I wish we would have had funding. Just hard work, 7 days a week, 14 hour
days until things started rolling. Eventually made ends meet and then
actually started seeing some profits at some point. Advertising is a
mystery. Its like certain wireless gear. It might work in some areas but not
others.
yep, rural NJ. Northern. ALL hills, ALL trees.
Doin ok so far, about break even on 300k over 4 yrs, but need a payoff, and
now I'm lookin at some private investors who are interested.
I need to get a feel on realistic projections.
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I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday
and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong
signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs
that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33
Hi Brian,
See this thread Balancing your RF levels to get the best RF
performancehttp://motorola.canopywireless.com/support/community/viewtopic.php?t=2827start=0postdays=0postorder=aschighlight=power+balance
in the Canopy forums:
*http://tinyurl.com/28re8d*
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Primaverity,
If you broke even but had a partner who did not help very much, then
my feeling is you should just stay on the course you have and the
profit will happen. If you bring in new money and new people my
feeling is you stand a chance you'll just end up with more of the
same. Trying to meet too many
Thanks, I read it and yes, my SMs are balanced, or were, until the AP died.
Brian
Dylan Oliver wrote:
Hi Brian,
See this thread Balancing your RF levels to get the best RF
Most service providers never make it much past break even because of the
high fixed costs in this business. Fill up one T1 with customers and the
second one is the same price as the first. You have to be able to
support large volumes just to change cost ratios. Then you have things
like CALEA
Hi Rick:
1. a yagi of equal or higher gain has to be on the module
certification. If it is not, contact the module vendor to get it added.
2. for your combination, submit to a lab to get a DoC. You will need a
new DoC for every SBC/module/enclosure combination.
3. Your sticker has to have
Sorry! Didn't read your post carefully enough.
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Primaverity, LLC
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Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck
roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start
making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :)
Just a thought.
Travis
Microserv
Matt Liotta wrote:
Most service providers never make it
Travis Johnson wrote:
Equipment leasing? Every install for us is a break-even (after truck
roll, installing a firewall/router/AP for free, etc.) and we start
making money on every customer on their first monthly payment. :)
Equipment leasing only addresses one part of an operator's fixed costs.
Small business owners have many resources for help.
The local university, small business development centers, SCORE.org, and
many others.
There are finance companies that can help with the leasing - or
sometimes the manufacturer can help you find one.
For every problem there is a solution.
If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the
omnis and sectorize our tower.
laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
Matt, he said he got rid of a useless partner, thus no loss of
manpower and added capital. Raising funds is not easy and requires a
lot of paperwork and letting a stranger into your life in a very
personal way.
Since he is at the break even point and has straightened out some
issues my best
We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment. We charge a flat
$150 install fee and $30 a month. We pay for the gear in 2 months and
we are straight profit after that. If the Telcos had their ROI that
good they would be dancing.
Lonnie
On 2/20/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lonnie,
This is not a true statement if your CPE is costing you $150 (which
seems a little low after antenna, pigtails, misc. hardware like zip
ties, weatherproof, mounts, etc.) you are breaking even on the
equipment. Then you still have the truck roll, insurance, gas, employee,
etc.
How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the
interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if
the -36 signal is what is doing it?
My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize
the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out
Brian,
A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently
desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a
Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more
paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your
AP
True to a point Travis. But in your earlier post, you claim to be
profitable immediately, which isn't necessarily so since you lease. The
lease is a liability, therefore, you may have a positive cash flow, but
until you pay off the equipment, you are not automatically profitable.
There is a
Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4
be the correct move? Or is something else preferred.
Brian
Jack Unger wrote:
Brian,
A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently
desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a
True... what I meant was I am profitable on that customer from day 1...
because I factor in the monthly cost of the lease per subscriber... so
the customer is installed at no cost to me, and I start making money
from their first payment.
Travis
Scott Reed wrote:
True to a point Travis. But
Travis,
I don't make untrue statements. Please don't say that.
I said we charge a $150 install fee and $30 a month, bringing the
total cash flow to $150 + $30 +30 = $210. The Client side gear is
$184 Quantity 1 and that leaves a small fee for my install guy who is
an employee. I'm maybe 3
Brian,
Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band
filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that
are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two
Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but
if you are
I am cross-posting this on all the major WISP lists since it drives home
how serious the FCC is taking 5.4 GHz product certification and I would
encourage sharing this information with any WISP discussion groups that
have U.S. relevance (e.g. the brand specific Part-15 lists, DSL Reports,
etc.):
I just called for the info, but I need something now and might order the
ubnt one if I get someone to ship it today. So, as long as my center is
912-917 I'd be fine with the ubnt one? I think that will do.
Brian
Jack Unger wrote:
Brian,
Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some
Ubit has two - one centered on 912 and one centered on 917. Be sure to
order the appropriate one.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
I just called for the info, but I need something now and might order the
ubnt one if I get someone to ship it today. So, as long as my center is
912-917 I'd be fine
Anyone have any used Trango FOX5300s that they want to sell. I need one or
two for a job. – reply off list please. Thanks.
_
Don Annas
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Yup, I ordered the 912. With the 917, the interference on 928 would
have still bothered me.
Brian
Jack Unger wrote:
Ubit has two - one centered on 912 and one centered on 917. Be sure to
order the appropriate one.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
I just called for the info, but I need something
Brian,
Umy original point still stands. The parameters of the
environment have changed and its time for the military to adapt to
forces outside of its control instead of trying to maintain an untenable
status quo.
I am a little concerned that the military/industrial complex has so
Fix is on the way..
Don,
I just received an ETA on this problem. We believe to have found
the issue and are in the process of fixing the problem. We have a firmware
as soon as tomorrow. The firmware will be considered Beta and will still
need further testing. If initial
yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with
it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back.
Brian
Jack Unger wrote:
Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Sharing the info I
Because it's a notch, it attenuates the paging frequencies while
letting the 902-928 band go through with little to no attenuation. You
could use it on any frequency within 902-928.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with
it. Thw spec
Thanks!
On 2/20/07, Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fix is on the way..
Don,
I just received an ETA on this problem. We believe to have found
the issue and are in the process of fixing the problem. We have a firmware
as soon as tomorrow. The firmware will be considered
We own the CPE gear so we consider it an investment.
The downside is that a Bank won't share that vision, and they will provide
zero value for the CPE.
However, when the CPE is leased, and someone was willing to lend you money
for it, and has claim to it, all a sudden the bank recognizes the
somebody slap that guy!
On 2/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh brother!
marlon
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ham-80211] Re: 2.4 GHz remote broadcast
Steve wrote:
Are all forms of Ham communications on 5.2 5.4
An asset is something that you own. I consider anything that is not
paid for to be a liability. An asset that you own can be enjoyed and
can make money for you. If it is paid for in a mere two to three
months is this not a worthy investment, especially if it can provide a
profit for years to
RFlinx's arguement was that a bandpass filter to allow the use of the top
channel closest to 930, was pointless because the paging gear would kill it
anyway.
So they decided on a design that would sacrifice the top channel in favor of
a filter that would not degrade the receive strength of the
Hello Paul,
I don't think anyone responded to this...
The 5.8GHz version will be available within 1-2 weeks. Look for a press
release to be sent out within the next few days.
Regards,
Ben Moore
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Jack,
Is there a technical difference between a notch filter and a bandpass
filter?
Is it possible the 930 notch only attenuates 930, and does not help with the
other potential harmful interferers such as the upper 800s, and the higher
than 930 stuff?
I'm jsut trying to get an idea of whether
Lonnie,
I do not controdict your comment. I have chosen your same path. I have
zero financing, and own in full a half million dollars worth of hardware
that is installed.
I was just pointing out the compromise. I now have a $10,000 a year property
tax bill. The bank laughs at me, when I
An asset is something that you own.
Maybe in accounting terms, but in real world, anything that makes you more
money than it costs you is an asset, even if its not paid off.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want
as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably
come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match,
you only win bigger...
Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in the eyes of a
Rick Smith wrote:
actually, I've been told the opposite. Buyers of your company want
as close to zero liability as possible. Especially when they will probably
come in and replace your gear with theirs. If the two seem to match,
you only win bigger...
Loans / Leases / Credit Lines are BAD in
Tom - Please see my answers inline.
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Jack,
Is there a technical difference between a notch filter and a bandpass
filter?
Yes. A bandpass filter is designed to pass (with only a dB or two of
attenuation) a band of frequencies - hence the name bandpass.
Everything outside
Guys, our sales rep at Walker and Associates told us he had some new
antennas in stock that they were trying to move. I don't have a use for
them, but he says they are priced to move as they got stuck with them on a
Sprint stocking order.
He quoted me $750 ea for
Part Number QF4-52-N
4FT
Plus, one really should count the payback on NET per customer revenue not
gross. That customer does have a bandwidth cost, tech support cost, billing
cost, tower capacity cost etc.
marlon
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You put THAT radio on a channel as far away from the noise as you can.
Also, you may want to put in a REALLY good notch filter.
marlon
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From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:34 AM
Remember that the tighter the filter the more loss you'll have going through
it too
marlon
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From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Brian,
And, who ISN'T building to sell right now ? The ones
building to own / operate are going to get run out in the next 3 yrs.
I'm curious about why you think this, Rick...
Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc
Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and
Thanks Brian. I am very familiar with how it all came down (and I know who you
are following!) and with you being an actual participant and not just a witness
I appreciate you sharing the 'inside' information that reinforces the overall
message: this is serious business and no playing around
Jack and Brian,
I noticed this thread just a few minutes ago.
I didn't see mention of what polarity the
OMNI in question is.
Most, if not all, 900 paging is VERTically Polarized.
That is why the integrated antenna Canopy products
all use HORIZontal polarization out of the box.
So one would
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2007/02/19/daily14.html
Clearwire is buying all of ATT's spectrum in BellSouth's 9-state area for
300M ..
and talk of an IPO to raise $500 million
all your base are belong to clearwire!
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Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to put the
little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time and money, and
we don't have much of either.
Of course, wasn't it Marlon that said that that's what people said about us
5 yrs ago and here we are, still, today
Oh, I've been in the partnership thing, got screwed, and was lucky enough to
figure out how to negotiate for 100% ownership of the company that I built
and my deadbeat partner didn't help with.
So, now here I stand, smarter for the experience, but also looking at a pool
of vultures ready to hand
I agree, if I had the capital to keep going. :(
NEED to bring in financing, and I've done all that work by myself. Need
people to help grow it faster / further, and that all takes $$$ too.
R
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie
Caveat (before the explanation...how do you like that): I am deploying
Tranzeo CPEs, and these guys are a Tranzeo reseller.
Look at RidgeviewTel at http://www.dboss-online.com/. I'm in a growing mood
right now, but I don't want someone else to own my network for a long time.
Their system
Hi Ben, I'm jumping here. But I'm looking for specifics on a Rootenna
solution for a Mikrotik RB532A and RB112. Do you have one that I can
purchase or a solution with other parts you can specify?
Thanks.
BTW. I got a few of those 5GHz metal grids with the HD bracket and they are
nice.
Yeah I disagree. If I shut down its because I get tired, not because I get
run out. There becomes a point, when the only big cost is roof space, and a
big company tends to pay more for roof rights. When I'm debt free, not sure
how someone can run me out. I can just give it away, and still
Same direction I'm headed, but the big catch is debt free
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] For those in business just about a year...
Telcos cannot cover the sort of area we as a WISP can cover. Sure
they can take the low hanging fruit, but I see it is similar to the
gold rush days. The first guys cashed out big, and the well financed
guys bought the best fields and made a mint. A LOT of gold was
recovered by very ambitious
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:49:32 -0500, Rick Smith wrote
Telcos. They're going to get what they want @ the FCC, which is to
put the little guys out of business. It'll just be a matter of time
and money, and we don't have much of either.
I'd agree with you, if you take the first impression too.
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