Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating the RELEASE-NOTES format for 1.22 and 1.23

2013-11-08 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 08/11/13 04:21, Mark A. Hershberger a écrit : The main thing I've done is a bit of reordering and collection: * New features * Breaking changes (collected in a single section) * Configuration changes * Bug fixes * API changes * Language updates * Misc changes I would put the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Optimizing the deployment train schedule

2013-11-08 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 07/11/13 18:27, C. Scott Ananian a écrit : It seems to me that having a gerrit (or other) page somewhere which lists exactly what is currently deployed where (and when the next scheduled deploy is) is a prerequisite for all of the more aggressive let's mix up the set of wikis in early

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread John Erling Blad
That is a statement, not an explanation. John On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: From personal experience don't touch cache manifests with a barge pole... Bear in mind the majority of browsers provide at least 5mb of local storage and we are talking about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread John Erling Blad
That is a statement, not an explanation. Please provide a valid explanation why you want to do this. John On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: Cache manifests are extremely inflexible. The HTTP caching we already have is more flexible than cache

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Friesen
I'm not interested in writing an entire explanation for you on how cache manifests work and their faults when you could simply do a web search for one of the many existing tutorials. The issues with using cache manifests to try and do this should be perfectly understandable once someone

[Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Petr Bena
Hi, would anyone experienced (like hashar) be interested in setup of jekins on wikimedia labs so that we can get a unit test environment available to all devs for any projects, written in languages like: * C * C++ * Python * PHP + other frequently used languages I think it would be useful for

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Petr Bena
I noticed there is integration project, but what its status is, I don't know On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, would anyone experienced (like hashar) be interested in setup of jekins on wikimedia labs so that we can get a unit test environment available

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architecture Summit: participants confirmed

2013-11-08 Thread Alex Monk
Hi, I am a volunteer contributor requiring sponsorship, but I don't appear to have received an email regarding it... Please could you look into this? Thanks Alex Monk On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi,

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Jeroen De Dauw
Hey, What about using TravisCI or any of the many alternatives? I'm not sure what the benefit would be of setting up and maintaining something like that yourself. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. ~=[,,_,,]:3 --

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Petr Bena
TBH I have no idea which sw for this is best, whatever that is working I am fine with... I thought people are using jenkins for MW, so there are likely more people who have experience witht hat On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, What about using

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 08/11/13 10:33, Daniel Friesen a écrit : I'm not interested in writing an entire explanation for you on how cache manifests work and their faults when you could simply do a web search for one of the many existing tutorials. If you could explain to the newbie there like me what a cache

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: So what is a cache manifest? :D tl;dr - Cache manifests are made for offline web apps, and Wikipedia is not an offline web app. Cache manifests are a new HTML5 feature that is specifically made for single page (or, at the

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 08/11/13 11:24, Petr Bena a écrit : I noticed there is integration project, but what its status is, I don't know That is a play ground area. Merely intended to test out new features for later inclusion in production. -- Antoine hashar Musso

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 08/11/13 11:21, Petr Bena a écrit : would anyone experienced (like hashar) be interested in setup of jekins on wikimedia labs so that we can get a unit test environment available to all devs for any projects, written in languages like: * C * C++ * Python * PHP If the project is hosted

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 08:28 -0800, Quim Gil wrote: In order to get somewhere with this discussion, it would be useful to know the current practice of other free software projects, using Bugzilla or not. As a newcomer, can I assign bugs to myself in GNOME, KDE, Ubuntu, Debian... etc? In case

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Luis Villa
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 08:28 -0800, Quim Gil wrote: In order to get somewhere with this discussion, it would be useful to know the current practice of other free software projects, using Bugzilla or not. As a

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Again, as far as I'm concerned, we're solving a non-problem. Yes, in theory it would be nice if everyone easily got all permissions to everything. But bugzilla is not set up with the antivandal features needed to make that work. Instead, we should aim to make it possible for newcomers to easily

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Petr Bena
Yes, I made a simple unit test suite for huggle, which uses internal QT unit test system, basically what I need to do is * periodically pull the latest version of source code from master branch * build the test suite (if build is failed submit this information) * execute test suite (qt unit test

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Petr Bena
to explain how QT unit testing works a bit more, it's basically another QT project that includes the source code from master branch and produces a binary file (called tst_testmain) which can be executed with various parameters and executes the unit tests defined in its source code, for example:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural leadership in Wikimedia's technical community

2013-11-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: What might have some degree of traction, based on the discussion, is to have some blessed delegation coming from the original triumvirate of architects. +1 I'd personally like to see this kept flexible, so that it's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread Jon Robson
.. 3) it is a nightmare http://alistapart.com/article/application-cache-is-a-douchebag is a good read to anyone who is curious to the why. On 8 Nov 2013 07:06, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Antoine Musso hashar+...@free.fr wrote: So what is a cache

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural leadership in Wikimedia's technical community

2013-11-08 Thread Bryan Davis
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2) We don't award Architect as a job title beyond the original triumvirate, but we _do_ introduce a Senior Software Engineer II (same band as the Architect band), and would define some criteria for that, among which proven

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: .. 3) it is a nightmare http://alistapart.com/article/application-cache-is-a-douchebag is a good read to anyone who is curious to the why. I wouldn't go so far to say it is a nightmare. The article you linked blows things

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

2013-11-08 Thread C. Scott Ananian
I've used cache manifests for offline applications. It works reasonably well in that situation. So I wouldn't dismiss it entirely for all purposes. But it's not the right solution here. --scott ​ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural leadership in Wikimedia's technical community

2013-11-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Bryan Davis bd...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think that picking the title Senior Software Engineer II may be underselling the value of this highest tier to the outside world. In my recent job search I saw a bit of the tech ladder side of the org chart for several

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architecture Summit: participants confirmed

2013-11-08 Thread Quim Gil
On 11/08/2013 03:55 AM, Alex Monk wrote: Hi, I am a volunteer contributor requiring sponsorship, but I don't appear to have received an email regarding it... Please could you look into this? Sorry, this is only a consequence of an extremely busy week. We hope to send the email with details to

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [outages] Wikipedia down?

2013-11-08 Thread George Herbert
There was a report of external issues reaching en.wikipedia.org - nginx timeouts - about 1 hour ago, also reported resolved. Forwarding in from outages-l as I haven't seen any internal discussion... -george -- Forwarded message -- From: Marco Davids (SIDN) marco.dav...@sidn.nl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [outages] Wikipedia down?

2013-11-08 Thread Chad
Yes, there was downtime. Things should be back up now. -Chad On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:43 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: There was a report of external issues reaching en.wikipedia.org - nginx timeouts - about 1 hour ago, also reported resolved. Forwarding in from

Re: [Wikitech-l] Memento Extension for MediaWiki: Advice on Further Development

2013-11-08 Thread Shawn Jones
This worked beautifully. Thanks Daniel Friesen, --Shawn From: wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] on behalf of Daniel Friesen [dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2013 7:08 PM To:

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread Gryllida
On Fri, 8 Nov 2013, at 20:51, Petr Bena wrote: Hi, would anyone experienced (like hashar) be interested in setup of jekins on wikimedia labs so that we can get a unit test environment available to all devs for any projects, written in languages like: * C * C++ * Python * PHP +

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:06 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I'm a little puzzled here: this whole discussion is because new owners want to have the bug actually assigned to them, instead of just commenting, I'm working on this in the bug? Let's look at the github model --

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Chad
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:06 AM, C. Scott Ananian canan...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm a little puzzled here: this whole discussion is because new owners want to have the bug actually assigned to them, instead of

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Not all teams have drank the Mingle Kool-Aid yet ;-) That includes mine. :) Chad: does Platform really depend on bug assignment? Maybe Dan Garry could chime in here as well. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Chad
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Not all teams have drank the Mingle Kool-Aid yet ;-) That includes mine. :) Chad: does Platform really depend on bug assignment? Maybe Dan

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Chad
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Not all teams have drank the Mingle Kool-Aid yet ;-) That includes

[Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of November 11th

2013-11-08 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello there, Here's what's coming up in the world of Wikimedia project deployments. As always, the full known schedule is available on Wikitech: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments Next week: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments#Week_of_November_11 == Throughout the week

Re: [Wikitech-l] New project on labs for unit tests

2013-11-08 Thread addshorewiki
Petr I'll try to setup Travis tests to run on every github commit on Monday. :) That seems like the best solution as the repo is on github! Also this way you'll be able to see the status of the tests for all branches and pull requests etc :-) Addshore On 8 Nov 2013 17:22, Petr Bena

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of November 11th

2013-11-08 Thread Greg Grossmeier
I forgot one important note about next Thursday's MediaWiki deploy. It'll include: * MassMessage [6] rollout to all wikis Happy days of no longer using a bot for sending newsletters! [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MassMessage Greg quote name=Greg Grossmeier date=2013-11-08

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Not all teams have drank the Mingle Kool-Aid yet ;-) That includes mine. :) Chad: does Platform really depend on bug assignment? Yes. Rob

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 11/08/2013 11:09 PM, Steven Walling wrote: I would be okay just turning off assignment. I don't support turning off assignment. A large number of MediaWiki projects use only Bugzilla (which is also the only open source tracker the WMF uses). Even for stuff WMF engineers work on, there

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

2013-11-08 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 11/06/2013 04:54 PM, Chad wrote: How about we make editbugs self-granting? That is, if you've got editbugs you can give it to others (like we did with Coder a few years ago). It works pretty well, scales infinitely, and tends to protect itself against abuse. I agree with the others that the