emerged then STV ensures that all significant
factions can see someone elected who they approve of. By contrast a
majoritarian system is by its nature winner takes all and you can have a
result where everyone associated with
a particular significant viewpoint is not elected. If you are confident
that you will be in the majority then it may seem logical to support a
majoritarian system. If you aren't sure if you'd be in the majority then it
makes sense to support a system such as STV. If you are somewhat irritated
by the bickering and want a representative board with the most sensible
people regardless of their stance on certain controversies then you
desperately need a system such as STV. If in a divided organisation a
narrow majority gets a clean sweep in the elections for the committee it is
very difficult if not impossible for the resulting committee to reunite the
organisation and defuse tensions.


WSC



On 29 September 2012 21:55, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On a different note...

 Regarding the switch from approval voting to STV (or whatever) what I
 think is missing the most is a clear statement setting out the reasons for
 the change (i.e. what's broken and how would this change fix it).

 I've also suggested a tweak to the EGM motion on the page (hope this is ok
 to do there)

 Lastly, we could do with pencilling in a date for the EGM - how about
 coinciding with the board meeting 9-10 February 2013 - and aim to do it by
 electronic voting as much as possible.

 Regards,

 Andrew

 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:26 PM, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.comwrote:

 OK, here's a very quick first draft of the motion and election rules for
 STV.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Debating issues

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I think it would be a mistake to start this on the UK Wiki. We have been
more focussed on GLAM than some parts of the world, but this is an issue
that people from across the movement are interested in. So if we start an
RFC it belongs on meta, rather than with one chapter or language. I'm
tempted to launch an RFC to codify and reaffirm the guidance that we got in
2010, my gut feel is that consensus would be more to remind ourselves of
that, and especially the need to focus on the items in the collection, not
on the institutions that hold them.

WSC

On 27 September 2012 20:38, Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Obviously be interested in this debate. I think another possibility is to
 use a UK wiki talk page as a basis for the talk. One problem is agenda as
 WSC notes its very easy to have 4 parallel threads which just prevent any
 resolution or understanding of more than one thread.

 I'd be up for Jon's beer idea too

 *Oh and REXX - Foundation trilogy was one of my favourites although
 Asimov's later extentions to link the story with his robot series was a bit
 forced. I'm just reading SNOW CRASH by Neal Stephenson. Great book. In his
 world the Library of Congress has joined with CIA records to be a kind of
 wiki source where people load up facts and gossip to share with the world.
 - Its an addictive read* - e.g. The main character is called Hiro
 Protaganist and he delivers Pizzas in a guarenteed 30 mins or you can shoot
 the delivery boy!




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 I've taken part in some of the IRC office hours. The format works OK if
 everyone is being positive and just wants to question one person.

 It isn't so good if either the subject is so complex as to spark debate
 in various directions or the subject matter is contentious and tempers get
 frayed.

 So in the circumstances I'd suggest either a Wiki RFC or an in person
 meeting

 WSC

 On 27 September 2012 15:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 People seem to want to meet face to face and exchange real words - can't
 imagine why? Perhaps the visit to the pub afterwards?


 On 27 September 2012 15:47, rexx r...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 Set up an UK office hours on IRC like the Foundation does. By the
 way, did you ever read Asimov's Foundation? They thought they were writing
 an encyclopedia as well.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%28novel%29#The_Encyclopedists

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 I have had two email conversations this morning about hot and often
 perennial issues around editing, ethics etc.  It strikes me that there is
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Paid editing by Roger Bamkin

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I don't have a problem with the UK chapter giving a few how to edit
leaflets out to someone who is encouraging people how to edit.

But I would appreciate a little clarification re QRpedia.  Can someone tell
me who owns the http://qrpedia.org domain name? If I'm correct in my
understanding of QR codes then all the QR codes that we are encouraging
people to use point to that domain and are currently repointed to Wikipedia
articles. So if we are going to promote QRpedia we need to know that the
domain is part of the movement.

WSC


On 17 September 2012 13:01, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 I assume that people are finding the details out online, and they're then
 assuming that we're the best people to contact (confusion between
 'Wikimedians from the UK' and 'Wikimedia UK'). As far as I know, no-one's
 been given our contact details in relation to the project, and the site at
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA/Achievements gives
 i...@gibraltarpedia.org as the press contact address.

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 Accidentally sent offlist...

 On 17 September 2012 12:33, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
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  Good morning Tom.
 
  Meeting minutes cannot offer a level of detail that will ever be
 sufficient
  by their very nature but in answer to your specific question:
  The board agreed that we would be happy to supply 'learn to edit'
 booklets
  and and some office support. In reality this means referring any
 callers on
  to Roger whether from the Media or just people interested in the
 project.
  I hope this helps,
 
  Thank you for clarifying that. Are people being intentionally given
  WMUK's contact details, or are people just finding them online and
  assuming that WMUK is the best place to contact regarding
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] [WMUK Board] Statement regarding Ashley Van Haeften, Chair of Wikimedia UK

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Fox are part of News International aren't they?

So a sister company to Page3.com is getting on a high horse re porn and
directing people to a homophobic website.

Not as bad as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hacking_scandal#Milly_Dowler.27s_voicemail

Or the coundown clock the Sun once had marking the days to a 16 year old
girl's birthday
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/interactive/2011/nov/28/charlotte-church-witness-statement-leveson-inquiry

But not impressive.

WSC

On 1 August 2012 18:11, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 Racist sexist, and homophobic is the least of it on Encyclopedia
 Dramatica. There's some very, very dodgy stuff on there. Very odd of Fox to
 be linking directly to a site that glorifies both rape *and* child abuse.

 I wonder if the Fox News editor clicked 'random article' on that site?

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 On 1 August 2012 17:42, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On 1 August 2012 16:29, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  (also: now on FOX -
 
 http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/01/50-shades-wikipedia-uk-head-banned-after-bondage-porn-ties/
 )
 
  Ah, now we find out the real advantage to having Stevie on board - he
  has to go through that article pointing out all the mistakes in it,
  not us! The link to Encyclopedia Dramatica is particularly good...
 

 Yes, always good to show maturity and dedication to the cause of
 protecting children from harmful material by linking to a website that
 routinely uses racist, sexist and homophobic descriptions...

 It's the old Daily Mail trick: this is awful and terrible and wrong,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Freepost Wikipedia

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There is bound to be a Postcode for that Freepost address, and if you write
to Wikimedia UK at that Postcode then I would be surprised if it was not
delivered.

WSC

On 26 July 2012 14:36, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Considering that most organisations simply have a Freepost address which
 is a jumble of random letters, we've come very far!

 On 26 July 2012 12:45, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 I love you guys, and I love this list :-)

 OK, so: it's Wikipedia with a P, because hardly anyone donates to
 anything except Wikipedia (although Commons gets about 3% of mentions in
 donors letters at a guess, and Wikinews/WikiSource maybe 1%), and the
 address is designed for non-Wikimedians who either want to learn, or want
 to donate. People writing to us will either know the difference between
 Wikimedia and Wikipedia (in which case they won't be confused), or they
 won't know the difference, in which case we should use the most well-known
 name.The name that sticks in their minds most is 'Wikipedia'!

 Having both is too expensive at the moment. It would cost an extra £200
 +VAT to have a second one set up, which seems silly when it's only one
 character different.

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 On 26 July 2012 12:30, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 *cue discussion on trademark we should identify ourselves to the public
 with*


 On 26 July 2012 12:26, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 That sounds very cool. Wikipedia with a p? Is that likely to reduce
 or increase confusion compared with having Wikimedia? Is having both
 too expensives? (I have no idea what the split between fixed and unit
 costs are for freepost accounts.)

 On 26 July 2012 11:53, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
  All,
 
  Just to let you know that you can now write FREEPOST WIKIPEDIA, in
  capitals, on an envelope, and pop it in the post - it'll come to the
 office.
  There's no need for a stamp.
 
  This is mainly designed to make it easier for donors to contact us,
 but it
  will work fine for volunteers, too, obviously - although the charity
 will be
  paying for postage on anything you send, so try and keep the weight
 down if
  you can :-)
 
  All the best,
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

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It is a deeply unfortunate situation. A few months ago if anyone had said
to me that Arbcom were capable of some of their recent behaviour then I
would have been inclined to defend Arbcom. But I now find myself almost
agreeing with David Gerard's assessment of them.

To my mind the worst thing about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Proposed_decisionwas
that Arbcom agreed that Fae had been harassed, but they banned him
anyway. In my view Arbcom has made the wrong decision, and they have
exposed the community to headlines along the lines of Wikipedia responds
to cyber-bullying by identifying and banning the victim.

I hope the UK chapter does not broaden the damage to the movement by
dumping Fae as Chair.

My suggestion would be that Fae use the available appeal processes, and
that hopefully Arbcom can be reformed or brought to its senses. In the mean
time I would suggest that anyone who calls for Fae to resign should first
read that Arbcom case very carefully.

WSC


On 26 July 2012 18:19, Martin Peeks martin...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Charles Matthews
 charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
  On 26 July 2012 17:33, Martin Peeks martin...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Charles Matthews
  charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
  Deryck Chan, who was at the relevant meeting (I believe), expressed a
  rather different view earlier in this thread. In brief, enWP is not
  the centre of the WMF universe.
 
 
  To those outside the movement, and probably most of those within, it
  is, isn't it?
 
 
  The English Wikipedia is indeed the flagship, still. I believe the
  Spanish Wikipedia gets the second-largest number of readers. But the
  figure for editors given at Wikimania was 80,000 across all projects,
  and the proportion of those active on the English Wikipedia in a
  significant way would be about 5%, I think. So in terms of the
  movement as a whole, enWP drama is not actually more than a cable
  channel?
 
  Charles

 Possibly worldwide, on aggregate, yes. Does the 80,000 represent
 active editors across all projects to the same standard of
 activity?

 However, more importantly for the broader issue (perhaps less so for
 the WCA side-line) is that for WMUK's intended (or actual/most
 relevant) audience - ie UK residents - enwp is by far and away the
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The situation with the chair

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On 26 July 2012 23:00, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 26 July 2012 20:01, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.comwrote:

 It is a deeply unfortunate situation. A few months ago if anyone had said
 to me that Arbcom were capable of some of their recent behaviour then I
 would have been inclined to defend Arbcom. But I now find myself almost
 agreeing with David Gerard's assessment of them.

 To my mind the worst thing about
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/F%C3%A6/Proposed_decisionwas
  that Arbcom agreed that Fae had been harassed, but they banned him
 anyway. In my view Arbcom has made the wrong decision, and they have
 exposed the community to headlines along the lines of Wikipedia responds
 to cyber-bullying by identifying and banning the victim.


 Nice headline. I think the premise of many Wikipedia behaviour policies is
 to keep order. Therefore, oftentimes in such inflamed situation the only
 correct thing to do is to ban *both* sides of the harassment, both the
 harasser and the harassed. Yes Fæ is the victim, but I believe arbcom made
 their ruling on the grounds that if Fæ sticks around too many people will
 continue to gang up on him and distract everyone else from the project.


That sort of rough justice might work in a pub, and you could be right in
your explanation of Arbcom's motives. But if so it is a crass way to run an
intellectual endeavour. It is also far more toxic to the project to block
the victim and thereby encourage the harassers than it would be to block
or Iban those who subsequently gang up on them.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Coffee Morning Saturday, was Re: Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 84, Issue 27

[WereSpielChequers]

Sorry, something has come up and I won't be able to join you this time.

But I would like to talk about some training I delivered - if Leutha joins
you he can tell you how the first session went. Any chance you can join us
at the next London meetup?

WSC



On 20 July 2012 17:32, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.comwrote:

 On 20 July 2012 17:08, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote:
  I'll be there, with laptop. Will have to leave fairly promptly at 1
 though.

 Excellent. Should be a quorum, which I'm saying is three, at least.

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[WereSpielChequers]

Excellent, and glad to see you might join us as well. :)

WSC

On 20 July 2012 18:51, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.comwrote:

 On 20 July 2012 18:36, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
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  Sorry, something has come up and I won't be able to join you this time.
 
  But I would like to talk about some training I delivered - if Leutha
 joins
  you he can tell you how the first session went. Any chance you can join
 us
  at the next London meetup?

 At least a chance. (I know I should put a smiley, but I don't do
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimediauk-l Digest, Vol 84, Issue 27

[WereSpielChequers]

I'm also potentially available then, though 10 AM in Cambridge is a
stretch.  Will there be a Skype chat?

WSC

On 18 July 2012 16:05, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote:

 I welcome this initiative and would be prepared to come up from London on
 the basis of my travel expenses being paid by Wikimedia UK.

 However, as two people have already said they are unavailable, I would
 like confirmation that the meeting will take place, preferably by Friday
 lunchtime.

 all the best

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  Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:09:08 +0100
  From: Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com
  To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge coffee morning this Saturday
 
  As previously mentioned to the list, I want to do some meetup-lite
  events connected with training; and the first will consist of my being
  at the CB2 cybercaff in Cambridge from 10 am to 1 pm this Saturday 21
  July. This is the same venue as the normal meetups but I'm relying on
  word-of-mouth this time - please pass on the news to anyone who might
  be interested in the area (WM training, distance education being the
  particular new focus).
 
  For those who are unfamiliar with CB2: it is at
  http://www.cb2bistro.com/  and on Google Maps
 
 
 http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=CB1%2B2LDll=52.204674,0.136503spn=0.011668,0.035836hl=en
 
  actually on the corner of East Road and Norfolk Street. Quite possible
  to walk from the rail station. I'll get a table _upstairs_ at 10 am.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Russian Wikipedia blackout.

[WereSpielChequers]

It is being discussed on the Wikimedia list, but what relevance is it to
Wikimedia UK?

WSC

On 10 July 2012 07:11, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:


 FYI


 http://boingboing.net/2012/07/**09/russian-wikipedia-blacks-**out-o.htmlhttp://boingboing.net/2012/07/09/russian-wikipedia-blacks-out-o.html

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Can I get wikimedia-uk to buy a ROV?

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I like the idea of a ROV or an underwater camera. Presumably the advantage
of an ROV is that it could go deeper? I've no idea about the relative costs
and capabilities of such devices, but I was wondering if it had such
technology available, would the charity be willing to lend it to underwater
Archaeologists on condition that they release the resulting images on
Commons?

I suspect there is a big potential opportunity here for the charity to
partner with Academia. Especially Biologists and Archaeologists.

As well as the underwater stuff where to be honest conditions are not
always ideal for photography, has the technology of micro blimps yet got to
the point where we could buy a machine that could fly inside large
buildings and take photos at otherwise impossible vantage points? If so we
should consider talking to English Heritage, the National Trust or the C of
E.

WSC



On 5 July 2012 13:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 5 July 2012 06:40, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  I still think it is logical to start with establishing a photography
  interest group

 It might be worth talking to Peter Weis in Haburg; he's involed in a
 similar project for WikimediaDE.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] CIPR story in the Indie

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On 28 June 2012 22:15, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:



 Anybody can edit Wikipedia that's the mantra!

 Gordo


 We have nearly 4 million articles on everything from Aardvaarks to
Zoroastrianism. PR people are welcome to edit almost any of them, just not
the ones that relate to their clients, themselves or their employer, or
compete with any of those or are fully protected. So yes PR people are
welcome and can edit Wikipedia, provided they come here as volunteers and
stay clear of articles where they have a COI.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] May be of interest

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Waithamai is a German editor who has been to a few of our events, Gustavf
is active on DE wiki. So I'd assume that this was a DE Wikipedia German
language meeting in London.

WSC

On 21 June 2012 10:21, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Saw reference to this in the WMDE annual report.

 Nice/schön

 Anyone know about it?

 First Meeting

 The first official Wikipedia: London meeting took place on 6 August 2011
 by 20 clock in the Old Ale Emporium (405 Green Lanes, London, N4 1EU;
 information) instead. Have participated Gustavf, Stefan and Waithamai. The
 three were in agreement that it was a successful meeting and could possibly
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia UK's coolest projects

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Becoming a registered charity is pretty cool (we were already a charity).
Have we had our first cheque back from the taxman of money reclaimed under
the terms of Gift Aid? If so that would be good to mention.

WSC

On 6 June 2012 21:49, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 6 June 2012 16:12, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
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  Short version: What are our three coolest projects between Wikimania 2011
  and Wikimania 2012?

 Monmouthpedia, of course but also, separately, the spread of QRpedia
 around the world.

 Becoming a charity for #3?

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] OpenDomesday links

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Fae,

Wouldn't it be more useful to categorise the categories rather than the
images? Most of the individual images will be far newer than Domesday,
especially those of trees and buildings. Plus the categories are rather
fewer in number.

WSC

On 16 May 2012 16:46, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andy's note encouraged me to send off a bot to populate
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Geograph_images_of_places_mentioned_in_the_Domesday_Book
 .

 The bot has only just started, it may take a while to finish! So don't
 go renaming the category or anything daft for at least a day, but just
 having this category might kick off some creative ideas.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Post AGM pub

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And for the grownups we have [[Real ale|proper beer]] as well.


WSC

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 We have Fosters in pubs here too John ;-)

 /obligatory winding up the Australians


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  Well as long as there's decent beer involved, I'm in.

 You'd have to come down under for that .. ;-)

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Role accounts

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I'm with Thomas Dalton on this. If we allow role accounts then sooner or
later we will get edit wars by two different people logged into the same
account, disputes about U1 an G7 deletions where one person used an account
to create something and another user of the same account then gets upset.
But most pertinently, when it comes to additional userrights and even
huggle whitelisting we are trusting the person who operates that account.
If they then give their password to someone else then we have an unknown
person with userrights that they have not earned.

WSC

On 29 April 2012 02:40, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 29 April 2012 02:32, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  Does that make sense though? With an account called Starwarrior, say,
  there is no way of knowing who made the edit either.

 Sure, you do. It's not the name on the person's birth certificate, but
 it's still a name. It tells you about as much as John Smith would.
 You can hold that account holder responsible for their actions. With a
 role account, they can just say it wasn't them.

 If you would like another reason then, from 25 May onwards, role
 accounts will violate the Terms of Use, section 5, Password
 Security:

 You are responsible for safeguarding your own password and should
 never disclose it to any third party.

 (
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en#5._Password_Security
 )

 You can't operate a role account without someone disclosing the
 password to a third party. (Well, I guess you could share the password
 to an email account and use the forgot your password link every time
 you wanted to log in, but you would still be violating the spirit of
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Objects of a charity.

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Not quite carte blanche. Surely such charitable purposes does limit them
to spending the money on things that would be deemed charitable in UK law.

WSC



On 29 April 2012 11:20, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:


 In the course of editing an article today, I came across these Objects.


 THE TRUSTEES SHALL HOLD THE TRUST FUND AND ITS INCOME UPON TRUST TO
 APPLY THEM FOR SUCH CHARITABLE PURPOSES AS THE TRUSTEES SHALL IN THEIR
 ABSOLUTE DISCRETION FROM TIME TO TIME THINK FIT.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Role accounts

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We shouldn't confuse two overlapping issues here, role accounts and
promotional usernames. Neither are allowed in Wikipedia, but the objections
are different.

As for the comparison between IP accounts and registered accounts, yes
there is an anomaly which would matter if the reason for not allowing role
accounts was concern over copyright. But the concerns over trust are
different and apply quite strongly. I'm pretty sure we don't whitelist IP
accounts for Huggle, we certainly don't give IP editors admin and other
additional userrights. The reason why we don't do that is that however good
the edits of the person or persons who have been editing from that IP the
future edits could come from someone altogether different.

I rather doubt that either Newpage patrol or recent changes patrol could
function without an effective whitelisting system of people who we've
learned make trustworthy edits. So the ban on role accounts is needed for
the smooth running of the project.

As for promotional usernames maybe even the softblock option is too harsh,
but there is a practical issue here, we are short of admins and blocking is
much quicker than having a quiet word. Perhaps what we need to do is
unbundle rename newbie to all admins, and give them the option of renaming
promotionally named accounts with fewer than 100 edits. I would hope that a
message such as Hi and welcome to Wikipedia! I think that Fred from
PimlicoMuseum might be a promotional username, so I've renamed your account
to Fred P if you are unhappy with your new name please file a request
here and we can change it again - though we don't want to change it to
anything that includes the name of an organisation.

WSC

On 29 April 2012 14:12, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 29 April 2012 02:32, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  Does that make sense though? With an account called Starwarrior, say,
  there is no way of knowing who made the edit either.

 Sure, you do. It's not the name on the person's birth certificate, but
 it's still a name. It tells you about as much as John Smith would.
 You can hold that account holder responsible for their actions. With a
 role account, they can just say it wasn't them.



 With respect, this doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Please consider:

 1. We allow IP editing. One IP may be shared by thousands of people. Any
 one of them can say it wasn't them. If we are so careless about one half
 of edits made to Wikipedia, does it make sense to be so stringent about the
 other half?

 2. Even where we have an account name like John Smith and know the
 account's IP address, it is not trivial to move from that knowledge to
 identifying the person – especially if the IP address is a proxy, a dynamic
 IP, or an Internet café in Calcutta. How does having an account name like
 John Smith help there?

 3. It's happened before that several people have shared an account. I can
 recall a desysop over account sharing. We have no control over that,
 regardless of what the account name is.

 Compared to that, identifying the person editing Wikipedia at Monmouth
 Museum is a cinch. Especially if User:MonmouthMuseumWales says on her user
 page, This account is operated by Roisin Curran, the Wikipedian in
 residence at Monmouth Museum.

 Surely, that would give us as much transparency as we could ever want? In
 fact, rather more transparency than we have for all our pseudonymous users?

 I am not saying we should allow role accounts. I am just not convinced by
 the arguments brought forward here.

 And I do think that the present admin practice of blocking role accounts
 on sight is unfriendly and should stop. I was instrumental in getting Xeno
 to change [[WP:UAAI]] in February 2011 to say that accounts using
 organisation names should *not* be blocked on sight if they edit
 productively, but that admins should *talk* to people first.

 So it's very disappointing to see that this still goes on, especially if
 the person at the receiving end is someone on a project like Monmouthpedia.
 Wikipedia is shooting itself in the foot.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Role accounts

[WereSpielChequers]

I wouldn't dispute that it is transparent, whether that is a positive or a
negative is another issue, transparency certainly works for some editors
and unlike promotional names transparency is allowed. Even required for
some sorts of COI editing. But as it includes the name of the organisation
it is also promotional.

If PR agency Acme PR were to start to employ a bunch of spin doctors with
usernames such as Millie C from Acme PR then it would be obviously
promotional. Especially if they were active on wiki arguing that their
clients criminal records should be expunged or at least given less coverage
than their charity work.

WSC




On 29 April 2012 14:50, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is a user name like MonmouthMuseumWales promotional?

 You could equally argue that it is transparent. And it is just this sort
 of transparency which we demand from the Bell Pottingers of this world (and
 crucify them for if we find them editing as John Smith, without telling
 us who they work for).

 I think a company name account should be fine, as long as the person gives
 their real name on their user page, and states that they are the only ones
 editing from that account. That is more accountability and transparency
 than we have for any pseudonymous account.

 Andreas


 On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:34 PM, WereSpielChequers 
 werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 We shouldn't confuse two overlapping issues here, role accounts and
 promotional usernames. Neither are allowed in Wikipedia, but the objections
 are different.

 As for the comparison between IP accounts and registered accounts, yes
 there is an anomaly which would matter if the reason for not allowing role
 accounts was concern over copyright. But the concerns over trust are
 different and apply quite strongly. I'm pretty sure we don't whitelist IP
 accounts for Huggle, we certainly don't give IP editors admin and other
 additional userrights. The reason why we don't do that is that however good
 the edits of the person or persons who have been editing from that IP the
 future edits could come from someone altogether different.

 I rather doubt that either Newpage patrol or recent changes patrol could
 function without an effective whitelisting system of people who we've
 learned make trustworthy edits. So the ban on role accounts is needed for
 the smooth running of the project.

 As for promotional usernames maybe even the softblock option is too
 harsh, but there is a practical issue here, we are short of admins and
 blocking is much quicker than having a quiet word. Perhaps what we need to
 do is unbundle rename newbie to all admins, and give them the option of
 renaming promotionally named accounts with fewer than 100 edits. I would
 hope that a message such as Hi and welcome to Wikipedia! I think that Fred
 from PimlicoMuseum might be a promotional username, so I've renamed your
 account to Fred P if you are unhappy with your new name please file a
 request here and we can change it again - though we don't want to change it
 to anything that includes the name of an organisation.

 WSC

 On 29 April 2012 14:12, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 On 29 April 2012 02:32, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
  Does that make sense though? With an account called Starwarrior,
 say,
  there is no way of knowing who made the edit either.

 Sure, you do. It's not the name on the person's birth certificate, but
 it's still a name. It tells you about as much as John Smith would.
 You can hold that account holder responsible for their actions. With a
 role account, they can just say it wasn't them.



 With respect, this doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Please consider:

 1. We allow IP editing. One IP may be shared by thousands of people. Any
 one of them can say it wasn't them. If we are so careless about one half
 of edits made to Wikipedia, does it make sense to be so stringent about the
 other half?

 2. Even where we have an account name like John Smith and know the
 account's IP address, it is not trivial to move from that knowledge to
 identifying the person – especially if the IP address is a proxy, a dynamic
 IP, or an Internet café in Calcutta. How does having an account name like
 John Smith help there?

 3. It's happened before that several people have shared an account. I
 can recall a desysop over account sharing. We have no control over that,
 regardless of what the account name is.

 Compared to that, identifying the person editing Wikipedia at Monmouth
 Museum is a cinch. Especially if User:MonmouthMuseumWales says on her user
 page, This account is operated by Roisin Curran, the Wikipedian in
 residence at Monmouth Museum.

 Surely, that would give us as much transparency as we could ever want?
 In fact, rather more transparency than we have for all our pseudonymous
 users?

 I am not saying we should allow role accounts. I am just not convinced

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Role accounts

[WereSpielChequers]

For me the difference that matters is that they are part of the movement,
WMF and WMUK in accounts denote staff editors. Communicating that is
something I see as internal communication. There are lots of ways in which
we allow internal communication to do things that we would not allow
external organisations to promote within the project.

As for whether being a charity makes a difference; Personally I'm more
likely to talk rather than block an editor who was from a not for profit.
But our policy doesn't discriminate between charities and other external
organisations.

WSC

On 29 April 2012 15:31, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 29 April 2012 15:23, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  If PR agency Acme PR were to start to employ a bunch of spin doctors with
  usernames such as Millie C from Acme PR then it would be obviously
  promotional. Especially if they were active on wiki arguing that their
  clients criminal records should be expunged or at least given less
 coverage
  than their charity work.

 How is that different to having (WMF) or (WMUK) after your
 username? There are several obvious differences (WMF/WMUK staff don't
 usually edit article content, they are affiliated with Wikipedia, they
 are non-profit, etc.), but I'm curious what, if any, difference you
 think makes one ok and the other not.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Role accounts

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I am not sure I agree that a name in itself is *unduly* promotional,
especially in a case like Monmouth Museum.

Well the community is pretty sure about that, if you want to change that I
suggest you start with an RFC. Personally I'm not annoyed by not for
profits using promotional names and happy not to start off with a block for
them. But considering how many times an active username can get plastered
over the internet it seems obvious to me that our policy is sound in
considering them promotional.

As it is, we have PR professionals calling themselves some fantasy name
making the same arguments, whether they are justified or not. I'd rather
know who they are, but YMMV.

Knowing who someone works for is not the same as knowing who they are.

It's a big fallacy to assume that by pushing things underground, they have
ceased to exist, and that appearances should be more important than
realities.

That's a very different subject. The choice is not between pushing things
underground and allowing promotional usernames. People can declare a COI
without revealing who they are or putting things in their username.
Declaring COIs  is a good use for userpages. Not least because userpages
can be updated as editors shift employment and their COIs change.

WSC

On 29 April 2012 18:43, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM, WereSpielChequers 
 werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wouldn't dispute that it is transparent, whether that is a positive or
 a negative is another issue, transparency certainly works for some editors
 and unlike promotional names transparency is allowed. Even required for
 some sorts of COI editing. But as it includes the name of the organisation
 it is also promotional.



 I am not sure I agree that a name in itself is *unduly* promotional,
 especially in a case like Monmouth Museum.



 If PR agency Acme PR were to start to employ a bunch of spin doctors with
 usernames such as Millie C from Acme PR then it would be obviously
 promotional. Especially if they were active on wiki arguing that their
 clients criminal records should be expunged or at least given less coverage
 than their charity work.



 As it is, we have PR professionals calling themselves some fantasy name
 making the same arguments, whether they are justified or not. I'd rather
 know who they are, but YMMV.

 It's a big fallacy to assume that by pushing things underground, they have
 ceased to exist, and that appearances should be more important than
 realities.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ob Comments about our Chief Exec

[WereSpielChequers]

For what its worth, I would prefer that WMUK matters are included to this
list rather than have a separate mailing list. In my view the amount of UK
specific Wikimedia Email has not yet got to the point where we need to
subdivide the list. I'm sure the tellers will only allow members of the
charity to vote at the AGM, and it is at that point that we really need to
differentiate between UK Wikimedians who are or are not members of WMUK.

WSC

On 22 April 2012 11:48, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:



 On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.comwrote:

 On 21/04/12 21:24, Thomas Morton wrote:


 The line at which the chapter ends and the community begins is very
 blurred



 Not in UK law. The Charity has members (and Trustees and staff). The
 membership have obligations in law. They are responsible, for example, for
 electing the Trustees and appointing the auditors, to name but two actions
 they perform.


 I don't think anyone is unclear of the legal position. However, the
 charity also has a duty to look beyond its membership to the Wikimedia
 community and indeed to the general public.

 As it happens, this list is one of our important (albeit limited) ways of
 reaching out to active Wikimedians in the UK, regardless of whether they
 are members of the charity or not.

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Candidates for 2012 AGM

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In age terms they are probably middling diverse - It would be interesting
to work out the exact diversity but I suspect that we have few adult
members who are more than a quarter of a century older or younger than the
trustee closest to their age. Some charities have trustees who are all
pensioners, one I know has many clients who are over thirty years younger
than its youngest trustee.

In terms of Geography they are pretty diverse for a UK board. I think we've
had a WMUK board with no-one from London or the SouthEast, this board has a
geographic spread such that a large majority of either UK members, editors
or potential editors are within an hours journey of at least one trustee.

In Wikimedia terms we could consider the diversity by Project or subject.
By project I think we have a predictable skew towards Wikipedia, and one
particular language version of Wikipedia. I'm not sure what the diversity
is by editing subject area, but I think that diversity there is important
for a WMUK board. Some gender diversity would also be nice, it must be
difficult for an all male board to give practical help in reducing our
gender imbalance.

WereSpielChequers

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 On 16 April 2012 12:23, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...
  It would have been difficult for it to deteriorate!

 Not entirely fair. The board does have a non-white and
 non-heterosexual trustee. :-)

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geograph

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Re Johnbod's comment about Catalot and uncategorised templates, there have
been big improvements to both Hotcat and Catalot this year and the
situation is somewhat improved. The problem now are the images that have
been bot categorised. But Catalot now removes the uncategorised template if
you use it from a Catalot grid ref category to copy otherwise uncategorised
images to another category.

As for finding and searching, sometimes the descriptions are fine,
sometimes you need local knowledge, and sometimes a bit of Googling and
looking the geograph images up on the map identifies the place - its a mix
and categorisation is helpful.

Re Andy's suggestion of creating Geograph categories for places, we could
just categorise the categories of the individual grid squares to the
relevant villages and towns. Of course some will match to multiple places.
But now that Catalot has been improved I'm not sure I see the benefit.

WSC

On 14 April 2012 14:44, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 A simple solution would be to create new categories, such as
 Geograph:West Sussex and Geograph:Barnes.

 Bots could then upload images to those, which could be subcategories
 of the respective parent categories, without clogging the latter, and
 images could be switched manually, as they're checked (simply by
 deleting the prefix were applicable).

 On 14 April 2012 14:30, John Byrne j...@bodkinprints.co.uk wrote:
  Yes, many of us are aware of the issues with Geograph, above all WSC.
 
  I agree the categorization side of it has been the real Achilles heel,
 and
  in my experience the problem is often worse than WSC suggests.  When I
  filled up the Commons category for Wimbledon Common,
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wimbledon_Common,  I found
 that a
  significant number of images were categorized in West Sussex categories
  (what, 80 miles away?) and several others as Barnes (only 5 miles out,
 but
  that's a lot in London).   But the good news was that I was able to find
  these images easily enough through the basic Commons search, as the
 original
  Geograph text info had enough detail.   I've had this sort of result
 doing
  other categories.
 
  I understand that because templates were mostly used to record images as
  uncategorized etc, and categorizing with cat-a-lot doesn't remove these,
 and
  they are a pain to remove when you're doing bulk, these tend not to get
  removed.  So a good number of the images categorized with uncategorized
 or
  category  query templates are actually ok, and we don't have any reliable
  numbers for what is still a problem.Many of the ones supposed to have
  problems don't, and many of the ones supposed to be ok aren't.
 
  If you want images for a place in the UK, you should always do a basic
  search as well as looking at the category.  But actually that's true of
 most
  things on Commons.
 
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Geograph

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Hi Richard,

I'm aware of the categorisation issue and have done a few thousand myself.

Yes there were problems with the earlier Geograph loads, the bot based
categorisation is inadequate and the process has been on hold for a year or
two. I'm not sure that the proportion with incorrect Geocodes was
particularly high, but sometimes the bot would allocate images that only
made sense when you spotted which village names didn't have categories in
the county where the images belonged

In the meantime the Geograph has changed their processes to allow higher
definition images.

I don't anticipate that this suggestion to offer a manual commons upload
for the Geograph users and the high def images they now load would be as
contentious as it would be to resume the bot based import.

WSC

On 13 April 2012 22:14, Richard Wendland rich...@wendland.org.uk wrote:

 Are folks aware of the difficulties there have been with the uploading
 of Geograph photos to the commons?  I would encourage serious study of
 the history of this effort, and the strong objections there have been,
 before going ahead with this.

 I've not been involved in the discussions, but my personal experience of
 the early Geograph uploads is that it effectively destroyed the reasonably
 good categorisation of user uploaded photos, by overwhelming existing
 categories with poorly categorised, and often poor quality photos,
 many of which are unlikely to be of use on any project using commons.

 I personally sorted out the categorisation of many hundred geograph
 photos dumped in the top level of my city's categorisation, which made
 it unusable for practical purposes.  It took many hours to sort this out,
 moving to the appropriate sub-category for a pile of mostly not very good
 photos, many really for not-so-nearby villages that should not have been
 dumped in the city category.

 This problem was addressed after a while by not automatically trying
 to categorise within the normal hierarchy, but creating an alternative
 Geograph grid-square hierarchy, that users are I believe supposed
 to manually recategorise, but I think little of that has been done.
 There are I think currently over 800,000 geograph photos, possibly well
 over a million, in the Geograph categories awaiting an initial ordinary
 category or category review:

 needing category review: 589387
 needing categories by date: 806653
 needing categories by grid square: 50,949 subcats, unknown number of photos

 Also most of the geolocation on Geograph photos is fairly inaccurate,
 which is easy to see of you fire up Google Earth with the WikiCommons
 layer enabled.  Before these arrived most of the photos near my city had
 accurate geolocation, but not any more because of the Geograph images.
 (Though this will improve with new photos as GPS enabled cameras become
 common.)

 I was pretty fed-up with it, though I did not enter the discussions on
 Commons about this, which lead to the upload effort being abandoned.

 Just because there are millions of licence compatible photos out there,
 I see no compelling reason to load them all into commons if that reduces
 the average quality and utility.  What I think we want is tools to very
 easily upload individual images/files when a commons user sees a good
 quality one on compatible sites that s/he wants to use.

 A more minor issue is that the Geograph upload project only uploaded
 640x480 versions into commons, when Geograph in many case has higher
 resolution originals.

 I haven't studied this issue in depth, and am only reporting my experience
 with the Geograph upload.  Here are some starting points for looking at
 the old discussions about this:


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Geograph#Indefinitely_on_hold


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Blocks_and_protections/Archive_7#GeographBot


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Geograph#Problem_with_geographic_categories


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive_29#User:BotMultichillT


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_the_Geograph_British_Isles_project_needing_category_review

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Geograph_Britain_and_Ireland

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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Sign up for our first World War I Editathon

[WereSpielChequers]

Chris, I would anticipate major international interest in this, will there
be opportunities for remote participation?

WSC

On 11 April 2012 19:33, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm really pleased to announce that our first World War I - themed
 Editathon will be held on June 16th.

 We're running this event in partnership with JISC, the UK Government's expert
 body on digital technologies for education and research. It will be a great
 opportunity to work closely with experts on military history from academia
 to improve Wikipedia articles on this really important topic, and I hope it
 will be a really successful start to Wikimedia UK's World War I Centenary
 outreach work.

 I'd encourage anyone with an interest in World War I and military history
 in general to sign up, and please spread the word to anyone you know who's
 interested in the subject!

 Find out more, and sign up, here:
 http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I/World_War_I_Editathon

 Many thanks,

 Chris
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[Wikimediauk-l] Geograph

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Hi, for those who don't know, the Geograph is a photography contest and
site that operates across the UK and Ireland and has a compatible license
to ours. So close to 1.8 million of their images have been imported into
Commons and are a major part of the reason why Commons has such good
coverage of English churches, fields and minor roads. But we stopped mass
importing their images some time ago due to  the difficulty of categorising
them, and there are now a million un copied images including all or almost
all their hi-definition ones.

The Geograph has just become a registered charity much like us. So I
thought I'd check out what their attitude was to our copying and using
their images.

It turns out that they aren't aware that the migration has stalled, as
their site still claims that all their images get migrated to Commons
http://www.geograph.org.uk/faq3.php?q=wikipedia

I think there is a big opportunity for the chapter here, perhaps we could
approach them and suggest changing their upload software to dual use? So
Geograph users have the option of posting their images directly on Commons
provided they add categories.

I suspect there would be some software implications, but if so it might be
a useful use of a UK grant.

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