Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Not wishing to say anyone does a better job or worse.  One of the 
biggest mistakes I have seen is the plastic standoffs.  Not only do they 
fail, but they are not grounding the board typically!  I see lots of 
people using the little 1/2 moon power injectors.  They are super cheap, 
and by the way, they are super cheap.  We use POE with Surge Suppression 
Injectors.   You would be surprised how often they protect gear. 

We have in radio Ethernet surge units as well.  we have got units back 
with this ethernet surge unit melted down to goo..  ya goo.  Unplugged 
it, and plugged the radio right into the POE, well a new one, and bingo 
powers right back on! 

All of these things along with the build quality.  If you get free 
builds, that don't mean its good or proper, if you pay for your builds, 
same difference.  compare everyone! 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> My experiences say don't use Streakwave
>
> On 2/9/09, Scott Reed  wrote:
>   
>> Streakwave and Quicklink wireless both do.  I have good results with
>> both of them as well as Wisp-Router.
>>
>> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>>
>>> Phil
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Typically its a "build" issue.  Screwed on things too tight, etc.  Just 
stupid things.  Seen people not secure the radio cards before taking 
them up the tower etc.   We have been building these things for  over 4 
years, and we have 532s that have been up and running for 3!  wow, just 
thought about that, scarry! 

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Mike Hammett wrote:
> That's why you test on the ground before you go up...  who knows what 
> happened in UPS.
>
>
> -
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>
>
>
> --
> From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs" 
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:23 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
>
>   
>> Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of
>> the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like
>> that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the
>> cost of the tower climb.!
>>
>> --
>> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>>
>> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
>> /*
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> 
>>> There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
>>>
>>> On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.

 Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
 before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
 finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
 tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!

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 David E. Smith wrote:

 
> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) 
> partly
> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
> arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs 
> on
> the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy 
> the
> stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small
> premium to not have to do the boring stuff.
> I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned
> about that sort of thing.
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Josh Luthman]

My experiences say don't use Streakwave

On 2/9/09, Scott Reed  wrote:
> Streakwave and Quicklink wireless both do.  I have good results with
> both of them as well as Wisp-Router.
>
> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>
>> Phil
>>
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Mike Hammett]

That's why you test on the ground before you go up...  who knows what 
happened in UPS.


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From: "Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs" 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:23 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

> Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of
> the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like
> that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the
> cost of the tower climb.!
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> 
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> /*
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
>>
>> On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
>>>
>>> Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
>>> before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
>>> finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
>>> tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!
>>>
>>> * ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> 
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>>> David E. Smith wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
 routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
 Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) 
 partly
 because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
 arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs 
 on
 the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy 
 the
 stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small
 premium to not have to do the boring stuff.
 I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned
 about that sort of thing.
 David Smith
 MVN.net
 



 
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Phil Curnutt]

Thanks guys.  I'll be making some calls tomorrow.

Phil

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs <
dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:

> Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of
> the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like
> that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the
> cost of the tower climb.!
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> 
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> /*
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
> >
> > On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> >
> >> Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
> >>
> >> Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
> >> before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
> >> finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
> >> tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!
> >>
> >> * ---
> >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> >> WISPA Vendor Member*
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> >>
> >>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
> >>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
> >>> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog)
> partly
> >>> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
> >>> arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs
> on
> >>> the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy
> the
> >>> stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small
> >>> premium to not have to do the boring stuff.
> >>> I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned
> >>> about that sort of thing.
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs]

Man, I have seen some small WISPs, doing their second tower, buy all of 
the stuff, and not know they screwed up the UFL or something stupid like 
that.  Then they can't afford to replace the failed 5 bucks, due to the 
cost of the tower climb.! 

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Josh Luthman wrote:
> There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)
>
> On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
>   
>> Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
>>
>> Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
>> before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
>> finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
>> tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!
>>
>> * ---
>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> WISPA Vendor Member*
>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/*
>> 
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>> received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
>> from any computer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David E. Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly
>>> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
>>> arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on
>>> the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the
>>> stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small
>>> premium to not have to do the boring stuff.
>>> I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned
>>> about that sort of thing.
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Scott Reed]

Streakwave and Quicklink wireless both do.  I have good results with 
both of them as well as Wisp-Router.

Phil Curnutt wrote:
> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>
> Phil
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[eje]

If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of 
charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling MikroTik 
5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base solution as long 
as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is purchased at once from 
us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a small charge) if you want a true 
plug and play solution ready to go when you receive the units.  

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49 
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You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between
enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up
of course).

If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know.

On 2/9/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> I could, if there was demand.
>
> I'm sure that they are out there...
>
> but, building your own is easy...
>
> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>
>> Phil
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[eje]

We might not have it as a single order sku but if you order all items we will 
assemble it for you free of charge. 

We have a few complete sku's premade in our system as well. 

As you might be aware as well we have certified techs plus of course myself 
whom is a certified trainer. 

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Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly 
because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping arrives the 
next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on the payroll, and 
offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the stuff yourself and 
assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small premium to not have to do 
the boring stuff. 
I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned about 
that sort of thing.
David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Josh Luthman]

There you go, Dennis makes life easier for the WISP admins :)

On 2/9/09, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.
>
> Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations
> before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and
> finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another
> tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!
>
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>> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly
>> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping
>> arrives the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on
>> the payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the
>> stuff yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small
>> premium to not have to do the boring stuff.
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>> about that sort of thing.
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Dennis Burgess]

Yes we do this. .  Just shoot us a call or order on-line.

Something to keep in mind, we test, upgrade, and verify operations 
before they leave.  Nothing sux worse then putting in a link or AP, and 
finding out a 5 buck part does not work and then have to do another 
tower climb!  Why we test everything before they ship!

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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
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> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
> Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly 
> because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping arrives 
> the next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on the 
> payroll, and offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the stuff 
> yourself and assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small premium to 
> not have to do the boring stuff. 
> I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned about 
> that sort of thing.
> David Smith
> MVN.net 
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Josh Luthman]

You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between
enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up
of course).

If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know.

On 2/9/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> I could, if there was demand.
>
> I'm sure that they are out there...
>
> but, building your own is easy...
>
> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>
>> Phil
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[David E. Smith]

Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
Of late, I've been using Jeffco SoHo (www.jeffcosoho.com/catalog) partly 
because they're only a hundred miles away, and even ground shipping arrives the 
next day. They also have a couple Mikrotik-certified techs on the payroll, and 
offer a discount to WISPA members. Yes, you can buy the stuff yourself and 
assemble it in-house, but to me it's worth a small premium to not have to do 
the boring stuff. 
I think they also offer some FCC-certified systems, if you're concerned about 
that sort of thing.
David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Blair Davis]

I could, if there was demand.

I'm sure that they are out there...

but, building your own is easy...

Phil Curnutt wrote:

  Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?

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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Josh Luthman]

Do you mean manufacture them and ship them out so all you need to do is bolt
and configure?

I know several vendors will do this.  Eje of Wisp Router or Mike at TenX can
give you a definite answer as far as what they ship you.  I do all my own
enclosures - if there is something wrong I can only yell at myself for
making the mistake.

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[WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[Phil Curnutt]

Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
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Phil



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Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

[Patrick Leary]

:)  Hope is well Eric... 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Albert
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hi Gino,

I am glad to be here. Thanks much. 

When you follow the link I sent earlier (I got it from www.wispa.org)
you will get three items in return; a ROI white paper that covers most
of your questions from below, a datasheet on the product line and a link
to a video that a partner put together detailing a drive test. Very cool
stuff. 

Check the link out and if you have unanswered questions please let me
know.

One more note. A few months back we put out an excellent guide on how to
obtain the 3.65 license from the FCC. It was authored by a former
Alvarion person who is no stranger to the list. (Gotta give credit where
credit is due, we are still friends.)If anyone needs a hand on how to
get authorized for the band, whether you are implementing our gear or
the next guy's, this is the place to start.

http://www.alvarion.com/3650licenseguidedownload/?ref=WISPA.org&source_t
ype=Text

For both iterations of our 3.65 product line you do not need an ASN.
DHCP for the CPE broadcast domain is definitely a good idea. We don't
require DHCP to manage the network. 

As in any network an NMS is always a good idea. I have never met a
doctor that does not carry a stethoscope. Network visibility, trending,
alarming, software updates are all important tasks any operator faces.
However, we do not require an NMS right out of the gate. You could
migrate to our own NMS called Alvaristar as well as a configuration tool
called Alvaricraft. Since we support SNMP you could use your own tools
already in place as well.  

I hope this helps folks. 


Eric Albert
|
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.



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Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Eric,

Glad youre here... Can you awnser the following questions related to the
Micro unit?

Is this 16d?

Would the Micro work 4th order or just 2nd order?

Whats the channel size?

Whats the Rated bandwidth?

Total bandwidth per Micro unit?


Do we need any additional elements like asn gateway, nms, dhcp server to
operate?  


Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Behalf Of Eric Albert
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hey guys. We just released a new 3.65 product with some cool bundles.
Check them out here or check with your distributor.

http://www.alvarion.com/3650performancedownload/?ref=WISPA.org&source_ty
pe=Banner


Eric Albert
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Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:44 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hi,

Any suggestions for a 3.65ghz sector? Need 60-90 degrees and something
affordable.

Travis
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Redline AN50e QoS

[Eric Muehleisen]

Thanks for stating the obvious. Unfortunately, these are not my BH's but 
a customer who's on a tight budget. Congestion isn't normally a problem, 
but when/if it is, the feature set in question may become quite useful. 
Per your suggestion, I've contacted Redline support. Thank you for your 
input.

-Eric

Josh Luthman wrote:
> If my backhauls were being congested then I would probably look for 
> upgrade options rather then tweaking the little bit I have left.
>
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>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Eric Muehleisen  > wrote:
>
> I assumed so. I know that Motorola/Orthogon has this feature set.
> It might be useful on those congested backhaul links where
> low-latency applications are used.
>
> -Eric
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> You can get a better answer from
> sup...@redlinecommunications.com
>  (it's VERY
> good and free, don't worry) but to my knowledge it's about as
> capable (in
> this respect) as a Dlink switch from Walmart.  Packet is a
> packet to them.
>
> I run VoIP over my network over several AN50s.  I know when I
> was stuck at
> one tower site I was on the phone for most of the day going
> through 4 links
> of AN50s and MikroTik backhaul.
>
> Though I have to admit I have had customers use the same phone
> on a cable
> connection with 5m/384k and some one got into their linksys
> and used all of
> the connection for p2p/torrents.  It merely caused a good 2-3
> second delay
> in the conversation, but fine otherwise.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
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>
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> poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen
> mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Does anybody know if Redline's AN50e support any
> low-latency modes,
> Diffserv or any other QoS prioritization for VOIP
> applications? The latest
> firmware I have (1.36.046) does not have these features.
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Redline AN50e QoS

[Josh Luthman]

If my backhauls were being congested then I would probably look for upgrade
options rather then tweaking the little bit I have left.

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Office: 937-552-2340
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> I assumed so. I know that Motorola/Orthogon has this feature set. It might
> be useful on those congested backhaul links where low-latency applications
> are used.
>
> -Eric
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>> You can get a better answer from sup...@redlinecommunications.com (it's
>> VERY
>> good and free, don't worry) but to my knowledge it's about as capable (in
>> this respect) as a Dlink switch from Walmart.  Packet is a packet to them.
>>
>> I run VoIP over my network over several AN50s.  I know when I was stuck at
>> one tower site I was on the phone for most of the day going through 4
>> links
>> of AN50s and MikroTik backhaul.
>>
>> Though I have to admit I have had customers use the same phone on a cable
>> connection with 5m/384k and some one got into their linksys and used all
>> of
>> the connection for p2p/torrents.  It merely caused a good 2-3 second delay
>> in the conversation, but fine otherwise.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Does anybody know if Redline's AN50e support any low-latency modes,
>>> Diffserv or any other QoS prioritization for VOIP applications? The
>>> latest
>>> firmware I have (1.36.046) does not have these features.
>>>
>>> -Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Redline AN50e QoS

[Eric Muehleisen]

I assumed so. I know that Motorola/Orthogon has this feature set. It 
might be useful on those congested backhaul links where low-latency 
applications are used.

-Eric

Josh Luthman wrote:
> You can get a better answer from sup...@redlinecommunications.com (it's VERY
> good and free, don't worry) but to my knowledge it's about as capable (in
> this respect) as a Dlink switch from Walmart.  Packet is a packet to them.
>
> I run VoIP over my network over several AN50s.  I know when I was stuck at
> one tower site I was on the phone for most of the day going through 4 links
> of AN50s and MikroTik backhaul.
>
> Though I have to admit I have had customers use the same phone on a cable
> connection with 5m/384k and some one got into their linksys and used all of
> the connection for p2p/torrents.  It merely caused a good 2-3 second delay
> in the conversation, but fine otherwise.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
>   
>> Does anybody know if Redline's AN50e support any low-latency modes,
>> Diffserv or any other QoS prioritization for VOIP applications? The latest
>> firmware I have (1.36.046) does not have these features.
>>
>> -Eric
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA membership: was: Re: Announcements List

[Rick Harnish]

Milton,  

You can go to http://signup.wispa.org to register.  Principal membership
fees are $250 annually.  Vendor membership is $1000 annually.  Hit me
offlist and I can answer further questions.

Thanks,
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Subject: [WISPA] WISPA membership: was: Re: Announcements List

Hi,

I'm wondering what does it take to be a member of WISPA?


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Re: [WISPA] WISPA membership: was: Re: Announcements List

[Scott Reed]

check out www.wispa.org  All the membership types, costs, etc. are there.

Milton Calnek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering what does it take to be a member of WISPA?
>
>
> Rick Harnish wrote:
>   
>> We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Announcements List

[Blair Davis]

Better late than never...

Rick Harnish wrote:

  We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.


 

The purposes of this list will be:

1.   New Member Introductions

2.   WISPA Press Releases

3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)

4.   Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
List does) 

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that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.

6.   Fundraising Posts

7.   ..

8.   ..

 

This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
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Re: [WISPA] Announcements List

[Jack Unger]

Please ignore the "unsubscribe" email. Everyone will be properly
subscribed to the Announcements list. There's no need to take any
action. 

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the 
announcements list..

Rick Harnish wrote:
  
  
We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.


 

The purposes of this list will be:

1.   New Member Introductions

2.   WISPA Press Releases

3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)

4.   Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
List does) 

5.   Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so
that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.

6.   Fundraising Posts

7.   ..

8.   ..

 

This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it.  We had to
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to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than
one list.  If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may
have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs
we operate.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Announcements List

[Brian Rohrbacher]

oops, I see why now


Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

  I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the 
announcements list..

Rick Harnish wrote:
  
  
We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.


 

The purposes of this list will be:

1.   New Member Introductions

2.   WISPA Press Releases

3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)

4.   Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
List does) 

5.   Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so
that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.

6.   Fundraising Posts

7.   ..

8.   ..

 

This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it.  We had to
remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list.  My intent is
to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than
one list.  If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may
have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs
we operate.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Announcements List

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the 
announcements list..

Rick Harnish wrote:
> We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
> been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
> set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
> addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
> will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.
>
>
>  
>
> The purposes of this list will be:
>
> 1.   New Member Introductions
>
> 2.   WISPA Press Releases
>
> 3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)
>
> 4.   Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
> List does) 
>
> 5.   Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so
> that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.
>
> 6.   Fundraising Posts
>
> 7.   ..
>
> 8.   ..
>
>  
>
> This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
> received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it.  We had to
> remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list.  My intent is
> to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than
> one list.  If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may
> have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs
> we operate.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick Harnish
>
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>
>
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Redline AN50e QoS

[Josh Luthman]

You can get a better answer from sup...@redlinecommunications.com (it's VERY
good and free, don't worry) but to my knowledge it's about as capable (in
this respect) as a Dlink switch from Walmart.  Packet is a packet to them.

I run VoIP over my network over several AN50s.  I know when I was stuck at
one tower site I was on the phone for most of the day going through 4 links
of AN50s and MikroTik backhaul.

Though I have to admit I have had customers use the same phone on a cable
connection with 5m/384k and some one got into their linksys and used all of
the connection for p2p/torrents.  It merely caused a good 2-3 second delay
in the conversation, but fine otherwise.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Does anybody know if Redline's AN50e support any low-latency modes,
> Diffserv or any other QoS prioritization for VOIP applications? The latest
> firmware I have (1.36.046) does not have these features.
>
> -Eric
>



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Approved Ad] WISP-Router February Newsletter

[Blair Davis]

This ad was useful!  Thanks!



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Re: [WISPA] Odd email...

[David E. Smith]

Blair Davis wrote:

> You have been unsubscribed from the Announcements mailing list.

That's because, while finishing up the other stuff Rick Harnish 
mentioned, I made a couple typos and accidentally unsubscribed everyone. 
Twice. I am a human wrecking ball, apparently.

Everyone has been re-added, and I apologize for the confusion.

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[WISPA] WISPA membership: was: Re: Announcements List

[Milton Calnek]

Hi,

I'm wondering what does it take to be a member of WISPA?


Rick Harnish wrote:
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[WISPA] Odd email...

[Blair Davis]

I just got a blank email with the subject line:

You have been unsubscribed from the Announcements mailing list.

I didn't request this





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[Rick Harnish]

We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list.  This list has
been around for a long time but was never really used.  This list will be
set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email
addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list.  The list
will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through.


 

The purposes of this list will be:

1.   New Member Introductions

2.   WISPA Press Releases

3.   Member News (Press Releases from Members)

4.   Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola
List does) 

5.   Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so
that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists.

6.   Fundraising Posts

7.   ..

8.   ..

 

This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well.  If you
received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it.  We had to
remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list.  My intent is
to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than
one list.  If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may
have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs
we operate.

 

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

[Eric Albert]

Hi Gino,

I am glad to be here. Thanks much. 

When you follow the link I sent earlier (I got it from www.wispa.org)
you will get three items in return; a ROI white paper that covers most
of your questions from below, a datasheet on the product line and a link
to a video that a partner put together detailing a drive test. Very cool
stuff. 

Check the link out and if you have unanswered questions please let me
know.

One more note. A few months back we put out an excellent guide on how to
obtain the 3.65 license from the FCC. It was authored by a former
Alvarion person who is no stranger to the list. (Gotta give credit where
credit is due, we are still friends.)If anyone needs a hand on how to
get authorized for the band, whether you are implementing our gear or
the next guy's, this is the place to start.

http://www.alvarion.com/3650licenseguidedownload/?ref=WISPA.org&source_t
ype=Text

For both iterations of our 3.65 product line you do not need an ASN.
DHCP for the CPE broadcast domain is definitely a good idea. We don't
require DHCP to manage the network. 

As in any network an NMS is always a good idea. I have never met a
doctor that does not carry a stethoscope. Network visibility, trending,
alarming, software updates are all important tasks any operator faces.
However, we do not require an NMS right out of the gate. You could
migrate to our own NMS called Alvaristar as well as a configuration tool
called Alvaricraft. Since we support SNMP you could use your own tools
already in place as well.  

I hope this helps folks. 


Eric Albert
|
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:10 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Eric,

Glad youre here... Can you awnser the following questions related to the
Micro unit?

Is this 16d?

Would the Micro work 4th order or just 2nd order?

Whats the channel size?

Whats the Rated bandwidth?

Total bandwidth per Micro unit?


Do we need any additional elements like asn gateway, nms, dhcp server to
operate?  


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Albert
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hey guys. We just released a new 3.65 product with some cool bundles.
Check them out here or check with your distributor.

http://www.alvarion.com/3650performancedownload/?ref=WISPA.org&source_ty
pe=Banner


Eric Albert
|
Application Engineer
Alvarion Inc.
|

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:44 PM
To: isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com; Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA
General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hi,

Any suggestions for a 3.65ghz sector? Need 60-90 degrees and something
affordable.

Travis
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[WISPA] OT: Redline AN50e QoS

[Eric Muehleisen]

Does anybody know if Redline's AN50e support any low-latency modes, 
Diffserv or any other QoS prioritization for VOIP applications? The 
latest firmware I have (1.36.046) does not have these features.

-Eric



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Re: [WISPA] NWR:cellular phone question

[John Valenti]

Like Jack suggests, you really need to check with Verizon.

I'm pretty sure there might be potential features that Sprint has  
turned on for that phone, that would prevent Verizon from working with  
it.  For instance, I had an older Verizon phone that didn't include  
location features and Verizon refused to turn it on.  (even though the  
phone I was using was even older and didn't include location tracking  
either)

Eighteen months ago Verizon said they were moving to a more open  
system, but I don't think they have moved very far in that direction  
yet.


On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Same band means yes.  Just unlock the phone.
>
> On 2/9/09, Jack Unger  wrote:
>> Why not ask Verizon?
>>
>> w...@aol.com wrote:
>>> Anyone know if you can take a Sprint cdma phone and have Verizon  
>>> activate
>>> it
>>> for use on their cdma system?
>>>
>>> Walter




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Re: [WISPA] NWR:cellular phone question

[Josh Luthman]

Same band means yes.  Just unlock the phone.

On 2/9/09, Jack Unger  wrote:
> Why not ask Verizon?
>
> w...@aol.com wrote:
>> Anyone know if you can take a Sprint cdma phone and have Verizon activate
>> it
>> for use on their cdma system?
>>
>> Walter
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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Thinking out of the box... Gigabit PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

[Brian Webster]

Well if this is certified as a PTP system then it would be allowed to run
under those power levels. I have seen manufacturer claims for 24 GHz PTP
systems of 2-3 miles and up to 5 miles at lower throughput. The rain fade
for any given market is going to have a lot more to do with that however.



Thank You,
Brian Webster



-Original Message-
From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Nathan Stooke
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:32 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List'; 'Motorola Canopy List'
Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the
box... Gigabit PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.


Hello,

I am all for it.  You have to pick the right equipment/spectrum for
the right tower/area.  I have at least 10 maybe more towers that have about
1000+ potential customers within about 1.5 miles of the tower.  It would
allow me to use the current 2.4, 5.2-5.8 on other towers for the clients I
could not get or at least have less AP in those bands on these towers.

At best guess what would be the range of the spectrum?

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:08 PM
To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit
PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

So I have been thinking about this idea and here's what could be done.
Disclaimer: This won't be sub $100 CPE and it won't scale economically for
rural areas. This is metro market high customer density stuff.

The 24 GHz band has 250 MHz of spectrum available as unlicensed (available
today).
It is designated for PTP.
Navini and SkyPilot have successfully won arguments with the FCC to get
their multipoint systems certified as PTP using logic that only one client
talks to the base at one time.
The JRC system is TDD and even more able to make the argument that only one
base and CPE are talking on any frequency at one time.
The JRC system can deliver up to 46 mb throughput per channel. Channels are
26 MHz wide, so you could easily build up a 6 sector or more system.
Each JRC base station/sector can support 239 CPE's.
The product is available today and would only have to be moved down from the
26 GHz they use it on in Japan (JRC has already stated they can do this).
The challenge is getting the units FCC certified for use in the 24 GHz band
as a PTP system.
If a person or group hired the lab/lawyer who got Navini and SkyPilot
approved they should have a good shot at getting this done.
The FCC has already set precedent to do this.
TDD is more easily argued that it is a PTP system on any given frequency at
any given time.
24 GHz is a signal that is easily contained and manageable from a noise
perspective.
There are no consumer level devices operating in this band.

This band is available today, no waiting for public policy and political
whims to make spectrum available. This would be innovation. It could be done
so fast that pundits or competitors could not use their political influence
to thwart the effort. This could happen before they knew what hit them.

Trees and buildings will be an issue as is distance with the propagation,
but where else can you try to make something like this work today with
already developed product and 250 MHz of spectrum? It's certainly an idea
worth considering and could compete for high bandwidth customers in metro
markets against cable and fiber.

You decide, is the glass half empty or half full?

http://www.jrc.co.jp/eng/product/26g_fwa/index.html

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?


Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice.  However, I would expect it
to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service

I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or the
original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite
expensive.  Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's probably
more cost effective to just bury fiber.

 Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US.  I'm not sure who else
has spectrum.

I'd look at these sites as well...

http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php
https://www.lmdsxchange.com/


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Thinking 

Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net

[eje]

I think your referring to IkarusOS which is a different product then Ez-y net.  

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: "Mike Hammett" 

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:33:17 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net


Indeed.  I actually received two copies of an OS of his at one of the 
WISPCONs.  I didn't have any boards that took CF cards, so I never got to 
try it out.

I don't remember the name of it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "George Rogato" 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] E-zy.net

> Hello Dimitri
>
> Congradts to you and your partners on developing a product that wisps
> can use to their advantage.
>
> I don't think we have seen an introduction of you and your compay on the
> wispa lists.
>
> Why don't you take this time to introduce yourself, and your company and
> products to the list.
>
> For those who don't know Dimitri, he is a long time wisp who used to be
> very active on these various wisp lists.
> I'm sure developing his product and company has minimized  his
> socializing  on the various lists.
>
> George
>
> Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote:
>> E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default.
>>
>> We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so
>> you do not end up "wishing" you had enabled it before.
>>
>> Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts
>> for all services not just SSH.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Dimitri
>> http://www.e-zy.net
>>
>> EZ-Go-2 Now shipping at $83.00 MSRP
>> http://www.e-zy.net/outdoor/EZ-Go/
>>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] E-zy.net

[Mike Hammett]

Indeed.  I actually received two copies of an OS of his at one of the 
WISPCONs.  I didn't have any boards that took CF cards, so I never got to 
try it out.

I don't remember the name of it.


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--
From: "George Rogato" 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:04 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] E-zy.net

> Hello Dimitri
>
> Congradts to you and your partners on developing a product that wisps
> can use to their advantage.
>
> I don't think we have seen an introduction of you and your compay on the
> wispa lists.
>
> Why don't you take this time to introduce yourself, and your company and
> products to the list.
>
> For those who don't know Dimitri, he is a long time wisp who used to be
> very active on these various wisp lists.
> I'm sure developing his product and company has minimized  his
> socializing  on the various lists.
>
> George
>
> Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote:
>> E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default.
>>
>> We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so
>> you do not end up "wishing" you had enabled it before.
>>
>> Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts
>> for all services not just SSH.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Dimitri
>> http://www.e-zy.net
>>
>> EZ-Go-2 Now shipping at $83.00 MSRP
>> http://www.e-zy.net/outdoor/EZ-Go/
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

[Nathan Stooke]

Hello,

I am all for it.  You have to pick the right equipment/spectrum for
the right tower/area.  I have at least 10 maybe more towers that have about
1000+ potential customers within about 1.5 miles of the tower.  It would
allow me to use the current 2.4, 5.2-5.8 on other towers for the clients I
could not get or at least have less AP in those bands on these towers.

At best guess what would be the range of the spectrum?

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:08 PM
To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit
PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

So I have been thinking about this idea and here's what could be done.
Disclaimer: This won't be sub $100 CPE and it won't scale economically for
rural areas. This is metro market high customer density stuff.

The 24 GHz band has 250 MHz of spectrum available as unlicensed (available
today).
It is designated for PTP.
Navini and SkyPilot have successfully won arguments with the FCC to get
their multipoint systems certified as PTP using logic that only one client
talks to the base at one time.
The JRC system is TDD and even more able to make the argument that only one
base and CPE are talking on any frequency at one time.
The JRC system can deliver up to 46 mb throughput per channel. Channels are
26 MHz wide, so you could easily build up a 6 sector or more system.
Each JRC base station/sector can support 239 CPE's.
The product is available today and would only have to be moved down from the
26 GHz they use it on in Japan (JRC has already stated they can do this).
The challenge is getting the units FCC certified for use in the 24 GHz band
as a PTP system.
If a person or group hired the lab/lawyer who got Navini and SkyPilot
approved they should have a good shot at getting this done.
The FCC has already set precedent to do this.
TDD is more easily argued that it is a PTP system on any given frequency at
any given time.
24 GHz is a signal that is easily contained and manageable from a noise
perspective.
There are no consumer level devices operating in this band.

This band is available today, no waiting for public policy and political
whims to make spectrum available. This would be innovation. It could be done
so fast that pundits or competitors could not use their political influence
to thwart the effort. This could happen before they knew what hit them.

Trees and buildings will be an issue as is distance with the propagation,
but where else can you try to make something like this work today with
already developed product and 250 MHz of spectrum? It's certainly an idea
worth considering and could compete for high bandwidth customers in metro
markets against cable and fiber.

You decide, is the glass half empty or half full?

http://www.jrc.co.jp/eng/product/26g_fwa/index.html

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?


Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice.  However, I would expect it
to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service

I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or the
original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite
expensive.  Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's probably
more cost effective to just bury fiber.

 Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US.  I'm not sure who else
has spectrum.

I'd look at these sites as well...

http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php
https://www.lmdsxchange.com/


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

> Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative
> to FTTH...
>
> At least a short range  (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP
> system to the home to provide triple play services.
>
> With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there
> an alterenative?
>
> Couple of ideas came in to my mind ...
>
> Rebirth of LMDS?  AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states,
> spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... no big networks were built
> ...but all this was almost 10 years ago, with today technology could a
> cost effective platform be developed to provide GIgabit PTMP on LMDS?
> MIMO Radio + 256

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Thinking out of the box ... GigabitPTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

[Brian Webster]

Gino,
No I do not have any pricing information. 


Thank You,
Brian Webster

-Original Message-
From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:16 PM
To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List;
Motorola Canopy List
Subject: RE: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ...
GigabitPTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.


Brian, do you have any pricing info on this product?

I know it wont be $100 cpe but $3000 cpe wont cut it either 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:08 PM
To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ...
GigabitPTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

So I have been thinking about this idea and here's what could be done.
Disclaimer: This won't be sub $100 CPE and it won't scale economically
for rural areas. This is metro market high customer density stuff.

The 24 GHz band has 250 MHz of spectrum available as unlicensed
(available today).
It is designated for PTP.
Navini and SkyPilot have successfully won arguments with the FCC to get
their multipoint systems certified as PTP using logic that only one
client talks to the base at one time.
The JRC system is TDD and even more able to make the argument that only
one base and CPE are talking on any frequency at one time.
The JRC system can deliver up to 46 mb throughput per channel. Channels
are
26 MHz wide, so you could easily build up a 6 sector or more system.
Each JRC base station/sector can support 239 CPE's.
The product is available today and would only have to be moved down from
the
26 GHz they use it on in Japan (JRC has already stated they can do
this).
The challenge is getting the units FCC certified for use in the 24 GHz
band as a PTP system.
If a person or group hired the lab/lawyer who got Navini and SkyPilot
approved they should have a good shot at getting this done.
The FCC has already set precedent to do this.
TDD is more easily argued that it is a PTP system on any given frequency
at any given time.
24 GHz is a signal that is easily contained and manageable from a noise
perspective.
There are no consumer level devices operating in this band.

This band is available today, no waiting for public policy and political
whims to make spectrum available. This would be innovation. It could be
done so fast that pundits or competitors could not use their political
influence to thwart the effort. This could happen before they knew what
hit them.

Trees and buildings will be an issue as is distance with the
propagation, but where else can you try to make something like this work
today with already developed product and 250 MHz of spectrum? It's
certainly an idea worth considering and could compete for high bandwidth
customers in metro markets against cable and fiber.

You decide, is the glass half empty or half full?

http://www.jrc.co.jp/eng/product/26g_fwa/index.html

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?


Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice.  However, I would expect
it to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not
present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service

I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or
the original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite
expensive.  Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's
probably more cost effective to just bury fiber.

 Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US.  I'm not sure who
else has spectrum.

I'd look at these sites as well...

http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php
https://www.lmdsxchange.com/


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

> Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative

> to FTTH...
>
> At least a short range  (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP 
> system to the home to provide triple play services.
>
> With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there

> an alterenative?
>
> Couple of ideas came in to my mind ...
>
> Rebirth of LMDS?  AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states, 
> spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... n

Re: [WISPA] NWR:cellular phone question

[Jack Unger]

Why not ask Verizon?

w...@aol.com wrote:
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> for use on their cdma system?
>
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Anyone know if you can take a Sprint cdma phone and have Verizon activate  it 
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Thinking out of the box ... GigabitPTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

[Gino Villarini]

Brian, do you have any pricing info on this product?

I know it wont be $100 cpe but $3000 cpe wont cut it either 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:08 PM
To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy List; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ...
GigabitPTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

So I have been thinking about this idea and here's what could be done.
Disclaimer: This won't be sub $100 CPE and it won't scale economically
for rural areas. This is metro market high customer density stuff.

The 24 GHz band has 250 MHz of spectrum available as unlicensed
(available today).
It is designated for PTP.
Navini and SkyPilot have successfully won arguments with the FCC to get
their multipoint systems certified as PTP using logic that only one
client talks to the base at one time.
The JRC system is TDD and even more able to make the argument that only
one base and CPE are talking on any frequency at one time.
The JRC system can deliver up to 46 mb throughput per channel. Channels
are
26 MHz wide, so you could easily build up a 6 sector or more system.
Each JRC base station/sector can support 239 CPE's.
The product is available today and would only have to be moved down from
the
26 GHz they use it on in Japan (JRC has already stated they can do
this).
The challenge is getting the units FCC certified for use in the 24 GHz
band as a PTP system.
If a person or group hired the lab/lawyer who got Navini and SkyPilot
approved they should have a good shot at getting this done.
The FCC has already set precedent to do this.
TDD is more easily argued that it is a PTP system on any given frequency
at any given time.
24 GHz is a signal that is easily contained and manageable from a noise
perspective.
There are no consumer level devices operating in this band.

This band is available today, no waiting for public policy and political
whims to make spectrum available. This would be innovation. It could be
done so fast that pundits or competitors could not use their political
influence to thwart the effort. This could happen before they knew what
hit them.

Trees and buildings will be an issue as is distance with the
propagation, but where else can you try to make something like this work
today with already developed product and 250 MHz of spectrum? It's
certainly an idea worth considering and could compete for high bandwidth
customers in metro markets against cable and fiber.

You decide, is the glass half empty or half full?

http://www.jrc.co.jp/eng/product/26g_fwa/index.html

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?


Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice.  However, I would expect
it to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not
present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service

I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or
the original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite
expensive.  Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's
probably more cost effective to just bury fiber.

 Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US.  I'm not sure who
else has spectrum.

I'd look at these sites as well...

http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php
https://www.lmdsxchange.com/


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

> Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative

> to FTTH...
>
> At least a short range  (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP 
> system to the home to provide triple play services.
>
> With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there

> an alterenative?
>
> Couple of ideas came in to my mind ...
>
> Rebirth of LMDS?  AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states, 
> spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... no big networks were 
> built ...but all this was almost 10 years ago, with today technology 
> could a cost effective platform be developed to provide GIgabit PTMP
on LMDS?
> MIMO Radio + 256qam + big spectrum means big bandwidth
>
> PTMP 24 ghz?  Could a PTMP UL 24 ghz be developed?  upconvert and bond

> multiple 802.11n based links with a polling mac?
>
> Anyone would like to add something?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarin

Re: [WISPA] Senate to cut Rural Broadband from Stimulus Bill!

[Steve Smith]

I agree with John's summary of how it works.

If you want to see the current Senate version go to www.senate.gov

On the right you will see a link for active legislation.

Under the popular titles you can see the current version plus the
amendments.

The combined House/Senate version is what matters and the conference
committee report (merged bills) can't be written until the Senate passes its
version.

>From everything I read though there will be a bias towards projects that can
be started within 45 days of the passage of the legislation.  So have your
projects engineered and ready or if you don't want any in your region then
make sure NTIA and RUS know that you already provide advanced services.  I
kind of doubt anyone in the nation provides what they have in mind for fiber
broadband speeds.  The House version called for fiber networks to provide
45mb down 15 mb up and the Senate version calls 100mb down and 20mb up.
For wireless the House calls for 3 mb down and 1 mb up.  Senate says 3 mb
down and 768 k up.


Steve Smith
Chase 3000


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:50 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Senate to cut Rural Broadband from Stimulus Bill!

I believe this is a move that is happening to make the House and Senate
bills more closely aligned. Steve Coran also stated similar thoughts
regarding this move. The House bill had $6 Billion for broadband. The Senate
package allocated $9 Billion. Once both bills pass they must go to Committee
for a new version to be voted on by both House and Senate. Clearly the
dollar amounts must "meet in the middle" which means that the Senate ir
proactively getting their borabdand dollar amounts in line with what has
already passed the House. I know it is comfusing but creating new laws is
something that is a little tough on purpose so as to stop knee-jerk
legislative actions, or at least I think that is the reason behind the
convoluted steps created by the process. Some of my high school civics
lessons are beginning to float up through the fog that is my poor abused
brain.   :-)
Scriv


On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, St. Louis Broadband
wrote:

> "The Senate agreement pared from the bill $20 billion for school
> construction, $2 billion to expand broadband access in rural areas, $3.5
> billion to make federal buildings more energy efficient and $200 million
> for
> NASA. It also reduced a proposed subsidy that would allow the jobless to
> buy
> health insurance through their former employers."
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=adnIDRZKZQJw&refer=us
>
> This is NOT good.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

[Gino Villarini]

Eric,

Glad youre here... Can you awnser the following questions related to the
Micro unit?

Is this 16d?

Would the Micro work 4th order or just 2nd order?

Whats the channel size?

Whats the Rated bandwidth?

Total bandwidth per Micro unit?


Do we need any additional elements like asn gateway, nms, dhcp server to
operate?  


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tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Albert
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hey guys. We just released a new 3.65 product with some cool bundles.
Check them out here or check with your distributor.

http://www.alvarion.com/3650performancedownload/?ref=WISPA.org&source_ty
pe=Banner


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Subject: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hi,

Any suggestions for a 3.65ghz sector? Need 60-90 degrees and something
affordable.

Travis
Microserv




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Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP? Possible solution that could be done today.

[Brian Webster]

So I have been thinking about this idea and here's what could be done.
Disclaimer: This won't be sub $100 CPE and it won't scale economically for
rural areas. This is metro market high customer density stuff.

The 24 GHz band has 250 MHz of spectrum available as unlicensed (available
today).
It is designated for PTP.
Navini and SkyPilot have successfully won arguments with the FCC to get
their multipoint systems certified as PTP using logic that only one client
talks to the base at one time.
The JRC system is TDD and even more able to make the argument that only one
base and CPE are talking on any frequency at one time.
The JRC system can deliver up to 46 mb throughput per channel. Channels are
26 MHz wide, so you could easily build up a 6 sector or more system.
Each JRC base station/sector can support 239 CPE's.
The product is available today and would only have to be moved down from the
26 GHz they use it on in Japan (JRC has already stated they can do this).
The challenge is getting the units FCC certified for use in the 24 GHz band
as a PTP system.
If a person or group hired the lab/lawyer who got Navini and SkyPilot
approved they should have a good shot at getting this done.
The FCC has already set precedent to do this.
TDD is more easily argued that it is a PTP system on any given frequency at
any given time.
24 GHz is a signal that is easily contained and manageable from a noise
perspective.
There are no consumer level devices operating in this band.

This band is available today, no waiting for public policy and political
whims to make spectrum available. This would be innovation. It could be done
so fast that pundits or competitors could not use their political influence
to thwart the effort. This could happen before they knew what hit them.

Trees and buildings will be an issue as is distance with the propagation,
but where else can you try to make something like this work today with
already developed product and 250 MHz of spectrum? It's certainly an idea
worth considering and could compete for high bandwidth customers in metro
markets against cable and fiber.

You decide, is the glass half empty or half full?

http://www.jrc.co.jp/eng/product/26g_fwa/index.html

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?


Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice.  However, I would expect it
to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service

I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or the
original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite
expensive.  Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's probably
more cost effective to just bury fiber.

 Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US.  I'm not sure who else
has spectrum.

I'd look at these sites as well...

http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php
https://www.lmdsxchange.com/


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From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

> Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative
> to FTTH...
>
> At least a short range  (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP
> system to the home to provide triple play services.
>
> With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there
> an alterenative?
>
> Couple of ideas came in to my mind ...
>
> Rebirth of LMDS?  AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states,
> spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... no big networks were built
> ...but all this was almost 10 years ago, with today technology could a
> cost effective platform be developed to provide GIgabit PTMP on LMDS?
> MIMO Radio + 256qam + big spectrum means big bandwidth
>
> PTMP 24 ghz?  Could a PTMP UL 24 ghz be developed?  upconvert and bond
> multiple 802.11n based links with a polling mac?
>
> Anyone would like to add something?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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[George Rogato]

Hello Dimitri

Congradts to you and your partners on developing a product that wisps 
can use to their advantage.

I don't think we have seen an introduction of you and your compay on the 
wispa lists.

Why don't you take this time to introduce yourself, and your company and 
products to the list.

For those who don't know Dimitri, he is a long time wisp who used to be 
very active on these various wisp lists.
I'm sure developing his product and company has minimized  his 
socializing  on the various lists.

George 

Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote:
> E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default.
>
> We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so
> you do not end up "wishing" you had enabled it before.
>
> Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts
> for all services not just SSH.
>
> Thank you
>
> Dimitri
> http://www.e-zy.net
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

[Eric Albert]

Hey guys. We just released a new 3.65 product with some cool bundles.
Check them out here or check with your distributor.

http://www.alvarion.com/3650performancedownload/?ref=WISPA.org&source_ty
pe=Banner


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Subject: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

Hi,

Any suggestions for a 3.65ghz sector? Need 60-90 degrees and something 
affordable.

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Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

[Mike Hammett]

Having that many GHz of spectrum would be nice.  However, I would expect it 
to be limited to industrial parks or anywhere where foliage is not present.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Multipoint_Distribution_Service

I would imagine that the cost to develop a new line of technology (or the 
original 802.16, which was meant for 10 GHz and up) would be quite 
expensive.  Given the small range for that high priced gear, it's probably 
more cost effective to just bury fiber.

 Nextlink (XO) is the major LMDS holder in the US.  I'm not sure who else 
has spectrum.

I'd look at these sites as well...

http://www.lmdswireless.com/index.php
https://www.lmdsxchange.com/


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Gino Villarini" 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:34 AM
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" 
Cc: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

> Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative
> to FTTH...
>
> At least a short range  (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP
> system to the home to provide triple play services.
>
> With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there
> an alterenative?
>
> Couple of ideas came in to my mind ...
>
> Rebirth of LMDS?  AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states,
> spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... no big networks were built
> ...but all this was almost 10 years ago, with today technology could a
> cost effective platform be developed to provide GIgabit PTMP on LMDS?
> MIMO Radio + 256qam + big spectrum means big bandwidth
>
> PTMP 24 ghz?  Could a PTMP UL 24 ghz be developed?  upconvert and bond
> multiple 802.11n based links with a polling mac?
>
> Anyone would like to add something?
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
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Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

[Mike Hammett]

You'd want 90* or smaller for every bit of gain you can get.


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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thinking out of the box ... Gigabit PTMP?

> I've mentioned this before but I think the only spectrum you can use to do
> this would be 60GHz.  Obvously, very short range but high speed.  I'm 
> pretty
> sure 24GHz can only be used for PTP links.  But, could be used as your
> backhaul to your 60GHz repeater site.  I don't know if this would work 
> with
> omni antennas but you could develop a small 120 degree sector I'm sure.
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> Today i have been pondering the idea to provide a wireless alternative
>> to FTTH...
>>
>> At least a short range  (up to 1 mile) 100 - 500 mbps wireless PTMP
>> system to the home to provide triple play services.
>>
>> With todays current products, I ll say it cant be done... but is there
>> an alterenative?
>>
>> Couple of ideas came in to my mind ...
>>
>> Rebirth of LMDS?  AFAIK LMDS has not had great success on the states,
>> spectrum was bidded, some gear was tested... no big networks were built
>> ...but all this was almost 10 years ago, with today technology could a
>> cost effective platform be developed to provide GIgabit PTMP on LMDS?
>> MIMO Radio + 256qam + big spectrum means big bandwidth
>>
>> PTMP 24 ghz?  Could a PTMP UL 24 ghz be developed?  upconvert and bond
>> multiple 802.11n based links with a polling mac?
>>
>> Anyone would like to add something?
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] [WISP] 2.4Ghz Noise Problems

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I agree that sectors are *often* much better than omnis.  But be careful

http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/2008/self+interference.html

Also, should have brought this up sooner.  Hi gain omni antennas suck swamp 
water.  I only have ONE that's 10dB.  NON that are higher.  Usually I use 
8dB omni's, even then I almost always put electrical downtilt on them (you 
buy them with it).

Read why here (going clear back to one I wrote in 2001)!!!

http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/2001/antenna_primer.html

Hope this helps,
marlon


- Original Message - 
From: "Marco Coelho" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WISP] 2.4Ghz Noise Problems


I'll second Marlon.  Sectorize your access points.  3 120° units will
lower your noise floor by 1/3 (assuming all your noise is equal
directionally).  This also allows for more bandwidth.


Marco

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer  
wrote:
> Ditch the band pass filter so that you can move your channels around.
>
> Use sectors where you can (two 120* units often really cover 360* pretty
> well).
>
> Use the Mikrotik AP's and turn on the squelch function (I forget what it's
> called).
>
> You've not told us if all customers have good los.
>
> Where is the noise coming from?
>
> What is the rssi at and from the customers?
>
> We need a LOT more information before we can offer any real help.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - From: "Chris Gotstein" 
> To: ; "Mikrotik discussions"
> ; 
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:27 PM
> Subject: [WISP] 2.4Ghz Noise Problems
>
>
>> We have had 2.4Ghz running on one of our towers since early 2001.  About 
>> 2
>> years ago the noise floor got bad and we moved from a vertical omni to a
>> horizontal omni.  That worked very well for the 20 clients we were 
>> serving
>> off it.  Within the last month, we are again having problems with noise.
>> We've replaced the antenna with a lower gain horizontal omni, replaced
>> cables and even replaced the AP itself.  Currently, this is a RB411AH 
>> with
>> XR2 AP running off a 13db Omni.  I have a band-pass filter that is 
>> blocking
>> everything but channel 1.  That has helped, but still seeing lots of 
>> noise
>> and clients dropping on and off.  Would moving to horizontal sectors help
>> the problem, or would i be better off just dumping 2.4 for something 
>> else?
>>  I'd hate for us to spend money on 4 sectors and 3 new APs to come up 
>> with
>> the same results.  Any advice?
>>
>> --
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>> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
>> 500 N Stephenson Ave
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Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount

[eje]

Thanks for the correction. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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From: "Dimitrios Sidiropoulos" 

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:33:21 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount


E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default.

We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so
you do not end up "wishing" you had enabled it before.

Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts
for all services not just SSH.

Thank you

Dimitri
http://www.e-zy.net

EZ-Go-2 Now shipping at $83.00 MSRP
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> On ezy.net and Ubiquiti units you can activate ssh service so you can ssh
> to them and not only utilize the web interface.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mark Nash" 
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:58:30
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
>
> I agree... Just put one up and try it.  Don't be afraid of the learning
> curve.  The performance and flexibility is outstanding.
>
> Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface.  I can't
> tell you how many times I've done this:
>
> 1.  Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE.
> 2.  ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that
> client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my
> workstation).
> 3.  Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll.
>
> We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over & over again.
>
> I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue
> about this ability.  You can essentially move about your network using
> ssh,
> hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you
> want.
> You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from
> there to wherever on your network you want to go.
>
> Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower
> site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at
> the office reach it and configure it.  VERY POWERFUL!!
>
> I say let go of the web interface.  I did and I'm glad I did.  My name is
> Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;)
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "CHUCK PROFITO" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
>
>> Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never
>> on
>> the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service
>> limitations, most users help new users a lot.  And I might add, you are
>> not
>> locked into only Star OS for SU's.  Short range we have used nanos and
>> now
>> bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star.
>> You
>> are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill
>> the
>> needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have
>> a
>> new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for
>> you
>> to learn about it.
>>
>> Chuck Profito
>> 209-988-7388
>> CV-ACCESS, INC
>> cprof...@cv-access.com
>> Providing High Speed Broadband
>> to Rural Central California
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>> Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product
>> back
>> in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>> I'll chime in and say:
>>
>> 1. Great product.  Great performance
>> 2. Forums support is hit and miss.  I've read alot of the forum articles
>> and
>>
>> there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there.
>> 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has
>> had
>> for months.  When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the
>> answer
>> "Our JTAG programming system is not working".
>>
>> So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers
>> therefore
>>
>> we suffer.  If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the
>> forums, it's very powerful.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Sat

Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount

[D. Ryan Spott]

It's too late! :(

I needed information back in October when Mtik/Tranzeo was having such 
difficulty

ryan

George Miller wrote:
> Ryan - Give us a call at 651-319-9106 if you would like any information, or
> drop me an email directly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
> President, Freespace Systems
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
> I researched them heavily but was completely unable to get a phone- 
> call back from ANY of the vendors listed as resellers!
>
> You wanna know why the 'conomy sucks? Cause sales-droids are not  
> returning phone calls!
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
>   
>> Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great  
>> product back
>> in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
>> On
>> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>> I'll chime in and say:
>>
>> 1. Great product.  Great performance
>> 2. Forums support is hit and miss.  I've read alot of the forum  
>> articles and
>>
>> there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there.
>> 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor)  
>> has had
>> for months.  When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the  
>> answer
>> "Our JTAG programming system is not working".
>>
>> So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers  
>> therefore
>>
>> we suffer.  If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in  
>> the
>> forums, it's very powerful.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>>
>> 
>>> Jerry
>>> There is a lot of products out there now.
>>>
>>> Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more
>>> favorable endorsement of one of the other.
>>>
>>> I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a  
>>> great
>>> thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for choices in
>>> products that actually work reliably right out of the box.
>>> But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's
>>> the product that fits your business. And a different product for each
>>> specific need.
>>>
>>> Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it.
>>>
>>> The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what  
>>> you
>>> expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself better.
>>> I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems
>>> all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable.
>>> The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But
>>> when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it.
>>>
>>> The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features  
>>> when
>>> added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only way  
>>> that
>>> happens is releasing a broken product and letting the testers find  
>>> the
>>> problems, so they can fix them.
>>>
>>> Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to  
>>> programing
>>> a radio and a router you should have no problems programing and
>>> configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar with routing.
>>>
>>> If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most
>>> likely will run into problems and need forum help.
>>>
>>> The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and
>>> deficiencies in their product.
>>> Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or
>>> config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the
>>> manufacturer's responsibility.
>>>
>>> They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where  
>>> they
>>> have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them out.
>>>
>>> Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the  
>>> forums.
>>>
>>> I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this
>>> positive feedback.
>>>
>>> I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product  
>>> that
>>> many of us use.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>   
 Comments/experiences please?

 This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other  
 solutions
 and as a real manufacturer there is real supp

Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount

[Dimitrios Sidiropoulos]

E-zy.net has SSH and Telnet enabled by default.

We just want to make sure the service is available when you need it, so
you do not end up "wishing" you had enabled it before.

Of course you have to make sure you change your passwords but this counts
for all services not just SSH.

Thank you

Dimitri
http://www.e-zy.net

EZ-Go-2 Now shipping at $83.00 MSRP
http://www.e-zy.net/outdoor/EZ-Go/

> On ezy.net and Ubiquiti units you can activate ssh service so you can ssh
> to them and not only utilize the web interface.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mark Nash" 
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:58:30
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
>
> I agree... Just put one up and try it.  Don't be afraid of the learning
> curve.  The performance and flexibility is outstanding.
>
> Also, there's alot to be said about NOT having a web interface.  I can't
> tell you how many times I've done this:
>
> 1.  Realized I screwed up the gateway address or IP address on the CPE.
> 2.  ssh into the AP, put and IP address on the wireless interface that
> client is associated with, ssh TO the client FROM the AP (not from my
> workstation).
> 3.  Been on my merry way and not have had a truck roll.
>
> We use methods like these to prevent truck rolls over & over again.
>
> I wish that the other, mainstream product manufacturers would get a clue
> about this ability.  You can essentially move about your network using
> ssh,
> hopping from one device to another until you can reach the device you
> want.
> You can ssh from your computer or PDA to your border router, then ssh from
> there to wherever on your network you want to go.
>
> Also with this method, it is possible to take a brand new AP to a tower
> site, set to defaults (with default IP address) and have the guys back at
> the office reach it and configure it.  VERY POWERFUL!!
>
> I say let go of the web interface.  I did and I'm glad I did.  My name is
> Mark and I'm an ssh junkie... ;)
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "CHUCK PROFITO" 
> To: "'WISPA General List'" 
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
>
>> Is is one heck of a product, it just has a learning curve, and is never
>> on
>> the 'bleeding edege', and since everybody knows Lonnie's' service
>> limitations, most users help new users a lot.  And I might add, you are
>> not
>> locked into only Star OS for SU's.  Short range we have used nanos and
>> now
>> bullets and other boards, business customers still get Star to Star.
>> You
>> are not locked into a Mfg. And you can tailor the tower sites to fill
>> the
>> needs of the environment, and the Star OS tools are amazing. If you have
>> a
>> new tower or small repeater site to put up, it may be a great time for
>> you
>> to learn about it.
>>
>> Chuck Profito
>> 209-988-7388
>> CV-ACCESS, INC
>> cprof...@cv-access.com
>> Providing High Speed Broadband
>> to Rural Central California
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 9:51 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>> Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product
>> back
>> in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mark Nash
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>> I'll chime in and say:
>>
>> 1. Great product.  Great performance
>> 2. Forums support is hit and miss.  I've read alot of the forum articles
>> and
>>
>> there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there.
>> 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has
>> had
>> for months.  When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the
>> answer
>> "Our JTAG programming system is not working".
>>
>> So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers
>> therefore
>>
>> we suffer.  If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in the
>> forums, it's very powerful.
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "George Rogato" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>>
>>
>>> Jerry
>>> There is a lot of products out there now.
>>>
>>> Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more
>>> favorable e

Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook

[Marlon K. Schafer]

The thread under the article really does show how poor of a job most of us 
do in getting our names out.

I know in MY case I don't advertise much at all.  Our growth already nearly 
exceeds our cash flow.  If I grew much faster I'd grow myself right out of 
business

But still.


laters,
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP/Lenovo Netbook


>I have seen several HP laptops - nothing really good or bad about them,
> they're just out there.
>
> I am a die hard fan of Thinkpad,  Thinkpads for me.  Thinkpad moved their
> manufacturing half to Lenovo.
>
> I just bought our new employee a $500 Lenovo from Systemax/Infotel and I'm
> quite impressed.  There are touch sensitive buttons for media, the screen
> has NO latch to break (it's magnetic or part of the hinge).  The keyboard
> isn't quite Thinkpad goodness but is still better then most.  The screen 
> is
> awfully reflective.  Battery LEDs on the chassis itself is also a bonus.
> Great specs for an installer.  Also I should note Butch Evans has used a
> Lenovo for years - he has proven his laptop works quite well as a Linux
> workstation.  I only wish I could make that leap.
>
> For $500 I couldn't be happier - I need to get one myself (ethernet port
> fried) but I need it dock capable.  Not sure if Lenovo offers that.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:00 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Anyone using one of these? Would love to hear pros and cons
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount

[Jeff Broadwick]

Then you should call a sales professional vs. a "sales droid".  :-)

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount

I researched them heavily but was completely unable to get a phone- call
back from ANY of the vendors listed as resellers!

You wanna know why the 'conomy sucks? Cause sales-droids are not returning
phone calls!

ryan


On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

> Boy I tell ya what. StarOS was looking like a hell-uv-a great product 
> back in the days of the Mikrotik/Tranzeo reconnect issues
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Mark Nash
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
> I'll chime in and say:
>
> 1. Great product.  Great performance
> 2. Forums support is hit and miss.  I've read alot of the forum 
> articles and
>
> there seems to be alot of arrogance and opinionated views there.
> 3. I have bad units that Freespace Systems (their US distributor) has 
> had for months.  When I inquired about them a few weeks ago, I got the 
> answer "Our JTAG programming system is not working".
>
> So, overall... Good product, very usable, customer service suffers 
> therefore
>
> we suffer.  If you can handle dealing with things on your own or in 
> the forums, it's very powerful.
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Rogato" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS/Valemount
>
>
>> Jerry
>> There is a lot of products out there now.
>>
>> Quite a few are members of wispa and I don't want to give a more 
>> favorable endorsement of one of the other.
>>
>> I see a lot of wisps happy with the products they use and thats a 
>> great thing. I think there is no better time as up till now for 
>> choices in products that actually work reliably right out of the box.
>> But, I don't believe there is a best and the rest worse, I think it's 
>> the product that fits your business. And a different product for each 
>> specific need.
>>
>> Having said all that, I use Star and have no issues with it.
>>
>> The upgrade software versions that some one else mentioned, is what 
>> you expect for a product that never stops trying to make itself 
>> better.
>> I have systems of star from 6 years back working flawless and systems 
>> all the way up to the last version working that are ultra stable.
>> The latest version in beta 1.4.x is too new for me to mess with. But 
>> when it gets to maturity, I will probably upgrade to it.
>>
>> The newest versions have the most advanced features. Those features 
>> when added have to have the bugs worked out to get to stable. Only 
>> way that happens is releasing a broken product and letting the 
>> testers find the problems, so they can fix them.
>>
>> Support is all on the forums, and really, if you are used to 
>> programing a radio and a router you should have no problems 
>> programing and configuring a star ap. You just have to be familiar 
>> with routing.
>>
>> If a person is not familiar with configuring a router then they most 
>> likely will run into problems and need forum help.
>>
>> The Star-os guys are there for feedback on real issues and bugs and 
>> deficiencies in their product.
>> Helping people figure out how to make to radios talk to each other or 
>> config ospf bgp or something like that is above and beyond the 
>> manufacturer's responsibility.
>>
>> They do offer advice and help and I've seen countless times where 
>> they have personally logged into their wisps systems to help them 
>> out.
>>
>> Some of the very best support comes from the other users on the 
>> forums.
>>
>> I don't sell anything and I don't make anything from giving this 
>> positive feedback.
>>
>> I just hate to see the wrong opinion be touted about a good product 
>> that many of us use.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> Comments/experiences please?
>>>
>>> This product appears to be a bit more refined than some other 
>>> solutions and as a real manufacturer there is real support rather 
>>> than having to pay for it. Plus it appears to be FCC certified with 
>>> a number of antennas
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> VP Operations
>>> 925-260-4119
>>> P Please consider the environment before printing this email
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> --
> --