Mikrotik, StarOS, UBNT?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chuck Profito" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:35 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > AJ. > I assume you are a wireless isp. My question, what equipment are you using > to provide 15 mg bursting to 20 meg for 60 bucks a month? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of AJ > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing > > As one of those "big guys"... > > We have tiers for data usage both on a Daily and a Monthly rate. > For our base line customers on a $25 a month plan, it's 1.5 meg down with > 1GB total per month bandwidth; 8 bucks a gig beyond that up to 5 gigs, > everything beyond that is covered at a max $70 cap... Designed for VERY > LOW > USE users only... Grandma with email... That's about it... > > Rest of the plans go $40, 50 and 60/mo for 5, 10 and 15 meg connections... > 15 meg is burstable to 20 meg if bandwidth is available (usually 11 pm to > 10 > am local time) > > Speeds are max rated; if a user exceeds 2,5 GB, 4.5 GB or 11 GB for each > plan respectively during the high use period (noon to midnight local time > 7 > days a week), we throttle them down to standard minimum speeds (2.5, 5 & 6 > meg). We don't bill beyond that, just slow them down so they don't snag > the > rest of the network. > > Our "abusers" are profiled as 3 GB combined up/down bandwidth on the 5 meg > plan of 5 GB on the 10 meg plan for more than 15 days out of the billing > month... We chat with them and usually move them up to the next tier... > For > the 12 meg customers, there is no monthly bandwidth cap. > > So overall, it works out to about 50 GB monthly on our $40 plan and about > 70 > GB on our $50 plan... Anything beyond that and we discuss with the > customer > their options... > > We have a completely separate tier of business plans with much higher > bandwidth quotas available at prices that meet the cost of providing the > services... > > It's more geared to keep that 10% of customers from using their services > at > home for a business (against the AUP); not completely against reasonable > use, we just gear the business class service with a matching SLA and > bandwidth quota to meet their needs... > > Can't afford to give everything away... As much as customers EXPECT it, > the > free market gets to tell us the need, however, they're not granted the > right > to make demands and threats... > > Don't like it? Plenty of other options out there... We're the right > product > for about 75% of our customers... We go out of our way to avoid getting > that > other 25%.... Either we're too much service for their needs or way too > little... > > One size does not fit all... > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chuck, >> >> That's the point. The consumer is NOT paying for excessive bandwidth use. >> When bandwidth runs us over $100/meg and one customer uses $300's worth > for >> $50/month there is something wrong. The unlimited bandwidth model only >> works >> when you can oversubscribe the bandwidth. With bandwidth usage climbing >> exponentially, the model will soon break. Furthermore, some educated >> consumers are finally realizing that they are subsidizing the bandwidth >> hogs. They ask how is that fair? >> As far as my Netflix idea, I agree my original idea is probably not a >> good >> solution. I was also a GM at a cable company and maybe we should use them >> as >> a template? HBO, and the other premium channels charge the cable cos for >> the >> customer's usage which we passed on to the customer for a profit. Both >> HBO >> and the cable co makes money and everyone wins. >> Really, I'm just kicking around ideas because something has to happen. >> I'm >> not saying I have the right ideas. >> As far as the phone companies, AFAIK the LECS still have an exchange >> rates >> for calls that terminate on another network. It's just transparent to the >> end users. At any rate, this discussion is much needed. >> >> Thanks to all on this list for their ingenuity which makes this the best >> business field to be in (IMHO)! >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Chuck Bartosch >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> > On Nov 7, 2009, at 2:25 PM, RickG wrote: >> > >> > > In the past, l worked for two electric companies. Their business >> > > models were >> > > dependant on meters. As far as internet access, Compuserve and AOL >> > > had the >> > > right idea from the start. Instead entrepanuers took advantage of >> > > their >> > > weakness at the time. What we are now seeing is the downside of the >> > > $50/month "all you can eat" business model. When usage was low due >> > > to less >> > > apps, it worked fine but were now seeing exponential growth of usage. >> > > Besides that, one thing we (ISP's) are really missing, are agreements >> > > between each other for payment of access to our networks. For >> > > instance, the >> > > phone companies pay each other for access to each others networks. I >> > > realize >> > > this is very complex but shouldnt Netflix (or their provider) pay us >> > > for >> > > utilziation of our networks? >> > >> > I do not see why they (Netflix) should, no. The consumer is already >> > paying you for it. Netflix is not another ISP. It's a "phone call". My >> > phone company does not charge my local hardware store for calling them >> > if they are with a different phone company any more than it charges my >> > mom when I call her back in Minnesota (I live in New York). My *mom's* >> > phone company might charge her for the the call, depending on the >> > plan, but that's about as far as it goes. >> > >> > The provider idea could bite us hard. >> > >> > Note that originally the settlement fees were demanded by the >> > established phone companies to mild the upstart cell companies for >> > revenues. They weren't smart when they started those agreements and it >> > came back to bite them later when CLECs exploited the ideas in novel >> > ways with the advent of the Internet where you could guarantee certain >> > incoming-only calls. But they aren't going to be so stupid as to not >> > think of those loop holes a second time ;-). >> > >> > Chuck >> > >> > > -RickG >> > > >> > > On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Eric Rogers >> > > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > >> > >> I do agree with you and that works if there are other options. One >> > >> customer who was downloading 160G, came from DSL and moved into this >> > >> neighborhood and now wants high speed where we are the only >> > >> option. It >> > >> is only a matter of time before others are using Netflix and others. >> > >> They come in all gaming consoles now. Why not have the customers >> > >> pay >> > >> for upgrades? If there is a high demand for services, the demand >> > >> drives >> > >> growth; or fees stifle demand. >> > >> >> > >> Maybe my logic is flawed, but if 5% of the customer base is >> > >> straining >> > >> the network, shouldn't they pay more? >> > >> >> > >> Eric >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >> > >> [email protected]] On >> > >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:22 PM >> > >> To: WISPA General List >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing >> > >> >> > >> 10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that >> > >> 10% >> > >> customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding >> > >> complexity >> > >> to your network. >> > >> >> > >> Travis >> > >> Microserv >> > >> >> > >> Chuck Profito wrote: >> > >>> Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog! >> > >>> >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>> From: [email protected] >> > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >> > >> On >> > >>> Behalf Of Eric Rogers >> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM >> > >>> To: WISPA General List >> > >>> Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing >> > >>> >> > >>> We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing >> > >> structure >> > >>> with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but >> > >>> they >> > >>> get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I >> > >> don't >> > >>> want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I >> > >>> think >> > >>> they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new >> > >>> applications. I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, >> > >> when >> > >>> the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for >> > >>> expanding >> > >>> the network. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your >> > >>> customers responses? >> > >>> >> > >>> What are your tiers? >> > >>> >> > >>> Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy? >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out >> > >> the >> > >>> letter saying we are doing it and why. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> Eric Rogers >> > >>> >> > >>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC >> > >>> >> > >>> (317) 831-3000 x200 >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> ---- >> > >>> ---- >> > >>> WISPA Wants You! 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