Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

OK, here are some real world examples:

5.3ghz 40mhz channel, 8.5 miles.   WAR4/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless 
Antennas.50meg one way.
5.7ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles.WAR2/CM9 attached to 29db PacWireless 
Antennas.   45meg one way (CPU maxes out on WAR2s)
5.7ghz 10mhz channel, 42 miles WAR4/SR5 attached to 34db Radiowaves 
Antennas.18meg one way.
FDD 5.2ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 29db 
Pacwireless/21db MTI panel. 
5.8ghz 20mhz channel, 10 miles X4000/R52H attached to 21db 
MTI Panel/29db Pacwireless  30 down, 30 up

for comparison:  Motorola Gemini Lite (30meg bh) on the same link - 3meg 
down, 3 up

We have several RB532 backhauls in the air, and even with all the 
optimization we can do to them, we never get better than 20 meg in one 
direction.  Replacing the RB532s with WAR2s (266mhz CPU, comparable to 
an RB532) nearly doubles the speed.

On comparable hardware, I have not come across ANY Mikrotik system that 
will keep up with StarOS when it comes to dedicated backhaul.   

Matt Larsen
Inventive Media


Mark Nash wrote:
> 5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles.   WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. 
> Testing beyond each ethernet port.  2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we 
> installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way.  The MRTG graph 
> looked like a solid block without any deviation.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>
>
>   
>> I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both
>> sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets 
>> get
>> real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe"
>> if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg.
>>
>> I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test 
>> or
>> are you in the real WISP world? :)
>>
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>>
>>> 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...
>>>
>>> Dennis M. Burgess
>>> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
>>> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
>>> --WISP/Network Support Services--
>>> +1 314-686-1302
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>>
>>> Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>   




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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Thanks everyone!  It sounds like suggesting an MT-PC based solution to
my new upstream provider would not be productive in this situation.
Sounds like 2000 sessions really requires a serious solution.  I would
not want to suggest something like this and have my customers suffer
for it.  Thanks again.

On Feb 7, 2008 9:43 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is an area that MT has shown considerable interest in as well as have
> several "GOOD" hardware products out there.  The 1000 is going to be a
> contender.  Not as expandable, but with the price vs performance,  don't
> think you can go wrong.  A non MT based product is the PoweRouter 732.
> There are treads on MTs forums that list 2600 PPPoE sessions with one of the
> processor cores on, moving 30 meg of traffic with power to spare.
>
> Plus both of these are industrial platforms designed to compete with Cisco.
> The 732 has a MTBF of 100,000+ hours.  And I bet the 1000 is about the same.
> There are hundreds of WISPs across the world that run MT as their cores
> right now.  I think in the next year or two there will be some serious
> contenders with MT based systems that will rival many well established
> companies, yes like Cisco, and get a decent market share.
>
> The way I see it, the 732, can replace a 20k Cisco for 7% of the price.  But
> as you said, lets not get started on a "yours is better than mine" war.  Not
> the point of the conversation.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Clint Ricker
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
>
> I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik.  It's good for what it is,
> but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility.  It's not
> exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it.  It's
> fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this.
>
> Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with
> something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware
> running Mikrotik.  However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and
> scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way
> to go.  If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco
> (but, you'd pay more for comparable performance).  Price wise,
> Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment
> for.
>
> Plus, you get _good_ hardware.  Not "throw CPU cycles at it and keep
> some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good"; I mean "swap
> out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any
> downtime" sort of good.  Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when   you can't
> get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost.  That's not the case
> in this situation...
>
> -Clint Ricker
> Kentnis Technologies
>
> ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :).  I realize people
> here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes.  However, in terms of
> field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC
> based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under
> relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base
> for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a
> very solid and scalable platform.
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really
> > the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We
> > currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400.
> > Attached is our current CPU usage.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> >
> > rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > > All
> > >
> > > I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> > > working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> > > uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> > > that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
> > >
> > > So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> > > Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> > > a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> > >  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> > > sysadmin.
> > >
> > > Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> > > has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> > > expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> > > installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
> > >  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
> > >
> > > For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> > > suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > > Rabbit Meadows Technology
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ---

Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ

[Tom DeReggi]

What this author so quickly forgets is, Spectrum is to serve the public 
interest not the treasury's pocket.
And the Public pays more, when the providers pay more for spectrum.
The auctiioon clearly will be a victory, if it means more than one or tow 
big companies get a peice.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ


>
> REVIEW & OUTLOOK
>
> Purblind Auction
> February 7, 2008; Page A18
>
> The Federal Communications Commission is bragging about its latest 
> wireless
> auction, with total bids of more than $19 billion after two weeks. But dig
> beneath those numbers and the picture is less rosy.
>
> This wireless "spectrum" is on the market because of the transition to
> digital television broadcast. As of February 17, 2009, TVs without digital
> tuners or cable or satellite hook-ups will go dark, and a big swath of the
> airwaves will be free for other uses. This spectrum can transmit data over
> long distances and penetrates walls much better than most current wireless
> phone spectrum.
> [Kevin Martin]
>
> But FCC Chairman Kevin Martin wasn't content to sell this real estate to 
> the
> highest bidder. Instead, he embarked on a central-planning experiment,
> setting aside the two biggest blocks for special uses. The FCC's 
> procedures
> require blind, confidential bidding, so there is much about the auction 
> that
> we won't know until it wraps up. But it already seems clear that Mr.
> Martin's rules have damaged the value of otherwise choice spectrum and are
> harming the overall auction.
>
> For example, the FCC restricted the single biggest spectrum license for a
> public-private "public safety" partnership. The idea was that someone 
> would
> buy it to create a nationwide network for "first responders" -- fire and
> police departments and the like -- with secondary use as a commercial
> wireless network. But the main lobbyist for that spectrum, former FCC
> Chairman Reed Hundt's Frontline Wireless, closed up shop before the 
> auction
> began. So far, this so-called "D block" of spectrum has attracted exactly
> one bid in 40 rounds, and that bid is less than $500 million -- well below
> the FCC's $1.3 billion reserve price.
>
> The FCC designated the next-biggest block -- the "C block" -- for "open
> access" at the urging of Google, among others. The C block is not only
> large, but it divides the country into eight large regional groups, with 
> the
> possibility of bidding on all eight as a package. It should be a top 
> prize.
> But it only passed its $4.6 billion reserve price late last week, and the
> reason is almost certainly the FCC's "open access" rule. That rule 
> requires
> whoever wins to open the network to all compatible phones or software. If
> you're spending billions on spectrum and billions more building the 
> network,
> the fact that the feds might force you to share your network means greater
> investment risk.
>
> The bidding bears this out. Of the $19 billion bid so far, nearly
> three-quarters has gone toward the smaller bits of spectrum in the A, B 
> and
> E blocks. Building a national network by cobbling together hundreds of 
> these
> bits is inefficient and risky, and it doesn't serve consumers, who would 
> get
> faster service and more flexibility from the larger blocks.
>
> But there's more. The FCC made these small blocks to encourage start-ups 
> and
> new entrants to bid for a piece of the next-generation wireless pie. If 
> the
> conditions placed on the C and D blocks are driving the big established
> players into the smaller auctions, then the new, little guys may well be
> playing in the same sandbox with the big, bad incumbents.
>
> The FCC's previous experiments with rigging auctions also flopped; witness
> the NextWave bankruptcy, which tied up billions of dollars of spectrum for
> years. Mr. Martin will claim victory in the auction no matter what 
> happens.
> But what we'll never know is how much would have been bid -- and thus how
> much more the Treasury would have received -- if Mr. Martin had auctioned
> this spectrum without his favors for special interests attached.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> Sales Manager, ImageStream
> 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can)
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> +1 574-935-8488   (Fax)
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Blake Bowers]

Even some of the old AT&T towers were knocked
down by tornados.  Bloomfield MO, Huntsville AR
were a couple.


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To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Tornado


>I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
>
> You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but 
> I
> have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi 
> story
> building.  Does this happen?
>
> Walter
>
>
> Walter W.  Stumpf Jr.
> Xanadu Group Inc.
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> fax  775-667-1995
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

This is an area that MT has shown considerable interest in as well as have
several "GOOD" hardware products out there.  The 1000 is going to be a
contender.  Not as expandable, but with the price vs performance,  don't
think you can go wrong.  A non MT based product is the PoweRouter 732.
There are treads on MTs forums that list 2600 PPPoE sessions with one of the
processor cores on, moving 30 meg of traffic with power to spare.   

Plus both of these are industrial platforms designed to compete with Cisco.
The 732 has a MTBF of 100,000+ hours.  And I bet the 1000 is about the same.
There are hundreds of WISPs across the world that run MT as their cores
right now.  I think in the next year or two there will be some serious
contenders with MT based systems that will rival many well established
companies, yes like Cisco, and get a decent market share.  

The way I see it, the 732, can replace a 20k Cisco for 7% of the price.  But
as you said, lets not get started on a "yours is better than mine" war.  Not
the point of the conversation.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Clint Ricker
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik.  It's good for what it is,
but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility.  It's not
exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it.  It's
fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this.

Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with
something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware
running Mikrotik.  However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and
scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way
to go.  If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco
(but, you'd pay more for comparable performance).  Price wise,
Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment
for.

Plus, you get _good_ hardware.  Not "throw CPU cycles at it and keep
some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good"; I mean "swap
out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any
downtime" sort of good.  Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when   you can't
get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost.  That's not the case
in this situation...

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :).  I realize people
here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes.  However, in terms of
field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC
based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under
relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base
for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a
very solid and scalable platform.


On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really
> the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We
> currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400.
> Attached is our current CPU usage.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > All
> >
> > I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> > working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> > uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> > that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
> >
> > So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> > Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> > a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> >  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> > sysadmin.
> >
> > Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> > has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> > expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> > installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
> >  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
> >
> > For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> > suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
> >
> > Marshall
> > Rabbit Meadows Technology
> >
> >
> >


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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Mark Nash]

5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles.   WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. 
Testing beyond each ethernet port.  2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we 
installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way.  The MRTG graph 
looked like a solid block without any deviation.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS


>I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both
> sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets 
> get
> real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe"
> if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg.
>
> I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test 
> or
> are you in the real WISP world? :)
>
>
> Mac
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>
>> 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...
>>
>> Dennis M. Burgess
>> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
>> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
>> --WISP/Network Support Services--
>> +1 314-686-1302
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>
>> Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>>
>>
>> >I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router & wireless
>> AP,
>> > due to the interface and ease of configuration.  IP addresses, IP
>> routes,
>> > bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to
>> configure
>> > in
>> > the Mikrotik interface.
>> >
>> > That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in
>> StarOS... I'm
>> > blown away.  Massive throughput & seriously low latency.  We've
>> configured
>>
>> > a
>> > pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that
>> has
>> > been pulling 70megs aggregate.  There was a comment about how
>> expensive
>> > the
>> > boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all.
>> >
>> > Mark Nash
>> > UnwiredWest
>> > 78 Centennial Loop
>> > Suite E
>> > Eugene, OR 97401
>> > 541-998-
>> > 541-998-5599 fax
>> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>> >
>> >
>> >>I won't hold you to it mac.
>> >> As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios
>> involved
>> >> bridging works perfectly.
>> >> I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP
>> shots
>> >> that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my
>> >> network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no
>> flakey
>> >> weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's
>> >> routed.
>> >>
>> >> Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188
>> 533MHz 4
>> >> port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a
>> >> weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that
>> >> board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00.
>> >> He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap.
>> >>
>> >> And it's 100% FCC certified.
>> >>
>> >> I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you
>> what
>> >> we have.
>> >>
>> >> George
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mac Dearman wrote:
>> >>>   Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very "super"
>> >>> reliable
>> >>> huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you
>> are
>> >>> counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS
>> is not
>> >>> an
>> >>> option.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mac
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
>>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
>>  Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE
>> solution
>>  to StarOS?
>> 
>>  Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have
>> everyone
>>  add their th

Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Scott Lambert]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 04:22:19PM -0800, rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> sysadmin.

Redback should be good stuff, if they didn't get one that someone drug
out of a dumpster.

> Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions
> and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> installed handle something like this???  Butch? or other MT experts?
> Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?

I have heard of 8,000 sessions terminated on a Cisco 7200VXR with an
NPE-G1.

I currently have just over 1,700 PPPoEoATM sessions on our used VXR
doing about 28Mbps of DSL traffic and our backhaul running about 50Mbps
for all of our services (DSL/Wireless/Hosting/Dialup) and it's not
working hard.

To do that on a PC, with as high an expectation of reliability, I'd
probably have spent close to the same amount of money to get high grade,
highly redundant parts.

-- 
Scott LambertKC5MLE   Unix SysAdmin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Clint Ricker]

Also, if you need help with Redback, just ask around.  There's a lot
of people with a lot of experience with those guys.  Faisal from
SnappyDSL who posted earlier could point you in the right direction
and hook you up with plenty of spare hardware and setup information if
desired.

Clint Ricker
-Kentis Technologies

On Feb 7, 2008 10:24 PM, Clint Ricker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik.  It's good for what it is,
> but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility.  It's not
> exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it.  It's
> fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this.
>
> Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with
> something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware
> running Mikrotik.  However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and
> scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way
> to go.  If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco
> (but, you'd pay more for comparable performance).  Price wise,
> Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment
> for.
>
> Plus, you get _good_ hardware.  Not "throw CPU cycles at it and keep
> some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good"; I mean "swap
> out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any
> downtime" sort of good.  Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when   you can't
> get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost.  That's not the case
> in this situation...
>
> -Clint Ricker
> Kentnis Technologies
>
> ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :).  I realize people
> here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes.  However, in terms of
> field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC
> based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under
> relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base
> for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a
> very solid and scalable platform.
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really
> > the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We
> > currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400.
> > Attached is our current CPU usage.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> >
> > rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > > All
> > >
> > > I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> > > working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> > > uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> > > that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
> > >
> > > So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> > > Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> > > a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> > >  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> > > sysadmin.
> > >
> > > Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> > > has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> > > expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> > > installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
> > >  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
> > >
> > > For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> > > suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > > Rabbit Meadows Technology
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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Clint Ricker]

I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik.  It's good for what it is,
but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility.  It's not
exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it.  It's
fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this.

Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with
something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware
running Mikrotik.  However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and
scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way
to go.  If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco
(but, you'd pay more for comparable performance).  Price wise,
Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment
for.

Plus, you get _good_ hardware.  Not "throw CPU cycles at it and keep
some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good"; I mean "swap
out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any
downtime" sort of good.  Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when   you can't
get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost.  That's not the case
in this situation...

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :).  I realize people
here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes.  However, in terms of
field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC
based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under
relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base
for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a
very solid and scalable platform.


On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really
> the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We
> currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400.
> Attached is our current CPU usage.
>
>
>
> -Eric
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > All
> >
> > I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> > working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> > uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> > that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
> >
> > So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> > Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> > a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> >  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> > sysadmin.
> >
> > Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> > has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> > expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> > installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
> >  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
> >
> > For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> > suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
> >
> > Marshall
> > Rabbit Meadows Technology
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We did a 18 mile shot, dual n-stream with pre-release v3 dual pol antennas,
and got 35meg with -70 or so.   

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:09 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both
sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get
real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe"
if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. 

 I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or
are you in the real WISP world? :)


Mac







> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...
> 
> Dennis M. Burgess
> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
> --WISP/Network Support Services--
> +1 314-686-1302
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.
> 
> 
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> 
> >I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router & wireless
> AP,
> > due to the interface and ease of configuration.  IP addresses, IP
> routes,
> > bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to
> configure
> > in
> > the Mikrotik interface.
> >
> > That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in
> StarOS... I'm
> > blown away.  Massive throughput & seriously low latency.  We've
> configured
> 
> > a
> > pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that
> has
> > been pulling 70megs aggregate.  There was a comment about how
> expensive
> > the
> > boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> >
> >
> >>I won't hold you to it mac.
> >> As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios
> involved
> >> bridging works perfectly.
> >> I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP
> shots
> >> that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my
> >> network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no
> flakey
> >> weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's
> >> routed.
> >>
> >> Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188
> 533MHz 4
> >> port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a
> >> weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that
> >> board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00.
> >> He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap.
> >>
> >> And it's 100% FCC certified.
> >>
> >> I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you
> what
> >> we have.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> Mac Dearman wrote:
> >>>   Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very "super"
> >>> reliable
> >>> huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you
> are
> >>> counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS
> is not
> >>> an
> >>> option.
> >>>
> >>> Mac
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
>  Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE
> solution
>  to StarOS?
> 
>  Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have
> everyone
>  add their thoughts...
> 
>  Mikrotik features:
>  graphical user interface (Winbox)
>  more features (Torch, etc)
>  more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.)
>  Nstreme protocol
>  very reliable
> 
>  StarOS features:
>  FCC certified CPE
>  lower price
>  'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single
>  change, such as frequency)
>  OLSR

Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

We have tested 2600 PPPoE sessions with a PoweRouter 732.  This with ONE
core on only..  Plus, it includes 7 GigE interfaces.  Rackmount etc..

Dennis

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

All

I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)

So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
 I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
sysadmin.

Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
 Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?

For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
suggestions are greatly appreciated!!

Marshall
Rabbit Meadows Technology




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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Eric Muehleisen]

Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really 
the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We 
currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400. 
Attached is our current CPU usage.



-Eric

rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> All
>
> I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
>
> So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
>  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> sysadmin.
>
> Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
>  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
>
> For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
>
> Marshall
> Rabbit Meadows Technology
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[rabbtux rabbtux]

What kind of hardware platform?

On Feb 7, 2008 5:22 PM, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We use Mikrotik for like 600+ users per router.  I heard Imagestream
> is very good as well.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2008 6:22 PM, rabbtux rabbtux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All
> >
> > I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> > working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> > uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> > that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
> >
> > So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> > Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> > a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
> >  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> > sysadmin.
> >
> > Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> > has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> > expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> > installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
> >  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
> >
> > For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> > suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
> >
> > Marshall
> > Rabbit Meadows Technology
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Matt]

We use Mikrotik for like 600+ users per router.  I heard Imagestream
is very good as well.

Matt

On Feb 7, 2008 6:22 PM, rabbtux rabbtux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All
>
> I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
> working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
> uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
> that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)
>
> So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
> Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
> a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
>  I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
> sysadmin.
>
> Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
> has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
> expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
> installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
>  Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?
>
> For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
> suggestions are greatly appreciated!!
>
> Marshall
> Rabbit Meadows Technology
>
>



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Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Redback routers are very very good at what they do (PPPoX subscriber
aggregation)
I am not aware of something equivalent in the PC / OpenSource world.

Not to side step your question, but what kind of Hardware Failure is causing
the 'emergency'.

We use Redback routers for our DSL subs, and have plenty of spare equipment
on hand. It that can help you any, please feel free to contact me.

Regards 


Faisal Imtiaz
Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net
Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

All

I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm working
with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)

So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback
router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware
upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
 I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
sysadmin.

Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has
full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but
would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle
something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
 Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?

For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any suggestions are
greatly appreciated!!

Marshall
Rabbit Meadows Technology




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[WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?

[rabbtux rabbtux]

All

I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider.  I'm
working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that
uses pppoe tunnels for virtually  all end user connections.   ( I know
that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment)

So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used
Redback router.  First there were problems that were to be solved with
a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare.
 I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their
sysadmin.

Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and
has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe
expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW
installed handle something like this???  Butch?  or other MT experts?
 Or is this requirement way out of the MT league?

For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly!  Any
suggestions are greatly appreciated!!

Marshall
Rabbit Meadows Technology



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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Larry Strittmatter]

For some close-ups scroll down the page and click on any of the images, this
is what we walked into.

 http://www.computeam.com/services/disaster_recovery/

We had to recover equipment for several of our IT clients.

Larry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:23 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado

A quick search on the tornado that ripped through Fort Worth came up with
this:

http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/tornado.htm

I was standing outside watching the sky when this happened.  The tornado
touched down about 2 miles east of me...really was a mess.  Pictures don't
do it justice.

Best,


Brad




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:52 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado

Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local.
 
How about multi story buildings?  We do see leveled homes, but I have  never

seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled.   Does it 
happen/has it happened?  

Walter

>>>
>>> -- Original Message  --
>>> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List  
>>> Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25  EST
>>>
>>>
 I have a question for someone in the 'T'  zones.

 You see the destructive force of  them and how devastating they can 
 be but I have never  seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting 
 tower or a  multi story building.  Does this  happen?

  Walter


 Walter  W.  Stumpf Jr.
 Xanadu Group Inc.
  179 Statesville Quarry Road
 Lafayette NJ  07848-3128  USA
 973-702-3899
 fax   775-667-1995





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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Mac Dearman]

I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both
sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get
real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and "maybe"
if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. 

 I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or
are you in the real WISP world? :)


Mac







> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...
> 
> Dennis M. Burgess
> Mikrotik Certified Consultant
> Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
> --WISP/Network Support Services--
> +1 314-686-1302
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.
> 
> 
> --
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
> 
> >I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router & wireless
> AP,
> > due to the interface and ease of configuration.  IP addresses, IP
> routes,
> > bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to
> configure
> > in
> > the Mikrotik interface.
> >
> > That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in
> StarOS... I'm
> > blown away.  Massive throughput & seriously low latency.  We've
> configured
> 
> > a
> > pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that
> has
> > been pulling 70megs aggregate.  There was a comment about how
> expensive
> > the
> > boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all.
> >
> > Mark Nash
> > UnwiredWest
> > 78 Centennial Loop
> > Suite E
> > Eugene, OR 97401
> > 541-998-
> > 541-998-5599 fax
> > http://www.unwiredwest.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> >
> >
> >>I won't hold you to it mac.
> >> As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios
> involved
> >> bridging works perfectly.
> >> I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP
> shots
> >> that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my
> >> network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no
> flakey
> >> weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's
> >> routed.
> >>
> >> Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188
> 533MHz 4
> >> port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a
> >> weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that
> >> board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00.
> >> He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap.
> >>
> >> And it's 100% FCC certified.
> >>
> >> I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you
> what
> >> we have.
> >>
> >> George
> >>
> >>
> >> Mac Dearman wrote:
> >>>   Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very "super"
> >>> reliable
> >>> huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you
> are
> >>> counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS
> is not
> >>> an
> >>> option.
> >>>
> >>> Mac
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
>  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
>  Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE
> solution
>  to StarOS?
> 
>  Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have
> everyone
>  add their thoughts...
> 
>  Mikrotik features:
>  graphical user interface (Winbox)
>  more features (Torch, etc)
>  more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.)
>  Nstreme protocol
>  very reliable
> 
>  StarOS features:
>  FCC certified CPE
>  lower price
>  'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single
>  change, such as frequency)
>  OLSR feature
>  VoIP priority with minimal config
>  200 CPE per wireless card (capable)
> 
>  Travis
>  Microserv
> 
> 
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[WISPA] FW: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 3, 2008)

[Mac Dearman]

 

 

 

From: FCC477 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:03 PM
To: FCC 477 Contact
Subject: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 3, 2008)

 

Good afternoon,
Since you were the contact person on a previous FCC Form 477 semi-annual
filing, you are receiving this courtesy reminder about the upcoming filing,
which is due no later than March 3, 2008.  If you are not responsible for
the upcoming Form 477 filing, we will appreciate you forwarding this message
to the person in your organization who is responsible for completing this
form.  If your filing due March 3rd has already been submitted to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], please disregard this reminder. 


The form required for this filing is at

http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477.xls and the detailed reporting
instructions are at http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf.  The
required Certification Statement is at
http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/form477/certificationstatement.pdf or can be
found on page 14 of the instructions file.  A set of frequently asked
questions (FAQs) is available at

http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html.  

 

IMPORTANT REMINDERS FOR FCC FORM 477 FILERS:

 

1)  If you do not see your "holding company" name listed within the
drop-down list for Cover Page question #3 or if your holding company name
has changed or edits need to be made to the holding company name, please
contact Suzanne Mendez via email at  
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2)  For spreadsheet rows where you are reporting data in Form 477 column
(a), please be sure to completely answer all the other Form 477 questions
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I.A and in Part II of the form - placing a 0% in data cells where a zero
applies versus leaving that data cell blank.  But keep in mind that you may
leave the entire row blank if the correct answer to Form 477 column (a) is
zero.

 

3)   If a revised Form 477 is submitted after the filing due date of March
3, 2008, it should not show "Original Filing" as the answer to Cover Page
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Brad Belton]

A quick search on the tornado that ripped through Fort Worth came up with
this:

http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/tornado.htm

I was standing outside watching the sky when this happened.  The tornado
touched down about 2 miles east of me...really was a mess.  Pictures don't
do it justice.

Best,


Brad




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:52 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado

Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local.
 
How about multi story buildings?  We do see leveled homes, but I have  never

seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled.   Does it 
happen/has it happened?  

Walter

>>>
>>> -- Original Message  --
>>> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List  
>>> Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25  EST
>>>
>>>
 I have a question for someone in the 'T'  zones.

 You see the destructive force of  them and how devastating they can 
 be but I have never  seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting 
 tower or a  multi story building.  Does this  happen?

  Walter


 Walter  W.  Stumpf Jr.
 Xanadu Group Inc.
  179 Statesville Quarry Road
 Lafayette NJ  07848-3128  USA
 973-702-3899
 fax   775-667-1995





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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Jack Unger]

Who is the the strongest? Is it Man or is it Mother Nature?


http://www.esri.com/news/arcnews/spring01articles/spring01gifs/p20p2.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2000/photos/w329banktor1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2000/wtorn328a.htm&h=249&w=199&sz=27&hl=en&start=356&tbnid=2_P4skpBUnU6dM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtornado%2Bdamage%26start%3D336%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2000/photos/w329banktor1.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/44/190036339_262ac2d690.jpg



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local.
>  
> How about multi story buildings?  We do see leveled homes, but I have  never 
> seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled.   Does it 
> happen/has it happened?  
>
> Walter
>
>   
 -- Original Message  --
 From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List  
 Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25  EST


 
> I have a question for someone in the 'T'  zones.
>
> You see the destructive force of  them and how devastating they can 
> be but I have never  seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting 
> tower or a  multi story building.  Does this  happen?
>
>  Walter
>
>
> Walter  W.  Stumpf Jr.
> Xanadu Group Inc.
>  179 Statesville Quarry Road
> Lafayette NJ  07848-3128  USA
> 973-702-3899
> fax   775-667-1995
>
>   
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[WWS2]

Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local.
 
How about multi story buildings?  We do see leveled homes, but I have  never 
seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled.   Does it 
happen/has it happened?  

Walter

>>>
>>> -- Original Message  --
>>> From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List  
>>> Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25  EST
>>>
>>>
 I have a question for someone in the 'T'  zones.

 You see the destructive force of  them and how devastating they can 
 be but I have never  seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting 
 tower or a  multi story building.  Does this  happen?

  Walter


 Walter  W.  Stumpf Jr.
 Xanadu Group Inc.
  179 Statesville Quarry Road
 Lafayette NJ  07848-3128  USA
 973-702-3899
 fax   775-667-1995





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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc]

Just a FYI, remember the red cross was down helping people who were
protesting that trail .  They were giving water, food, shelter, and medical
treatment to those who showed up to "PROTEST" .  I understand the right to
protest.  Great.  But why is the "Red Cross" helping these people.  Its like
them helping us cause we showed up at ISPCON!  

I know a number of people who donate Tens of Thousands per year, STOP
because of this.  

Dennis M. Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
--WISP/Network Support Services--
+1 314-686-1302


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado

Sometimes the Red Cross is not much better.


On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

> Without getting political...I'm not sure government is the right  
> vehicle for
> this sort of job...no matter who is running the show.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be  
> focused on
> meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm  
> sure that
> the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists from
> potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble.
>
> I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to  
> be a more
> compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for that
> mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the  
> real human
> needs that people have.
>
> jack
>
>
> Mark Williams wrote:
>> Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday...
>>
>> There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies.
>> Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups
>> w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food /
>> water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance.
>>
>> The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would
>> NOT allow assistance efforts to happen.
>> A phrase was coined ... that "the government is more focused on
>> protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the
>> coordination of REAL assistance and aid."
>>
>> Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response.
>> They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort!
>>
>> Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR.
>> I nearly lost it.
>>
>> For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are
>> literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked  
>> and
>> rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina
>> victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as  
>> easy
>> as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of  
>> trucks to
>> drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to
>> Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their
>> response.
>>
>> I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the  
>> American
>> Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY
>> clearly not alive in our gov't.
>>
>> The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be
>> disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent
>> and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt
>> will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times.
>>
>>  Something needs to be done about this...
>>
>> God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change
>> rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no
>> interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts.
>>
>> -Mark Williams
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County  
>>> Tennessee
> area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but  
> have not
> entered that market with our wireless yet.
>>>
>>> Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles  
>>> or more
> without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at  
> an F2 this
> morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been  
> restored
> as of late last night.
>>>
>>> Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart  
>>> and
> prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this  
> type of
> tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared  
> to see it
> hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Bob Moldashel]

Was this tower guyed???   How tall is/was it???

Nice site install though



On Feb 7, 2008, at 3:10 PM, David E. Smith wrote:

> Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures.
>
> http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG
>
> (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes,  
> as far as I know, "just" 50-60mph winds.)
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Bob Moldashel]

Sometimes the Red Cross is not much better.


On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:

> Without getting political...I'm not sure government is the right  
> vehicle for
> this sort of job...no matter who is running the show.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jack Unger
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:00 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be  
> focused on
> meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm  
> sure that
> the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists from
> potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble.
>
> I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to  
> be a more
> compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for that
> mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the  
> real human
> needs that people have.
>
> jack
>
>
> Mark Williams wrote:
>> Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday...
>>
>> There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies.
>> Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups
>> w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food /
>> water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance.
>>
>> The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would
>> NOT allow assistance efforts to happen.
>> A phrase was coined ... that "the government is more focused on
>> protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the
>> coordination of REAL assistance and aid."
>>
>> Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response.
>> They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort!
>>
>> Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR.
>> I nearly lost it.
>>
>> For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are
>> literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked  
>> and
>> rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina
>> victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as  
>> easy
>> as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of  
>> trucks to
>> drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to
>> Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their
>> response.
>>
>> I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the  
>> American
>> Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY
>> clearly not alive in our gov't.
>>
>> The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be
>> disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent
>> and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt
>> will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times.
>>
>>  Something needs to be done about this...
>>
>> God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change
>> rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no
>> interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts.
>>
>> -Mark Williams
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County  
>>> Tennessee
> area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but  
> have not
> entered that market with our wireless yet.
>>>
>>> Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles  
>>> or more
> without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at  
> an F2 this
> morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been  
> restored
> as of late last night.
>>>
>>> Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart  
>>> and
> prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this  
> type of
> tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared  
> to see it
> hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List
>>> 
>>> Date:  Thu,  7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600
>>>
>>>
 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday:
 http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado- 
 destroyed-t
 wo-radio-towers-used-several-st/

 Main tower hub for communications knocked down.


 -- Original Message --
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: WISPA General List 
 Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST


> I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
>
> You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can
> be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting
> tower or a multi story building.  Does this happen?
>
> Walter
>
>

Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Jeff Broadwick]

Without getting political...I'm not sure government is the right vehicle for
this sort of job...no matter who is running the show.

Jeff
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:00 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado

Mark,

Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be focused on
meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm sure that
the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists from
potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble.

I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to be a more
compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for that
mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the real human
needs that people have.

jack


Mark Williams wrote:
> Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday...
>
> There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies.
> Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups 
> w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food / 
> water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance.
>
> The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would 
> NOT allow assistance efforts to happen.
> A phrase was coined ... that "the government is more focused on 
> protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the 
> coordination of REAL assistance and aid."
>
> Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response.
> They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort!
>
> Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. 
> I nearly lost it.
>
> For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are 
> literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked and 
> rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina 
> victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as easy 
> as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks to 
> drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to 
> Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their 
> response.
>
> I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American 
> Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY 
> clearly not alive in our gov't.
>
> The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be 
> disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent 
> and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt 
> will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times.
>
>  Something needs to be done about this...
>
> God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change 
> rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no 
> interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts.
>
> -Mark Williams
>
>  
> On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee
area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not
entered that market with our wireless yet.
>>
>> Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more
without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this
morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored
as of late last night.
>>
>> Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and
prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of
tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it
hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List 
>> 
>> Date:  Thu,  7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600
>>
>> 
>>> Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: 
>>> http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-t
>>> wo-radio-towers-used-several-st/
>>>
>>> Main tower hub for communications knocked down.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST
>>>
>>>   
 I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.

 You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can 
 be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting 
 tower or a multi story building.  Does this happen?

 Walter


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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc]

50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode...   

Dennis M. Burgess
Mikrotik Certified Consultant
Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
--WISP/Network Support Services--
+1 314-686-1302


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.


--
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS


>I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router & wireless AP,
> due to the interface and ease of configuration.  IP addresses, IP routes,
> bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure 
> in
> the Mikrotik interface.
>
> That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm
> blown away.  Massive throughput & seriously low latency.  We've configured

> a
> pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has
> been pulling 70megs aggregate.  There was a comment about how expensive 
> the
> boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>
>
>>I won't hold you to it mac.
>> As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved
>> bridging works perfectly.
>> I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots
>> that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my
>> network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey
>> weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's 
>> routed.
>>
>> Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4
>> port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a
>> weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that
>> board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00.
>> He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap.
>>
>> And it's 100% FCC certified.
>>
>> I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what
>> we have.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>>>   Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very "super"
>>> reliable
>>> huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are
>>> counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not
>>> an
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

 Hi,

 Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution
 to StarOS?

 Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone
 add their thoughts...

 Mikrotik features:
 graphical user interface (Winbox)
 more features (Torch, etc)
 more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.)
 Nstreme protocol
 very reliable

 StarOS features:
 FCC certified CPE
 lower price
 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single
 change, such as frequency)
 OLSR feature
 VoIP priority with minimal config
 200 CPE per wireless card (capable)

 Travis
 Microserv


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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[David E. Smith]

Jack Unger wrote:

> What make, model and height was the tower? It was unguyed, correct?

It was a Universal HD8-100 (100' tower, unguyed). We have a dozen or 
more of these up, and have had for several years, and this is the first 
time we've had any incident like this. And a bunch of folks in town 
don't have roofs any longer, so don't hold it against Universal. They've 
been good towers, this one just had a bad day. Heck, we believe (on 
initial inspection) that about 2/3 of the sections will be usable as-is 
even though they fell down.

http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0839.JPG <-- this section may 
not be usable, however

http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0840.JPG <-- whoops

We're infinitely grateful that, as far as we're aware, nobody was 
seriously hurt or killed by this spot of nasty weather. A few folks have 
unplanned sunroofs but that's it.

David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Brian Webster]

What and how much wind loading was on the tower? Normally even if you are at
the rated wind load and things are properly built there is still a safety
margin the engineers build in to a structural design.



Thank You,
Brian Webster

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:11 PM
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Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures.

http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG

(This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far
as I know, "just" 50-60mph winds.)

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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Mike Hammett]

Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS


>I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router & wireless AP,
> due to the interface and ease of configuration.  IP addresses, IP routes,
> bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure 
> in
> the Mikrotik interface.
>
> That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm
> blown away.  Massive throughput & seriously low latency.  We've configured 
> a
> pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has
> been pulling 70megs aggregate.  There was a comment about how expensive 
> the
> boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>
>
>>I won't hold you to it mac.
>> As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved
>> bridging works perfectly.
>> I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots
>> that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my
>> network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey
>> weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's 
>> routed.
>>
>> Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4
>> port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a
>> weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that
>> board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00.
>> He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap.
>>
>> And it's 100% FCC certified.
>>
>> I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what
>> we have.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> Mac Dearman wrote:
>>>   Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very "super"
>>> reliable
>>> huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are
>>> counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not
>>> an
>>> option.
>>>
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

 Hi,

 Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution
 to StarOS?

 Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone
 add their thoughts...

 Mikrotik features:
 graphical user interface (Winbox)
 more features (Torch, etc)
 more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.)
 Nstreme protocol
 very reliable

 StarOS features:
 FCC certified CPE
 lower price
 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single
 change, such as frequency)
 OLSR feature
 VoIP priority with minimal config
 200 CPE per wireless card (capable)

 Travis
 Microserv


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Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS

[Mike Hammett]

I believe MT v3 has a new wireless driver that is better.

I'm sure Star-OS has their own "special" mode for greater speed.  Were you 
comparing this vs. MT's 802.11 or N-Streme (or both on 802.11)?


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From: "Wallace L. Walcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS


> We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS.  Last summer, we did a 
> detailed,
> in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the
> same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF
> cards to switch between them.  StarOS won hands down.  It wasn't even 
> close.
> Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS.
>
> We still use MT for our main router.  I really like their queue system. 
> My
> dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver.
> Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to
> StarOS to license it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
>
> Hi,
>
> Anyone care to help "compare" a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution
> to StarOS?
>
> Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone
> add their thoughts...
>
> Mikrotik features:
> graphical user interface (Winbox)
> more features (Torch, etc)
> more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.)
> Nstreme protocol
> very reliable
>
> StarOS features:
> FCC certified CPE
> lower price
> 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single
> change, such as frequency)
> OLSR feature
> VoIP priority with minimal config
> 200 CPE per wireless card (capable)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

At least is wasn't your main tower!That sucks!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


David E. Smith wrote:
> Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures.
>
> http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG
>
> (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as 
> I know, "just" 50-60mph winds.) 
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Jack Unger]

David,

What make, model and height was the tower? It was unguyed, correct?

jack


David E. Smith wrote:
> Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures.
>
> http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG
>
> (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as 
> I know, "just" 50-60mph winds.) 
>
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[David E. Smith]

Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures.

http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG

(This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I 
know, "just" 50-60mph winds.) 

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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Jack Unger]

Mark,

Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be focused 
on meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm sure 
that the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists 
from potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble.

I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to be a 
more compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for 
that mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the 
real human needs that people have.

jack


Mark Williams wrote:
> Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday...
>
> There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies.
> Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more
> pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials,
> food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance.
>
> The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT
> allow assistance efforts to happen.
> A phrase was coined ... that "the government is more focused on
> protecting its rights to be government, than it is
> on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid."
>
> Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response.
> They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort!
>
> Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. 
> I nearly lost it.
>
> For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are
> literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked
> and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina
> victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as 
> easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks
> to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them 
> to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their
> response.
>
> I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American
> Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY
> clearly not alive in our gov't. 
>
> The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be
> disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent
> and 
> apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will
> handle it right? Sad times America, sad times.
>
>  Something needs to be done about this...
>
> God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change
> rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location
> had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief
> efforts.
>
> -Mark Williams
>
>  
> On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee 
>> area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not 
>> entered that market with our wireless yet.
>>
>> Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more 
>> without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this 
>> morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored 
>> as of late last night.
>>
>> Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and 
>> prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of 
>> tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it 
>> hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List 
>> Date:  Thu,  7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600
>>
>> 
>>> Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: 
>>> http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/
>>>
>>> Main tower hub for communications knocked down.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST
>>>
>>>   
 I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.

 You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but 
 I  
 have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi 
 story 
 building.  Does this happen?

 Walter  


 Walter W.  Stumpf Jr.
 Xanadu Group Inc.
 179 Statesville Quarry Road
 Lafayette NJ  07848-3128 USA
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[WISPA] Google's telephony deal

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[WISPA] From Today's WSJ

[Jeff Broadwick]

REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Purblind Auction
February 7, 2008; Page A18

The Federal Communications Commission is bragging about its latest wireless
auction, with total bids of more than $19 billion after two weeks. But dig
beneath those numbers and the picture is less rosy.

This wireless "spectrum" is on the market because of the transition to
digital television broadcast. As of February 17, 2009, TVs without digital
tuners or cable or satellite hook-ups will go dark, and a big swath of the
airwaves will be free for other uses. This spectrum can transmit data over
long distances and penetrates walls much better than most current wireless
phone spectrum.
[Kevin Martin]

But FCC Chairman Kevin Martin wasn't content to sell this real estate to the
highest bidder. Instead, he embarked on a central-planning experiment,
setting aside the two biggest blocks for special uses. The FCC's procedures
require blind, confidential bidding, so there is much about the auction that
we won't know until it wraps up. But it already seems clear that Mr.
Martin's rules have damaged the value of otherwise choice spectrum and are
harming the overall auction.

For example, the FCC restricted the single biggest spectrum license for a
public-private "public safety" partnership. The idea was that someone would
buy it to create a nationwide network for "first responders" -- fire and
police departments and the like -- with secondary use as a commercial
wireless network. But the main lobbyist for that spectrum, former FCC
Chairman Reed Hundt's Frontline Wireless, closed up shop before the auction
began. So far, this so-called "D block" of spectrum has attracted exactly
one bid in 40 rounds, and that bid is less than $500 million -- well below
the FCC's $1.3 billion reserve price.

The FCC designated the next-biggest block -- the "C block" -- for "open
access" at the urging of Google, among others. The C block is not only
large, but it divides the country into eight large regional groups, with the
possibility of bidding on all eight as a package. It should be a top prize.
But it only passed its $4.6 billion reserve price late last week, and the
reason is almost certainly the FCC's "open access" rule. That rule requires
whoever wins to open the network to all compatible phones or software. If
you're spending billions on spectrum and billions more building the network,
the fact that the feds might force you to share your network means greater
investment risk.

The bidding bears this out. Of the $19 billion bid so far, nearly
three-quarters has gone toward the smaller bits of spectrum in the A, B and
E blocks. Building a national network by cobbling together hundreds of these
bits is inefficient and risky, and it doesn't serve consumers, who would get
faster service and more flexibility from the larger blocks.

But there's more. The FCC made these small blocks to encourage start-ups and
new entrants to bid for a piece of the next-generation wireless pie. If the
conditions placed on the C and D blocks are driving the big established
players into the smaller auctions, then the new, little guys may well be
playing in the same sandbox with the big, bad incumbents.

The FCC's previous experiments with rigging auctions also flopped; witness
the NextWave bankruptcy, which tied up billions of dollars of spectrum for
years. Mr. Martin will claim victory in the auction no matter what happens.
But what we'll never know is how much would have been bid -- and thus how
much more the Treasury would have received -- if Mr. Martin had auctioned
this spectrum without his favors for special interests attached.

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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Rick Harnish]

We witnessed this same thing while helping Mac Dearman and crew after
Katrina.  FEMA is definitely a more of a disservice to those in need than it
is for providing assistance.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Williams
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado

Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday...

There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies.
Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more
pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials,
food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance.

The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT
allow assistance efforts to happen.
A phrase was coined ... that "the government is more focused on
protecting its rights to be government, than it is
on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid."

Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response.
They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort!

Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. 
I nearly lost it.

For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are
literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked
and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina
victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as 
easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks
to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them 
to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their
response.

I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American
Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY
clearly not alive in our gov't. 

The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be
disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent
and 
apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will
handle it right? Sad times America, sad times.

 Something needs to be done about this...

God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change
rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location
had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief
efforts.

-Mark Williams

 
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:

> Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee
area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not
entered that market with our wireless yet.
> 
> Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more
without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this
morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored
as of late last night.
> 
> Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and
prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of
tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it
hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu,  7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600
> 
> >Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio
-towers-used-several-st/
> >
> >Main tower hub for communications knocked down.
> >
> >
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST
> >
> >>I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
> >> 
> >>You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be
but I  
> >>have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi
story 
> >> building.  Does this happen?
> >>
> >>Walter  
> >>
> >>
> >>Walter W.  Stumpf Jr.
> >>Xanadu Group Inc.
> >>179 Statesville Quarry Road
> >>Lafayette NJ  07848-3128 USA
> >>973-702-3899
> >>fax  775-667-1995
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Mark Williams]

Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday...

There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies.
Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more
pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials,
food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance.

The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT
allow assistance efforts to happen.
A phrase was coined ... that "the government is more focused on
protecting its rights to be government, than it is
on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid."

Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response.
They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort!

Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. 
I nearly lost it.

For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are
literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked
and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina
victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as 
easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks
to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them 
to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their
response.

I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American
Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY
clearly not alive in our gov't. 

The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be
disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent
and 
apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will
handle it right? Sad times America, sad times.

 Something needs to be done about this...

God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change
rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location
had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief
efforts.

-Mark Williams

 
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote:

> Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area 
> that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered 
> that market with our wireless yet.
> 
> Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more 
> without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this 
> morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as 
> of late last night.
> 
> Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers 
> to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes 
> hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard 
> as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu,  7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600
> 
> >Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: 
> >http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/
> >
> >Main tower hub for communications knocked down.
> >
> >
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> >Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST
> >
> >>I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
> >> 
> >>You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I 
> >> 
> >>have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi 
> >>story 
> >> building.  Does this happen?
> >>
> >>Walter  
> >>
> >>
> >>Walter W.  Stumpf Jr.
> >>Xanadu Group Inc.
> >>179 Statesville Quarry Road
> >>Lafayette NJ  07848-3128 USA
> >>973-702-3899
> >>fax  775-667-1995
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[WISPA] Kentucky Decides Against Funneling Tax Money to Telcos

[Jack Unger]

Connect Kentucky has suffered a rare legislative setback, deciding not 
to go ahead with a bill that would have redirected tax receipts from the 
state treasury to telephone companies as a way of paying for the 
buildout of broadband 


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Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors

[Luke Pack]

I second that!  That tool makes the EZ mean something :)


- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors


> Just make sure you use the factory stripper.  That little tool saves a LOT
> of time!  Oh yeah, make sure you use the deburring tool.  That's 
> especially
> important on the EZ connectors.
>
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Luke Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
>
>
>> Though I am trying to eliminate the need for LMR runs these days, we've
>> used
>> the EZ-400 and 600 for quite some time.  They are "EZ" and they work 
>> great
>> as mentioned.
>>
>> - Luke
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
>>
>>
>>>I switched to the ez-400 a few months ago.
>>>
>>> They are great!
>>>
>>> Blair
>>>
>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 We just use the ez-400-nmh.  Captive pin, no crimp or solder on the
 center
 pin.  Just crimp the outside ring.

 I've also gotten some of the new screw together ones, no crimp at all
 needed.  I'll see how it goes.
 marlon

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 From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:46 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors



> I was going to try out the Times EZ style connectors for LMR400.
> I saw several part numbers, Specifically...
>
> EZ-400-NMH-D
> EZ-400-NMK
>
> They were referenced as "spring tipped" versus "captived" or something
> like
> that.
>
> Anyone know the difference? What are preferred to use?
>
> Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Just make sure you use the factory stripper.  That little tool saves a LOT 
of time!  Oh yeah, make sure you use the deburring tool.  That's especially 
important on the EZ connectors.

marlon

- Original Message - 
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors


> Though I am trying to eliminate the need for LMR runs these days, we've 
> used
> the EZ-400 and 600 for quite some time.  They are "EZ" and they work great
> as mentioned.
>
> - Luke
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
>
>
>>I switched to the ez-400 a few months ago.
>>
>> They are great!
>>
>> Blair
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> We just use the ez-400-nmh.  Captive pin, no crimp or solder on the
>>> center
>>> pin.  Just crimp the outside ring.
>>>
>>> I've also gotten some of the new screw together ones, no crimp at all
>>> needed.  I'll see how it goes.
>>> marlon
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:46 PM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
>>>
>>>
>>>
 I was going to try out the Times EZ style connectors for LMR400.
 I saw several part numbers, Specifically...

 EZ-400-NMH-D
 EZ-400-NMK

 They were referenced as "spring tipped" versus "captived" or something
 like
 that.

 Anyone know the difference? What are preferred to use?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



 
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Scottie Arnett]

Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area 
that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered 
that market with our wireless yet.

Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without 
ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by 
whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last 
night.

Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers 
to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit 
the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it 
did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before.

-- Original Message --
From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu,  7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600

>Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: 
>http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/
>
>Main tower hub for communications knocked down.
>
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>>I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
>> 
>>You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I  
>>have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi 
>>story 
>> building.  Does this happen?
>>
>>Walter  
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Scottie Arnett]

Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: 
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/

Main tower hub for communications knocked down.


-- Original Message --
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Date:  Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST

>I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
> 
>You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I  
>have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story 
> building.  Does this happen?
>
>Walter  
>
>
>Walter W.  Stumpf Jr.
>Xanadu Group Inc.
>179 Statesville Quarry Road
>Lafayette NJ  07848-3128 USA
>973-702-3899
>fax  775-667-1995
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Rafman® at RAF Wireless]

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http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Breaking%20News

Rafman

On Feb 7, 2008 9:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
>
> You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but
> I
> have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi
> story
>  building.  Does this happen?
>
> Walter
>
>
> Walter W.  Stumpf Jr.
> Xanadu Group Inc.
> 179 Statesville Quarry Road
> Lafayette NJ  07848-3128 USA
> 973-702-3899
> fax  775-667-1995
>

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Re: [WISPA] Tornado

[Mike Delp]

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm

Two towers, one was brand new, and not fully utilized.

Mike

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Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:53 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tornado

I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
 
You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I

have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi
story 
 building.  Does this happen?

Walter  


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Lafayette NJ  07848-3128 USA
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fax  775-667-1995




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[WISPA] Tornado

[WWS2]

I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones.
 
You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I  
have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story 
 building.  Does this happen?

Walter  


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Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors

[Luke Pack]

Though I am trying to eliminate the need for LMR runs these days, we've used 
the EZ-400 and 600 for quite some time.  They are "EZ" and they work great 
as mentioned.

- Luke

- Original Message - 
From: "Blair Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors


>I switched to the ez-400 a few months ago.
>
> They are great!
>
> Blair
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> We just use the ez-400-nmh.  Captive pin, no crimp or solder on the 
>> center
>> pin.  Just crimp the outside ring.
>>
>> I've also gotten some of the new screw together ones, no crimp at all
>> needed.  I'll see how it goes.
>> marlon
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:46 PM
>> Subject: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
>>
>>
>>
>>> I was going to try out the Times EZ style connectors for LMR400.
>>> I saw several part numbers, Specifically...
>>>
>>> EZ-400-NMH-D
>>> EZ-400-NMK
>>>
>>> They were referenced as "spring tipped" versus "captived" or something
>>> like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Anyone know the difference? What are preferred to use?
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] MikroTik FCC

[Jack Unger]

Mikrotik's certification of the R52 with outdoor antennas is an 
important step on the road to being able to build and certify a MT 
system however it is just the first step. Using the R52 with any of the 
antennas that it has been certified with will help a company obtain 
certification of a complete AP or CPE at a lower cost than running 
through the complete certification process because testing the R52 with 
these antennas does not have to be re-done by the test lab. In order to 
have Mikrotik gear that is FCC certified, the R52 still needs to be 
submitted as part of a complete unit and the remaining tests need to be 
performed before an FCC ID (Grant) will be issued thereby making the 
gear legal. Also, the Mikrotik software must dis-allow use on non-U.S. 
frequencies which the stock MT software does not currently do.

jack


Mac Dearman wrote:
> Travis,
>
>   Excuse the "copy & paste" from an earlier post I made - but here is what
> copied.
>
>
> I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list.
> These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made
> available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification.
> John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications
> covering more antennas & Routerboards in the very near future.
>
> Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks
> MikroTik!!
>
>
> Model: R52
> 2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz
>
> 12 dBi Omni Directional OD24-
> 12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12
> 13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13
> 17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB
> 17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB
> 19 dBi Panel PA24-19
> 24 dBi Panel PA58-24
> 28 dBi Grid GD5W-28
> 24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ
> 32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:38 PM
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>> Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was
>> working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.).
>> Does
>> anyone know the status on this or if it was even real?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
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