A new movement started after Meraki turned to the dark-side a few years ago
Open Mesh Picks Up Where Meraki Left Off
As in, dirt cheap mesh networking gear for communities
A new mesh-networking project by the co-founder of NetEquality and the
developer of mesh-networking management software
Right. You don't was to be the cause of a "runner" the next time they
vacuum.
Brian
John Scrivner wrote:
Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You
can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating
runs in the carpet.
Scriv
On
We have a special event coming to town and I want to provide Hotspot
access for them. I already have a hotspot setup for users around town. I
want to setup a second hotspot with custom pages for the event users.
Can I have separate HTML?
Mark
Yes.
Setup the directory structure. Put in the files. Set the new hotspot to
point to the new structure in the Hotspot server profile.
You can also setup a virtual AP on the exisiting radio and connect the
new hotspot to it.
Mark McElvy wrote:
We have a special event coming to town and I want
Yes. Just specify a different html directory for the new hotspot server and
upload your other design to that folder on the MT.
/Eje
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc
--Original Message--
From: Mark McElvy
Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
To: Mikrotik discussions
To: WISPA General List
ReplyTo:
Ya, don't know why ya don't want a MT solution. Been there done that
and it works :)
* ---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP
Mr. Burgess,
What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
see an online repository of scripts for programming or even a
os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
What frightens me about taking the leap into Mikrotik is it appears
the web interface is of no use in the advanced configuration and it
sounds like one must get heavily into the CLI and scripting. I don't
see an online repository of scripts for
Winbox. Then very little need for CLI. There is nothing you can not do through
winbox that you can not do through CLI. Scripting most people do not use it or
just use it to execute simple CLI instructions. You have a bunch of script
samples on wiki.mikrotik.com.
Like with any advanced
The winbox interface will do everything you need in the mesh setup. If
you want a turn key solution, its not what you are going to use. I can
see that as you want something you plug in and it does magic, maybe. lol.
There is no scripting that is needed in mikrotik, and like I said, you
can
One of the big things with MT as David said, is that normally people are
used to doing routing on one device. Now you have 800+ things it can
do. Putting it all together is the hard part.
I do a training class on-line, that is designed to teach everything
about RouterOS. We teach TCP/IP,
Mr. Burgess and the others who responded - thanks!
I just downloaded Winbox and I'll be trying it with the x86 version on
an old PC first.
Mikrotik seems inevitable if one's network progresses beyond the
something very small and simple. Thanks for the push!
Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 11:08
Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
If so, I would disagree that this is a good mesh implementation.
There are many, many more factors to consider when building an
infrastructure mesh. The
It's called survival. We've all been put into a bad position through
no fault of our own. Since we have no control, all we can do it react.
You cant blame someone for that.
-RickG
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
Businesses come and go too Mark.
**sigh** So anyhow, about my chest hair..
`S
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Mr. Burgess
Jerry-
Thanks - is the Engenius product no longer supported? I couldn't find anything
on Engenius website about it and seems like only a few distributors have this
product in stock. Deliberant is in the same enclosure as OSBridge uses for
their full duplex backhauls.
It'd be cool to combo a
Mr. Bledsoe,
I've heard it said that WDS isn't the best option for mesh because
under WDS each AP is going to repeat every packet regardless of the
physical location and whether or not the data needs to pass that AP in
order to get from the gateway AP to the AP the client for whom
I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't
have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it
(not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm
This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and
which
I think you are making the point that "mesh" is a very broad term; it's
like "happiness" - there are many flavors...
Harold Bledsoe wrote:
Well there is also the mesh part too. Is this what you guys are talking
about when you say MT mesh: http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Mesh_wds
If so, I
David,
Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask,
one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA
money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had
with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been
cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million.
From experience this is not how the bridging used in MikroTik and its WDS
setup is doing. It only forward the traffic where it needs to go.
/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:40:46
To: WISPA General
MikroTik has its MME implementation that is what should be used instead of
using WDS for a mesh setup. MME is as true mesh as it gets.
/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Harold Bledsoe hbled...@deliberant.net
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:52:39
To: WISPA
Blake Bowers wrote:
Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask,
one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA
money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had
with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been
cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it
I'd say that the issue is not really related to WDS but the fact that
WDS is just a way to connect APs peer to peer. There needs to be some
sort of intelligence on top of that that chooses channels, paths, etc.
Something more than STP or any other algorithm that doesn't understand
wireless. :)
Or ice cream. :)
-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:27:59 -0800
I think you are making the point that mesh is
Agreed Eje. Works great.
There are lots of options etc.
Also, as you have hear, mesh is just another 4-letter word in my
book. You can have a routed mesh, or you can use some of the other
definitions including MME, etc. What you really need to find out is how
and what you are going to
hmmm. ice cream
* ---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member*
*Office*: 314-735-0270
* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know
the precise definition of that term in this
context?)
Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As
you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus
refers to the Bureau of Census, It
That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not
included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B,
making it a bit over 1000 pages.
Victoria Proffer
CEO
St. Louis Broadband
www.stlbroadband.com
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, David E. Smith
Frank, you are correct. I spent my entire weekend on it...and ended up
crosseyed ;-)
Victoria
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Frank Muto frank.m...@secureemailplus.com
wrote:
* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone
know the precise definition of that term in
Does MT make ice cream? If they did, it would be the BEST!
Haha,
`S
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for
You DO NOT have to use a CLI to do firewalling nowadays. Cisco has the SDM for
routers, and the ASDM for ASA's.
John
-Original Message-
From: e...@wisp-router.com [mailto:e...@wisp-router.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 07:26 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh
Don't help if don't have the latest IOS firmware I would think. I must say I
haven't used Cisco for a long time (replaced with ImageStream) and the few
times I had to help customer that had a cisco that needed some configuration
changes to deal with the internal routing we help setup with
St. Louis Broadband wrote:
That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not
included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B,
making it a bit over 1000 pages.
I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I
always forget
Hi All,
I've verified, as accurately as I can, that anyone that's billing for VoIP
services has to deal with this.
Here is some information that I got from the FCC.
This document contains a 1-page template for the annual CPNI
certification:
There is some important wording though. For instance, for the TOP program
they included small and disadvantage businesses.I am hoping because of that,
the big guys have a disadvantage over us small guys that have been out there
for years.
Victoria
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, David E. Smith
Can somebody supply me with a link to a source for these?
Thanks!
* Larry A. Weidig (lwei...@excel.net)
* Excel.Net,Inc. - http://www.excel.net/
* (920) 452-0455 - Sheboygan/Plymouth area
* (888) 489-9995 - Other areas, toll-free
http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?N=2105407
/ Eje
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Larry A Weidig
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cat5 ferrite beads
Can
I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but I'd
like to know what other, similar options are out there.
It must not be cumbersome for either myself or the client.
It must have encryption at all levels (transport and storage).
It must have sold online backup in
Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm looking at remote-backup.com. It seems to be what I'm looking for, but
I'd like to know what other, similar options are out there.
What are you trying to do that Mozy doesn't do?
David Smith
MVN.net
Put it on my server, not someone else's.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject:
I use Cobian (use SFTP - SSL+FTP) and vsftpd for a $0 budget software
solution.
Cobian is an amazing program.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer
Amazon's S3 service is very inexpensive and well done. There are many
different clients out there which work with S3. I like Mozy but I
think Amazon is more likely to be around in the long haul (too big to
fail?).
Greg
On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm looking at
Thanks, but that only took me to a search page with 4,991
Matches. That does not help narrow it down much, just slightly fewer
than a Google search produced :) We are looking for ones that can snap
onto existing runs/terminations. Thanks!
-Original Message-
From:
While I believe Amazon will survive there is no such thing as too big to
fail...
Mike's own server ensures that as long as Mike is there, the data is there.
I backup my servers to my own server for this reason in addition to the
capability and locality of the data.
Josh Luthman
Office:
Rsync =) works great got windows version available. Depending what your
looking at doing. Just have the clients backup their documents or do
complete machine backup for later restore (if the later then rsync is not
it).
/ Eje
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Yeah, that too big to fail thing was a bit of a joke, but they
probably have stronger fundamentals than Mozy.
The only thing I like about off site storage is you could have a
devastating disaster (fire, hurricane/tornado etc) and lose it all.
Amazon's S3 is probably in a different
True to this. Just look at Circuit City. Second largest electronics retailer
in the US. Gone..
/ Eje
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject:
IMO stay as far away from remote-backup.com's product as possible. We
bought into their front and it turned out to be a very unrefined product
that was cumbersome to install on the customer side and their support
was practically non-existent. I've heard of other people having success
with RBS but
Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots
and lots of "managers" walking around, while their pricing on computer
hardware was really, really high. Even during their clearance last
week, I went in and found an HP laptop they had marked down for the
clearance
If you can do rsync on Windows, do it. Rsync in *nix is beautiful.
On 2/17/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:
Circuit City had many, many problems (at least at the store here). Lots and
lots of managers walking around, while their pricing on computer hardware
was really, really high. Even
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/politics/2009/wireless+map+form+477.html
I especially liked the Verizon YouTube bit. Very funny and probably oh so
true!
Great write-up by Alex!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)
Been doing it for a long time on my Laptop and work computer.. Actually how
I ensure my documents on the two are synced so I never have to search or
have duplicate documents on the two...
Cwrsync - rsync for windows
http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650
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From:
Mike, I've been using it for three years. The only issues I have had is
that from time to time a customers backup stops working. We have to go
out, delete the backup parameters and create a new backup set. I've had
customers recover data and it's worked great. One took almost 10 hours
to
I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used
Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are
usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more
questions.
Forbes
I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot in my
Microtik so I thought I'd drop in a 900 AP chip and put up an Omni and
then I need fairly
Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds
like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a
better look.
/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
Date: Tue,
FYI
From SANS NewsBites Vol.11 Num.13
--UK Plans to Consolidate Communication Data Retention
(February 13 16, 2009)
Rather than requiring every service provider in the UK to keep its own
user communication information to comply with European data retention
rules, the UK government plans to
My experience has been omni and 900 don't go well together. Too much
other 900ish stuff around I think. But I have a lot of 900 clients with
APs using sectors or yagis.
The WISP next to me has had good luck with omnis when he puts in a good
notch filter to keep the adjacent noise out of the
Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet. You should probably give
some consideration to StarOS. StarOS has an excellent industry
standard mesh routing protocol built in - OLSR - and the popular X4000
platform is very low cost (~$350 or so in a four radio configuration).
I tried
By far the best results we've had are with the ARC 900mhz panel antennas,
which blow away anything else we've tried. Also, keep them well away from
any 2.4 stuff, if you're using Ubiquity sr or xr 900mhz cards which exhibit
severe crosstalk on 2.4.
Tom Sharples
Qorvus Systems, Inc.
-
We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good.
Although we have never had a claim.
Victoria
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy
forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote:
I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that
pretty much leaves
Mr. Larsen,
Thanks. I've heard very good things about StarOS as well. It
certainly has it's devotees. But as you mentioned Valemount doesn't
have the presence in the marketplace that Mikrotik has and that makes
me wonder what kind of position Valemount will be in a number of years
We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the
past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs. Butch
Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out
details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost.
The opposite - it's so new it's not the website.
Streakwave has them on their site but I don't know availability.
Your ghetto mesh might work. It's cheap enough to order some up and test
the theory.
__
Jerry Richardson
airCloud Communications
-Original
Good, my liability (with rider for some gear) just went from $2200 a
year to $3100 a year. I need to do some shopping.
Brian
Rick Harnish wrote:
We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the
past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs.
I am testing out this idea right now.
Using xr9 cards...
I'll post my results...
e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
Check your 900 spectrum before you start buying things. But otherwise sounds like a plan. Then use RB411's, and 900MHz roos or 900 MHz ARC IES units for a better look.
/Eje
And you may want to do yourself a favor and try to not use an omni.
Forbes Mercy wrote:
I love the Nano's for 2.4 but they don't come in 900MHZ, I have a small
town that loves trees and while I service most of them with 2.4 we have
to turn a lot of them down for trees. I have a third slot
I have not heard anything from Chubb indicating this. Are they not taking
new customers or getting rid of existing ones also?
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:43 PM
To: WISPA
Thanks board members. I feel that this sort of service set will help
WISPA members quite a bit.
ryan
D. Ryan Spott
rsp...@cspott.com
On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has
spent the
past six months putting
Well, it has a hot spot option, so maybe a cold spot option can be
in the next version :)
-RickG
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
sc...@velociter.net wrote:
Does MT make ice cream? If they did, it would be the BEST!
Haha,
`S
-Original Message-
From:
There are pluses minuses to each platform (Mikrotik StarOS), but
if you want simple, StarOS is it.
-RickG
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists
li...@manageisp.com wrote:
Don't drink the Mikrotik kool-aid just yet. You should probably give
some consideration to StarOS.
Well said David. I learned of Mikrotik about 3 years ago. There is so much,
that I am still learning. It is very useful for many things, more than I care
to mention, for sure when it is many less than any other solution that can
do what it does that it is available in the USA. Keep in mind
Grow some. I did. There is lots of doc's out there. You just have to take some
time to learn it. Just like anything else...learning to ride a bike for
example. It takes trials and tribulations. My company is a two man crew. I took
time to learn much about MT, but not all yet...I still have days
I do have my off site servers and am working on out-of-region servers. ;-)
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Indeed. I went there a few weeks ago. There were things I literally paid 1/6
of the price for elsewhere from reputable places. Made me not to want to look
at any of their other products (TVs, etc.).
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Travis
I am not sure if Deliberant(ligowave) uses polling yet on this platform, I know
that Engenius follows suit of all Senao happeningsBut I do know that
OSBridge uses polling on their 2.4 Wifi mac! If you know anything about a 2.4
wifi mac that you will need polling of some sort to get anymore
Too give credit where credit is due...did not a university do this to begin
with that worked really well...and all other versions are built on it?
Scottie
-- Original Message --
From: e...@wisp-router.com
Reply-To: e...@wisp-router.com, WISPA General List
Thanks Frank, You made available to all of WISPA as I have been crying about
for so long. There are places where broadband actually exist from one provider,
but its not cheap! Many of you provide underserved or no service areas, but way
more than we charge! The question of service goes beyond
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