Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Jeff Broadwick
How could anyone ever get mad at you Marlon?!?! :-) Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I just got back a customer that

[WISPA] Wi-Fi Blocking Paint

2008-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Surprised no one has posted this before. Looks like an old article. http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/hughes/10031/wi-fi-blocking-paint WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
And what do you use to control that bandwidth? Chuck McCown wrote: We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service. And most of them actually get that speed. If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them down. Most are at 768. When the stream or download stops, they go back to wide

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Gino Villarini
The Canopy SM does this ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 9:44 AM

Re: [WISPA] Wi-Fi Blocking Paint

2008-04-23 Thread Stephen Patrick
I wonder if it also works well as WiMax-blocking paint ... == Stephen Patrick Cablefree Solutions Ltd Web:www.cablefreesolutions.com == -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
FTTH ONT pricing (the unit on the house) keeps falling. They are about $400 now. You can put in fiber for $1-2/foot (if you have a clear ROW). The CO end is about $50K/terminal that is capable of serving thousands. I don't know what the pro-rata single fiber COT card is, but I think they are

[WISPA] Can anyone service this area ?

2008-04-23 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hello, Anyone who can service this location ? 1480 Oakridge Farms Road Osteen, Fl 32764 Please contact me off list. Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
A couple quick things: (1) You don't necessarily have them for life. People can change to DISH and a wireless provider and do VoIP over that. Especially if they can save $5/month, a lot of people will change. DISH is $35/month for decent programming. Wireless is another $40/month and VoIP can

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Joe Miller
Chuck, I'm currently working a proposal for FTTH for a 654 unit developement. I would like to know where you are getting these numbers on the equipment. I had one company give me a price of $3,500.00 per unit, and another for $2,800.00 per unit. Please let us know where we can find a reasonable

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Highly variable. TV content is costly. Everyone has different costs for transport. But if you are delivering symmetric 10-100 mbps and the TV and phone are a good value, you will probably lock in the customer. On the telco side of the house, we try to make the system pay for itself over a

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
Panaway. GPON - Original Message - From: Joe Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, I'm currently working a proposal for FTTH for a 654 unit developement. I would like to know

[WISPA] Interesting FCC Testimony

2008-04-23 Thread Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/testifying_fcc_stanford.html Interesting presentation. On Net Neutrality. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
The fiber would be good for 20 years and is the most costly part, but the other pieces wouldn't be good for 20 years... I'd say only 5 years on active components. They may technically work, but they'd be so outdated by then you wouldn't want them anymore. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
I have ONTs that are 5 years old now out in the field and are doing fine. I have class 5 central office switchs deployed that are closer to 10 years old that are still current technology. What is going to get out of date with a GPON ONT? 2.4 Gbps is plenty of bandwidth, don't you think? -

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
We think so now, but is something that came out 5 years ago still good enough? Maybe, though I'm leaning towards no. 10 years? No way. Now, yes, a class 5 would be fine because phone technology doesn't change nearly as much as data connectivity, especially with the Web 2.0 boom we're on the

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Chuck McCown
OK, let me put it this way; how old is the Ethernet technology/protocol you are using? How old is the 802 Ethernet spec? GPON G.984 compliant equipment is the same as IEEE 802 complaint equipment. A spec is a spec. The G.984 spec was ratified 5 years ago. How old is g.707 SONET? 15 years old?

[WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Ross Cornett
Anyone know for a fact if it is worthy to seperate sector antennas on the same tower. Using 2.4 H Pol 16 db We are readying our 31st tower location and I have been asked why do we seperate the sectors . Besides the reasonable fact that if you place 3 sectors on a 3 sided tower at the exact

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
are they the tranzeo sectors? I have the same setup, 16db HPOL and i have them all at the same level on the tip of a Rohn SSV self supporter. Since they stand off a little from the tower i can climb through them as long as I am careful where i step. -- Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Ross Cornett
How long have you done this and have you had any issues with anything at all... All Documentation tells us to seperate them 10 or so due to the front to back ratio? Ross _ Galatians 6:7-8: Be

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Travis Johnson
Separation is always a good thing. The lower the frequency, the more separation needed. With our 900mhz AP's, we do at least 10 feet of vertical and 5 feet of horizontal. Travis Microserv Ross Cornett wrote: How long have you done this and have you had any issues with anything at

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Jack Unger
Ross, In general, physically separate them as much as possible. You do not want the transmitter signal from one sector to overload the receivers of the other sectors. That is a form of self-interference. If you happen to have a copy of my book handy, you can read more about antenna separation

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Jeff Booher
comments inline. On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Not to my knowedge. Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client? Certainly. What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)?

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Tom Sharples
Related question - I've noticed that many multi-sector cell towers have what looks like a single vertical bar located midway between adjacent sectors. I assume this is some sort of passive tuned element that's been set up to reduce inter-antenna coupling and interference, but I have been unable

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Would I be correct, then, that the Alvarion solutions are the Mercedes of the WiMax world? I know I've asked you before, but is 5 GHz on Alvarion's timeline for 802.16 based devices? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message -

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Who have you been getting information\pricing from on the Aperto and Airspan products? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
Who have you been getting information\pricing from on the Aperto and Airspan products? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Clint Ricker
Travis, Just a few notes on the economics of this (and, why I think single play providers are in trouble): The ARPU for triple play is generally considerably above $100 per month, most figures put this around $160 per month on an industry basis. Typically, churn is considerably lower as well for

Re: [WISPA] Future - a brief explanation on diversity

2008-04-23 Thread Mike Hammett
How much does second order improve over none? Cost differences between none, second, and fourth? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent:

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Well this is what I've been doing. For the last couple years I have had multiple secorized sites with antennas mounted at the same vertical level with only 1 foot of horizontal separation and using channels 1,4,7 on 802.11b I am able to get 4mbps to the clients and I am experiencing no problems

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-23 Thread Stephen Patrick
That's an interesting point to discuss. WiMax profiles AFAIK go up to 64QAM So does WiFi 802.11a, g, n Orthogon AFAIK goes to higher order modulation, but are for P2P links where SNR is (or can be) higher - at least with high gain antennas. AFAIK No-one seems to be proposing more than 64QAM for

Re: [WISPA] Sector Placement

2008-04-23 Thread Mac Dearman
Tom, What you are probably seeing is the GPS sync antenna if it's on a cell phone tower. That is what enables them to reuse the same spectrum on all their towers. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Wednesday,