Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Sam Wilson
I think the point about 'ownership' of extension repos is an interesting one: certainly Wikimedia-hosted projects do differ from other popular FOSS projects in that there's far more collaboration on e.g. extensions than is perhaps common elsewhere. For example, if you have a WordPress or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
To directly answer the question in the subject: of course Yaron's extensions should stay in gerrit.wikimedia.org, without the file in question. We want MediaWiki's main development spaces to be inclusive and able to bring developers together. I think we all agree that it's a loss if more

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Nischay Nahata
I think that advertising the COC might still have been in "good faith", though it should have been done with a mail to the project owners. But what I find very objecting is the way the two developers have communicated on the gerrit thread. Both Antoine and Chad (both senior devs that we used to

[Wikitech-l] Clarification Re: [nominations needed] Wikimedia Technical Conference

2018-06-07 Thread Greg Grossmeier
Hello, The Wikimedia Technical Conference Program Committee wanted to send a clarifying note regarding the nomination process. Initially we said that relevant budget owners will be invited directly by us and thus *do not need to be explicitly nominated*. This is still half true. We will be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread MZMcBride
Yaron Koren wrote: >That's how it went until two days ago, when Antoine Musso submitted a >patch for my Site Settings extension (I don't know why that one >specifically), re-adding the file. I rejected the patch, on the same >grounds as before, but another developer, Chad Horohoe, overrode me and

[Wikitech-l] TechCom Radar 2018-06-06

2018-06-07 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi All, Here are the minutes from this week's TechCom meeting: * Call for nominations to join TechCom is ongoing (closes 18 June) * Held public IRC discussion on the future of rev_parent_id:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread John
*It's a reasonable ask to have the file there *Correct, its reasonable to ask. Forcing it down peoples throats and cluttering 830+ repos with the same file is not. Why not have it in the primary mediawiki directory and note that it covers all sub-projects? Threatening users and telling users that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Ryan Lane
The most likely way for people to see codes of conduct is through repositories, which lets them know they have some way to combat harassment in the tool they're using to try to contribute to a particular repository. It makes sense to have a CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md in the repos; however, if all the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread John
Honestly I find forcing documentation into repos to be abrasive, and overstepping the bounds of the CoC.I also find the behavior of those pushing such an approach to be hostile and overly aggressive. Why do you need to force a copy of the CoC into every repo? Why not keep it in a central location?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Yaron Koren
Chris Koerner wrote: > “Please just assume for the sake of this discussion that (a) I'm willing > to abide by the rules of the Code of Conduct, and (b) I don't want the > CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md file in my extensions.” > Ok, hear me out here. What if I told you those two things are > incompatible?

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Brian Wolff
I for one think that requiring a specific filesystem structure or notice in a git repo is quite far afield from the sorts of things that CoC is designed to deal with. -- Brian On Thursday, June 7, 2018, Chris Koerner wrote: > “Please just assume for the sake of this discussion that (a) I'm

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Chris Koerner
“Please just assume for the sake of this discussion that (a) I'm willing to abide by the rules of the Code of Conduct, and (b) I don't want the CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md file in my extensions.” Ok, hear me out here. What if I told you those two things are incompatible? That abiding by the community

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi, Thanks for the responses so far. Max Semenik wrote: > However, users who disagree with the rules of using our resources shouldn't be using them. I actually agree with this. However, I'm not aware that needing to have a CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md file is a "rule" - it was never voted on, never

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Chris Koerner
Yaron, I read over the conversation and would like to posit the question in a different way. > Some corporate person, for example, downloading my software, could see that > file and think > that they're bound by the Code of Conduct when sending me a patch, when in > fact (for better or worse)

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Max Semenik
My personal opinion is twofold: * The file shouldn't be mandatory because all policies should (and do) apply automatically, there should be no magic spell to enable them on a case by case basis. CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md is mostly a GitHub convention that allows that site to indicate CoC terms in its

[Wikitech-l] Can/should my extensions be deleted from the Wikimedia Git repository?

2018-06-07 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi, CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md is a file that was added to most MediaWiki extensions almost exactly a year ago. It reads, in full: "The development of this software is covered by a [Code of Conduct]( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct)." This file was added on the grounds that "Now that we