Re: [WISPA] Qwest as Upstream
Dittos, but a DS3 via Bandwidth.com Scott Reed wrote: Qwest T-1 from Bandwidth.com. No complaints. Bandwidth is responsive and easy to work with. They handle all the Qwest and Verizon (last mile) issues. Jason wrote: Gang, Anyone using Qwest as an upstream? Care to share the in/outs and your experiences? Off-list is OK. Jason -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and email addresses. I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the larger mail / hosting outfits. Datapipe uses the "Iron Port" appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain. Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this. Regards, JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
You may want to look into IMAP for mobile communications. We have a 3-way bundle we are officially launching at ISPCON that provides IMAP, POP3 and Web Mail. You can use one or all of the services for one price. If you are there, check us out or give me a shout directly. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J WISPA Sponsoring Vendor - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
We don't use Exchane even though it's powerful, way to many holes for the wrong folks. But run a better verion of MTA that has all the bells and whistles. Lot's of users around the globe. Hit me up off-list if you want more info. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email > Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with > our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We > have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost > effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does > anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail > and Direct Push to my mobile phone? > > Thanks > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest as Upstream
Qwest T-1 from Bandwidth.com. No complaints. Bandwidth is responsive and easy to work with. They handle all the Qwest and Verizon (last mile) issues. Jason wrote: Gang, Anyone using Qwest as an upstream? Care to share the in/outs and your experiences? Off-list is OK. Jason -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik or StarOS 5gig AP Pix
I wish I had taken more pictures through my career as a WISP. Does anyone have a picture of a Mikrotik setup on a rooftop with a sector, or even omni ? I need a clean install pic of a small setup like that, for a potential landlord deal here on 5 buildings... We'll be installing a wireless backbone for this company, and using 5 of their rooftops. No more than 1/4 mile between each of them, and signal level shouldn't be much of a problem, so I was planning on using a sector to cover two of the locations and an omni to cover the others. If anyone has any pix of such setups, let me know. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] InterOp/Broadband Wireless World Forum?
I will be attending (though Alvarion is not exhibiting). If you would like to meet up with me to discuss anything or just to catch up, please send me an offlist invitation. I will be there from the early afternoon of the 22nd to the early morning of the 24th, staying at the Planet Hollywood Hotel & Casino. I look forward to catching up with folks if time and schedules allow. Kind regards, Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] A call for open spectrum
Hmm Do we have a real, honest to goodness push to get more unlicensed out there? I know that there will be TV whitespaces, but what about all of the other bands? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Alex Goldman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:12 AM Subject: [isp-wireless] A call for open spectrum For company reasons, you will almost never see me post a link to ZDNet. But Dana Blankenhorn has been covering this industry for as long as anyone I know and he's taking a strong stand, one that might be professionally risky too, for him: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1041 This plan will be fought tooth-and-nail by Verizon and AT&T, and they fight dirty. ** ISPCON SPRING 2007 - May 23-25 - Orlando, FL www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** Get strategic about your wireless network. ISPCON will show you how. ** ___ The ISP-WIRELESS Discussion List ___ To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/archives/ To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. Copyright 2007 Jupitermedia Corporation All Rights Reserved. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Qwest as Upstream
Gang, Anyone using Qwest as an upstream? Care to share the in/outs and your experiences? Off-list is OK. Jason -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Radio / antenna combo
It depends what you wish to accomplish. They both seem to provide the same result but it is the side effects that are most important. The ultimate in high power radios low gain antenna is the omni combo. This combo sprays power in all directions and gathers signal from all directions. This means that you are sending your signal in areas that you might not want and thus creating reuse problems. It also means your receiver is seeing your other AP signals thus you have a lower receive level (due to low gain omni) and you have more noise from other directions. Reducing the 360 beamwidth to 180 gives a 3 dB drop in noise. Moving to a 90 degree sector gives you 6 dB better noise levels, and will usually have about 5 dB or more better signal. This translates to a SNR gain of about 11 dB over an omni, assuming normal noise situations. As anybody knows. wireless quality is ALL about SNR. The really big thing is the high power levels you spray with the low gain antenna high power radios. Also, as anybody knows, wireless is all about interference and if you spray signals where you do not need them, then you are creating interference. P2P is something you should use a large antenna for and turn down your power to keep signals in the -60 dB range. We use 2 foot solid dishes for shots to 15 miles and 3 foot for shots to 50 miles. We use 60 degree 16 dB sectors for our 2.4 GHz AP units. I am totally pleased with the results and we have great -70 dB signals to 5 miles using 14 dB Rootennas, and a few customers at 12 miles with 24 dB grids with -72 dB readings. For Non LOS we use 900 MHZ and 9 dB yagis for both ends. They make a great AP unit and for customers they are nice and small and do not get in your face. If we need more power we get the 13 dB yagi but they become a 5 foot monster and you definitely see them. They work great and when presented with dialup or 5 foot yagi they make the right choice. To obtain LOS you need to remove the problem or go over or around it. The only thing I have ever seen a tree hugger dig out the chainsaw for is wireless. They are so tired of dialup that you hear trees crashing 15 minutes after you point out the ones that are causing trouble. Lonnie On 5/11/07, Mark McElvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am trying to understand if it is better to high gain antenna / lower power radio or low gain antenna / higher power radio. Either combo can get you to max EIRP but it seems the lower gain antenna give you better coverage through greater vertical beam width. Am I thinking right? Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Radio / antenna combo
The lower the gain antenna (less narrow - or wider beam width) the more broad the path it makes. The tighter (higher gain) the beam width of the antenna the more condensed it is or less area it will cover as it is more "focused" to achieve the extra gain in dbi. This is one of those things that you will have to figure out for each new POP you install - as to what coverage you want for the selected area. You are correct in stating that each of the examples you gave will lead you to max EIRP allowed by the FCC, but they are two totally different critters when you get them built out. Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark McElvy > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 12:28 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Radio / antenna combo > > I am trying to understand if it is better to high gain antenna / lower > power radio or low gain antenna / higher power radio. > > Either combo can get you to max EIRP but it seems the lower gain antenna > give you better coverage through greater vertical beam width. Am I > thinking right? > > > > Mark McElvy > > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Radio / antenna combo
I am trying to understand if it is better to high gain antenna / lower power radio or low gain antenna / higher power radio. Either combo can get you to max EIRP but it seems the lower gain antenna give you better coverage through greater vertical beam width. Am I thinking right? Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mea Culpa
I owe everyone on this list a clarification and an apology because I provoked Peter to anger. There are those who believe that getting the person you are debating with to become angry somehow makes a point. I am not one of those people and the only way to prove that is to apologize to him in the same forum where I offended him. Peter, I did not intend to provoke you and I am sorry that I did. Personally I was not offended by your language and never even noticed it until I made a similar mistake on another list and started reviewing posts. To those of you on this list, I am sorry that I disrupted the list and I'll be more careful in the future. Special thanks to Rick who does such an excellent and thankless job of moderating the lists. Michael Erskine -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Mirrored Switch
John Valenti wrote: > One concern I had with these is the temperature rating. Only goes down > to 32 F. But the switches that were rated for colder were much more > expensive and didn't do port mirroring until $300+. But I've had Allied > Telesys cheap switches that are also rated to 32 last thru the winter > with no problems. (think we hit -20 in February) You usually get a big of flexibility with temperature, in outdoor enclosures. In ours, we usually have a router or two, the access point we're using, a switch, and a UPS, and the power bricks for all of the above. Every one of those widgets will put out a bit of heat, which combined will keep the ambient temperature in your nice snug sealed box a bit warmer than the outside. You could go really overboard and put a bit of insulation in there, as long as you remember to take it back out in the spring (so your gear doesn't cook itself in the hot summer). Most of our switches are cheap unmanaged twenty-dollar ones, only rated for indoor use, and they've survived our last couple winters (we've had temperatures below zero a couple times) and summers (we regularly break 100 F) just fine. The only thing I can recall, in my network, ever having problems with temperature is an old Orinoco PCMCIA card that froze up (har har) when we had wind chills of about 30 below. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
We ran Skype from our windows phones. Why? Just to see if it'd work as an internet app! :-) Worked fine. Rich - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Last I checked, 3G systems have horrible latency, therefore are not good for VoIP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Pete Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingul
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
- Original Message - From: "Pete Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. On a windows phone, an operator shouldn't be able to tell if a byte of data sent to the phone is passed onto a tethered PC. Sprint tries to control the software on their phones so that they can (if you obtain windows from Sprint they pre-install a set of their own Sprint patches [and remove key windows networking components] & they only offer a several versions old version of windows). On every computer I own the first thing I do is dump the distributor supplied pre-installed OS and put on a clean installation (distributors pre-install so much crap software). But you're free to run any version of Microsoft Windows Mobile you want. It's impossible for an operator to control the version of windows that a user may run. There's open source bootloaders to install any version of windows mobile that's compatible with your phone. On non-windows phones, there's an embedded phone feature that uses a different NIC value when a tethered PC establishes a data-session from a tethered device. I've seen instructions on the internet for turning off this phone feature in phones (that changes the NIC value), making any byte of data fetched for an external data session indistinguishable from data sessions from the phone. Sprint keeps a BW tally for all data sessions, but the trigger that someone without an unlimited external data subscription is based on extreme download quantities. I used to occasionally use my previous java phone tethered to my laptop without issue. But with a windows phone I now seldom lug a laptop around anymore as the phone is so full-featured. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. I've seen some home-built's on the Internet (there's a public project kit). They're pretty cool. But the latest windows mobile running on any standard bluetooth or wifi capable windows phone can do this. My phone can do this ... no extra cost ... no extra hardware. I wouldn't leave it in the car, but it certainly can make a hot-spot in my bluetooth or wifi radius for other computers using windows ICS. If one wanted a permenant installation, by all means build the public project. While writing this I don't recall the URL, but if you're interested it wasn't hard to find. I suspect you've already seen the public projects. All someone needs to form a business is to build & sell these (if someone isn't doing it already!). The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Maybe you haven't seen the public project I saw. The one I've seen focuses on a car wi-fi hotspot. Look for "stompbox". Try http://www.stompboxnetworks.com/index.html Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (w
Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
I talked to Mike for quite a while the other day. I think this idea warrants some discussion. On the one hand, the idea that we can use the cheap, arguably underutilized 6 gig band for licensed ptmp links has some draw for me. It's also an idea that the FCC has already hinted at a year or three ago (SPTF maybe???). On the other hand, any licensed bands seem to almost always wind up in the hands of people that don't deploy with it. At least not broadband. And, as our "tower" sites get ever more loaded with the access points needed to service customers, many of us will likely eventually move to licensed bands for backhaul. It would be a shame to not have licensed ptp only spectrum available. Well, it could easily become a shame laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "michael mulcay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Guys, As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of us. To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas -- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and 6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing additional interference. Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing additional interference. We believe that concurrent coordination will be "The Next Big Thing in Wireless," leveling the playing field by making it possible for WISPs to obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE 802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially WISPs. Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating Elements. However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that emails of support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or to issue a Public Notice for industry comment. Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or information about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional information you can also visit our web site at www.wirelessstrategies.net. Thanks, Mike Michael Mulcay, CEO Wireless Strategies, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Mirrored Switch
(reply to an older posting, I'm trying to catch up) Matt, I bought some Dell PowerConnect 2708 switches last fall. That is a smaller 8 port gig switch, it was the cheapest one I could find that did port mirroring. About $82 now, go onto Dell's website as small business or the price might go up drastically (under the EDU section, it was about $100 more). The 2708 is smaller, I wanted to mount it inside a box up a grain leg, so that was what I wanted. They have 16 and 24 port versions. All them come with ears for rack mounting. The 24 port one has two fiber ports. I've had one installed at 140' for about two months now with no issues. The other one is in my basement NOC, guess I'll need to move that to my other POP before CALEA kicks in. (ugggh, this weekend! time flies...) - One concern I had with these is the temperature rating. Only goes down to 32 F. But the switches that were rated for colder were much more expensive and didn't do port mirroring until $300+. But I've had Allied Telesys cheap switches that are also rated to 32 last thru the winter with no problems. (think we hit -20 in February) That SMCGS24C-SMART that Ty Carter mentions also sounds interesting. -John On May 1, at 1:00 PM May 1, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The basic parts you'll need are: Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have. OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port. Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Verizon charges $45 USD a month for unlimited web access, using the phone. I told them where to stick it. :D Craig M. Grenier Production TAC Engineer Savvis, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Built to RespondTM This message contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete the message and any attachment(s) thereto without retaining any copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdr crd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: > What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint > contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why > doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is > ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about > $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a > computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's > EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think > those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just > getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 > windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly > as capable. > > Rich > > - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular > > >> oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p >> >> Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
After rereading Mike's post I realized I was mistaken and apologized to the list. Grenier, Craig wrote: I hear ya. It sounds great. Don't feed the trolls =D Craig M. Grenier Production TAC Engineer Savvis, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Built to RespondTM This message contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete the message and any attachment(s) thereto without retaining any copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless What do you mean? I have been talking to him for two months about this. Where did you get that this is an ad? I asked him to post this message to get a feel for how WISPs would respond. He even sent it to me for review prior to sending it out here. I guess I am having trouble understanding why this would be considered an ad. They are looking for support for a declaratory ruling from the FCC on this matter. Mike would like to see WISPA help him on this and I think we should at least consider this. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Sounds like an ad too. :-) Jory Privett wrote: Sounds like a great idea. I only have one issue from what I read here, $500 per link seems high. Most ISPs complain about the $250 they pay now for CPEs. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: "michael mulcay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Guys, As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of us. To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas -- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and 6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing additional interference. Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing additional interference. We believe that concurrent coordination will be "The Next Big Thing in Wireless," leveling the playing field by making it possible for WISPs to obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE 802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially WISPs. Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating Elements. However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that emails of support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or to issue a Public Notice for industry comment. Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or information about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional information you can also visit our web site at www.wirelessstrategies.net. Thanks, Mike Michael Mulcay, CEO Wireless Strategies, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- W
RE: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
I hear ya. It sounds great. Don't feed the trolls =D Craig M. Grenier Production TAC Engineer Savvis, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Built to RespondTM This message contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete the message and any attachment(s) thereto without retaining any copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless What do you mean? I have been talking to him for two months about this. Where did you get that this is an ad? I asked him to post this message to get a feel for how WISPs would respond. He even sent it to me for review prior to sending it out here. I guess I am having trouble understanding why this would be considered an ad. They are looking for support for a declaratory ruling from the FCC on this matter. Mike would like to see WISPA help him on this and I think we should at least consider this. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: > Sounds like an ad too. :-) > > > Jory Privett wrote: > >> Sounds like a great idea. I only have one issue from what I read >> here, $500 per link seems high. Most ISPs complain about the $250 >> they pay now for CPEs. >> >> Jory Privett >> WCCS >> >> - Original Message - From: "michael mulcay" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless >> >> >>> Guys, >>> >>> As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks >>> (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the >>> majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at >>> auction >>> for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of >>> us. >>> >>> To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began >>> research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas >>> -- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and >>> 6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing >>> additional interference. >>> >>> Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart >>> antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be >>> concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing >>> additional interference. >>> >>> We believe that concurrent coordination will be "The Next Big Thing in >>> Wireless," leveling the playing field by making it possible for >>> WISPs to >>> obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared >>> to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side >>> lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE >>> 802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed >>> broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a >>> provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some >>> members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status >>> quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will >>> provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially >>> WISPs. >>> >>> Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the >>> use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path >>> low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless >>> Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service >>> providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal >>> Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on >>> Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating >>> Elements. >>> >>> However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that >>> emails of >>> support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by >>> encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or >>> to issue a Public Notice for industry comment. >>> >>> Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or >>> information >>> about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at >>> Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For >>> additional information you can also visit our web site at >>> www.wirelessstrategies.net. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Michael Mulcay, CEO >>> Wireless Strategies, Inc. >>> >>> -- >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wisp
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Last I checked, 3G systems have horrible latency, therefore are not good for VoIP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Pete Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to "try out" my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 k
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
On May 11, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Pete Davis wrote: The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. Its not mikrotik or starOS, but it is linux: http://www.stompboxnetworks.com/ there are some similar commercial versions of it too. Ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to "try out" my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with t
