Yeah, I agree too.
However, that does NOT fix the problem. You'll always have the freeloaders.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't do our job.
This is a really big deal. We (as an industry) are blowing this one in a
very ugly way. What kind of an alternative mechanism is there?
I've wondered
Since it hasn't been brought up yet, I thought I'd mention that Patrick made an
immense (I think) contribution to WISPA at Wireless Without Limits. If anyone
signed up that day and at the end of 1 year, they didn't think they earned
their $250, he would personally write them a check for $250
Are we going to see it? It seems to be the only practical solution in 900 MHz.
MAYBE when UBNT has 900 MHz MIMO.
I didn't get a chance to talk to the Canopy guy at WWL.
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I'd contact one of the Mikrotik vendor members.
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From: Jory Privett j...@wccs.net
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 3:04 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] HotSpot
I'm over a week late, but I'd imagine it's just the box(es) doing the
hotspot services, not the access services.
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From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net
Sent: Friday,
I believe if you set it to UBNT, it'll connect to Ubiquiti devices.
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From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:39 AM
To:
No, they shouldn't. Supply and demand. When you have something relatively
few want it, you have to pay the carriers for access. When everyone wants
it, either no money is exchanged or they pay you. That's sort of what Net
Neutrality is about.
Actually, if it were like the phone network,
In the early morning kick their PPPoE session from the AP?
I'm looking to move to Freeside by the end of the year. Would have already
if I didn't go to WWL.
I'm actually looking to have someone make a desktop app that shows them how
much they've used.
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Personally, I wouldn't even think about it. That could get you in steep
trouble with Net Neutrality.
If you bill extra, bill extra for everything.
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From: Robert West
Unlimited water here, it's called a well.
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From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I have unlimited water in my home. $40 per
That unlimited everything plan costs $100 for Sprint and ATT, $140 for
Verizon. You can get a basic plan for $30/month. I suppose I could offer
unlimited transfer at a given speed if I charged 4x as much.
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From:
LOL!Never tell that to the guy with the stuff you say doesn't exist and
doing the things you say can't be done, 'cause he's already got it and using
it.
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From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:24 PM
To: WISPA
Shouldn't be any extra time on billing, tracking, analyzing, the billing system
that does all of the other automation in the company should do that as well.
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From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:39 AM
Personally, I don't consider anything outside of Sprint, Verizon, and ATT a
cell phone company. ;-)
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From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
Sent: Sunday, November
Quite similar to the Pac dishes, although the mounts/hardware may be a
little more robust. We are particularly impressed with the dual-pol
performance. Seems like cross-pol isolation is pretty good.
A bit less impressed with the RPSMA connectors, but we bought a bunch of
LMR-240 pigtails to get
Daily, maybe even hourly bandwidth web based usage history and a running
meter down in the system tray? Then they can yell at the kid for using 5
gigs in the afternoon, who cares if he was there to use it or not Just
like he left the TV on and it used power for two hours. They get billed
Wow, I'm at $160 for more minutes with Sprint on 4 phones and I have full
data on one of them. Though with cell carriers, all have their good and bad
coverage areas.
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Would be nice if we choose what post to reply to especially when the post is.
7+ days old to begin with and been discussed in detail over that time.
Especially when input is just personal opinion and not a solution to a problem.
/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original
This is pretty easy to do. I had a small app I tried out a few years ago. It
would test a connection out and do a few link diagnostics. It also checked a
webserver and would display notices, etc, for reporting downtime, repair
schedules and what not. Overall, it was not much of a hit with people.
That is something the promotions committee is working on. Member only
vendor provided webinars, vendor discounts, etc.
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From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca
And it's going to run on every computer at their house? I currently
have 5 computers at my house, and they call get used all the time. ;)
Travis
Microserv
jree...@18-30chat.net wrote:
This is pretty easy to do. I had a small app I tried out a few years ago. It
would test a connection out
Agreed.
Those that are just now catching up with their list reading should start
with the most recent posts and read backwards if they feel inclined to do
so.
Brad
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
I do #1 now. I'd imagine if I had more growth, I'd do #2. I have other
things limiting my growth at this time.
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From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
Sent: Sunday,
Talking about electric billing in this thread made me think of time-of-use
billing and tiered billing rate schedules for electrical usage. PGE has
multiple rate schedules. The standard consumer rate schedule starts at
$0.115 per KWh and grows to $0.44 per KWh for usage over 300% of the
baseline.
Every time this comes up, I say the same thing. You can't over wireless.
The content owners WILL NOT license it for wireless use. I've tried
numerous times.
Expect to dump about $500k into a real system to do IPTV.
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Faster system if you're on B. Polling type system would help as well
(N-Streme, AirMax, Alvarion, Motorola, etc.).
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From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Sent:
There are MDU systems and then there are IP Headend systems. They are
different. An IP headend system is a cable company in a rack + a couple
dishes.
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From:
I think this is the best route. To hell with them. Your time is worth
money, and when you put up a financial resistance, they'll run away. I
haven't been in this situation, though.
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Mike Hammett
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I talked to someone at WWL that kind of defended the operating under the
radar, not telling anyone anything thinking (government and competitors).
*sigh*
Hopefully the promotions committee will be able to get the word out via some
of the things they're talking about.
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RB493?
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From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:53 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Actually, you're completely wrong. We got all of our networks to agree to
allow us to transport it wirelessly.
The requirement was that we own the network entirely, from end A to end Z,
and that we control every part of it.
The ones that are concerned about theft (i.e. ESPN/Disney, HBO, etc.)
I know you can do it over wireless as a company up north between me and Mark
does it...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
--- Albert Einstein
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:43
That's part of the problem with WiMAX... they're throwing QoS only at a QoS
AND bandwidth problem. WiMAX, that is, not necessarily 802.16d. 802.16d
over a 15 or 20 MHz channel would be just fine.
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I believe I heard that a few vendors had boats coming.
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From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
I cannot believe this.
WISPA has sold it's soul to the devil, and is now preaching the message.
There is NO SUCH DAMN THING AS FREE MONEY.
Taking it WILL result in the feds coming and directing your business,
controlling every aspect.Have you seen the news about TARP and other
bailouts?
Robert left the AirMax conference in Chicago destined for Asia to fix the
supply problem.
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Mike Hammett
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From: D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 5:18
Mikrotik, StarOS, UBNT?
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From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:35 PM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re:
Have you talked to these guys?
http://www.pnptnetworks.com/Userfiles/DavenporttoDesMoines.gif
Linn
VP, Sales Marketing
Pinpoint Network Solutions
402.203.0123
l...@pnpt.com
www.pnptnetworks.com
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I know I've been through this many times, but most people don't even know
what's available in their area. I try my best, but I can't know what fiber
is available in everyone's backyard.
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I'm a big 802.11 fan, but I'm thinking Moto 900 is really the only way to go
until N hits 900 MHz. Just can't get enough capacity in the air any other
way. That said, I don't own any Moto.
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XR3s can be used in the US, though you have to get the right card.
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From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
*sigh*
http://www.ubnt.com/wiki/index.php/FCC
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From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:24 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
30 as he typed would include 256 kbit.
You both probably mean 30... which it also can do, just fine. Even
reliably.
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From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com
Sent:
What I meant to describe was that I have not seen a Mikrotik wireless link
exceed 30 megs in 20 mhz or 60 megs in 40 mhz.
I'll have to do some experimenting. I have a pair of 532s that get 30 megs
and have something like -55 (not even half mile link).
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct:
Use the FCC web site to get the census block (or use Brian's service).
punch the numbers into the Excel file. Done. It took me under a minute per
customer to do the first one that had census block information.
Sure, long ago it was a bit more complicated, but I still filed. They
responded
Agreed. I was one for a long time, but once I wrote the check I decided wow...
that REALLY wasn't that hard.
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From: Jack Unger
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:05 PM
To: WISPA Board Members List
Cc: WISPA General
Only the ones where they'd care about being informed in semi real time of what
their bill will be.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered
Something like the MT RB750 but with 802.11n. Top it off with an easier web
interface which would make basic setup as a home router/AP simple for the
uninitiated. I'm thinking something of quality with the power of a RouterOS
level 4 license to compete with the crappy dlink/linksys/netgear
More and more power companies are starting to do that. The electric grid
has a lot of the same issues we face, though not at as high of a rate.
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From: Tim Sylvester
Don't care about the web interface, but a device to replace the
Dlink/Linksys/etc devices that is a routerboard+routerOS would be amazing.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
Jayson,
Can you elaborate on the contracts and the system you have in place to
provide this?
-RickG
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote:
Actually, you're completely wrong. We got all of our networks to agree to
allow us to transport it wirelessly.
The
A 411AH with a built-in N radio in a nice plastic case would be great!
George
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone
Yes, in my mind, that's is another component of metered billing:
1) Bill by the bit.
2) Bill for premiumbits based upon prioirity.
3) Bill for premium time.
Of course, the trick is having the proper billing package to pull it off.
-RickG
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Tim Sylvester
Is Ubiquiti ever gonna come out with a wireless router?
-RickG
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Don't care about the web interface, but a device to replace the
Dlink/Linksys/etc devices that is a routerboard+routerOS would be amazing.
Josh
Indeed because I have spoken with 4 of the top content distributors and
license shops and none of them CAN. They want to but can't.
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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
According to Faisal's calculations the other day, $0.05/GB works out to $23
and some change per fully utilized mbit/s. That's actually pretty poor for
someone with Amazon's scale. $0.01/GB should still earn a healthy profit
for someone like that.
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Good question. Mikrotik, Ubuiqiti - ready, set, GO!!!
On 11/15/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
Is Ubiquiti ever gonna come out with a wireless router?
-RickG
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Don't care about the web interface, but a
It's still going to be more expensive than the Linksys and Netgear
solutions. They are charging $39 now for a basic 5 port box. If you add
wireless, it will be $59 or $69. We are buying Netgear routers for $22
right now with 802.11g in them and they work great.
Travis
Microserv
For $22? Where and at what quantity?
On 11/15/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
It's still going to be more expensive than the Linksys and Netgear
solutions. They are charging $39 now for a basic 5 port box. If you add
wireless, it will be $59 or $69. We are buying Netgear routers for $22
I think the MT RB750 could sell for less, but I suspect the problem is volume.
I think they could add wireless and compete with the consumer grade junk if the
price was reasonable and if MT was a bit more of a household name. It would
take an easy and intuitive web interface, something for
I just had another install/take over from a nearby WISP where a customer
wanted 4by1 and the MT CPE was doing 4by1 but the router he had would only
do something like ~768 by something less. Took the router out of the
equation (it was all wired) and his PC was doing 4by1. Can't imagine what
kind
Oh my that is insane kw/h pricing. Happen to know what there buy back rates are?
Here I pay .07 kw/h with a buy back of .02 kw/h.
I have thought of doing time rates, but for now I turn down p2p, etc, during
peek times and kick it up at off peek. This worked well till the major push over
to
Do you have any idea why? And, from my reading of FCC documents a IP Video
delivery service is not bound by the same CATV must carry rules.
Why do you say 500k for a real system? As if it costing less makes it not real?
Or do you mean some industry we decide this is what/how you will do it
You have to spend a lot of money getting the rights from the channels - this
is painful.
An alternative is to resell service from a company that already has this. I
believe you must use the feed from that particular company, but I could be
wrong.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct:
Josh Luthman wrote:
You have to spend a lot of money getting the rights from the channels - this
is painful.
I expected this part to take some time. In all honesty the target sites (one no
longer has a coax corp, the other has ONE non OTA channel, so as to qualify as a
CATV sys) is you start
A basic $25 wireless router works just fine for 99% of the population.
We are selling 512k to 3Mbps connections... any router on the market
will handle that load. Even people selling 15-20Mbps connections could
use a Linksys WRT54G and be just fine.
Travis
Microserv
os10ru...@gmail.com
Except for the one that the customer had last week. I don't think the
installer got more then 2 megs peak.
On 11/16/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
A basic $25 wireless router works just fine for 99% of the population. We
are selling 512k to 3Mbps connections... any router on the market
What we *really* want, and would buy a *lot* of is an indoor router with PoE
OUTPUT (or passthru, whatever you want to call it).
i.e. a RB750 inside the home, with integrated wireless (802.11g, standard
power is fine), 4-port switch, standard DC input.
But, here's the wishful part! On the WAN
I cannot comment on the contracts.
As I have mentioned previously, we bought the aggregated content from Avail
Media. They can probably help you.
We did still have direct contracts with the networks though. Ultimately,
they were the ones who agreed to allow us to distribute via wireless.
On
532's don't compare to 333, 433, even 411 on processor speed and ability.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
What I meant to describe was that I have not seen a Mikrotik wireless link
exceed 30 megs in 20 mhz or 60 megs in 40 mhz.
I'll have to do
That would be amazing. Never seen any device like this provide power,
wonder why.
On 11/16/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
What we *really* want, and would buy a *lot* of is an indoor router with PoE
OUTPUT (or passthru, whatever you want to call it).
i.e. a RB750 inside the
Believe me I know :/
On 11/16/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
532's don't compare to 333, 433, even 411 on processor speed and ability.
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
What I meant to describe was that I have not seen a Mikrotik
I don't know. Seems so simple. I believe the new UBNT Nano M's have a
controllable PoE port on them.
At least, that's how I read their site. Haven't toyed with it yet. If UBNT
can do it, MT can do it better. :-)
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
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