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Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi
from the /is-that-about-face,-or-just-two-faced?/ dept
Remember the good old days of... well, last year, when telcos were
telcos and they absolutely hated muni-WiFi? It was such a huge threat to
Many WISPs have been too busy trashing the Muni-WiFi concept to look at
the opportunities. Who can blame ATT for taking advantage when most
WISPs turned up their noses. It is not too late for WISPs to get a
foothold in the Muni-WiFi arena if they try. Turning up their noses at
the idea will
It helps you because you get to be the muni wireless company rather than
a new player who may infringe upon your market share.
George
Matt Liotta wrote:
I think you may be taking your city's view about muni Wi-Fi and applying
it to the rest of the country. For example, if you read the Atlanta
George Rogato wrote:
It helps you because you get to be the muni wireless company rather
than a new player who may infringe upon your market share.
Even if we did do a deal with the city that wouldn't stop a new player
from entering the market. Again, without something of value provided by
Rick Lindahl there goes back for years (about 10 that I know of) as one
of the early guys in this business.
Patrick
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I did look at the budget for the project. However, without an anchor
customer the business plan doesn't look too hot. Personally, I doubt
Earthlink can even afford to do it. Then again, they probably can't
afford to not do it. I'd hate to be a shareholder.
-Matt
Brad Larson wrote:
Matt, I
I should also add that we have a wait-and-see approach to the build it
for free model will work. Cities get huge efficiency benefits from
these networks and they should not expect to get this for free. The best
networks are those that are being carefully designed with most of the
applications in
Patrick Leary wrote:
I agree that many WISPs have panned muni wi-fi instead of leveraging
their expertise. WISPs were arguably best positioned initially to
address this need. Smart VARs and resellers got busy though and whether
WISPs realize it, almost all the VARs that serve the WISP community
Matt,
We are on the same page, trust me. There has yet to be a solidly working
civic access muni network. By solidly, I mean indoor coverage without
forced buying of a secondary CPE. We have also yet to see a successfully
scaled mesh network for low cost civic access. Philly and San Fran are
And when low cost civic access is not a component of the project, we do
not believe mesh fits at all (except for small, localized clusters like
in parks). In such cases, there is no one to fund it for free and cities
themselves cannot justify 50-60 mesh nodes per square mile for their own
internal
Patrick Leary wrote:
We are on the same page, trust me. There has yet to be a solidly working
civic access muni network. By solidly, I mean indoor coverage without
forced buying of a secondary CPE. We have also yet to see a successfully
scaled mesh network for low cost civic access. Philly and
Our side of the network works well, and while the mesh side is not so
good for residential, nomadic users are using it as are some city
workers. So these networks will never be claimed to be a public failure.
Instead, you may see them quietly transferred for local groups to run if
the big guys
Actually you are also taking your own city's view and trying to say that
is all there is. My opportunity gets me a paid contract to deploy mobile
WiFi service into all police vehicles (even though it does not pay
much), use of street light poles, use of water towers, etc. I doubt
another
Matt Liotta wrote:
Patrick Leary wrote:
We are on the same page, trust me. There has yet to be a solidly working
civic access muni network. By solidly, I mean indoor coverage without
forced buying of a secondary CPE. We have also yet to see a successfully
scaled mesh network for low cost
Certainly I didn't mean to imply that Atlanta's RFP is the same as every
other city. However, almost all of the first tier cities have similar RFPs.
In regard to competition, remember that coverage doesn't matter; sales
matter. It is easy to compete with even established WISPs who have large
John Scrivner wrote:
Why should the networks all fail? If they provide easy mobile access
to WiFi then that is what you design and build them to do. That is
what I am doing. If the 4 nodes we turned on today in our downtown
provide me with the ability to find a business downtown through the
I do not see the upside to any Muni-Wifi Project for WISPs.
Unless, the Muni is providing the funds to grant to the WISP that wins the
RFP.
Even if RFP required a Small Business set aside portion in proposal (for
example 25% of opportunity must be contracted out to third party local
WISPs), it
There are networks like Allconet that are definate success stories of Muni
wireless, in their case that use Alvarion gear.
But these are different animals, and projects funded by the government for
governement as the subscribers.
There are definately benefits to government workers that need
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inches long.
I need them to be 6 ghz rated or better - very low loss.
Anyone?
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IMHO. For some reason wifi has gone from being a convenience and hotspot
technology to the 4th leg of broadband for the masses or the 4th leg of
broadband to close the digital divide (meaning 95% or more coverage over a
whole community-large and small). Mesh on the edge could be getting oversold
Roger Peters?
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
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Thanks
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Direct commercial inquiries to
Tom DeReggi wrote:
My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile
network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without
financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.
But what about cellular?
Aren't they posed best to take
I spoke to Rick today for a bit... seems very knowledgeable, and he has a
variety of products in stock, meaning just overnight for me...
The first people who seem to know their stuff at overnight distance.
Thanks for the name.
Mark
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I wasn't going to pipe in on this topic, but George hit it square on the
head: Cellular.
Laptops are now available with built-in cellular data cards. This trend
will only continue as the cellular data rates continue to increase. My
Sprint data card pretty consistently pulls 500Kbps and can peak
The WISP industry has created some interesting issues with the
traditional VAR/Distributor definitions. In reality the lines have been
blurred considerably. There are folks like us (Electro-Comm) and Tessco
that think of ourselves as traditional 2 tier distributors. Typically
we would sell
I do not see anything like this on Belden's site, Can you be more specific
or send a copy of what you are talking about?
Ken Chipps
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