I'm looking for something like this:
http://www.panduit.com/stellent/images/panduit/standard/N%23DPoE24U1X-lb.jpg
It was hard to see in that picture what was going on.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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I have a bunch of Stand Alone 5.8 VL AU gear, I want to make a 12 port
rack mount power supply for it. Has anybody tried this?
Thank You,
Cameron Kilton
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Not if USF is covering the difference.
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Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:24 AM
To: WISPA General
In all honesty, it's turned into quite a scam hasn't it. About is rampant
from what I see.
marlon
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From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF
Just because the government will pay for it in no way makes it a good idea
:-).
Chuck is good at working the system as it exists for his industry. I can't
fault him (too much) for that. I wish I were in a similar situation.
My frustration isn't that USF exists as much as it is that USF is
Its sort of like the grants I get for my Fire Department.
I don't think it is the federal governments place to fund
the fire service BUT as long as those grant programs
are out there, it would be a disservice to my patrons
for me NOT to take advantage of them.
As long as the USF money is there,
Also, as stated by my local telco when they did this, the cost was in
trenching, not in fiber. There was less then a 20% difference between
the copper and the fiber. The rest of the project, digging, trenching,
pulling, was the same no matter what they did.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Blake
The USF is solvent, it not supported by tax dollars and does its job in
getting phone service to every last barn and sagebrush that needs it.
I would say it works better than the mortgage banking industry, social
security or the national budget...
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K.
Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays
for USF???
No, it is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes from
telecommunications companies and is returned to telecommunications
companies.
- Original Message -
From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL
The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not shown any
telephone company to be misusing this money.
And I want to repeat, this
Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between school
districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and provider of
goods and
I think that's a distinction without a difference. If the government
requires the collection of the funds, then it is a tax even if they don't
actually collect or hold the money. The government controls the
distribution of the funds, either directly or through regulations. It's a
government
I'll stand up for Marlon here: He is a veteran WISP'er and I have
never seen him post babble let alone mindless. I worked for a
phone company - it is a racket. -RickG
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chucks business knowledge has proven to be right on so
Use magic jack, ham radio, smoke signals, skype or the post office.
Your telephone bill comes from a commercial enterprise.
You do not have to participate.
Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program.
That is not a tax.
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From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is not supported by a government tax, but it is supported by a varying
fee that a private company charges and the government requires you to pay.
That's a tax wearing a mask.
I support the need for USF, but the situation Marlon describes is crap. I
can't get a landline here for $30 (70
Chuck, so your definition of a tax is if you are forced to pay?
Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public
utility by tax dollars that we all were forced to pay. IMO, that means
that we should be able use it without being encumbered by fees other
than what are necessary to
The phone system was not developed by tax dollars.
It was developed by guys like Art Brothers who hand built miles of open wire
pole lines by himself.
He later got loans from the REA (later to become the RUS) to improve his
system. A program that serves as a profit center for the us government.
Sour Grapes
If you want USF go get some e rate or file to become a telephone company and
serve places like Dangling Rope, Utah.
I see continual whining by WISPS about USF and RUS funds. Folks, you can
get those dollars if you want.
Just like doctors can get medicare dollars if they want to go
Chuck,
Moving off the debate topic a little, I do have an honest question (not
baiting, I promise) I was wondering if you could shed some light on.
Maybe the answer is much longer than can be explained on the list.
How is USF contribution calculated? If I recall, it changes from time
to
Chuck, I was speaking about more recent times, not the origination of
the system and it's beginnings. What I am referring to is exactly what
you said is - Government regulation stepped in to create the monopoly
and to tax it. The current phone system was built out with much
funding coming from tax
The FCC had it right with the Computer Inquiries Acts several years ago. The
telco and ISP functions had to be seperate entities and their could be no cross
subsidization. Somewhere along the time that ISP's and internet became big
buisness, all that went to heck in a hand basket.
Scottie
Reading the post makes all the difference.
I never NEVER said Marlon babbled. NEVER.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
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From: RickG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List
Chuck McCown wrote:
It is like sausage.
...
It is private enterprise socialism administered by the federal govt.
As opposed to what the market will bear decisions we evil capitalists
prefer ;)
Randy
WISPA Wants
The government doesn't pay for anything. WE do the citizens who pay
taxes...
On 10/9/08 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hold your horses there Marlon... the government pays... the government pays
for USF???
No, it is industry supported. 100% of the revenue comes from
The hell it ain't a tax! It is taxing on my buying power! :)
Also, wouldn't it fit in this definition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax
A tax is not a voluntary payment or donation, but an enforced contribution,
exacted pursuant to legislative authority and is any contribution imposed
by
There are three questions that come up...
1) Redundancy
2) minimizing impact of failure
3) Ability to remote reboot.
We had chosen to stay with individual AC Adapter POE systems, for the above
reasons.
The individual AC PS adapter plugged into the AC style Digital Logger reboot
device.
If a PS
Chuck...WE may not cross subsidize, but I bet it would be hard convince
all of us that others don't.
On 10/9/08 11:35 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are still forbidden to cross subsidize.
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From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General
I have got to put a plug in for the SuperRMS. We just installed our
second unit. Just a great box for doing DC power control (or AC if you
want). Pricey, but very flexibile and powerful. Also has temperature,
voltage measurent, alarm contact monitoring, USB port with camera
drivers, alert
I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of
ATT Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for
federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example
http://long-lines.net/places-routes/Lyons_NE/index.html
They must have been either richer
I am an avid ATT long lines historian.
ATT made lots of federal money. Cost plus. Thats
how most of it worked. I own some of the big ATT
junctions that included fall out shelters, blast doors, etc,
as well as many repeater sites.
Those sites were built on tarrifs, that called for their
Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max
power or amperage draw from the Alvarion VLs, and 2) min and max Voltage
tolerance. I don;t have that answer for you. But please share it, when you
find out :-)
The general rule is, you can make a combine POE system to
http://www.cablesandkits.com/cisco-3500-series-port-poe-switch-wsc3524pwrxlen-p-869.html
How about one of these puppies?
Someone on the star forums said they used a cisco 3500 poe switch and it
fired up a 48v wp188 board.
Iirc alvarion vl are 55 vdc
Gino
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From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:42 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL Rackmount
Yes, the first place to start is to determine the Alvarion specs. 1) Max
True, ATT and the department of defense were best buddies. I remember HVAC
systems in the TD-2 microwave systems that kept heaters and airconditioners
running all year long so they could simply mix the air to get the temp they
wanted. Gold plated system. But it was a good system. Part of
Anybody have a ballpark number for the amount if ISP's in the United States?
Or a site I can go find this out?
Thanks.
Mario
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mario Pommier
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] ISPs in US
Anybody have a ballpark number for the
Is there a good way to test how a radio card is performing? I have
several mini-PCI radios, XR2, CM-9, etc, that I need to determine if
they are performing to specification. They are in the office on the
bench.
Mark McElvy
AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
There had been numerous counts in excess of 7000, and some counts as high as
10,000.
That was before we were counting WISPs. I have no idea where this is
recorded factually.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: Mario
Tom DeReggi wrote:
There had been numerous counts in excess of 7000, and some counts as high as
10,000.
That was before we were counting WISPs. I have no idea where this is
recorded factually.
Heck, before you can even count ISPs you have to define ISP. Depending
on how picky you want to
http://www.wispa.org/?p=284
Rick Harnish
General Manager - Midwest Region
Great American Broadband
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I know you're hiding somewhere...
Ping me offlist
-Charles
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ISPCON http://www.ispcon.com/ will be at San Jose on Nov. 11 and 12th.
The WISPA reception will be at 6:30 on Tuesday evening, Nov. 11th. We would
like to get an idea how many WISPs and Vendors will be attending for
catering estimations and other logistical scheduling. If you plan to go to
I'm looking for info on differences between layer 2 and layer 3 mesh
networks. From what I can tell, it's something like the following:
layer 2: manageable via IP address, but you really only control the
PHY/DATA link layer stuff (channels, 802.1Q VLAN tagging, 802.11e, etc)
layer 3: some
Wow. I'm in a presentation on that right now. Haha
Ill send a copy of the slides when I have them.
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I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility near
here to that facility.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: jp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:19
Lyons was one of the power feed stations. Very cool
place. It is now in private ownership - a telephone
collector owns it.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett
I've been through the Lee, IL site now owned by Terry Michaels. Nice place.
I haven't been there in a few years, though. He's got quite a write up on
that one now.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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