Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave 200 Mb FD Link For Sale

[Brian Rohrbacher]

will that do 26 miles?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Dragonwave 23 GHz Airpair all outdoor link available for sale that 
> is being taken down this week. It is complete with 2' dishes and power 
> supplies. It has been in service for about 1 year without issue. The link is 
> 200 MB full duplex. I believe Dragonwave will supply next day replacement on 
> this link for $500 per side.
>
> Asking $10K complete plus ship. 
>
> MSRP is approix $24K
>
> Offlist with questions. 
>
> Bob Moldashel
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> 516-551-1131
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Chuck McCown - 3]

There deals clear down to $7/meg.
Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.

- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


>
> http://www.nefiber.com/
>
> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up.
> These guys do fiber in California
>
> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>
> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>
> John
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these 
>> providers
>> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
>> possibilities are in their areas.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>>>
>>> J Hodge
>>> 630.445.3779
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
 Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 Hi,

 So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue 
 on
 my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
 a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
 traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Mike Hammett wrote:

> 208.111.168.6
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
> Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
> the
> bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.
>
> Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but they
> have
> an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating 1000
> Gbps
> of traffic.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>   Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
> In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up
> to
> provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not 
> only
> can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
> computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
> mainstream for many who have never used it. 

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Travis Johnson]

Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the
port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from
the port to your NOC. :(

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:

  There deals clear down to $7/meg.
Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.

- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


  
  
http://www.nefiber.com/

Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up.
These guys do fiber in California

http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
100 meg for about $7000 per month.

John

Mike Hammett wrote:


  Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these 
providers
are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
possibilities are in their areas.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


  
  
Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.

J Hodge
630.445.3779


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information




  Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

J Hodge
630.445.3779

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

Hi,

So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue 
on
my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:

  
  
208.111.168.6


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:
Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
the
bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.

Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but they
have
an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating 1000
Gbps
of traffic.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

  Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up
to
provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users.  Not 
only
can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your
computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it
mainstream for many who have never used it.  Not to mention the super
low cost of basically $9 bucks a month!

I have been using it for a few weeks and since it came out on the XBox
360 last Wednesday, I have streamed GIGs.  Soon as you hear, gigs, you
may be interested to know what is required to maintain a high-end 
video
stream.  So, I put together some numbers for everyone, in case you are
interested in how much bandwidth 

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

[Mike Hammett]

My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma Bell.

I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had.  I'm 
not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on the same 
fiber out of town, that's be great.  A 20 year IRU on fiber is very cost 
effective.  There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids metro area as well.

I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some more 
providers in those towns.

If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various 
directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth source 
asking if they want in.  Depending on who all is around, maybe you can form 
another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the bandwidth and 
fiber, then sell it out to the member companies.  onelasvegas.com seems to 
think there's all kinds of providers in the Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area.  I'd 
look through that site and Matt Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all is 
around and what you can arrange.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




From: Blair Davis 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...


35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland.  My bandwidth comes over 
fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland.  Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's 
coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from 
wholesaling requirements.  I had to defy my business partner to put the fiber 
in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for 
our 3 circuits, he was glad I had.

$200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s.  It gets better after that, but not 
much.

Brian and I have talked before.  He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The 
topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, but 
I am still looking.



Mike Hammett wrote: 
He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US 
Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well.  I'm sure 
there's more out there.  Grand Rapids isn't far away either.

Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber 
based BGP).

I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo...  Brian R... 
Rohrbacher   anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction.  Maybe 
you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get 
separately and take advantage of the scale.  There's at least 2 and maybe as 
high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area  they may all just 
buy from one, but I dunno.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

  Blair,

Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit?  You
should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if
you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something.

-Hal

-Original Message-
From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500

I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's
and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps
growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below.
-RickG

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the
bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change.

This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the 
rural
areas, bandwidth ain't cheap.

A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month.
On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month.

These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per
stream.  Just how much of this can our rural networks handle?

The sat. services can't do this.  The cellular providers can't do this.

Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range.

It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up.

Is per bit pricing the answer?  Higher fixed monthly?  Traffic
discrimination?  A combination?












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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I am currently all set.  I connect to another WISP, Michwave, (Jon 
Langeler posts here every so often) and he is connected to norlight.  So 
I am already on fiber.  I have a 7 mile and a 19 mile hop to get this done.

Brian

Mike Hammett wrote:
> My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma Bell.
>
> I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had.  
> I'm not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on the 
> same fiber out of town, that's be great.  A 20 year IRU on fiber is very cost 
> effective.  There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids metro area as 
> well.
>
> I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some more 
> providers in those towns.
>
> If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various 
> directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth source 
> asking if they want in.  Depending on who all is around, maybe you can form 
> another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the bandwidth and 
> fiber, then sell it out to the member companies.  onelasvegas.com seems to 
> think there's all kinds of providers in the Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area.  
> I'd look through that site and Matt Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all 
> is around and what you can arrange.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> From: Blair Davis 
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
>
>
> 35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland.  My bandwidth comes 
> over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland.  Used to be T1's, but I saw the 
> $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them 
> from wholesaling requirements.  I had to defy my business partner to put the 
> fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from 
> $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had.
>
> $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s.  It gets better after that, but not 
> much.
>
> Brian and I have talked before.  He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The 
> topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, 
> but I am still looking.
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote: 
> He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US 
> Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well.  I'm sure 
> there's more out there.  Grand Rapids isn't far away either.
>
> Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber 
> based BGP).
>
> I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo...  Brian R... 
> Rohrbacher   anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction.  Maybe 
> you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get 
> separately and take advantage of the scale.  There's at least 2 and maybe as 
> high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area  they may all just 
> buy from one, but I dunno.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
>
>   Blair,
>
> Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit?  You
> should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if
> you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something.
>
> -Hal
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500
>
> I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's
> and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps
> growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below.
> -RickG
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the
> bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change.
>
> This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the 
> rural
> areas, bandwidth ain't cheap.
>
> A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month.
> On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month.
>
> These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per
> stream.  Just how much of this can our rural networks handle?
>
> The sat. services can't do this.  The cellular providers can't do this.
>
> Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range.
>
> It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up.
>
> Is per bit pricing the answer?  Higher fixed monthly?  Traffic
> discrimination?  A combination?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wan

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

[Mike Hammett]

I knew Jon was in Michigan, but I didn't know exactly where.

Jon did all of the hard work.

By partnering up with area WISPs, you never know what opportunities may 
arise.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:06 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...

> I am currently all set.  I connect to another WISP, Michwave, (Jon
> Langeler posts here every so often) and he is connected to norlight.  So
> I am already on fiber.  I have a 7 mile and a 19 mile hop to get this 
> done.
>
> Brian
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma 
>> Bell.
>>
>> I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had. 
>> I'm not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on 
>> the same fiber out of town, that's be great.  A 20 year IRU on fiber is 
>> very cost effective.  There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids 
>> metro area as well.
>>
>> I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some 
>> more providers in those towns.
>>
>> If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various 
>> directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth 
>> source asking if they want in.  Depending on who all is around, maybe you 
>> can form another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the 
>> bandwidth and fiber, then sell it out to the member companies. 
>> onelasvegas.com seems to think there's all kinds of providers in the 
>> Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area.  I'd look through that site and Matt 
>> Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all is around and what you can 
>> arrange.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Blair Davis
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
>>
>>
>> 35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland.  My bandwidth 
>> comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland.  Used to be T1's, but I 
>> saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that 
>> released them from wholesaling requirements.  I had to defy my business 
>> partner to put the fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at 
>> $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had.
>>
>> $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s.  It gets better after that, but 
>> not much.
>>
>> Brian and I have talked before.  He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The 
>> topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share 
>> bandwidth, but I am still looking.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, 
>> US
>> Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well.  I'm 
>> sure
>> there's more out there.  Grand Rapids isn't far away either.
>>
>> Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber
>> based BGP).
>>
>> I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo...  Brian 
>> R...
>> Rohrbacher   anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. 
>> Maybe
>> you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could 
>> get
>> separately and take advantage of the scale.  There's at least 2 and maybe 
>> as
>> high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area  they may all 
>> just
>> buy from one, but I dunno.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
>>
>>   Blair,
>>
>> Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit?  You
>> should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if
>> you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something.
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> To: WISPA General List 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs...
>> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500
>>
>> I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's
>> and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps
>> growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below.
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the
>> bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change.
>>
>> This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the
>> rural
>> areas, bandwidth ain't cheap.
>>
>> A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month.
>> On my fiber, 

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get the $5 
deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in the 
city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as possible.  If 
you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay the bill you 
should have plenty of takers in town.

Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and 
then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is.  Just 
have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives up. 
 We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


  Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port 
I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to your 
NOC. :(

  Travis
  Microserv

  Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 
There deals clear down to $7/meg.
Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.

- Original Message - 
From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


  http://www.nefiber.com/

Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up.
These guys do fiber in California

http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
100 meg for about $7000 per month.

John

Mike Hammett wrote:
Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these 
providers
are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
possibilities are in their areas.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


  Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.

J Hodge
630.445.3779


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

J Hodge
630.445.3779

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

Hi,

So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue 
on
my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:

  208.111.168.6


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?

Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:
Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
the
bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.

Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but they
have
an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating 1000
Gbps
of traffic.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:04 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

  Can anyone provide the ASN the streams come from?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 3:42 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Net

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Travis Johnson]

Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 
from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Chuck McCown wrote:
> Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get the $5 
> deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in 
> the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as 
> possible.  If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay 
> the bill you should have plenty of takers in town.
>
> Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and 
> then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is.  Just 
> have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock gives 
> up.  We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Travis Johnson 
>   To: WISPA General List 
>   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the port 
> I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the port to 
> your NOC. :(
>
>   Travis
>   Microserv
>
>   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 
> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   http://www.nefiber.com/
>
> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up.
> These guys do fiber in California
>
> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>
> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>
> John
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these 
> providers
> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
> possibilities are in their areas.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>
> J Hodge
> 630.445.3779
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
> Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>
> J Hodge
> 630.445.3779
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
> Hi,
>
> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue 
> on
> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
> a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
> traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>   208.111.168.6
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>
> From: Travis Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
> Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
> the
> bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.
>
> Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but they
> have
> an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating 1000
> Gbps
> of traffic.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Mike Hammett" <[E

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Randy Cosby]

Heh... We started with Westnet here too!  Those were the days.  Then 
MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days.

Randy


Travis Johnson wrote:
> Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1 
> from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>   
>> Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get the $5 
>> deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to wholesale in 
>> the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out of town as 
>> possible.  If you give it away at cost or just a bit above just to help pay 
>> the bill you should have plenty of takers in town.
>>
>> Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud and 
>> then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf is.  
>> Just have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually the rock 
>> gives up.  We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: Travis Johnson 
>>   To: WISPA General List 
>>   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>   Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the 
>> port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from the 
>> port to your NOC. :(
>>
>>   Travis
>>   Microserv
>>
>>   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: 
>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>   http://www.nefiber.com/
>>
>> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
>> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
>> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
>> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
>> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up.
>> These guys do fiber in California
>>
>> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>>
>> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
>> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these 
>> providers
>> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
>> possibilities are in their areas.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>   Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>>
>> J Hodge
>> 630.445.3779
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>>
>> J Hodge
>> 630.445.3779
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue 
>> on
>> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
>> a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
>> traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>   208.111.168.6
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my XBox...
>> the
>> bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.
>>
>> Not quite as

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Mark Nash]

I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from
which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable
rate, we'd go for it.

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
> >
> > http://www.nefiber.com/
> >
> > Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
> > Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
> > a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
> > They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
> > 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
up.
> > These guys do fiber in California
> >
> > http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
> >
> > They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
> > 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
> >
> > John
> >
> > Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
> >> providers
> >> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
> >> possibilities are in their areas.
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
> >>
> >>
> >>> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
> >>>
> >>> J Hodge
> >>> 630.445.3779
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
> >>> To: WISPA General List
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
> >>>
> >>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
> >>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
> >>>
> >>>
>  Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
> 
>  J Hodge
>  630.445.3779
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
>  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
> 
>  Hi,
> 
>  So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue
>  on
>  my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with
only
>  a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
>  traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
> 
>  Travis
>  Microserv
> 
>  Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
> > 208.111.168.6
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Travis Johnson
> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
> >
> >
> > Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my
XBox...
> > the
> > bandwidth is coming from Limelight Networks.
> >
> > Not quite as open as Youtube's "Yes, we will peer with you.", but
they
> > have
> > an open peering policy  that'll happen when you're generating
1000
> > Gbps
> > of traffic.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, Novem

[WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Brian Rohrbacher]

How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Travis Johnson]

Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere
from 1 mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Josh Luthman]

10 miles with a big dish I am guessing?

On 12/1/08, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1
> mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
>>
>> How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Brad Belton]

Ha!  You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis!  lol

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

 

Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1
mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Travis Johnson]

Not sure what you mean by "big" I have a 7 mile 38ghz link with 2ft
dishes that runs at 99.9%. :)

Travis


Josh Luthman wrote:

  10 miles with a big dish I am guessing?

On 12/1/08, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  
Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1
mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:


  How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Josh Luthman]

You answered my question =)  By big I mean a six footer.
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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Not sure what you mean by "big" I have a 7 mile 38ghz link with 2ft
> dishes that runs at 99.9%. :)
>
> Travis
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> 10 miles with a big dish I am guessing?
>
> On 12/1/08, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1
> mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
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>  How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?
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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Mike Hammett]

Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest


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--
From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

> Heh... We started with Westnet here too!  Those were the days.  Then
> MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days.
>
> Randy
>
>
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1
>> from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get the 
>>> $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to 
>>> wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out 
>>> of town as possible.  If you give it away at cost or just a bit above 
>>> just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town.
>>>
>>> Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud 
>>> and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf 
>>> is.  Just have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually 
>>> the rock gives up.  We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
>>>   - Original Message - 
>>>   From: Travis Johnson
>>>   To: WISPA General List
>>>   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
>>>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>   Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the 
>>> port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from 
>>> the port to your NOC. :(
>>>
>>>   Travis
>>>   Microserv
>>>
>>>   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>   http://www.nefiber.com/
>>>
>>> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
>>> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
>>> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
>>> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
>>> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes 
>>> up.
>>> These guys do fiber in California
>>>
>>> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>>>
>>> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
>>> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
>>> providers
>>> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
>>> possibilities are in their areas.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>   Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>>>
>>> J Hodge
>>> 630.445.3779
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>>>
>>> J Hodge
>>> 630.445.3779
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue
>>> on
>>> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only
>>> a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
>>> traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>>   208.111.168.6
>>>
>>>

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Mike Hammett]

Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks 
have POPs in your town.

I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

> I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from
> which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
> contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
> megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable
> rate, we'd go for it.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> >
>> > http://www.nefiber.com/
>> >
>> > Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
>> > Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
>> > a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
>> > They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
>> > 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
> up.
>> > These guys do fiber in California
>> >
>> > http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>> >
>> > They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can 
>> > do
>> > 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
>> >> providers
>> >> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
>> >> possibilities are in their areas.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
>> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>> >>>
>> >>> J Hodge
>> >>> 630.445.3779
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
>> >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>> >>> To: WISPA General List
>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>> >>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -
>> >>> Mike Hammett
>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>> >>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>> 
>>  J Hodge
>>  630.445.3779
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
>>  Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>  Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a 
>>  queue
>>  on
>>  my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with
> only
>>  a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
>>  traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
>> 
>>  Travis
>>  Microserv
>> 
>>  Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>> > 208.111.168.6
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> > http://www.ics-il.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Travis Johnson
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>> >
>> >
>> > Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
>> >
>> > Travis
>> > Microserv
>> >
>> > Mike

[WISPA] CCIE friend in VA looking for work

[Rogelio]

My apologies if this is not the best place to do this, but a very cool 
associate and former coworker of mine lives in Richmond, Virginia and is 
looking for work.

He's a CCIE, is with wireless technologies (wi-fi, 3G, GSM, 4.9/5.9, 
WiMax), and has great account handling skills, particularly on federal 
sales stuff.  (He's got all sorts of security clearances, which I 
understand involves is an involved process.)

I'm looking to hook him up with people and was wondering if anyone here 
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Travis Johnson]

Brad how about my latest one?

32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows 
99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup 
link as well. ;)

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
>
>  
>
> Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from 1
> mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 
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> How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?
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[WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[Drew Lentz]

>From Wall Street Journal today:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html

³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is pushing
for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless
Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless
industry and some consumer groups.²

I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks
conversation.

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Josh Luthman]

Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info.  Must be nice to be in Idaho
=)

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Brad how about my latest one?
>
> 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows
> 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup
> link as well. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Brad Belton wrote:
> > Ha!  You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis!  lol
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
> >
> >
> >
> > Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from
> 1
> > mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> >
> > How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?
> >
> > Brian
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Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[Josh Luthman]

If they pay me enough I'll do it "despite objections from the wireless
industry and some consumer groups".

Nothing like a big middle finger to the WISPs of the USA.

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >From Wall Street Journal today:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html
>
> ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is
> pushing
> for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless
> Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless
> industry and some consumer groups.²
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> I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks
> conversation.
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Travis Johnson]

Yes, the long links are nice... but the downside is we pay double for
our bandwidth... so I guess it's a wash... :)

Travis


Josh Luthman wrote:

  Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info.  Must be nice to be in Idaho
=)

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  
Brad how about my latest one?

32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows
99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup
link as well. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Brad Belton wrote:


  Ha!  You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis!  lol



Brad





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range



Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere from
  

1


  mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)

Travis
Microserv

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?

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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

Is there a central resource for this type of information?

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Mike Hammett wrote:
> Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks 
> have POPs in your town.
>
> I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>   
>> I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from
>> which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
>> contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
>> megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable
>> rate, we'd go for it.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> 
>>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>   
 http://www.nefiber.com/

 Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
 Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
 a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
 They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
 
>> up.
>> 
 These guys do fiber in California

 http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

 They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can 
 do
 100 meg for about $7000 per month.

 John

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 
> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
> providers
> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
> possibilities are in their areas.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   
>> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>>
>> J Hodge
>> 630.445.3779
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> On
>> 
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>>>
>>> J Hodge
>>> 630.445.3779
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>   
>> On
>> 
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a 
>>> queue
>>> on
>>> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with
>>>   
>> only
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

[3-dB Networks]

Sorry for the delay in my response... had my hard drive crash over the
weekend (on a side note does anyone have any recommendations for hard drive
data recovery, not everything was backed up!).

Anyways something is off if that is the quote you just got.  Either they are
giving you the special pricing still (it was $7800 per link plus dishes etc.
so that makes me think that's what your getting) or the person that told me
the new pricing was off...

Anyways hit me offlist with the quote and we can talk.  For that matter,
anyone that gives me a current quote from Trango I would be happy to talk to
you about Dragonwave with... its amazing what I can do with a quote from
another manufacturer...

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:13 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> Daniel,
> 
> I just got a quote back from Trango for the following:
> 
> 18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU
> 2ft dishes
> 48v rack mount power supplies
> 
> Total price = $9,800
> 
> Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same?
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> 
> 3-dB Networks wrote:
> > I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more
> > Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably
> > just prefer it that way.
> >
> >
> >
> > And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear
> was on
> > sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did
> this
> > the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same
> > throughput
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> >
> >   _
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Having used the "voltmeter" vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the
> LED
> > any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower,
> and
> > a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link.
> >
> > And, I think we already did the "pricing" thing about 5 months ago,
> didn't
> > we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a
> radio...
> > ;)
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > 3-dB Networks wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber
> port
> > in them?
> >
> > I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all
> > happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the
> customer I
> > was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the
> Trango
> > Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week.  All I did
> was
> > install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg...
> but
> > I didn't get to test it with live data, etc.
> >
> > What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick.  Give me a BNC
> connector
> > hooked up to a voltmeter any day.  First my voltmeter is going to read
> to
> > decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links.  Second, the LED is
> > about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with
> your
> > hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was
> > aligning.   Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made
> reading
> > the LED difficult.  None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter,
> I
> > simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where
> I
> > want.
> >
> > One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga.  Made aligning
> 3ft
> > dishes a bit easier...
> >
> > With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer
> > special is long over?  Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage
> anyone
> > to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with
> Dragonwave...
> > from what I understand I can come damn close :-)
> >
> > Daniel White
> > 3-dB Networks
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> >
> > Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I
> thought
> >
> > I'd share my recent experience
> >
> > OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And
> it
> > just freakin Worked!
> > WooHoo!  Man, I like this radio.
> >
> > I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3
> ports,
> > 1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband
> management on
> >
> > the GigE.
> > What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports
> could be
> >
> > used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run
> > stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connecto

Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

[3-dB Networks]

Brad,

That's fair if it reduces cost.  In general I'd rather not have it... but in
general you shouldn't have to mess with the ODU on the tower (all of the
ODU's were installed in the wrong polarization when I got there).  

The waveguides were installed by a tech support tech I heard... explaining
some of it... but I still don't like them :-)  But at least now I understand
the reasoning behind them.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> "I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had
> the
> waveguide built onto the dish..."
> 
> One reason.  Cost.  Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all
> their
> supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular.
> 
> The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws & lock
> washers.  I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and
> opted to leave the washers off.  Now the waveguide adapters come with
> screws
> and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring.
> 
> While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out.
> It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down
> rather
> than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you
> would
> tighten lug nuts on a wheel.
> 
> I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide
> manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow
> the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing.  Not sure if that has
> been done or if it is in the making.
> 
> I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work
> ok
> if you have the align mode on.  Without the align mode the LED display is
> pretty useless.  We have found it is also not a good idea to be running
> link
> or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas.  Doing so
> will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings.
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> One more quick rant... those waveguide pieces SUCK.  They caused many
> problems (screws on them stripping out, or some tech installing them the
> wrong way before it was sent up the tower and installed so I when we went
> to
> align them it wouldn't work because the waveguide was twisted 90
> degrees...)
> 
> I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the
> waveguide built onto the dish...
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port
> in them?
> 
> I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all
> happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer
> I
> was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the
> Trango
> Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week.  All I did was
> install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg...
> but
> I didn't get to test it with live data, etc.
> 
> What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick.  Give me a BNC connector
> hooked up to a voltmeter any day.  First my voltmeter is going to read to
> decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links.  Second, the LED is
> about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with
> your
> hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was
> aligning.   Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made
> reading
> the LED difficult.  None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I
> simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I
> want.
> 
> One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga.  Made aligning
> 3ft
> dishes a bit easier...
> 
> With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer
> special is long over?  Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone
> to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave...
> from what I understand I can come damn close :-)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I
> thought
> 
> I'd share my recent experience
> 
> OK 366mbps, 256QA

Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

[3-dB Networks]

Here was my thought.  One they are attached with those latches, which are
pretty heavy duty to me.  Second, the dish assembly does not weigh that
much, and I didn't feel I was doing any harm.  I was only using it with the
dish assembly very loosely bolted to the tower... I don't think I was
putting that much stress on everything.  It wasn't for fine adjustment...
used the dish for that, but general pointing as the dishes were mounted by a
third party contractor...

Just went back and scanned the manual... the only reference I can find to
those handles is a recommendation to use them to lock the ODU's to the
tower.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:03 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> "One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga.  Made aligning
> 3ft dishes a bit easier..."
> 
> Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed.
> 
> The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to the
> antenna - suspended with relatively light duty hardware.  This hardware is
> only designed to support the ODU and not intended to be used to move the
> entire antenna assembly.  This is also true with Ceragon, PCOM, DMC and
> Bridgewave to be sure.
> 
> The PCOM 38GHz ODUs do have a sort of bump stop built-in that will make
> contact before the ODU is pivoted and eventually forced off, but still the
> ODU is never to be used as a handle to align with.  Always use the built-
> in
> alignment mechanism in the antenna mount and never the ODU itself
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> "I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had
> the
> waveguide built onto the dish..."
> 
> One reason.  Cost.  Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all
> their
> supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular.
> 
> The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws & lock
> washers.  I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and
> opted to leave the washers off.  Now the waveguide adapters come with
> screws
> and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring.
> 
> While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out.
> It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down
> rather
> than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you
> would
> tighten lug nuts on a wheel.
> 
> I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide
> manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow
> the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing.  Not sure if that has
> been done or if it is in the making.
> 
> I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work
> ok
> if you have the align mode on.  Without the align mode the LED display is
> pretty useless.  We have found it is also not a good idea to be running
> link
> or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas.  Doing so
> will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings.
> 
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> One more quick rant... those waveguide pieces SUCK.  They caused many
> problems (screws on them stripping out, or some tech installing them the
> wrong way before it was sent up the tower and installed so I when we went
> to
> align them it wouldn't work because the waveguide was twisted 90
> degrees...)
> 
> I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the
> waveguide built onto the dish...
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port
> in them?
> 
> I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all
> happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer
> I
> was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the
> Trango
> Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week.  All I did was
> install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg...
> but
> I didn't get to test it with live data, etc.
> 
> What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick.  Give me a BNC connector
> hooked up to a voltmeter any day.  First my voltmeter is going to read t

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Randy Cosby]

Yeah, I know.   It was just a happier time when they didn't exist is 
what I was trying to say :)


Randy


Mike Hammett wrote:
> Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>   
>> Heh... We started with Westnet here too!  Those were the days.  Then
>> MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional T1
>>> from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get the 
 $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to 
 wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far out 
 of town as possible.  If you give it away at cost or just a bit above 
 just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town.

 Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the cloud 
 and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your turf 
 is.  Just have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually 
 the rock gives up.  We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
   - Original Message - 
   From: Travis Johnson
   To: WISPA General List
   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


   Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the 
 port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it from 
 the port to your NOC. :(

   Travis
   Microserv

   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
 There deals clear down to $7/meg.
 Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.

 - Original Message - 
 From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


   http://www.nefiber.com/

 Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
 Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
 a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
 They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes 
 up.
 These guys do fiber in California

 http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/

 They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
 100 meg for about $7000 per month.

 John

 Mike Hammett wrote:
 Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
 providers
 are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
 possibilities are in their areas.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


   Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
 BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


 Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

 Hi,

 So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and creat

Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[reader]

Who gets what in return?





- Original Message - 
From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?


> >From Wall Street Journal today:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html
>
> ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is 
> pushing
> for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless
> Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless
> industry and some consumer groups.²
>
> I know its been knocked down before, but every time it comes up, it sparks
> conversation.
>
> -d
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

[3-dB Networks]

Here is my philosophy... you don't need to know the conversion.  The idea is
to peak the dish as best as possible, if that is above our below the target
RSSI its really not something you can fix on the tower besides alignment.
Side lobes are just as easy to see with the voltmeter in my opinion.  So
once the dish is aligned, you can figure out where the extra dB loss is at
(Fresnel zone issues for instance).  On the Trango gear, if I am 10dB off
yet I know I am on the main lobe because the side lobes are 10dB higher...
and I can't get the dish better aligned... what advantage am I sitting at
with the RSSI indicator?  The voltmeter is much more accurate, and adjusts
immediately to a decimal so I have a clearer picture quicker on if its
getting bigger or worse.

I can't argue with your practical example there... my WISP experience was
probably different from the norm in having so many dedicated tower
engineers/techs, dedicated customer install fix techs, and dedicated
installers.  We rarely had to rely on techs from other departments to do
something outside their job... but for a smaller WISP I understand that is
the norm.

I personally would like to see both on the ODU :-)  but not at the expense
of the BNC connector

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:10 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> > Shouldn't it be attached with a BNC connector on o
> 
> You got me there. If the proper cables exist to accomplish that, its all
> good to use a voltmeter.
> 
> Provided that the the Voltage to DB conversions is accurate, and that the
> installer can remember what voltage they should have to a certain db.
> 
> Where this applies is with side lobes and such. When its a DB reading, it
> is
> always clear whether you are within 2-4 db of the actuall signal you
> engineered to reieve,
> For example, you instantly recognize that if you are 20db off calculated
> signal, you are probably aligned to a side lobe. The math conversion
> doesn't
> have to be made in the head.
> Voltage to db curve is not always proportional.  For example when aligning
> Proxim 60Ghz, it was a voltage range from 1 to 3 volts.  Sure I knew 2
> volts
> was our target number, but what did it really mean if I got 1.34 volts? It
> meant looking at a graph on paper, and calculating what DB it was
> equivellent to.
> 
> So in summary I'm saying it may be just as easy to align and find the
> center with a Voltmeter, maybe even easier. But with an LED, its easier to
> have a ball park view of where you are at with alignment. The LED also
> give
> the value that its there for times when you aren't repaired in advance.  I
> can give an example of last week, when the Tech did not fasten the antenna
> bolts tight enough, and the antenna blew slightly out of alignment.  When
> I
> was out in the field on sasles calls, I was able to send the clsoest tech,
> who was NOT prepared with the right voltmenter and special cable, and a
> charged laptop battery, and he was still empowered to fix the roof top
> link
> w/ the LED.  All our techs, at minimum, carry a wrench with them.
> 
> On a side note, if this were on a real "tower", this oviously is not an
> advantage, as nobody would justify climbing a comercial tower, without
> being
> adequately prepared with tools/meters needed.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> 
> >- Link Quality
> >
> > We looked at the BER results, etc.  I guess what I was saying was I did
> > not
> > get the opportunity to kill them and test PPS or actual throughput...
> all
> > I
> > did was climb the tower where they had already been installed, align the
> > dish, and configure the IDU.  So I can't give a completely fair analysis
> > of
> > the radios...
> >
> > - LED
> >
> > I agree it is bright and position is optimal.  With the sun shining
> > directly
> > on it I had to constantly cover it up with my hand to read the numbers
> > though.  If I had a voltmeter I would have just repositioned it on the
> > ODU.
> > The position of the LED is also fine on the ODU, but depending on how
> the
> > dish was mounted and I was hanging off the tower it could be in a
> position
> > blocked by a crossmember, etc.  There is no way to engineer this better,
> > but
> > the ability to move the voltmeter around is preferable.  I also prefer
> the
> > accuracy of the voltmeter to the two digit LED... I guess my optimal
> > solution would be to include both on the ODU...
> >
> > - Voltmeter...
> >
> > Shouldn't it be attached with a BNC connector on one end and wired into
> > the
> > voltmeter on the other.  I don't understand your comment about having to

[WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Randy Cosby]

Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We 
used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some 
serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage 
fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering 
it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if 
anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar 
site for this switch?

-- 
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Vice President
InfoWest, Inc

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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

[3-dB Networks]

I have personally noticed that at least on smaller dishes (3ft and lower)
Andrew dishes seem to bolt up to smaller pipes...

I don't know if Trango ships with Andrew dishes... but maybe a consideration
in the future...

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> The only thing I do NOT like about the Radiowave dishes are
> 
> The mounts are designed for 4" pole. We usually mount to 3" pole, based on
> weight, availabilty, and ease to work with.  It can be mounted securely to
> 2-3/8" pole, if lots of washers are used.  Mounting to 2" pole, doesn't
> really work. In an ideal world, it can be argued that for 3ft dishes, that
> 3" pole is the minimal size viable to keep it stable enough and prevent
> pivot windload.  But if the only option is to mount to a 2" dia member,
> its
> the facts. Often to use these mounts on 2" pole, installers will use an
> intermediate, pole to pole mount, and mount a 4" pole to the 2" tower
> member
> pole.  But its a pain in the neck to do that and much heavier to hoist,
> and
> the antenna is still vulnerable to the weakest link, the 2" tower member.
> Or
> they Shim the Ubolts with a third pipe
> 
> The problem is that many Towers have only 2" dia members at the > 200ft
> heights. Unlike a freestanding mast fastened on one side only, a 2" dia
> tower member is usually strong enough for the large antenna.
> 
> What I'd like to see is an adapter made, that will adapt the 4" design
> mount
> to support 2" pole.  This would be accomplished by a metal bracket that
> the
> 4" Ubolts would be inserted through, prior to sliding through the mount
> holes.  I'd have much more confidence in that, than 2 inches deep of
> washers.
> 
> Note: this is not a disadvantage of Trango, I see this problem with most
> all
> large antenna mounts, designed for mission critical 4" pole mount.
> Some other vendors have a hole/bracket on the mount, that allowed a cross
> member from it, so a bar could be extended off to the side, to help
> stablize
> it, where only 2" pole was available.
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> 
> 
> > "One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga.  Made
> aligning
> > 3ft dishes a bit easier..."
> >
> > Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed.
> >
> > The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to
> the
> > antenna - suspended with relatively light duty hardware.  This hardware
> is
> > only designed to support the ODU and not intended to be used to move the
> > entire antenna assembly.  This is also true with Ceragon, PCOM, DMC and
> > Bridgewave to be sure.
> >
> > The PCOM 38GHz ODUs do have a sort of bump stop built-in that will make
> > contact before the ODU is pivoted and eventually forced off, but still
> the
> > ODU is never to be used as a handle to align with.  Always use the
> > built-in
> > alignment mechanism in the antenna mount and never the ODU itself
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Brad Belton
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:42 PM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
> >
> > "I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had
> > the
> > waveguide built onto the dish..."
> >
> > One reason.  Cost.  Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all
> > their
> > supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular.
> >
> > The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws & lock
> > washers.  I was concerned this left too little screw thread available
> and
> > opted to leave the washers off.  Now the waveguide adapters come with
> > screws
> > and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring.
> >
> > While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one
> out.
> > It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down
> > rather
> > than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you
> > would
> > tighten lug nuts on a wheel.
> >
> > I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide
> > manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to
> allow
> > the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing.  Not sure if that
> has
> > been done or if it is in the making.
> >
> > I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work
> > ok
> > if you have the align mode on.  Without the align mode the LED display
> is
> > pretty useless.  We have found it is also not a good idea to be runn

Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Jerry Richardson]

I have not used one, but being a Cisco I would think that it would be
rock solid.

We've started using MOXA switches and so far rock solid. Plus having two
24VDC inputs helps me sleep at night.


 
 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications

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Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We
used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some
serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage
fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering
it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if
anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar
site for this switch?

--
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Vice President
InfoWest, Inc

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Mac Dearman]

I wouldn't mind living in Idaho if it were next to Louisiana :)


Mac




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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:19 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
> 
> Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info.  Must be nice to be in
> Idaho
> =)
> 
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> --- Henry Spencer
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Brad how about my latest one?
> >
> > 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability
> shows
> > 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz
> backup
> > link as well. ;)
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> > Brad Belton wrote:
> > > Ha!  You just love rub'n that in don'tcha Travis!  lol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > > Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> > > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Depending on your region (due to rainfall), I would guess somewhere
> from
> > 1
> > > mile (Texas) to 10 miles (Idaho). :)
> > >
> > > Travis
> > > Microserv
> > >
> > > Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> > >
> > > How far will an airpair at 23GHz shoot?
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Gino Villarini]

Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We
used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some
serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage
fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering
it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if
anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar
site for this switch?

--
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Vice President
InfoWest, Inc

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Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Mike Hammett]

Not really.  Years of research on my own behalf.


-
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--
From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:49 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

> Is there a central resource for this type of information?
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> 
>
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> /*
>
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks
>> have POPs in your town.
>>
>> I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>> I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) 
>>> from
>>> which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
>>> contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
>>> megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a 
>>> reasonable
>>> rate, we'd go for it.
>>>
>>> Mark Nash
>>> UnwiredWest
>>> 78 Centennial Loop
>>> Suite E
>>> Eugene, OR 97401
>>> 541-998-
>>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>
 There deals clear down to $7/meg.
 Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.

 - Original Message - 
 From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information



> http://www.nefiber.com/
>
> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake 
> on
> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
>
>>> up.
>>>
> These guys do fiber in California
>
> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>
> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can
> do
> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>
> John
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
>> providers
>> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
>> possibilities are in their areas.
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>
>>> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>>>
>>> J Hodge
>>> 630.445.3779
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> On
>>>
>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much 
>>> much
>>> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?

 J Hodge
 630.445.3779

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 [mail

Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

[Mike Hammett]

ah, okay.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:00 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information

> Yeah, I know.   It was just a happier time when they didn't exist is
> what I was trying to say :)
>
>
> Randy
>
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Qwest was the merger of US West and Qwest.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:05 AM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>>> Heh... We started with Westnet here too!  Those were the days.  Then
>>> MCI, then Sprint... Never heard of Qwest in those days.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>
 Wow starting with a full T1 we started with a 256k fractional 
 T1
 from the local university that was part of WestNet. ;)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Chuck McCown wrote:


> Yeah, I know.  But that is getting cheaper all the time.  If you get 
> the
> $5 deal, perhaps there is an ATM cloud in the city you can use to
> wholesale in the city to defray part of the cost and get you as far 
> out
> of town as possible.  If you give it away at cost or just a bit above
> just to help pay the bill you should have plenty of takers in town.
>
> Take delivery at a friendly wholesale customer on the edge of the 
> cloud
> and then start the dragonwave etc backhaul chain to whereever your 
> turf
> is.  Just have to keep  banging your head against the rock, eventually
> the rock gives up.  We started with 1 T1 from Qwest like many others.
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Travis Johnson
>   To: WISPA General List
>   Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:55 AM
>   Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   Chuck the issue with most people isn't the cost per meg at the
> port I've found $5/meg at the port the issue is getting it 
> from
> the port to your NOC. :(
>
>   Travis
>   Microserv
>
>   Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   http://www.nefiber.com/
>
> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake 
> on
> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
> up.
> These guys do fiber in California
>
> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>
> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can 
> do
> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>
> John
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
> providers
> are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
> possibilities are in their areas.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
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> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Josh Luthman]

I have no Cisco network gear of myself but I have several customers that
have gone through multiple routers and switches in the last 6 months.  Can't
give you any models specifically but I know they were in the four and five
digit price point.

Replaced by a Routerboard in case anyone is interested =)

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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--- Henry Spencer


On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc ..
>
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> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
>
> Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We
> used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some
> serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage
> fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering
> it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if
> anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar
> site for this switch?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Mike Hammett]

Hurricanes every year and volcanos next door.


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> I wouldn't mind living in Idaho if it were next to Louisiana :)
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range
>>
>> Most impressive, thanks for sharing the info.  Must be nice to be in
>> Idaho
>> =)
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>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> > Brad how about my latest one?
>> >
>> > 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability
>> shows
>> > 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz
>> backup
>> > link as well. ;)
>> >
>> > Travis
>> > Microserv
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Matt]

> Brad how about my latest one?
>
> 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows
> 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup
> link as well. ;)

How far will a 11ghz licensed link go?  Have a couple 300 foot towers
58 miles apart acording to topo plot both on excellent elevation.
Yeah, 58 miles, I am dreaming I know.

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Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Travis Johnson]

It will go that far... the question is how much down time do you want?
;)

Where are you located? What is the power output of the radios? What
size dishes?

Travis


Matt wrote:

  
Brad how about my latest one?

32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows
99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup
link as well. ;)

  
  
How far will a 11ghz licensed link go?  Have a couple 300 foot towers
58 miles apart acording to topo plot both on excellent elevation.
Yeah, 58 miles, I am dreaming I know.

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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Randy Cosby]

More research proves you are probably right.  the converter we have 
shuts down - or quits converting - at 11v.  Recent storms have let 
batteries get that low a couple times.  Ordering a new converter today 
that will go down to 7.5 v and adding more solar panels soon.



Randy

Gino Villarini wrote:
> Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc .. 
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
>
> Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We
> used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some
> serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage
> fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering
> it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if
> anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar
> site for this switch?
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[John Scrivner]

If Google would start a partnership program where service providers could
offer a free Internet service in exchange for a revenue split with Google
for ads inserted into web content streams then we would have a viable option
for delivering "free" Internet. Google has the technology to make this work.
I know from my experiences with my Google Adsense account for search that
Google makes money from ads and is willing to share in that system. All they
need to do is offer a network / affiliate arrangement just like the
broadcast networks / local affiliates do with television and radio. Internet
can work the same way if the planets align properly. I do not mind giving
Internet away to everyone as long as we all share in the upside. I have a
feeling that greed will kill this idea though. Everybody wants their piece
of the pie to be the largest. Until Google understands the amount of time
and money required to properly operate a network I fear they will not value
our contributions fairly. We are the stepchildren of broadband. I hope we do
not all turn into pumpkins at midnight at the Free Internet Ball.
Scriv


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> >From Wall Street Journal today:
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Adam Goodman]

I doubt you 2955 will run at 7.5 VDC. Specs indicate 18 - 32VDC. I
would think you need a 24VDC power source and not a 12VDC. I am
surprised it ran at 12V (or 14 on a fully charged battery)



On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Randy Cosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> More research proves you are probably right.  the converter we have
> shuts down - or quits converting - at 11v.  Recent storms have let
> batteries get that low a couple times.  Ordering a new converter today
> that will go down to 7.5 v and adding more solar panels soon.
>
>
>
> Randy
>
> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc ..
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM
>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>> Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
>>
>> Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We
>> used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some
>> serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage
>> fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering
>> it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if
>> anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar
>> site for this switch?
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Cisco 2955

[Randy Cosby]

It was a 24v source, (up-converted from 12v), but when the batteries 
dropped to 11 v the upconverter shut off and pushed out only 11 (instead 
of 24), and yeah, it didn't work and may have corrupted something.

Randy


Adam Goodman wrote:
> I doubt you 2955 will run at 7.5 VDC. Specs indicate 18 - 32VDC. I
> would think you need a 24VDC power source and not a 12VDC. I am
> surprised it ran at 12V (or 14 on a fully charged battery)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Randy Cosby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> More research proves you are probably right.  the converter we have
>> shuts down - or quits converting - at 11v.  Recent storms have let
>> batteries get that low a couple times.  Ordering a new converter today
>> that will go down to 7.5 v and adding more solar panels soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Gino Villarini wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe is the converter? The 2955 is rated to accept 18 - 32 vdc ..
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:09 PM
>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Cisco 2955
>>>
>>> Anyone used one of these?  Seems like a very nice, rugged switch.  We
>>> used one for a solar site recently and it appears to be having some
>>> serious issues (dying) recently - we are assuming from voltage
>>> fluctuations.  We're using a 12-24v regulated dc converter and powering
>>> it on the 24 v side.  Replacing it with a mikrotik for now.  Curious if
>>> anyone else has tried these and if this is "normal behavior" on a solar
>>> site for this switch?
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Vice President
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[WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race

[Jon Auer]

"Upset about Bell Canada's system for allocating bandwidth fairly
among internet users, the developers of the uTorrent P2P application
have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol
for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to
exchange tracker information – the addresses of the computers where
files could be found – but the new release uses it in preference to
TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change
are enormous."

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Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[Jack Unger]

FCC chairman Kevin Martin gets a lot of free publicity for a goal that 
can't be met by an legitimate wireless business. As far as I'm 
concerned, it's nothing more than blatant political posturing.

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Re: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?

[jp]

100% political pandering.

Let's continue work on getting Internet of any sort to all of America, 
first. That's not gonna happen for free.


On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:20:44PM -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> If they pay me enough I'll do it "despite objections from the wireless
> industry and some consumer groups".
> 
> Nothing like a big middle finger to the WISPs of the USA.
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> > >From Wall Street Journal today:
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809560499668087.html
> >
> > ³Outgoing Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin is
> > pushing
> > for action in December on a plan to offer free, pornography-free wireless
> > Internet service to all Americans, despite objections from the wireless
> > industry and some consumer groups.²
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Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

[Brian Rohrbacher]

http://www.stellarinfo.com
I use this program and have had great success.

Brian

3-dB Networks wrote:

  Sorry for the delay in my response... had my hard drive crash over the
weekend (on a side note does anyone have any recommendations for hard drive
data recovery, not everything was backed up!).

Anyways something is off if that is the quote you just got.  Either they are
giving you the special pricing still (it was $7800 per link plus dishes etc.
so that makes me think that's what your getting) or the person that told me
the new pricing was off...

Anyways hit me offlist with the quote and we can talk.  For that matter,
anyone that gives me a current quote from Trango I would be happy to talk to
you about Dragonwave with... its amazing what I can do with a quote from
another manufacturer...

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
  
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex

Daniel,

I just got a quote back from Trango for the following:

18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU
2ft dishes
48v rack mount power supplies

Total price = $9,800

Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same?

Travis
Microserv


3-dB Networks wrote:


  I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more
Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably
just prefer it that way.



And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear
  

was on


  sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did
  

this


  the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same
throughput

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

  _

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex



Hi,

Having used the "voltmeter" vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the
  

LED


  any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower,
  

and


  a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link.

And, I think we already did the "pricing" thing about 5 months ago,
  

didn't


  we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a
  

radio...


  ;)

Travis
Microserv

3-dB Networks wrote:

Tom,

Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber
  

port


  in them?

I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all
happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the
  

customer I


  was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the
  

Trango


  Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week.  All I did
  

was


  install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg...
  

but


  I didn't get to test it with live data, etc.

What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick.  Give me a BNC
  

connector


  hooked up to a voltmeter any day.  First my voltmeter is going to read
  

to


  decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links.  Second, the LED is
about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with
  

your


  hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was
aligning.   Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made
  

reading


  the LED difficult.  None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter,
  

I


  simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where
  

I


  want.

One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga.  Made aligning
  

3ft


  dishes a bit easier...

With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer
special is long over?  Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage
  

anyone


  to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with
  

Dragonwave...


  from what I understand I can come damn close :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex

Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I
  

thought


  I'd share my recent experience

OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And
  

it


  just freakin Worked!
Wo

Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range

[Tom DeReggi]

Not sure what planet you guys are living on. I guess it must be a near 
desert no-rain zone.

In our D2 rain zone... For 99.999%, 256QAM, we count on...

23Ghz (1ft) up to 1 mile
18Ghz (3ft) up to 4 miles. (I might be a bit conservative or off on this 
number, but 99. is at 3.5miles)
11 Ghz (3ft) up to 11 miles.

Its the rain fade that kills. If willing to take 99.9%, to accept brief Rain 
outages, and slower speed modulations, well then the distance grows longer 
fast.

To give an example of the situation...

On a clear day, +3db might get you double the distance.
But if the rain fade is 30db for a given distance, well double that distance 
gets you a HUGE more amount of DB degregation due to Rain Fade.

There is a HUGE difference between 99.9 and 99.999 in down time.  50 minutes 
a year does not sound like much, until it translates to 5 minutes per month. 
And you have to tell your High Arpu customer why all their Phones cut-off 
randomly in mid conversation once a month, every time it rains.  But then 
you realize that 5 miuntes a month is JUST for the RF. You use up all your 
chances with just the RF Outages. There is still all the potential outages 
for maintenance, or power outages, or moving out of alignment, your Fiber 
Transit going down, router misconfigs, etc.  Then there is always "backup". 
Can you have a 5.8Ghz backup? Sure, but do you have a monthly price for the 
second antenna colocation?  Better off spending a couple more dollars on the 
primary link to engineer it for TOP reliabilty, and 5 minutes of downtime 
per year, IF its an option.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave Range


>> Brad how about my latest one?
>>
>> 32 miles with 18ghz (+19db) radios with 2ft dishes. Availability shows
>> 99.99% (31 minutes per year total outage)... but we have a 5.8ghz backup
>> link as well. ;)
>
> How far will a 11ghz licensed link go?  Have a couple 300 foot towers
> 58 miles apart acording to topo plot both on excellent elevation.
> Yeah, 58 miles, I am dreaming I know.
>
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[WISPA] Hotspot page

[Josh Luthman]

I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik
gateways.  For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another
solution.

The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes
(basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably
customizable page in which I can put a few images in.

I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in
administering my own Radius server or front end to create the
timecodes.

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page

[Charles]

Check out sputnick. 

 
--Original Message--
From: Josh Luthman
Sender: 
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page
Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM

I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik
gateways.  For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another
solution.

The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes
(basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably
customizable page in which I can put a few images in.

I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in
administering my own Radius server or front end to create the
timecodes.

Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions!

-- 
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Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page

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We were with Sputnik for a while, but they fell short in many ways. 

We are now with SilverLining http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/

 
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Check out sputnick. 

 
--Original Message--
From: Josh Luthman
Sender: 
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page
Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM

I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik
gateways.  For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another
solution.

The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically
randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable
page in which I can put a few images in.

I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in
administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes.

Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions!

--
Sent from my mobile device

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Mr. Imagestream, Mr. MAC,  good place for a packet control add...  It works! 
Even on udp! Packets is packets.

Chuck Profito
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"Upset about Bell Canada's system for allocating bandwidth fairly
among internet users, the developers of the uTorrent P2P application
have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol
for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to
exchange tracker information  the addresses of the computers where
files could be found  but the new release uses it in preference to
TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change
are enormous."

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page

[Josh Luthman]

If at all possible I would like to stick with Mikrotik - I'm looking for a
replacement hotspot page and radius management frontend rather then
equipment.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Jerry Richardson
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> We were with Sputnik for a while, but they fell short in many ways.
>
> We are now with SilverLining http://www.silverliningnetworks.com/
>
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> __
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:19 PM
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> Check out sputnick.
>
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> --Original Message--
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sender:
> To: WISPA General List
> ReplyTo: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page
> Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM
>
> I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik
> gateways.  For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another
> solution.
>
> The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes (basically
> randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably customizable
> page in which I can put a few images in.
>
> I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in
> administering my own Radius server or front end to create the timecodes.
>
> Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions!
>
> --
> Sent from my mobile device
>
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Next step in the bit torrent arms race

[Mac Dearman]

Chuck,

  Whatcha think of packet limiting? :) It works eh? Saves my hind end
daily!! I have found that these MikroCore routers do a great job as well - -
same philosophy - - different hardware.



Mac


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> Mr. Imagestream, Mr. MAC,  good place for a packet control add...  It
> works! Even on udp! Packets is packets.
> 
> Chuck Profito
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> CV-ACCESS, INC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> have decided to make the UDP protocol the default transport protocol
> for file transfers. BitTorrent implementations have long used UDP to
> exchange tracker information  the addresses of the computers where
> files could be found  but the new release uses it in preference to
> TCP for the actual transfer of files. The implications of this change
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page

[Matt Jenkins]

You might want to try BlueDotWifi.com. I know the developers since they 
are local to me. I am sure if you have something specific you need added 
or some support that is needed they can provide it.

- Matt

Josh Luthman wrote:
> I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik
> gateways.  For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another
> solution.
> 
> The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes
> (basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably
> customizable page in which I can put a few images in.
> 
> I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in
> administering my own Radius server or front end to create the
> timecodes.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions!
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[WISPA] Alerts

[Patrick Shoemaker]

I'm wondering what other operators use to keep their NOC staff or 
themselves informed regarding current "outside the network" conditions 
that could affect their ISP operations. Conditions such as:

-Severe weather
-News alerts
-Major Internet events (fiber cuts, peering disputes, etc.)

I subscribe to national weather service alerts, read NANOG and am on the 
outages.org list.

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[WISPA] Eugene Fiber

[John Thomas]

Did this ever happen?

http://media.www.dailyemerald.com/media/storage/paper859/news/2001/07/12/UndefinedSection/Eweb-Will.Forge.Ahead.With.FiberOptic.Metronet-1974474.shtml

Is this of value?

http://www.pcinw.com/news/company_news.html

John

Mark Nash wrote:
> I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from
> which I can backhaul to my network.  Anyone know of a good site or have
> contacts for people who could quote in my area?  We're looking for 30-40
> megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable
> rate, we'd go for it.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   
>> There deals clear down to $7/meg.
>> Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable.
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>>
>> 
>>> http://www.nefiber.com/
>>>
>>> Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has "InterCity Fiber
>>> Ring" that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on
>>> a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone.
>>> They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to
>>> 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes
>>>   
> up.
>   
>>> These guys do fiber in California
>>>
>>> http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/
>>>
>>> They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do
>>> 100 meg for about $7000 per month.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>   
 Right.  I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these
 providers
 are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity
 possibilities are in their areas.


 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 --
 From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information


 
> Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites.
>
> J Hodge
> 630.445.3779
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   
> On
>   
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
> I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much
> BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Jason Hodge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>
>
>   
>> Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on?
>>
>> J Hodge
>> 630.445.3779
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
> On
>   
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue
>> on
>> my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with
>> 
> only
>   
>> a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much "upload"
>> traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> 208.111.168.6
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from?
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added it to my
>>>   
> XBox...
>   
>>> the
>>> bandwidth is coming from Lime

Re: [WISPA] Alerts

[Jerry Richardson]

We refer to MESO West for weather status. Happes there is a monitor
station on the same mountain we are on.

http://www.met.utah.edu/jhorel/html/mesonet/

 


 
 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
airCloud Communications

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Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:58 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Alerts

I'm wondering what other operators use to keep their NOC staff or
themselves informed regarding current "outside the network" conditions
that could affect their ISP operations. Conditions such as:

-Severe weather
-News alerts
-Major Internet events (fiber cuts, peering disputes, etc.)

I subscribe to national weather service alerts, read NANOG and am on the
outages.org list.

--
Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
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Re: [WISPA] Alerts

[Jon Auer]

In addition to following the NANOG and outages.org lists on our
Blackberries we have a computer in the office with three monitors on
it showing our Nagios network status map, the Weather Underground
animated radar map for our area, and Keynote's Internet Health Report
( http://www.internetpulse.net/ ).

The only time a monitor with TV news would have been handy was when a
tire recycling plant caught fire and something in the plume of smoke
degraded a few of our backhaul paths.

I wish our local electric companies had a status web site for power
outages, but we approximate it by looking for large numbers of
subscriber radios dropping offline at once.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Patrick Shoemaker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm wondering what other operators use to keep their NOC staff or
> themselves informed regarding current "outside the network" conditions
> that could affect their ISP operations. Conditions such as:
>
> -Severe weather
> -News alerts
> -Major Internet events (fiber cuts, peering disputes, etc.)
>
> I subscribe to national weather service alerts, read NANOG and am on the
> outages.org list.
>
> --
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot page

[Mike Delp]

Have you looked at Mikrotik?  User Manager can be set up to handle the
Authentication, and can generate user accounts. ( It will even print cards
with generated user/pass)

We have seen success with User Manager handling PPPOE and Hotspot client
requests (Up to the licens limit for number of users.)  It is a mini Radius
server and works well on a decent Router.  Contact me offline for more
details.

Thanks

Mike

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Hotspot page

I am currently using WirelessOrbit for my hotspots run by Mikrotik
gateways.  For reasons I can't mention here I need to find another
solution.

The only requirements I have is that I can generate timecodes
(basically randomly named users with no passwords) and a reasonably
customizable page in which I can put a few images in.

I have seen several pages that look great but I have no intent in
administering my own Radius server or front end to create the
timecodes.

Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions!

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