Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

For my part, I think Amir is going way above and beyond to be so thoughtful and open about the future of his tool. I don't see how any part of it constitutes creating biometric identifiers, nor is it obvious to me how it must remove anonymity of users. John, perhaps you can elaborate on your reas

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

I appreciate that Amir is acknowledging that as neat as this tool sounds, its use is fraught with risk. The comparison that immediately jumped to my mind is predictive algorithms used in the criminal justice system to assess risk of bail jumping or criminal recidividism. These algorithms have been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

I think it was doomed to fail as soon as people argued that an organization with an ~$80m annual budget had too many "resource constraints" to address a backlog of bugs in its core product. That happened in the first five or so replies to the thread! On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 10:05 PM John Erling Bl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please comment on the draft consultation for splitting the admin role

Is the risk of an attacker taking over an account with CSS/JS edit permissions any more or less because that person knows how to use CSS/JS? If the criteria will be that only people who know how to use CSS/JS will get access to make those edits, I'm not sure that is perfectly tailored to the need b

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Forrester wrote: > On 16 November 2014 14:36, Pine W wrote: > > > James: would it be possible to automatically save the text of a page to a > > user's sandbox when they encounter an edit conflict? This would overwrite > > the content of the sandbox, but tha

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:09 PM, John wrote: > Issues arise in the fact that malicious editors can abuse it after the > initial review has been done. Or you can run into cases where offensive > material is added attacking another editor, so editor B reports the issue > and before anyone has a cha

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

I can see it being useful in two circumstances: 1) As part of the oversight right, in order to edit an edit summary without hiding the entire revision 2) A right of a user to edit their own edit summaries, if the edit summary is blank Since it's possible and at least some people are interested in

Re: [Wikitech-l] [EE] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

Newbies are going to fail hard at IRC. Pretty much all of the questions Seb poses for a built-in newbie chat still exist with a built-in Freenode interface, with the addition of a complicated and often difficult (not to mention culturally... unique) environment. Much better to think along the lines

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > > If part of the plan for the growth team is to invite > > anonymous editors to sign up, why not tailor some of those invitations > > specifically to female anonymous editors? Then you could add a measure, > > retention of female editors, to

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

itors, to that particular growth project. The results should be instructive. Likewise, it would be nice to see gender-gap related goals within VisualEditor and the user experience groups goals, and to see some focus from the Analytics and Research teams on measuring and understanding the gap better. Ne

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > > > That's precisely my point. Because current talk page discussions are - on > the software level - unstructured, it allows social conventions to do > everything you want it to do structure wise, and to invent new uses as we > go. The dom

Re: [Wikitech-l] Change the installer to make Project: the default option for meta namespace name

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Max Semenik wrote: > This proposal makes no sense: all these namespaces _are_ dependent on wiki > language, so even if you force "Project" down the throats of non-English > users, project talk would still be e.g. Project_ахцәажәара for Abkhazian > wikis and so on.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Change the installer to make Project: the default option for meta namespace name

On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:11 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > On 4 May 2014 05:38, Nathan Larson wrote: > > > > 4) We don't have any other namespace names (User, Template, etc.) that > are, > > by default, different from one wiki to the next; what is the logic for > &g

[Wikitech-l] Change the installer to make Project: the default option for meta namespace name

e any other namespace names (User, Template, etc.) that are, by default, different from one wiki to the next; what is the logic for making an exception for the meta namespace? -- Nathan Larson <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte> ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Another Wikipedia design concept

In the comment thread at the bottom someone gave him a heads up about the fonts controversy, hopefully he doesn't get totally discouraged from MediaWiki design studies after reading it ;) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://

Re: [Wikitech-l] Free fonts and Windows users

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Risker wrote: > > There is a bit of amnesia about the fact that almost all editors are also > readers and regular users of the projects we create, and those editors have > been encouraged since Day One to inform developers of any technical > problems with the site

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC discussion Friday 14 Feb: TitleValue

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Sumana Harihareswara < suma...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > The discussion will be in #wikimedia-office at 13:00 UTC on Friday the > 14th: > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=RFC+review&iso=20140214T14&p1=37&ah=1 Cool, now I have something to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Chris Steipp wrote: > 1) As I understand it, the reason we went from 0 to 1 character required is > spammers were actively trying to find accounts with no password so they > could edit with an autoconfirmed account. We rely on "number of > combinations of minimum p

Re: [Wikitech-l] Let's improve our password policy

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:58 AM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > For example, MZMcBride, what if your password is "wiki", and somebody > compromises your account, and changes your password and email. You don't > have a committed identity, so your account is now unrecoverable. You now > have to sign up for Wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > Your scenario is based on the premise that Wikipedia vandals care enough > about vandalizing Wikipedia that they would get in their car (assuming > they're old enough to have a license), drive to the nearest Starbucks, > vandalize Wikipedia, an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Non-complicated way to display configuration for a given wiki?

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > Hi, > > to test changes to operations/mediawiki-config, I'd like to > display the settings for a given wiki. > > So far I figured out: > > | > | $IP = 'wmf-config'; > | $cluster = 'pmtpa'; > > | require ('/home/tim/public_html/w/includes/S

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > It would allow a motivated person to reset their identity and go > undetected provided they avoid the kind of articles and behaviors they > got in trouble over in the first place. It's not clear to me that the > consequences would be particul

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Chris Steipp > wrote: > >> To satisfy Applebaum's request, there needs to be a mechanism whereby > >> someone can edit even if *all of their communications with Wikipedia, > >> including the initial contact*

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor exemption process (was: Re: Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR)

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > I tested the existing process by creating a new riseup.net email > account via Tor, then requesting account creation and a global > exemption via stewa...@wikimedia.org. My account creation request was > granted, but for exemption purposes, I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

I forgot to mention, another problem is that you can't even import Wikipedia: namespace pages to your wiki without changing your interwiki table to get rid of the wikipedia: interwiki prefix first. The importer will say, "Page 'Wikipedia:Sandbox' is not imported because its name is reserved for ext

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:00 AM, go moko wrote: > >What if filling the interwiki table with predefined links was an > installation option, possibly with several lists, and void? Probably won't (and shouldn't) happen, since we're trying to keep the installer options close to the bare minimum. Ch

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > I think the interwiki map should be retired. I think broken links > should be removed from it, and no new wikis should be added. > > Interwiki prefixes, local namespaces and article titles containing a > plain colon intractably conflict. Ever

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:35 PM, This, that and the other < at.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > I can't say I care about people reading through the interwiki list. It's > just that with the one interwiki map, we are projecting "our" internal > interwikis, like strategy:, foundation:, sulutil:, wmch: on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Revamping interwiki prefixes

On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:53 AM, This, that and the other < at.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > 1. Split the existing interwiki map on Meta [2] into a "global interwiki > map", >located on MediaWiki.org (draft at [3]), and a "WMF-specific interwiki > map" >on Meta (draft at [4]). Wikimedia-spe

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclupedia: Developers wanted

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote: > That's not the case. There are components for software the WMF does not > use. This ranges from major projects like Semantic MW to one-off > extensions that WMF does not have a use for (e.g. Absentee Landlord) to > tools that work *with*

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclupedia: Developers wanted

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > Id say that http://getwiki.net/-GetWiki:1.0 was similar to your "superset" > concept (minus the merging part) Yeah, per WikiIndex , "Instead of red links, GetWiki uses green links to point to articles which do n

[Wikitech-l] Inclupedia: Developers wanted

vision of the site, or lead to a lot of (what I might consider) undesirable technical decisions being made. But we do what we have to do to make what we are passionate about a reality, to the extent that's possible given the resources at hand. Thanks, -- Nathan Larson <h

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Tim Landscheidt >wrote: > I checked out the registration form for a white supremacist forum, and they > just use reCAPTCHA. No doubt they'll be developing a CAPTJCA or CAPTMCA > soon enough. Conversely, on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > I checked out the registration form for a white supremacist forum, and they > just use reCAPTCHA. No doubt they'll be developing a CAPTJCA or CAPTMCA > soon enough. > > There are likely a number of strings that should be added to the default

Re: [Wikitech-l] FW: Mass file undeletion tools?

On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Tuszynski, Jaroslaw W. < jaroslaw.w.tuszyn...@leidos.com> wrote: > Lately someone deleted 70 pages from the middle of several thousand page > Russian encyclopedia used by Wikisource. Everything was done by the > book: since the uploader forgot to add a license and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list etiquette and trolling

On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Or perhaps he merely suggested something that you disagreed with (or didn't > understand), without "losing [his] mind" or being a "troll"? > > I'm a little skeptical about Jeroen's GitHub suggestion, but it seems like > something reasonable

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > In this case we should promptly work to fix this issue. To be honest, the > only difficult part of our code review process is having to learn Git if > you do not already know how to use it. If there were a way to submit > patchsets without usi

Re: [Wikitech-l] FWD: [Bug 58236] New: No longer allow gadgets to be turned on by default for all users on Wikimedia sites

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Tyler Romeo wrote: > I can definitely understand the reasoning behind this. Right now with both > Gadgets and common.js we are allowing non-reviewed code to be injected > directly into every page. While there is a bit of trust to be had > considering only administ

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please use sitenotice when a new version of software is deployed

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Dan Garry wrote: > How about getting this stuff included in the Signpost? I think that's a > good medium for it. > > There used to be a "Technology report" but I've not seen it for a while... > > Dan > BRION, they called it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] can i mod the [~~~~~]magic word's data style?

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Sen Slybe wrote: > This's my first time talk at a open source mail list,I got say this is > very feel great,I personally use mediawiki to record what I seeing,what I > think,I really like it,maybe first it's kind hard to learn like about the > wired wiki text lan

Re: [Wikitech-l] can i mod the [~~~~~]magic word's data style?

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: > > > > There's two internationalization changes in play here. First of all, > > month names get translated. This is something that you cannot change > > without modifying core (as far as I know). > > > > Actually what am I talking about. The ob

Re: [Wikitech-l] can i mod the [~~~~~]magic word's data style?

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Brian Wolff wrote: > On 11/29/13, Sen wrote: > > i know it's depend the mediawiki language,but can i change it by my own?i > > use chinese mediawiki,but i wana the mediawiki signature time format use > > english. > > > > sorry again,if this question should not a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we see mw 1.22 today?

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Sen wrote: > i wana to,but i dont know any easy way to switch the version,the upgrade > for me is use the patch,but i mod some system file,so if everytime i need > to change them,that's seems pretty crazy.. > If you're finding you need to hack MediaWiki because

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we see mw 1.22 today?

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Sen Slybe wrote: > It's very excited to upgrade for the new version,so I can final have a try > for the visual editor... > > Is here not suppose ask this kind question ,I sorry if that's so.I just > really like mediawikii and WANA thx for you hard work > > Regrade

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Gabriel Wicke wrote: > On 11/18/2013 09:46 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: > > I do think the implications of changing how nofollow is applied are very > > different on, say, Wikipedia than they would be on a small or even > > medium-sized wiki &g

Re: [Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

To aggregate some of the arguments and counter-arguments, I posted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/The_dofollow_FAQ and https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Costs_and_benefits_of_using_nofollow. It does seem, from my googling of what the owners of smaller wikis have to say about it, that nofollow i

[Wikitech-l] Applying nofollow only to external links added in revisions that are still unpatrolled

is patrol rights would end up getting taken away. Spam is a form of vandalism, so it would fall under the duties of patrollers. At Wikipedia, RecentChanges patrollers are expected to be on the lookout for spam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Recent_changes_patrol#Spam -- Nath

Re: [Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Nathan Larson wrote: > Do we really need to set criteria for a wiki being a candidate? Are we > trying to keep the number of approved interwiki links down? I had in mind > just letting everyone have a prefix and a URL that we would distribute. > I

Re: [Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > As mentioned by Mark and quoted in my email, http://wikiapiary.com/ > could be a good starting point. > > Just improvising a hypothetical starting point for a process to maintain > the decentralized interwiki table: > > In order to become a candi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia Issue

I get an error, and beneath it there is a message that says "Your cache administrator is: nobody" Looks like there is a bug on it that's 4 or 5 years old ;) On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Nathan Larson wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Derric Atzrott < > datz

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia Issue

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Derric Atzrott < datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote: > The issue seems to be confined to Wikipedia. I am not seeing it affect > Mediawiki.org > > Additionally the issue seems to be affecting more than just the English > language Wikipedia. The lojban language Wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > With my hat of third party wiki admin I personally agree with all this. > > Another possibility further down in the roadmap: > > Imagine a World in which you could transclude in your wiki content from > a subset of this interwiki table of wikis,

[Wikitech-l] The interwiki table as a whitelist of non-spammy sites

denunciation means it's a potential opportunity to gain exposure for my content. They say there's no such thing as bad publicity. ;) ) -- Nathan Larson <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte> Distribution of my contributions to this email is hereby authorized pursuant

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Bugzilla users have restricted accounts

Why not make assigning bugs work sort of like FlaggedRevs -- as a new user, you can make changes, but the changes won't take effect until they're reviewed and approved? After a bureaucrat sees that you're behaving responsibly, or after you've made a certain number of changes that have been approved

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architectural leadership in Wikimedia's technical community

updated before 2013. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte/RFCs_sorted_by_%22updated%22_date -- Nathan Larson <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte> Distribution of my contributions to this email is hereby authorized pursuant to the CC0 license<http://creativecomm

Re: [Wikitech-l] Page title length

adir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] > Reposted to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_title_size_limitations . -- Nathan Larson <https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte> Distribution of my contributions to this email is hereby authorized pursuant to the CC0 license<http://crea

Re: [Wikitech-l] Page title length

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Élie Roux wrote: > Dear MediaWiki developers, > > I'm responsible for the development of a new Wiki that will contain many > Tibetan resources. Traditionnaly, Tibetan titles of books or even parts of > books are extremely long, as you can see for instance here : >

[Wikitech-l] Deletion schema proposal: Bug 55398

2, and leave the rv_logid=1 revisions deleted. This will render the archive table obsolete, so it can be deprecated/eliminated. I would like to code this for v1.23. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55398 Thanks. -- Nathan Larson https://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Priorities in Bugzilla

e.g. by having Bugzilla ask "Are you sure this meets the criteria for a highest priority bug?" and then linking to http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla/Fields#Priority ? -- Nathan Larson 703-399-9376 http://mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Leucosticte _

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: > On 11/13/2012 11:54 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > >> Once no RESOLVED LATER tickets remain, I can remove the resolution. > >> > >> Silence means approval. > >> > > > > No it doesn't. > > The above exchange really confuses me. > > I'm no

Re: [Wikitech-l] About RESOLVED LATER

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > What about removing the LATER resolution from our Bugzilla? It feels like > sweeping reports under the carpet. If a team is convinced that something > won't be addressed any time soon then they can WONTFIX. If anybody feels > differently then they

Re: [Wikitech-l] Best policies for WikiFarms

> > I doubt WMF uses wgCacheDirectory at all. It's default is false and WMF > has Memcached. It doesn't even affect WikiFarms since it's not set by > default. You have to explicitly set it yourself. > It's absent from InitialiseSettings.php but in CommonSettings.php it's set as $wgCacheDirectory =

Re: [Wikitech-l] Language templates missing from Mediawiki dumps

t on the future. > > Hope somebody can help you :D, or give you some workaround, patch or idea. > > On 21 May 2010 21:35, Nathan Day wrote: > >> >> >> 2. For the articles that do show up, the templates are not transcluding. >> For >> an article that has T

Re: [Wikitech-l] Language templates missing from Mediawiki dumps

They are template articles that are missing. Not interwiki links. :-) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM, OQ wrote: > You sure those aren't interwiki links and not templates? > > ___ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists

[Wikitech-l] Language templates missing from Mediawiki dumps

said, it is not much to simply import the missing templates manually, I was wondering if anyone had experienced this problem or has a quicker solution than the manual import/export. Best Regards, Nathan Day ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Language indices problem when importing wiktionary dump

7;t include all the relevant information. Best Regards, Nathan Day ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] importing wikimedia dumps using mwdumper

Thanks for the solution Roan, that fixed the issue! Hip hip, hoorah and three cheers for Roan. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > 2010/5/21 Nathan Day : > > I have been trying to set up a mirror site of wiktionary > [snip] > > 1. Articles are succesfully

[Wikitech-l] importing wikimedia dumps using mwdumper

xample, where I can see that the page exists in the db, mediawiki is acting like the template doesn't exist. If anyone has any experience with these kinds of problems or importing database dumps in general, your help would be much appreciated. Th