Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Bret Clark
We shoot across an airport (the big ones as well) with a bunch of 5.8 stuff, but I believe we needed to get clearance from the airport and maybe the FAA before installing. Otherwise we've had zero problems with interference from their systems. I would start by calling or gong to see the person

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
If your equipment is on airport property proper you need approval to place there. You do not need approval to shoot accross the airport. Now depending on your proximity to air traffic you may experience packet loss but unless your path was where aircraft may park or taxi I would not expect

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd imagine it's on purpose by Sprint to get you to switch from Nextel to Sprint. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:35 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
Agreed But in this case he said they were going on 300' towers on each side and because they were already existing I did not touch on structure construction and FAA Letters of Determination. And I assumed they were existing structures because people don't build 300' towers every day for a

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
This path I'm considering is 33 miles in length and the airport is 11 miles from the closest tower. Both towers are existing structures so their placement is okay but I was concerned when I saw that the path runs right down runway 22R. Sigh. so every plane approaching that runway will be

Re: [WISPA] OT: Wire taps (AC electrical)

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
Jerry Its proibably #6. You should be able to tap at the base of the pole. Usually the contractor that installs the underground cable is not from the same division as the crew that sets the poles. If you still need to tap Brundy makes a T tap that will clip on and do what you want to do. If

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Unless the base of the runway is in the Fresnel zone... an airplane flying through it is only going to cause a minor interruption... maybe a few seconds? I would bet it is going to be okay Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread lakeland
Won't be a problem. Planes will not cause you an issue unless they fly into the tower. I have a link accross a runway at 5Ghz and jets pass through the path all day long without a glitch. And the path is only about 2 miles long. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
As far as I can tell, the FZ is more than good there. My biggest concerns were having a big obstruction moving through it and the RF being put out by both the aircraft and the airport. Before DHL pulled out they were landing a plane every 30 seconds starting around 10 pm and then they would take

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
That makes me feel a bit more confident then. Do they pass through it on approach or cross the runway? The forward facing radar of the plane looking right at me for a few seconds didn't sound good. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Mike
Agreed. Planes flying through the Fresnel zone will have more of an impact on B type modulation than on say G. You might see selective fading because of multipath, but OFDM or some other robust modulation technique will recover from an aircraft on approach at 250 mph flying through the

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
I have a 5.8 link over an airport and a 900ap next door to the airport. No problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur

[WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

2009-09-30 Thread David Hulsebus
FYI. From SANS NewsBites September 29, 2009 Vol. 11, Num. 77 --Judge Orders Google to Deactivate Account (September 24 28, 2009) A US District Court Judge in California has ordered Google to deactivate the Gmail account of a user who was accidentally sent confidential bank information. An

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread St. Louis Broadband
LOL, I don't know about tower climbers, but in MO if you are under 21 you cannot text and drive ;-) Which I think is a great law! V -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [mailto:k...@wavelinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:13 PM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd say I can text and drive better than half the people out there can drive by itself. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30,

Re: [WISPA] Judge orders Google to close account

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
Here is an idea - don't email someone outside such information. Now that you have it still gives no right to offend an innocent person. Simply call that person and ask them to delete it and have Google verify it was done so. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages

2009-09-30 Thread Robert West
Okay, money making opportunity here. Come up with a way of doing a text test like a breathalyzer. They hide the phone, you scan with a device, find the phone, check for recent texting. Punch in some secret cop code, phone talks to the provider, displays recent text activity... blah, blah,

Re: [WISPA] Airports a Problem?

2009-09-30 Thread equip sourcing dept
Robert: I suggest grabbing your spectrum analyzer to look at the active frequencies as planes are landing and taking off. If you're 11 miles away from the airport and you are not stomping on a frequency used by any of the navigation systems you should be fine. I've run into Radar signals in

[WISPA] Anyone resells Barracuda updates?

2009-09-30 Thread Gino Villarini
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[WISPA] WISPCON?

2009-09-30 Thread Jayson Baker
I take it that it's not actually happening OCTOBER 2009 like the site says? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] WISPCON?

2009-09-30 Thread Mike Hammett
I haven't heard anything and Bullit is my upstream. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:06 AM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
I can scan for other devices. In the scan, there is nothing else except my other AP's which are separate channels not even close. -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I haven't used staros so I can't say much about the software.  Can it see

[WISPA] OT: Rootenna/Antenna Enclosure for 3G?

2009-09-30 Thread Gino Villarini
Hello I have bee requested to do some installs of 3G routers with external antennas for Better signal. We could do it with standard yagi or panel antenna for 800/1900 mhz and coax but I was wondering if there where on the market any rootenna/Antenna Enclosure system where I could install the

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Butch, Very good ideas but... 1) Security (encryption is off). 2) I've tried several freqs. Either way, both ends are the same equipment so there shoudl not be a problem. I am familiar with Mikrotik and there is no scan list in StarOS that I am aware of. 3) No mac filtering. Unit is wide open.

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Matt, Are you using the R52H cards on WRAPS? -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: I have a couple of StarOS backhauls that will only work in AP mode in one direction.   This is very frustrating, but I have not been able to find a solution to

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
I've been doing many of my installs this way for years. I really like it. -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Under eave/over eave/facia/tree Can't believe nobody thought of this sooner. http://www.mowinet.com

Re: [WISPA] WISPCON?

2009-09-30 Thread Larry Yunker
Last I had heard, Michael decided that due to the state of the economy, October 2009 was probably not the right time to hold another conference. I know he has interest in scheduling another conference, but the timing must be right to draw sufficient interest demand. Regards, Larry Yunker

Re: [WISPA] waverider vs alvarion

2009-09-30 Thread Jeremie Chism
I think ther are specific issues regarding ofdm and 900 MHz that causes problems. We did everything possible to fix noise and radio issues. We use all tiltek sector antennas with lmr cabling and cavity filters at each radio. We were able to get sporadic speeds up to 8mbps. We did a radio

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:53 -0400, RickG wrote: 2) I've tried several freqs. Either way, both ends are the same equipment so there shoudl not be a problem. I am familiar with Mikrotik and there is no scan list in StarOS that I am aware of. Both ends being the same is not the issue. It is the

[WISPA] OT -- PEO Employee Leasing

2009-09-30 Thread Marco Coelho
General heads up! I've been using Administaff for employee leasing for a few years now. Up to this point they have been ok. They are about a 34% load on your base payroll costs (including 15% SS insurance). The health insurance was not really all that cheap at $1235.77 per month for employee +

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread Tom DeReggi
The idea is great. But I challenge whether that single Ubolt is a very secure way to mount the Dish bracket to the J-arm, considering windload. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Macintosh traffic issues?

2009-09-30 Thread os10rules
Also mDNSResponder (Bonjour) can do a lot of traffic especially if the user has a MobileMe account. Greg On Sep 28, 2009, at 3:51 PM, David E. Smith wrote: e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Someone at one point told me that they seen some versions of Safari that is doing a lot of heavy

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Rick Harnish
Rick, Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? How about vds? Could be vds is set up on one but not the other. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:24 PM

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:39 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? IIRC, cloaking is the name StarOS gives to 5 and 10 MHz channels? If so, this is one thing I didn't think of. Some cards MAY be able to see an AP that is cloaked even if that isn't the client is

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 21:31 -0500, Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 19:39 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: Is the cloaking rate set the same on both? IIRC, cloaking is the name StarOS gives to 5 and 10 MHz channels? If so, this is one thing I didn't think of. Some cards MAY be able to

Re: [WISPA] Brilliant dish mount

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
I agree on that. Heck, I dont even trust grids with one u-bolt! -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: The idea is great.  But I challenge whether that single Ubolt is a very secure way to mount the Dish bracket to the J-arm, considering windload.

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
VDS reads to me like a StarOS proprietary WDS (at least the WDS in MT land) SRC: http://staros.tog.net/wiki/VDS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Cloaking is set to 1x. VDS is off. BTW: Both ends are not exactly the same: The remote (station) is running StarOS v2, the local (AP) is running v3. As I mentioned though, I have another client on it which is also running v2 with no issues. I also have a 3rd client (me) running a NS5. -RickG On

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread Josh Luthman
I see - I stopped at the bullet points. Poorly written document but at least the information is there. Is the other company paying attention... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which

Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect???

2009-09-30 Thread RickG
Butch, You're good! Your comments got me investigating further. The AP running StarOS v3 (which I'm not as familiar with) did not accept the freq I put into it and defaulted to an odd freq. The config page showed the freq I wanted but the status page showed another. I have to go out to the remote