Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 02/10/12 23:03, Andrew Turvey wrote: after all a constitution is not something that we should tinker with lightly, hence the requirement for it to pass with a 75% change. 75% of those present and voting (and those voting by proxy?)? Gordo ___

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 02/10/12 14:51, Michael Peel wrote: On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:33, Gordon Jolygordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 02/10/12 14:21, Jon Davies wrote: Ask Mike Peel about a special project grant. OK. Mike, what say you? Sounds good, but please can you ask me via a microgrant application, with a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm sure I'll throw in my expertise! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Oct 3, 2012 7:43 AM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 02/10/12 14:51, Michael Peel wrote: On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:33, Gordon Jolygordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 02/10/12 14:21, Jon Davies wrote: Ask Mike Peel

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Turvey
I though this was a largely accurate article without any major errors. Far better than most media articles! On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: The DT are reporting that Wikimedia UK has been barred from processing donations:

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread fabian
Hi, There are a variety of ways this can be organised. I have been involved in one initiative in the area of Law Centres. You can have simple subsidiaries, or the one we set up in Tower Hamlets is a co-operative, combining aspects of a consumer co-op and a workers co-op. We would need to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
The idea of setting up some kind of social enterprise is a very interesting one. One other service it could sell, somewhat more controversially, is advice on dealing with problems with Wikipedia articles. I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't really work and people need more

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 11:15, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: I though this was a largely accurate article without any major errors. Far better than most media articles! The main body of the article is very good. The summary at the top is simplified to the point of being

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Michael Peel
On 3 Oct 2012, at 12:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 October 2012 11:15, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: I though this was a largely accurate article without any major errors. Far better than most media articles! The main body of the article is very

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Hasina Khatun
Hi, I was just wondering if I need to wait for this budget before I go ahead and make the booking at the Penderel's Oak and order a cake. Hasina On 3 October 2012 10:52, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: I'm sure I'll throw in my expertise! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia

[Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
(starting a new topic as this is a little wider than the original thread, hope that is OK) I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't really work and people need more support than just an email address they can send things to and get back a lecture on Wikipedia policy and

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
It would be... tricky to get the idea past the community on Wikipedia, though, would it not? I know a good few administrators who delete any paid articles on sight. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
I am particularly interested in developing a service to deliver training in use of Mediawiki technology with reference to specific platforms - i.e.Wikipedia and its sister sites, but also other projects such as This is a really good idea! It neatly applies our specific domain knowledge, but

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
Yes, I think so: it needs to be approved by the board before we're allowed to spend it :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:32, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It would be... tricky to get the idea past the community on Wikipedia, though, would it not? I know a good few administrators who delete any paid articles on sight. I should have been clearer - I'm talking about

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I have started a grant application at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Microgrants/Birthday - please fill in various sections when you have time! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:26, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: (starting a new topic as this is a little wider than the original thread, hope that is OK) I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't really work and people need more support than just an email

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:25, Hasina Khatun hasina.kha...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi, I was just wondering if I need to wait for this budget before I go ahead and make the booking at the Penderel's Oak and order a cake. If we're going with Penderal's Oak, then I don't think there is a charge for

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:16, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Of course, that still wouldn't be right - 'through banners on Wikipedia' would be more accurate. Getting media coverage 100% accurate is difficult (if only they used wikis…) - sometimes inaccuracies just have to be

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
On 3 October 2012 12:51, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 October 2012 12:26, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: (starting a new topic as this is a little wider than the original thread, hope that is OK) I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
This is the sort of discussion that should be had on-wiki, just to arrive at some clarity about the fundamental issues. I have raised the topic on Jimbo's talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Replacing_OTRS_with_a_commercial_consultancy_service Andreas On Wed, Oct 3,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Turvey
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Essentially this would require the Board making a decision that it was interested in looking into the idea and setting up a steering committee to take the matter forward. This could be done with a limited amount of officer time.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
Again though - and I don't want to shoot the idea down (please don't think I am!) - is this not what Roger did in Gibraltar? One would need to be very careful about what sort of training one provided - what happens if the consultancy trained people from, for example, UBS, to edit - and then UBS

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Gray
On 3 October 2012 13:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: This is the sort of discussion that should be had on-wiki, just to arrive at some clarity about the fundamental issues. I have raised the topic on Jimbo's talk page.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
This is the overriding issue. It is what Roger is doing in Gibraltar - but the issue there more revolves around a) he being a board member and the resulting poor handling the COI (i.e. didn't resign once he had a commercial business in the same scope) and b) the way in which Gibraltapedia

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
Indeed it would. I hope I was clear in defending OTRS as the best way to resolve issues that we currently have, although it needs work! Tom On 3 October 2012 13:32, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 3 October 2012 13:20, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: This is the sort

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I've left a comment on Jimbo's talk page, as I think Andreas' comment there doesn't reflect what we're discussing on the list. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9581813/Wikipedia-charity-faces-investigation-over-trustee-conflict-of-interest.html Bit long? bit.ly has three saves already! Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org

[Wikimediauk-l] Dunhuang Project - Silk Road editing week

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi all, I'm currently working on fixing up some of the details for an event we have running later in October with the International Dunhuang Project, an international group working with a large collection of manuscripts and artefacts from the eastern end of the Silk Road. http://idp.bl.uk/

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Dunhuang Project - Silk Road editing week

2012-10-03 Thread Doug Weller
Minor request, can someone work on the Silk Road article itself where there's been a mess/conflict over the marine aspects of the Silk Road? I was partially to blame for it but never was able to fix it. Thanks Doug On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Hi

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/10/12 12:54, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 3 October 2012 12:25, Hasina Khatun hasina.kha...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi, I was just wondering if I need to wait for this budget before I go ahead and make the booking at the Penderel's Oak and order a cake. If we're going with Penderal's Oak,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/10/12 11:53, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: I am particularly interested in developing a service to deliver training in use of Mediawiki technology with reference to specific platforms - i.e.Wikipedia and its sister sites, but also other projects such as Wikivet:

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
They should have the mop removed. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Oct 3, 2012 12:32 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It would be... tricky to get the idea past the community on Wikipedia, though, would it not? I know a good few