Re: [Wikitech-l] Replacement for tagging in Gerrit

2013-03-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Guillaume, Good point. Comments below... On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Short version: This mail is fishing for feedback on proposed work on Gerrit-Bugzilla

Re: [Wikitech-l] Replacement for tagging in Gerrit

2013-03-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:14 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: 4) A Gerrit-based tagging plugin would need some engineering that might not be apparent at first blush, for example: who can set tags and remove

[Wikitech-l] Replacement for tagging in Gerrit

2013-03-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, Short version: This mail is fishing for feedback on proposed work on Gerrit-Bugzilla integration to replace code review tags. Long version: One feature of our old code review system that was a tagging system that made it quick and easy to assign a keyword to a revision at any time.

[Wikitech-l] JobQueue changes (Re: Some Sort of Notice for Breaking Changes)

2013-03-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any way that extension developers can get some sort of notice for breaking changes, e.g., https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/50138? Luckily my extension's JobQueue implementation hasn't been merged yet, but if it had I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Using test doubles to test code with external dependencies

2013-03-06 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: A short while ago I wrote a set of three PHP unit tests for Math that use test doubles to stub out external dependencies (in this case, the database-backed cache and the texvc executable). My intent was to demonstrate the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Caching Discussion: Dealing with old (deleted) wmf branches

2013-02-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the obvious thing to do and imho what we should do, like, *right now* is extend the lifetime of the old branch to the timeout of the cache. Simply not deleting a directory is very, very easy. As far as I'm concerned

Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for accepting backported patch sets for maintained versions?

2013-02-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 02/21/2013 04:13 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) wrote: B. Who is MediaWiki's release manager, and what can we expect of the person who has that role? [..] Absent an explicit statement from anyone inside Foundation,

[Wikitech-l] Welcome Greg Grossmeier, Release Manager

2013-02-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm excited to welcome Greg Grossmeier as our new Release Manager at the Wikimedia Foundation. Greg comes to us from Creative Commons, where he served as Education Technology and Policy Coordinator, as well as serving as an interim leader for their engineering group. Prior to

[Wikitech-l] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We're planning to deploy Lua to a long list of wikis on Monday, February 18, 23:00-01:00 UTC (stretching into Tuesday UTC), including English Wikipedia. Details here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Lua Jan Kučera (User:Kozuch) has placed notifications on many of the wikis. Those

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikitech-ambassadors] Lua rollout to en.wikipedia.org and a few others

2013-02-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Steven, Thanks for the encouragement! Comments inline: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: I didn't see it in the docs above, so thought I'd ask... Is this going to include rollout of the CodeEditor extension, or will that be done separately?

[Wikitech-l] Belated welcome to Christian Aistleitner

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'd like to give an extremely belated welcome to Christian Aistleitner. Christian is working as a contractor for Wikimedia Foundation specializing in Gerrit work, who started working with us in mid-January. Christian was very helpful in getting the Gerrit 2.6pre upgrade to happen,

[Wikitech-l] 1.21wmf9 deployment blocker: bug 44748 (editing broken ku.wiktionary and sr.wikinews)

2013-02-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, We had to revert 1.21wmf9 on a few wikis due to bug 44748. Bug report: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/44748 The problem is that, when 1.21wmf9 is enabled, editing is completely broken on ku.wiktionary and sr.wikinews, among others. Below is the stack trace. Any ideas? Rob

[Wikitech-l] Scap says I'm not dead yet

2013-01-16 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We attempted to deploy 1.21wmf8 using git-deploy[1], and ran into enough problems that we decided the best course of action is to use scap[2] today and for the foreseeable future. The new plan is to implement scap/sync-file/sync-dir for Eqiad as a temporary solution for next week

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Munagala Ramanath (Ram)

2013-01-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I’m delighted to introduce Munagala Ramanath (a.k.a. “Ram”), who started yesterday as a Senior Software Engineer in our Platform Engineering group (MediaWiki Core, specifically). He comes to us most recently from a small company called Oblong Industries, where he was responsible for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deployment freeze during Eqiad migration week (and deployments next week)

2013-01-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Arthur, Sorry for the delayed reply. Comments below: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am scheduled to do a deployment (to all wikis) for MobileFrontend this Thursday afternoon: * I presume scap/sync-blah will still work for 1.21wmf7 - can

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Deployment freeze during Eqiad migration week (and deployments next week)

2013-01-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, As you probably read from CT's email last week about the Eqiad migration (you read that, right? No? Go read it. I'll wait) Ok, done now? So, as you know (now), we plan to suspend all scheduled deployments next week during the data center migration (January 21-25). We'd like to

[Wikitech-l] Open Tech Chat this week: git-deploy!

2013-01-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, This week's open tech chat is going to be very tied to current events, where the current event is the data center migration, and specifically, our move to git-deploy[1] as a replacement for the venerable scap[2] for deployments in the new (and old) datacenters. This talk will be

[Wikitech-l] Wikidata change propogation

2013-01-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, One item that comes up pretty frequently in our regular conversations with the Wikidata folks is the question of how change propagation should work. This email is largely directed at the relevant folks in WMF's Ops and Platform Eng groups (and obviously, also the Wikidata team), but

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata change propogation

2013-01-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: The thing that isn't covered here is how it works today, which I'll try to quickly sum up. Basically, it's a single cron job, running on hume[1]. So, that means that when a change is made on wikidata.org, one has to wait

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captchas switched back to NFS storage

2012-12-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
Thanks for the emergency fix! We'll take a closer look at a permafix when we've got more people around. Rob ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Deploying to test2 before other wikis

2012-12-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, My understanding is that some new extensions intended for widespread deployment aren't getting deployed to test2.wikipedia.org before going to other production wikis. As I was discussing this with Chris McMahon, he pointed out that there's no stated policy that this should be done.

[Wikitech-l] (Roughly) 2 week delay for MediaWiki 1.21wmf7

2012-12-17 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Because a number of people are planning to take time off for the holidays, I'd like to postpone the regular release cycle for 2 weeks, with 1.21wmf7 being a slightly longer window than normal, and 1.21wmf8 stretched out a little bit as well to accommodate MLK day (January 21).

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla: Waiting for merge status when patch is in Gerrit?

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
My 2cif we add a new status, it should equate to deployed on the cluster, along with judicious use of milestone so that people who are just interested in the tarball can infer from our numbering what the corresponding release will be. The more statuses (statii?) we add, the less likely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video on mobile: Firefox works, way is paved for more browser support

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:35 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Original thread from March starts here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/59684 As I noted back then, this is a drastic policy change that needs a lot wider discussion, including on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video on mobile: Firefox works, way is paved for more browser support

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 12/11/2012 03:02 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: However, every other mobile browser I've tested doesn't support Ogg Theora or WebM formats. Mobile Safari, Chrome, the old stock Android browser, Opera Mobile, and the

[Wikitech-l] Open Tech Talk next Thursday, December 13

2012-12-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We're planning to have another of our weekly tech talks next Thursday, December 13. Timing and participation details are here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-12-13 Our one confirmed topic for next week is an update on browser test automation. Chris McMahon and Željko

Re: [Wikitech-l] LabeledSectionTransclusion performance problems

2012-12-03 Thread Rob Lanphier
feedback, Merlijn won't be able to fix this, so we should plan on reverting on Thursday or so if this thread goes stale. Rob -- Forwarded message -- From: Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] LabeledSectionTransclusion performance

Re: [Wikitech-l] LabeledSectionTransclusion performance problems

2012-11-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Merlijn van Deen valhall...@arctus.nl wrote: After the new version of LabeledSectionTransclusion (LST) was deployed on itwikisource, performance issues popped up. itwikisource's

Re: [Wikitech-l] Priorities in Bugzilla

2012-11-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: Right now I'd like to introduce a clear way to mark issues that should be handled immediately. This. Also On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:56 AM, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative way of looking at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Standardizing highest priority in Bugzilla

2012-11-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm not suggesting we necessarily go with these definitions, but rather offering these as an example of potential meanings for the different priorities. To me this is a much more useful approach than trying to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Standardizing highest priority in Bugzilla

2012-11-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:54 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: For what it's worth (and not to ruin the silence is consensus model), the proposed priority scheme sounds fine to me. Traditionally these fields have been mostly ignored by just about everyone (developers included). High

[Wikitech-l] Open Tech Chat for Thursday, November 15

2012-11-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Time once again for our weekly tech chat. Rather, Thursday is the time, because this week, I'm giving you *two whole days*[1] instead of the whopping hour notice that I gave you all last week. Full details here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-11-15 For those too lazy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preparing concise, readable release notes for 1.21

2012-11-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, by reading https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.20 one would think that nobody has been done in 1.20, except perhaps some localisation work. :p One thing that we might want to take note of is new

[Wikitech-l] Open Tech Chat in an hour - Thursday, November 8 at 12:30pm PST (20:30 UTC)

2012-11-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone! I'm really sorry for the late notice on this. I could have sworn I sent this on Thursday. We would like to once again have our Open Tech Chat this Thursday, November 8 at 12:30pm PST (20:30 UTC). This week, we have a guest: Nils Adermann, development lead for phpBB and a primary

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.20 release ready?

2012-10-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: Unless something comes up, I don't see a reason why the RC2 release shouldn't be the 1.20 release. One bug that was fixed since the RC2 release is Bug 40641 - Links to COPYING and CREDITS on Special:Version should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switching to Timed Media Handler on EnWiki (was: Commons)

2012-10-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Ok, so after this, and a couple of brief offlist discussions, we've made a slight change to the plan [to deploy TimedMediaHandler]: Here's what we'll do: 1) Wednesday, October 31: Deploy to en.wikipedia.org first

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Brad Jorsch!

2012-10-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm delighted to announce that Brad Jorsch starts at the Wikimedia Foundation today as a Software Engineer in Platform Engineering, working in the MediaWiki Core group. You might already know Brad as Anomie, the username by which he's contributed to Wikimedia sites for many years.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switching to Timed Media Handler on EnWiki (was: Commons)

2012-10-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jan Gerber jger...@wikimedia.org wrote: I know we conducted tests for TMH “playing” well with oggHandler provider ( i.e the test2.wikipedia.org pages are embedding commons videos but played back with TMH ) ... I am not sure if we have conducted tests for

[Wikitech-l] Switching to Timed Media Handler on Commons

2012-10-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, This is a fairly long email describing where we're at with Timed Media Handler, and what we plan for this week. The short version is: * We'll be deploying a few fixes tomorrow (Monday) * If all goes well, we'd like to deploy Timed Media Handler to Commons on Wednesday (9am PDT) *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Composer use in MediaWiki

2012-10-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I saw (via Siebrand) this tweet Tuesday from Nils Adermann of Composer fame: Fusing #PHP communities: Promising discussions on code reuse in #MediaWiki through #composerphp this afternoon at @wikimedia, thanks

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.20 blocker bugs and code merges

2012-10-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Mark, Comments inline: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: At this point, I think we should add a known issues section to the release notes and plan to have a 1.20.1 release with this so that I can put together an RC1 tarball tomorrow for you guys

Re: [Wikitech-l] Capabilities class (was Re: Make Extensions Aware of the ContentHandler)

2012-10-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: I think instead of using individual constant, we should finally introduce a Capabilities class. It should have a single static method, has(), which indicates whether a certain capability is registered within the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Make Extensions Aware of the ContentHandler

2012-10-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:52 AM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: Since the ContentHandler stuff has been merged into the core, several much-used functions and hooks have been deprecated. I have tried to find and replace all calls in core, but a lot of extensions are still using the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Content handler feature merge (Wikidata branch) scheduled early next week

2012-10-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We now at around the time that we planned to merge the ContentHandler branch in. Questions: * Daniel/others: have you submitted a merge commit for this? If not, do you need help/clarification, or do you have it? * People who reviewed Denny's faux commit[1] and left comments. Any

Re: [Wikitech-l] Content handler feature merge (Wikidata branch) scheduled early next week

2012-09-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: Yes and no. The person that merges the branch can create a merge commit and submit that for review (git checkout -b mergewikidata master git merge wikidata git review) but Gerrit will not show the diff properly:

[Wikitech-l] Content handler feature merge (Wikidata branch) scheduled early next week

2012-09-25 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Assuming no one finds any substantive issues, we plan on merging the ContentHandler feature (Wikidata branch) early next week, in time for 1.20wmf14 (assuming we're still calling this the 1.20 series then). The tracking bug for that is here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5 and non valid attributes/elements of previous versions (bug 40329)

2012-09-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf...@gmail.com wrote: We all agree that this is bad, what we need to figure out is what to do next: 1: Disable the transform and output the align attribute even though it's not valid HTML5. Solve validness later. 2: Remove the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-19 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com wrote: If the primary target are app developers then http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page + improvements is probably a better target. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub See full reasoning at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal to add an API/Developer/Developer Hublink to the footer of Wikimedia wikis

2012-09-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: And to help new developers discover various cross-Wikimedia tech projects, there is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_developer_hub . Just wanted people to know so they don't reinvent the wheel. :) My

Re: [Wikitech-l] 1.20 RC Tarball

2012-09-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
I haven't had a chance to check this out yet, but has anyone else? Any reports good/bad/indifferent? Rob On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I found some minor problems with the tarball put up yesterday, so I'm releasing an update. Here are the

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTML5, it's a coming (again)!

2012-09-17 Thread Rob Lanphier
This change has been made now. Rob On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Forwarded as this is of potentially wider interest. This may be a breaking change for some older bots that haven't been maintained. -- Forwarded message -- From: Sam

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reverting English Wikipedia to 1.20wmf10

2012-09-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:10 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Daniel Friesen wrote: Haven't both of the issues with re-introducing 1.8 already been marked as fixed? No idea about this question directly, but the English Wikipedia is (and all Wikimedia wikis, I believe, are) now running

[Wikitech-l] Welcome, Dan Andreescu!

2012-09-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm pleased to announce Dan Andreescu will join the Analytics team today as our new Javascript/UI engineer. In this role, he will be taking on development of Limn[1], our data visualization and dashboard building toolkit. He is also going to be responsible for the front-end for

[Wikitech-l] Reverting English Wikipedia to 1.20wmf10

2012-09-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, We've reverted MediaWiki from 1.20wmf11 to 1.20wmf10 in order to fix a problem with watchlists failing: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40103 The root cause of this problem is a compatibility issue with jQuery 1.7.2. We can't yet cleanly upgrade to jQuery 1.8. There

Re: [Wikitech-l] Status on MediaWiki 1.20 release?

2012-09-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Mark, Comments inline On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 08/31/2012 05:02 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: Sam would be the one to publish the tarball, but anyone can generate an unofficial alpha tarball, and I'd encourage that. We can already use

Re: [Wikitech-l] 5 tips to get your code reviewed faster

2012-09-04 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: Or maybe these simply the differences in the sorts of reviews that people like to do? Or maybe its a bit of both? I think you're right that stylistic differences are at play. One possible bit of guidance we can give

Re: [Wikitech-l] Status on MediaWiki 1.20 release?

2012-08-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:29 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 08/31/2012 03:19 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) wrote: Wikimedia is at 1.20/wmf10 now. That means that it has been working with 1.20 alpha for the past 20 weeks. Isn't is about time we start preparing something

[Wikitech-l] Call for Gerrit contractor

2012-08-31 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Steven Walling steven.walling at gmail.com wrote: But do we have a plan for improving Gerrit in a substantial way? Hi everyone, In my response to Steven at the time [1], I indicated that we have a modest contractor budget for this work. The RFP is now posted

Re: [Wikitech-l] $( 'div' ) vs. $( 'div /') in coding conventions (and methods for building DOMs with jQuery)

2012-08-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Mark Holmquist mtrac...@member.fsf.org wrote: I also tried to get an answer about the better between $( 'div class=a-class /' ) and $( 'div /' ).addClass( 'a-class' ), but apparently

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla workflow: keywords

2012-08-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:48 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I think we should take a holistic approach to the Bugzilla workflow. I was hoping the incoming Wikimedia Foundation entomologist would work on this. It'd be great to fix one aspect of bug filing (such as the use of keywords),

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua deployed to www.mediawiki.org

2012-08-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I recall that one of Robla's standard articles from enwiki for demonstrating long rendering time was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama. I just did a purge on it and it took 34s to render. Hi Mark, thanks

Re: [Wikitech-l] Appreciation thread

2012-08-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote: * Sumana for this idea. Seconded. Also thanks to: * Denny and Daniel for sending the very helpful summaries of Wikidata blockers, and being patient with us as we review their work * Jack Phoenix for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua deployed to www.mediawiki.org

2012-08-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, At the risk of repeating what others have said, a quick note in response to Yury: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Would you mind you please tell me where 1) the discussion about deploying Lua on mw.org , 2) the announcement that it will

[Wikitech-l] Code review statistics and trends

2012-08-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Our Analytics crew have worked out how to generate a graph that gives us a view into our code review backlog: http://gerrit-stats.wmflabs.org/graphs/mediawiki The red line is roughly the equivalent of this search in the Gerrit search box: is:open -CodeReview=+2 -CodeReview=+1

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we make an acceptable behavior policy? (was: Re: Mailman archives broken?)

2012-08-17 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, Roan, thanks for the even-handed treatment on this subject. More inline: On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Roan Kattouw roan.katt...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically, in the thread where Ryan called out MZ, the question but what are you doing to fix this? was repeated in some form or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua deployed to test2wiki

2012-08-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Lua extension (Scribunto) is now enabled on test2wiki. Feedback would be greatly appreciated, especially if it comes in the form of bug reports and feature requests filed in the Scribunto component in Bugzilla.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use cases for Sites handling change (Re: Wikidata blockers weekly update)

2012-08-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Denny, I think we may be talking past each other. Comments inline... On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: I am a bit confused here. As far as I can see everyone agrees that this changeset goes in the right direction. I don't think enough

Re: [Wikitech-l] Use cases for Sites handling change (Re: Wikidata blockers weekly update)

2012-08-13 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Can you be specific and point to these questions we've answered to vague, then I'll try to answer then in more detail. Two places to start off with: 1. In response to Brian Wolff's email. Many interesting questions

[Wikitech-l] Use cases for Sites handling change (Re: Wikidata blockers weekly update)

2012-08-10 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, I'm starting a separate thread, because this is an important topic and I don't think it's well served as a subtopic of a Wikidata blockers thread. To recap, Jeroen submitted changeset 14295 in Gerrit https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14295/ with the following summary: This commit

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers weekly update

2012-08-09 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Denny, Thanks for the update. Comments inline: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: * Merging the Wikidata branch (ContentHandler) is still open, see https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38622. There has been no feedback in the last

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers overview

2012-08-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Denny, Thanks for the update! More inline... On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: == Ongoing from last week == [...] * Changeset https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/14295/, bug https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38705 about

Re: [Wikitech-l] Nightly tarballs?

2012-08-01 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: I'm willing to set this up to run on wmflabs.org or on my own server if there is interest. This may also be a good way to measure the need for a point release -- for example, if the nightly starts including fixes

[Wikitech-l] Gerrit evaluation process ending August 10

2012-07-30 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Y'all know about this, right? :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation As I said at the beginning of this process[1], the way this works is we argue for a while, Brion watches, and then he makes the call. You might have also noticed my mention about a meeting today

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata code review

2012-07-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Daniel, More inline: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: as a follow up to Jeroens mail, I'd like to give a quick overview of things that need to happen before we can roll out phase I of Wikidata on the first Wikipedia (scheduled for late

[Wikitech-l] Criteria for serious alternative

2012-07-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Faidon Liambotis fai...@wikimedia.orgwrote: My understanding of the process was that we would collect a broad set of arguments/ideas/proposals and people would be later assigned to the task of evaluating them and proposing a viable solution and a migration

Re: [Wikitech-l] Criteria for serious alternative

2012-07-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 6:42 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: For what it's worth, I think Ryan makes a compelling case for sticking with Gerrit (and I'm still not convinced that another switch would do more good than harm). I'm still deeply worried about the ability to use and improve

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth, abstract implementation, and built-in unknown / internal / import applications.

2012-07-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.comwrote: On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:59:30 -0700, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think I understand what your saying about that, and that's one way it could be done. I had also given some thought to extending the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: But do we have a plan for improving Gerrit in a substantial way? Depends on your definition of substantial, but yes, we do have a plan to invest in Gerrit. We have been holding off on some of that investment until

[Wikitech-l] Criteria for serious alternative

2012-07-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thursday, July 26, 2012, Faidon Liambotis wrote: This is not to you specifically but as a general remark: there are multiple other alternatives that have been mentioned besides Gerrit and GitHub with a potential of getting the best of both worlds. I think it's better to not polarize the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikidata blockers

2012-07-23 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Jeroen, Thanks for this! Per our conversation, I'd love for this to be weekly, even if the status is no change. Even that is useful information, since it may uncover cases where we're waiting for each other thinking that the other party has the next step. More below: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012

Re: [Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-18 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think you can decide to change away from gerrit without having an idea of what we want to use instead. As I understand it, we're on gerrit because it's the least-bad option. To show that it's no longer the

[Wikitech-l] Serious alternatives to Gerrit

2012-07-17 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, It appears as though the discussion has continued apace for the Gerrit evaluation process: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_evaluation Thank you everyone for chipping in so far. The current format is a mix of talk page and structured discussion, which seems ok for now. It

[Wikitech-l] Gerrit evaluation process

2012-07-11 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, As you know, when we moved to Git, we decided we would retire our home grown Code Review extension for MediaWiki. Having collectively not had a lot of experience with Git-based code review tools, we decided to try Gerrit. Moving to Git was a very deliberate decision that was

[Wikitech-l] Bug 37225: Several history entries for the same content and watchlists showing wrong article size changes

2012-07-07 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi everyone, Aaron has been working on bug 37225 for a while: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37225 ...but has hit a bit of a brick wall with the bug. I encouraged him to send mail to the list about it, but he's skeptical that more than a very small set of people can be helpful

Re: [Wikitech-l] Upstream keyword in bugzilla

2012-07-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 July 2012 17:55, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote: I think the upstream keyword in bugzilla is useless. Can we replace it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical hurdles for enabling $wgHtml5 on Wikimedia sites?

2012-07-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 5:22 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Are you following the deployment plan outlined by Roan here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478#c18? (It was a follow-up to Aryeh's post here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Barkeep code review tool

2012-07-02 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: I became curious with these statements regarding self-review (committer==reviewer) and so I ran a couple of queries against the gerrit database to see how often this occurs: 1) For the puppet repo, 84.1% of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] New branch testing in operations/mediawiki-config

2012-06-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Can we create a new branch which would be speedily merged when changes were done to it, so that we could check out on labs and apply the change there in order to test if patches submitted by devs works ok? Thanks to Antoine

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical hurdles for enabling $wgHtml5 on Wikimedia sites?

2012-06-29 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Helder, Thanks for posting this to VPT, and relaying things back here. Comments inline... On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Helder . helder.w...@gmail.com wrote: Anomie pointed out on enwiki's Village Pump[1] the problem with the Cite extension mentioned on

[Wikitech-l] Technical hurdles for enabling $wgHtml5 on Wikimedia sites?

2012-06-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi all, We have a longstanding request to enable HTML5 on all sites: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27478 We've had it enabled on mediawiki.org for ages, with minimal death and mayhem. There are two issues listed as blockers: Bug 30525: Search bar icon/button slightly lower

Re: [Wikitech-l] bot activity in #mediawiki on freenode

2012-06-21 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: That's what I said this week, we should make #mediawiki-feed where all bots would live and leave #mediawiki for humans If we relegate the bots to a separate channel, pretty soon they'll figure out no one is paying attention to

[Wikitech-l] Revoking +2 (Re: who can merge into core/master?)

2012-06-15 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you merge into mediawiki/core.git, your change is considered safe for inclusion in a wmf branch.  The wmf branch is just branched out of master and then deployed. We don't review it again.  Because we're

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki tarballs and the WMF

2012-06-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 09/06/12 09:46, Rob Lanphier wrote: I've long mused out loud about this possibility, but I've become less certain over time that this is a good outcome based on what happened with Mozilla Messaging (spun out

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki tarballs and the WMF

2012-06-12 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:58 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Motivated volunteers - e.g. people like me who use the tarballs - are probably the right people for the job 'cos we'd be scratching our itches. (I suppose this means I have to actually do things now.) Bwahahaha...he falls

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki tarballs and the WMF

2012-06-08 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.orgwrote: I've long believed that MediaWiki should be considered a project of the WMF, on the same level as the wikis we host. Perhaps if we included

Re: [Wikitech-l] Set $wgUseCombinedLoginLink = false on WMF cluster?

2012-05-27 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Raimond, I don't recall discussions on this topic. I think this change should be reviewed for usability, but it seems on the surface an improvement. It's worth filing a shell bug if the discussion here turns out well or goes by with no comment. In fact, we should probably just enable it on

[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla downtime

2012-05-26 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, As any of you who might have been trying to access Bugzilla, it has been giving us a lot of problems over the past couple of days. Our Ops team is aware of the problem, but is a bit baffled at this point. Since many of them are traveling or getting ready to do so, expect that it'll

[Wikitech-l] Notes from the Gerrit Hackathon

2012-05-24 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi folks, Chad alerted me to the notes of the Gerrit Hackathon, which happened May 7-11: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/repo-discuss/kEL3FPT2rLo/w39qjsmnrwwJ No one from WMF was there, but I thought you all might find this interesting. Bits I found interesting: * The Gerrit devs are

Re: [Wikitech-l] The bugtracker problem, again

2012-05-22 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: On May 22, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Tomasz Finc wrote: We tried the milestones and they were worse then tracking bugs. Sharing urls like this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cry for help from translatewiki.net

2012-05-20 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking about it, it would be nice to have a working post-commit review workflow like we used to have, for those projects where gated trunk does not work due to lack of quick review. Would it help if we implemented

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