Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson
Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end. They should have said let¹s talk in a couple of months or something. Just means the sales guy/gal was lazy. If they were new or hungry for the sale they would be jumping at the opportunity to

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2010-09-02 Thread Jerry Richardson
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Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Matt
Could a squid caching server accomplish the same sort of bandwidth savings, maybe more due to the fact it is caching ALL the content not just Akamai?  I've never use used a web cahce always had the bandwidth and the problems were not worth it When we had Mikrotik redirecting to squid we saved

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

2010-09-02 Thread Matt
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. What would be nice is if you could just drop your own Squid box in on your network with a wide file size

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett
Then you aren't talking to the right people, or they changed their policy. http://business.comcast.com/ethernet/index.aspx Maria Azada Comcast- Enterprise Business Services Direct: 847-585-0409 Cell: 773-447-8487 Azada, Maria [maria_az...@cable.comcast.com] I haven't spoken with her in

[WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Steven McGehee
Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in the field. These would be in for installs, dispatching, troubleshooting, speed testing, all of that general use stuff. We aren't looking for a lot -- just a GigE NIC, 10.1 or bigger screen (one that works well

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote:  Hey guys, We are looking to get a pair of new Laptop/Netbook computers for use in

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Matt
I am looking for multiple connections to the internet.  We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs.  We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a BGP peer, and purchasing our own IP addresses.  The ONLY other provider in our area is Comcast.  Has anyone worked with them to do any BGP

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett
The CO may not have the right gear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 11:04 AM, Matt wrote: I am looking for multiple connections to the internet. We currently have ATT Fiber and IPs. We want to look at redundancy in terms of becoming a

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Hammett
I was looking at a netbook (and actually uBid borked my auction). 8.9 screen, 8 GB SSD HDD, 2GB RAM, wifi and LAN. Not sure I really need more than that for installs\tower climbing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/2/2010 10:54 AM, Steven

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Steven McGehee
Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks. On 9/2/2010 11:59, Josh Luthman wrote: Dell Mini? Asus EEE? Why do you need GigE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Forbes Mercy
I've been using Netbooks for half a year now, they are so much more handy to carry than a full-sized unit. I have all the diagnostic tools I need on it, the screen is bright in the sun and it lasts the whole day, easily, on one charge. My installer lost one and it was $300 to replace, not

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Who is the local power company in your area ? (Pretty much all power companies have a side division which deploys and operates a fiber network.) Most of them provide services carrier to carrier as such don't advertise too much... The power companies have right of way and as such can bring

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
have you used any of those minis? I would suggest borrowing one for a week first. I get more use out of my Droid then the netbook. There are Android tables that would do better for a pure install type device, namely with the touch screen vs kb and can be cheaper then a net/mini. Net/Minis really

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Are these laptops and netbooks actually capable of pushing 100mbps? Or are you just verifying the gigabit link works? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson
https://primeaccess.att.com/shell.cfm?section=89 The CO has to support it. It is a form of metro Ethernet. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog ­ xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw ­ Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting ­ Tower Climbing ­ Network Support From: Matt

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Kristian Hoffmann
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 11:04 -0500, Matt wrote: We currently have ATT fiber at both our headends used to deliver the Qwest DS'3. We are in old SBC territory. ATT has stated in past we cannot get FastE and our next step can only be OC3's and the loop price is a killer on these. Just talked

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The EEE Seashell 1008AH is fast eth and is not readable for beans in sunlight, not sure about the others. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Steven McGehee l...@qx.net wrote:  Because we deploy 100Mbps+ links. Yeah looking into EEE Seashells -- look good, just verifying the GigE part. Thanks.

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Steven McGehee
I'm not for sure, hard to find much out about anyone who has actually tested that. I believe I have found what I'm looking for though in the Acer Aspire One AO721. GigE, hell of a price, and lots of nice features. If we go with that one, I'll test out that GigE performance and report back.

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Scott Carullo
i like my small toshiba, and before that an hp mini - both are good Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Bobby Burrow
NewEgg has a Hannspree model based on the Intel Atom processor. Ref: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834237001 Bobby On 02/09/2010 11:44 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: The EEE Seashell 1008AH is fast eth and is not readable for beans in sunlight, not sure about the others.

[WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
We ran into a problem yesterday that caused a large problem, and I'm now quite sure that it was assessed properly, as our network engineer blamed it on RIP not working properly and made the decision to implement BGP for routing at this site. Everywhere else, we're using RIP. Essentially, we

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Robert West
I use netbooks up on the towers now. Great for simple configs and tests but I put a full size laptop back in the van because the keys and screen are too small to do any serious work on for any length of time. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Robert West
Oh, make sure if you get a net book that is has a REAL mechanical hard drive in them. Some have a solid state drive and not only do they use more power but they die quicker. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Jerry Richardson
I use a refurbished eeepc that was 179 bucks. I use the Linux OS that came on it and it works great. I really like having multipe profiles that I can switch bewtween rather than configuring the IP every time. Screen is a little tough to see but I know what I'm looking at so I can make out

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Jon Auer
There are ATT sales reps that aren't lazy? Where? I'll take contact info :-) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:    Most normal providers are more than willing to work with you as the contract nears its end.   They should have said let’s talk in a couple of

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread David Sovereen
Have you or has anyone here been able to buy from Comcast? Comcast in our area says we are a competitor and that they don't sell to competitors Dave . ==  MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION  David Sovereen  989-837-3790 x 151 On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Justin Wilson

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread jp
On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 10:52:38AM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. This is

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson
Most telcos figure 8 months or so is the time to start re-negotiating so I am surprised they did not want to start talking to you. We always start making inquiries around that time to see if we can get better pricing. Comcast fiber is not that bad to work with. They will do BGP feeds

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Dennis Burgess
RIP should work just fine, however, there are things that need to occur and work for RIP to work. Same thing with OSPF. So what looks like a RIP issue can actually be a multi-cast issue, or some other configuration issue that may go unnoticed. Something could change, etc. So that's the issue

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
RIP is a obsolete routing protocol, OSPF should be used instead. RIP has a number of flaws and is insecure (well v2 adds passwords). RIP does not handle loops and has a limit on the depth of routers. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We ran into a

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Mike Mattox
This doesn't seem to work well. I am served by ATT fiber from a manhole 2 feet from by building. The fiber has been here over 20 years, plus they just made a new pull this spring. I entered my address, got back: This address is not within 500 feet of a fiber path owned by one of the ATT

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Roger Howard
SSDs typically have lower power consumption than HDDs and, as a consequence, laptop manufacturers are starting to embrace them as optional replacements to standard HDDs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). Jeff ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010

[WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

2010-09-02 Thread MDK
Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. This an excerpt from his published statement: Recent events have highlighted questions on how open Internet rules should apply to 'specialized' services and to mobile broadband --

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Justin Wilson
One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s. Most likely the local plant will run out of copper. Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you. Seen this happen several times. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Providers; OptiMan

2010-09-02 Thread Matt
   One of the strategies we have used with clients in the past is order bonded T1s.  Most likely the local plant will run out of copper.  Amazing how quickly they come up with fiber or something for you.  Seen this happen several times. Just got another full OC3 quote for one of these

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 2 September 2010 14:25, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote: Agreed...there are some old routers that don't support OSPF though. Nortel is one (or at least was). If you have a device old enough to only support RIP, said device should be discarded. Seriously. Get off of RIP and

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Marco Coelho
We send our crews out with the Linux ASUS EeePCs. They have been good performers with quick booting. Order extra keyboards as they seem to be the weak link on these. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. There was a comment to the limitation of the depth of routers, which is not an issue for us. We do not *intentionally* have routing

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

2010-09-02 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send in more posts to keep them from producing rules that put WISPs and other competitive ISPs out of business. It looks as if

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread L. Aaron Kaplan
On Sep 2, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. Sure, if you want to have stable routing loops :)) PGP.sig

[WISPA] Service request

2010-09-02 Thread Aaron D. Osgood
Can anyone service this address? 2616 Five Notch Road Troy, SC 29848 Please hit me off list Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 ICQ: 206889374 GVoice: 207.518.8455 GTalk: aaron.osgood

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't really have anything to do with the operation of my business anymore, it's

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Dennis Burgess
Why not! Point of a routing protocol! J Regardless, RIP is outdated, and if possible you should work on moving off of that! --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Jeremy Parr
On 2 September 2010 16:38, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: We know how to avoid routing loops. As I said before, RIP has been around for decades and I know it well. Our engineer wants to get us into OSPF, which I have no experience with and don't understand. Since I don't

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Yes, there are lots of old things in my head. I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony orchestras in our country, but to quote Leslie Nielson That's not important right

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Ooooh forgot that one useless thing I did...led the team at Oregon State University that developed the implementation standard for Microsoft's Active Directory partitioning replication, over a decade ago...still in use today with several hundred servers. No need to mention the old ccMail

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 13:16 -0700, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I appreciate advice in many cases, but for this one, I have only heard one answer to the question... That is: Is RIP stable? That person that answered said Yes. If the question is Is RIP stable?, then the answer is yes. What

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Mikrotik ethernet routers for larger sites. On smaller sites, we have some StarOS access points (such as 4-port METRO) running RIP. - Original Message - From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:49 PM Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

2010-09-02 Thread MDK
Could you give us all a link to these provisions? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com Sent: Thursday, September

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

2010-09-02 Thread MDK
How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network

Re: [WISPA] RIP vs other routing protocols

2010-09-02 Thread Jeromie Reeves
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yes, there are lots of old things in my head.  I can dig out my old Netware CNE badge, ran 10-Base2, Token-Ring, Arcnet, Apple's PhoneNet, and can hang as a first chair tuba player in any of the top 10 symphony

Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski

2010-09-02 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them are these proposals, from the new Further Inquiry: (E) Limit

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Robert West
EXACTLY! Not for big time BS but for quick, down and dirty diag and config. Was up with one this afternoon. Works just fine for its purpose. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, September 02,

Re: [WISPA] Netbook/Mini for the field?

2010-09-02 Thread Robert West
The ones I have looked into have been an actual ,lie. The SSD use more power. The manufacturers lied about the power consumption in order to sell their equipment. My real life use of the things testify to that as well as many deaths of the SSD drives. They have a read/write limit. They are

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
CHEAP is territorial - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers Been there, done ALL of that. Not worth the headaches. Bandwidth is

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Scottie Arnett
Consider yourself lucky...in the REAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. Scott - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers I have

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Robert West
You got that right. Location, location, location We'll screw you for all we can get unless you can get it cheaper kinda BS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Akamai / other caching servers

2010-09-02 Thread Mark Dueck
I'll repeat the same.. you're lucky if you can get it at 1000/ 6 meg. I pay 1000/ 1Mb here.. it's crazy. On 09/02/2010 10:16 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: Consider yourself lucky...in theREAL rural areas we pay over $1000/mth for 6 meg connections. Scott - Original