You cannot expect others to take up your flag and run into a fight if
you will not lead the way.
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not
have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed,
or otherwise
Hrm. Designed to mount ON the cable at the street and point toward the
homes ?
Interesting, but futile in the wind...
Isn't it more expensive than a coax run to the home ? LOL.
Hey Cable companies, buy these things and put 'em everywhere
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Hi,
I'm looking for a small device capable of at least DC voltage and temp
monitoring with snmp for monitoring remote solar powered sites.
I've found this http://www.akcpinc.com/company/sensorProbe2.htm but
wondering if anyone has any suggestions.
Thanks!
Steve
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- Original Message -
From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:32 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
Wise guy eh? Nyuk nyuk
My ankles are actually sexier than
I didn't buy that one, but I did buy a 100 meg fd Plaintree FSO link a
couple weeks ago. Should be here any day now.
From what I understand, most FSO has very little tolerance. Things like
vibration can interrupt the links connectivity. Although Plaintree
specifically said it did not effect
Take note the beamwidth of that FSO device is 30 degrees. (And distance 350
feet).
At 30 degress, it will compete with any wireless device.
Correction: Nifty tool for any Internet Provider needing to make a high
capacity connection 250 feet away.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
Exactly my thoughts - I value Mark's opinion and insight - but his opinion /
insight does me absolutely no good if he will not stay the course.
Mark - I feel you are doing yourself and 100s if not 1000s of others an
injustice by leaving.
I personally feel you are a friend and someone I've
Anyone know how much $$$ ? I've got an application for it, actually.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:45 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable
These guys know their stuff when it comes to FSO
http://www.cablefreesolutions.com/products_serviceprovider.htm
Zack
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George,
I am under the impression there is an FSO solution out there that has an
auto align mechanism that overcomes the sway associated with cable and
tower mounts. I would be interested to know if this is how Plaintree
deals with this issue.
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
George Rogato wrote:
I
Mark,
It is people like you who made your country and people like you who
defended your country. Always remember why you stand your ground. I
stood my ground, had to leave the country for my family's safety (An
loaded Uzi (mine) and a baby diaper bag (my new-born baby) together,
finally got
Zack, you flatter us!
Seriously, answering a few questions that were voiced
- 30degrees is very wide for FSO - the link budgets for 350feet (~100m)
would normally entail a narrower beam.
- I don't believe Plaintree use automatic tracking, but they could speak for
themselves of course
- Automatic
Very cool video Stephen!
Best,
Brad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
Zack, you flatter us!
BTW, how is the 80GHz system coming along? Any information you can share
yet?
Best,
Brad
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP]
Hi Brad,
Quick answer is Shipping ...
And legal/FCC certified as well as UK OFCOM approved .. And we have
reference installations too.
The model we recommend is 70GHz and there are 100Mbps and Gigabit Ethernet
versions, and 30 and 60cm antenna options
Interface fibre LC with MM and SM options.
Carl - yes stop now - before you start drinking ! :)
I placed an upside down flag of your current country on a tower Im working
on ! (me ducks)
JohnnyO
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From: Carl A jeptha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007
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From: Smith, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:19 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
Hrm. Designed to mount ON the cable at the street and point toward the
homes ?
Finally, a 1 Paragraph sentence that sums it all up.
Zack
On 5/2/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster. Whining to us
feels good but it fixes nothing. And, it's preaching to the choir. Most of
us here AGREE
FYI
Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband
company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep
Fred Upton (R-MI)
Thought some would like to know.
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you bet!
I've voted for him for 20 odd years. And his office helped me once with
the VA.
Peter R. wrote:
Blair Davis wrote:
FYI
Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small
broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my
congressional Rep Fred Upton
Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill.
Blair Davis wrote:
FYI
Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband
company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep
Fred Upton (R-MI)
Thought some would like to know.
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
mks: Sure. Unless you have to try to get a permit to cross a road,
river, train track etc.
Bingo
I would like to have a 100megs fd and there is only two ways, fiber or
optical. I prefer fiber, but it's not so simple and needs a bit of work
to get
Mark
I would have to say the consensus (and common-sense) way is that
someone is us (the WISPS that buy FCC certified devices). If a product
does not perform as well as another and they have both been put to
adhere to the same guidelines as mandated by the FCC, does not then
the burden fall to
Yes! There is a job for WISPA. Gather all the email addresses for all
the congresspeople in all the states and post the list to this mailing
list. Then everyone can write their reps with little or no effort.
It was a little short sighted for Marlon to say The time for changing
minds is past,
George Rogato wrote:
Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill.
Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in time for
the deadline?
-Matt
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As I am finding myself back into sales, I have a question concerning CALEA. I
just read this blurb:
The “facilities-based” terminology was meant to include providers offering
connectivity infrastructure between end users and the Internet. However,
establishments that acquire broadband
If not it would void our need for compliance when it passes. In other
words, it's sure worth a shot.
On 5/2/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
George Rogato wrote:
Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill.
Does anyone think this bill is actually going to get done in
Speaking of CALEA Statements. how many receive the newsletter from
NetEqualizer? I thought it was really direct and straight forward,
specifically about compliance
My disclaimer: I don't have any connection to Netequalizer, I don't even
have one of their products. Tim
Zack Kneisley wrote:
If not it would void our need for compliance when it passes. In other
words, it's sure worth a shot.
You are still have the problem of getting fined in the meantime.
-Matt
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Many of the Congress Critters don't give out real email addys...they only
take emails using the forms on their websites.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 2:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject:
Consider it done. Here's a link to the page where everyone can locate
their representative and send them email.
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Yes, when it comes to dealing with the government, the time is never
past for changing minds. The government's job is to respond to the needs
of the
Build me a 1200 ft tower and I will peer with anyone that can see me! :-)
On 4/27/07, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Travis, and all.
If this were in MY area YOU could service that customer! How cool is that.
I'm tellin ya, if you want a cell phone type value (or something at
No. But on the other hand, if we ask for nothing then that is what we
will get, or, as I've heard it said:
If you don't ask, then the answer is NO.
Government rules and regulations are constantly changed and amended and
selectively enforced to respond to the needs of constituents.
Congress
I agree - Marlon - it's never too late to change laws or minds.
What could I contribute in order to help see this through ?
JohnnyO
- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject:
This is a sample copy of what I just sent my representative Use it,
edit it, discard it... just send something...
Also, please don't bombard me with what you think I should have or
should not have stated I'm just trying to give others a starting
point of something they can elaborate
FYI.
Letter writing tips from our ISPCON Spring 2005 conference program.
The letter is the most popular choice of communication with a congressional
office. When writing, use fax or e-mail due to the delays of mail delivery
resulting from the threat of Anthrax and other bio hazards. Write your
Gang,
Congress.org has a spot to enter your zip and then takes you to a
form to email all the elected officials in your district. I found it
when I was googling Rep Bart Stupak + CALEA because someone else had
already wrote their reps asking them for endorsement! So I did too.
Jason
Gee Marlon, this sounds a lot like the debate between you and Travis
except you are on the other side ;)
Quite honestly I don't blame Mark K at all. He has been trying to do
here what everyone has been whining at him to do but no one seems to
want to listen to it.
He has been trying to
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Mark,
Justify it anyway you like. Civil disobedience is not a viable
solution. I don't see a large number of people stepping up to the
plate and defending your position.
Whoa, there now! Civil disobedience is always a viable solution. This IS
America (at least where
On Wed, 2 May 2007, Alan Cain wrote:
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Justify it anyway you like. Civil disobedience is not a viable
solution. I don't see a large number of people stepping up to the
plate and defending your position.
Whoa, there now! Civil disobedience is always a viable solution.
In the 60's and '70's most of us would taken a much firmer stance. We
got old and worried about offending somebody. And then we worried
that somebody would punish us for taking our stand.
One thing is for sure, the Telcos would not have stood for such a
bum's rush. The FCC and FBI guys would
Its like my old hippie friend told me the only difference between
hippie and yuppie is 50 grand a year That was in 91. Adjust
accordingly for inflation.
c
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Changing the laws happens MUCH quicker if a mass of people openly
oppose it. Your country was founded on that very principle.
Lonnie
On 5/2/07, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007, Alan Cain wrote:
Dawn DiPietro wrote:
Justify it anyway you like. Civil disobedience is
Also, and it finally sunk in, WE are becoming the MAN. Why are we
scared of ourselves?
Lonnie
On 5/2/07, chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its like my old hippie friend told me the only difference between
hippie and yuppie is 50 grand a year That was in 91. Adjust
accordingly for
I have a few questions about part 15.247 ..
(i) For frequency hopping systems operating in the 902-928 MHz band: if the
20 dB bandwidth of the hopping channel is less than 250 kHz, the system
shall use at least 50 hopping
frequencies and the average time of occupancy on any frequency shall
On Wed, 2 May 2007, Sam Tetherow wrote:
Um, that is what the DISOBEDIENCE in civil disobedience means.
I can't tell what you are referring to here. My comment was
specifically to say that criminal action (breaking the law) is not
the proper course. Is that the part that you disagree with?
I appreciated Tim's remarks, but this sounded very much like a response from
someone that is getting fed by the process of CALEA. If I am wrong I duly
appologize. if I am correct then I have said enough.
I agree with you Sam. It boils down to Uncle Sam is pushing an INTERNET
SECURITY TAX
... I wish now that I had paid more attention in History classes
Which of the founding fathers said something to the effect that the
proper response of the citizenry
to an unjust law was to ignore/disobey it?
John Vogel
Butch Evans wrote:
On Wed, 2 May 2007, Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
Nahh, hippies don't have harley's.
I was wiring at a hippie market a few years back, and this hippie dude,
a real hippie dude, told me that my truck was a waste and that anywhere
I could go in Eugene Oregon, he could get there just as fast on his
bicycle. robably is true. So as I was getting
Butch - if we all followed the laws - nothing in this country would be what
it is today. If our predeccessors (spelling?) followed the rule which we
bucked against - where would we be ?
JohnnyO
- Original Message -
From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
I suggest you not take the view that breaking any and all laws is a
criminal matter. There are various levels of laws, and most are not
criminal matters. I can break the speed laws and get a fine but no
criminal record, unless of course I harm someone or do it in such a
way that it is clearly
Please post that link, if we all filled out the form, we would get some
kind of recognition.
Jason wrote:
Gang,
Congress.org has a spot to enter your zip and then takes you to a
form to email all the elected officials in your district. I found it
when I was googling Rep Bart Stupak +
The proper phrase is: yeah but, wait right here, eh?
Always end with a question, eh?
Lonnie
On 5/2/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nahh, hippies don't have harley's.
I was wiring at a hippie market a few years back, and this hippie dude,
a real hippie dude, told me that my truck
You probably should have then. Last I checked treason was just that,
which is what the founding fathers did when they declared their
independance from England over unjust taxation (a law) which they
refused to pay (ignored/disobeyed it).
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
J. Vogel wrote:
in BC most say hey
- Original Message -
From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
eh?
I thought it was aye
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
The proper
In Maine, the old time new englander yankees say you can't get theyer
from heyer.
:)
JohnnyO wrote:
in BC most say hey
- Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
aye is a form of yes, as in aye capn highliner. eh is a form of
question, to gain agreement, such as I can do this, eh?
Lonnie
On 5/2/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
eh?
I thought it was aye
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
The proper phrase is: yeah but, wait right here, eh?
Always
Correct, civil disobedience has been used effectively in the past to change
things for the better...and the worse.
There are consequences to those who take those stands though.
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Alan Cain
Sent:
Get to know your local Congressman. Go to the town hall meetings. Stick
around afterward and chat. The meetings are generally poorly attended, and
you can often get a LOT of time to discuss things that matter to you. Get
involved. I worked on the campaign of my local (ex) Congressman. For 4
Um, are you too lazy to use Google or any number of other websites to
find your Congress Critter's email??
Do you know what your zip code is?
Then plug it in here: http://www.rad-info.net/fcc/ (in the
red-white-and-blue box that says Write to Congress).
- Peter
Travis Johnson wrote:
Yes!
The rules apply on a per transmitter basis.
I know that some systems are able to hop around some known channels. I'm
not sure if that extends to 900mhz or not.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
Um, if you make it easy then people will do it. If it's too hard or
takes too much time, people won't.
And, for whatever it's worth, I've already emailed over 20 of my reps
for my state before you even sent this reply.
Travis
Microserv
Peter R. wrote:
Um, are you too lazy to use Google or
As I understand it anyone who runs a router has to be CALEA compliant.
Call the FCC ... these guys will answer your question and call you back:
www.fcc.gov/calea
Or ask a Legal Professional like Kris Twomey.
Chris Savage or KC Halm from Davis Wright Tremaine LLP will take your
questions about
I already did. I write my congressmen about once a month.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:35 PM
Subject: Re:
www.congress.org, I believe.
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- Original Message -
From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA task
Yes! There
Well, everybody gets their Internet from someone else.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: David Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:57 PM
Subject:
That was the Magna Carta.
http://www.odessaoffice.com/constitution/
If you've not ready it, you'd be amazed at the history of it all. Our
constitution is partly founded upon that doc as I understand it.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
Hmmm,
Well during the dial up days, Jokingly, I was thinking about starting a
new internet business. Internet on a disk! . Each week we send you a
new disk. We start you off with disk labeled, beginning internet a-ab,
next week it will be ac-ad. This way the sites will be fast loading and
I thought you ended everything with an eh?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was
My opinion is that you're not helping the big picture by saying compliance
is more than you can handle. The FCC is not going to go out of their way to
hand out more spectrum to providers that can't perform basic requirements.
Just like they're not going to help providers that refuse to file 475
Dear cw,
Thank you for your opinion. I respectfully disagree.
There's nothing wrong with admitting that small local providers can't
afford to comply with the same requirements that big carriers like ATT
can comply with. That's the problem here; small local businesses are
being asked to shell
I believe the feds have secret deals with the telcos so they can do what
ever they want besides calea. Just like I pointed out that fiber att
wiretapping deal in the very first days of wispa calea discussion.
This is where I see the imbalance,
The little guys carry the weight and the big guys
Now even the smallest of operators, whether they are offering wireline
voice, broadband Internet, or VOIP services, can leverage our extensive
worldwide experience in lawful interception, especially from our work in
those countries who for years have required IP lawful interception
states
My opinion then, is that the FCC can get off their duffs and provide
internet to the hinterlands themselves.
There is more to CALEA than having a $500 unix box, and sharing a $7000
turnkey box is not an option unless you are sharing it within a tight
geographical area since response times on
Travis Johnson wrote:
Wow... I got a call today from a lady in Washington, DC wanting
70-80 wireless connections in our area for a 3 month project. It was
just a voicemail that she left, and I don't plan to call her back...
The ATT rep told our saleperson that he was looking for temporary
On the old WISPA website, I had a drop down list that took you to each state
webpage. From those webpages you could find your congressmen. I bet Matt
Larsen would put the zipcode search on the new page.
Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member
You could still use Mikrotik as a Hotspot, but not as an AP with radio
installed.
John
Mark McElvy wrote:
I am getting ready to expand my network by adding a couple of new
towers. The decision I am trying to make is what equipment to buy. My
plan was to use Mikrotik for a BH/AP, but with all
For people that run Netequalizers, they are helping you comply
As promised, NetEqualizer is now offering the utilities necessary to
meet requirements set forth this month by CALEA, or the Communications
Assistance for Law Enforcement Act. This law oversees telecommunication
security and has
Uh Sam, you do remember the 5.4 gig band right?
255 mhz of NEW spectrum, made available last year.
There's also 24ghz and 60ghz available. We just need people building the
new toys at price points that will work for us.
Know what I want? A 15 or 20 meg $1500 to $2000 60 gig solution good
For low cost managed rack mount switches try D-Link.
See http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=2pid=86
-Dee
Alaska Wireless Systems
1(907)240-2183 Cell
1(907)349-2226 Fax
1(907)349-4308 Office
www.akwireless.net
- Original Message -
From: John Thomas
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA
Also, most HP Procurves have lifetime warranties.
John
John Thomas wrote:
If you want something a little easier on the pocketbook, managed HP
Procurves work well.
John
Mark Price wrote:
Matt wrote:
Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack
mount? Hopefully
David,
Regarding your question, the FCC was referring to Retail
Establishments and not Retail Providers. The FCC defines facilities
based as follows:
facilities-based meant entities that provide transmission or
switching over their own facilities between the end user and the
Internet Service
You do have a point on the 5.4 Marlon, although it was otherwise
unsellable spectrum. The power restrictions along with DFS requirements
limited it to something I doubt many would be willing to pay for. Not
saying we can't use it though. I'm eagerly awaiting affordable gear
since it fits my
The FCC wrote:
we conclude that establishments that
acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based
provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet
from their respective establishments are not considered facilities-based
broadband Internet access service
Thank you Jack. I am glad to see someone doing something for their
beliefs instead of kicking WISPA in the chins for not doing it for them.
WISPA is here for all of you to interact and decide what and how you
want to represent yourselves and your industry. Jack knows that means he
can do
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