There are networks like Allconet that are definate success stories of Muni wireless, in their case that use Alvarion gear. But these are different animals, and projects funded by the government for governement as the subscribers. There are definately benefits to government workers that need nomadic or mobile connectivity options. The secret is to sell that benefit, so that governement pays for it, and has the excess capacity jsut sitting theree unused to sell or donate to public use.

My arguement is that the biggest prospective client for use of a mobile network is the governement. If you give service to them free or without financial contribution from them, its just plain stupid in my mind.

The reason most Muni will fail, is that they try and maximize the advantage of their assets by playing the potentual users agaisnt each other in competition to find the higherst bidder to buy the exclusive rights. (Which I argue is unethical). But they then limit their options to one provider. Instead what they should do is create a blank PO for ALL service providers that will give the assets up to the quickest takers on a first come first serve basis for as much space that is available for free. (not just one provider). To be clear, I'm not suggesting all exclusive city wide territory, in the Blank PO, I'm referring to a Blank PO that would cover and accelerate approval for all poles but the right to install on a specific pole is a first come first serve per pole. No right is granted for more than 30 days in advance of it actually being installed. This would create a labd fight race to see who could build quickest to serve people. And it wouldn't put all the governments eggs in one basket. Or the governement should issue a certain number of Circuit order for broadband, and award them to the first come first server Wireless providers that can deliver the service.

I personally, deployed way more cell sites than I should ahve financially jstified, but I did it because if I didn;t snag them someone else would first. The Governement has the abilty to create such a type of Demand. Instead they want to issue it to one, where it has been proven that there is no accountabilty for failure when no competition has been created in the endeavor.

So many confuse Competition as companies competing for the right to be the one to mail the invoice. Competition is need in the infrastructure to.
Without it its a doomed model.

Its different for Muni FIber. Fiber NEEDs the easement. Fiber is expensive, and can not be justified if its not a long term financed project for all to share the burden of the cost, and where the capacity is near unlimited in practical purposes.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:05 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi


Our side of the network works well, and while the mesh side is not so
good for residential, nomadic users are using it as are some city
workers. So these networks will never be claimed to be a public failure.
Instead, you may see them quietly transferred for local groups to run if
the big guys building them cannot make a case over time.

But again, our side works well and a major part of the business case is
NOT the residential side, but in selling fixed services to businesses
using the middle layer technology. At the same time, our radios are also
connecting the traffic systems in some case, cameras in some, etc.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ma Bell's About Face On Muni-WiFi

Patrick Leary wrote:
We are on the same page, trust me. There has yet to be a solidly
working
civic access muni network. By solidly, I mean indoor coverage without
forced buying of a secondary CPE. We have also yet to see a
successfully
scaled mesh network for low cost civic access. Philly and San Fran are
still on paper only. These networks are able to provide good outdoor
coverage only so far. That is also why we like playing the multipoint
backhaul layer. We can reliably deliver that middle layer and get high
connectivity for the mesh nodes, fixed cameras, traffic lights, a city
buildings, but the success of the Wi-Fi layer is beyond our control
and
remains the questionable piece.

What happens to Alvarion when these networks fail? Does the market get
flooded with your radios for pennies on the dollar? Does it make
customers question the viability of wireless operators in general? We
are certainly questioned routinely on why we will succeed when WinStar
and others failed.

-Matt
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