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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Daniel,
I just got a quote back from Trango for the following:
18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU
2ft dishes
48v rack mount power supplies
Total price = $9,800
Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same?
Travis
Microserv
3-dB Networks wrote:
I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more
Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably
just prefer it that way.
And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear
was on
sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did
this
the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same
throughput
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Hi,
Having used the "voltmeter" vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the
LED
any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower,
and
a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link.
And, I think we already did the "pricing" thing about 5 months ago,
didn't
we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a
radio...
;)
Travis
Microserv
3-dB Networks wrote:
Tom,
Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber
port
in them?
I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all
happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the
customer I
was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the
Trango
Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did
was
install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg...
but
I didn't get to test it with live data, etc.
What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC
connector
hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read
to
decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is
about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with
your
hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was
aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made
reading
the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter,
I
simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where
I
want.
One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning
3ft
dishes a bit easier...
With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer
special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage
anyone
to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with
Dragonwave...
from what I understand I can come damn close :-)
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I
thought
I'd share my recent experience....
OK.... 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And....
it
just freakin Worked!
WooHoo! Man, I like this radio.
I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3
ports,
1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband
management on
the GigE.
What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports
could be
used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run
stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connector instead if prefer. But
I
was extremely impressed at the flexibilty in options to install this.
The
alignment LED is also awesome, that is positioned in a convenient place
and
shows actual RSSI DB number, as it really speeds up install and made it
possible for one person to accurately align it.
Also note... The older Giga had some anoying firmware bugs last year in
their Betas (typical of Beta), and I finally got around to upgrading to
the
latest firmwares. (I was 9 months overdue for the task) Guess what...
All
the problems are FIXED!! Atleast the ones I knew about. I was really
pleased. I have to say this product line is REALLY coming along nicely.
Only thing I caution to be aware of is.... It takes a while to fully
understand the relationship of how well your link is performing in
relation
to what the MSE value of the radio is. MSE is the equivellent of
measurement of SNR and distortion. And the ATPC and Adaptive Modulation
thresholds are based on specific MSEs reached. The MSE feature/meter
works
good and accurately, it was just an issue of understanding how to
interperate it.
I was also impreseed on how fast they associate when they are taking out
of
opmode and back on in opmode. Its super quick.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Butch Evans" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
<wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays?
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote:
I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value"
decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could
support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it
today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on
the market:
I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix.
I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I
would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are
that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action.
Next = Mikrotik
Next = Trango, Canopy, etc
Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class
as Trango and Canopy.
So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last
2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax?
I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened
to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good
example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is
expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace",
but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are
working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is
available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP.
They service companies that are better funded, which typically means
larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos.
I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't
intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole
would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is
better" mindframe.
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