Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, "Scott Vander Dussen" sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that led me to the hps- why do you like them better? Thx. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.commailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen mailto:sc...@velociter.netsc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
I'll second the ProCurve. I just bought a batch of them at a very reasonable price. Solid Product. One note, if you want to use any of the really tricky configuration features, you have to do it in command line mode (easy). Otherwise, monitoring and control from either the web interface or snmp is good. Marco On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
The command line structure is very similar to Cisco so a very minimal learning curve if you're used to the Cisco command line, plus you can do basic management with a web interface. They port mirror multiple ports to one port which is nice. They've been rock solid for us, we've been using them for 2 years non-stop and not one failure...and these are units we bought off of ebay used. Go the ebay route, much cheaper then buying new. Ironically, one of the switches we placed 2 years ago was because a Cisco switch died. Personally, I'm not a fan of Cisco, I think most of their stuff is overpriced. Scott Vander Dussen wrote: I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that led me to the hps- why do you like them better? Thx. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.commailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen mailto:sc...@velociter.netsc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
NetGear *GS748TS-100NAS *** You can probably find it for less than I did. Its 48 port and 988 through biz.tigerdirect.com Also here's a list. http://www.javvin.com/packetdoc/PortMonitoringSwitch.html Cheers, Curtis ** On 1/12/2010 8:50 AM, Marco Coelho wrote: I'll second the ProCurve. I just bought a batch of them at a very reasonable price. Solid Product. One note, if you want to use any of the really tricky configuration features, you have to do it in command line mode (easy). Otherwise, monitoring and control from either the web interface or snmp is good. Marco On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
also Adtran NetVanta 1534 Its 24 port The command line is identical to Cisco and it has a web gui. Its about 1300.00 ($2200 if you want the POE version.) from CDW, but it also has a lifetime warranty. --Curtis On 1/12/2010 8:57 AM, Bret Clark wrote: The command line structure is very similar to Cisco so a very minimal learning curve if you're used to the Cisco command line, plus you can do basic management with a web interface. They port mirror multiple ports to one port which is nice. They've been rock solid for us, we've been using them for 2 years non-stop and not one failure...and these are units we bought off of ebay used. Go the ebay route, much cheaper then buying new. Ironically, one of the switches we placed 2 years ago was because a Cisco switch died. Personally, I'm not a fan of Cisco, I think most of their stuff is overpriced. Scott Vander Dussen wrote: I was looking at these- didn't know if cisco was worth all the bucks and that led me to the hps- why do you like them better? Thx. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 4:03 AM, Bret Clarkbcl...@spectraaccess.commailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: HP ProcurvesI not only consider them on the same level as Cisco's, but I think they are better for less cost. Gino Villarini wrote: Cisco 2970 Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jan 12, 2010, at 1:25 AM, Scott Vander Dussen mailto:sc...@velociter.netsc...@velociter.netmailto:sc...@velociter.net wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List:mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ATT1..c WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Do you want to do MPLS in the future? On 1/11/2010 10:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
Right. We loose a few customers now and again because of it. But those customers have a higher cost than income so what else does a guy do? There are two things you want to do when in business right? Turn a profit. Make sure that your competitor doesn't. Off loading the high cost or high trouble customers does both. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? OK, so your finding most wont or dont do it since they know they'll have to pay for the bandwidth? -RickG On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: By stopping it before it starts People here know what it'll do to their bill. Sometimes it happens anyway. Usually people don't know it's happening. When we catch someone in the act we call them as soon as we can and see what they are up to. If it's just a big download we let it go and people just have to understand that that's going to happen from time to time. Just like busy signals used to happen sometimes. If we can't get ahold of them to get them to stop or justify it, we leave a message on the phone and block them till they call. Better to piss off one customer than 40... marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? Marlon, as you know I've been a proponent of usage based billing since I've been in broadband. But, whether you bill for it or not, PTP still eats up the AP to the point it slows it down for everyone. How do you get around that? -RickG On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hiya Roman, We bill per bit. That way we don't care what the customer is doing, all we're worried about is how much they uses. Run edonkey and you'll get an extra bill. Download Netflix and you'll get an extra bill etc. MOST of the time we catch virus's for our customers. It's actually a pretty good sales tool. Netflix is changing that somewhat though. marlon - Original Message - From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? Dear readers, Do you have any experience with successful blocking of P2P (eDonkey, Torrents etc.) traffic in your wireless networks? Any user who uses torrent client at his PC can effectively consume a lot of bandwidth of Wi-Fi access point, leaving other honest users with small portion of throughput. Port blocking does not help because nowadays P2P clients use random ports, encryption and other means to hide traffic patterns. I suppose that only one distinctive feature of such traffic exists: its ability to consume effective bandwidth. Do you happen to know or use any traffic shaping tools which can limit throughput per user? Thank you in advance for any thoghts, ideas etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
If you have pictures of your install, or anybody for that matter, I'm sure we all would be interested in seeing them. I like seeing other ideas that make my life easier... -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough. But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type you use. We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances. (It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as seperate PVLANs, if desired) So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements. What we often do is we use 3ft of Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.) If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch panel. Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX. This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls and such) There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly into the APEX without any junctions inbetween. We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with conectors inside the APEX, I think. It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature rating for Cold. If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp version. So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware like HomeDepot. We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine in most cases. As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful. That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables to the APEX. We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your situation. But if you use conduit for the run, we recommend Liqui-tight, its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up in the spool. If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you can just cut a 6-10 peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex?
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends. This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same precautions. If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within a reasonable distance, which is easy enough. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they decided to use the best. If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then drilling. But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly. (Thicker mohawk wont fit). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Randy- I don't see a need for that in our network - what practical applications would a PPPoE-based ISP have for MPLS? I don't know much about the benefits of MPLS as I've never worked with it, thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Do you want to do MPLS in the future? On 1/11/2010 10:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
When are you writing you how to mount anything on anything book? We have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself to this elite group :-) On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Nick- Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port version. Any experience with the 2810 series? Thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 -
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
That's a regular flagpole. When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole. I stoll assume that. You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
This throwback port design from the Trango Summer Engineer Interns Atlas days is crap. Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water pipe cap on a carrier class radio. The split rubber gland that is under this metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well. I'm glad you've been lucky with your results, but inspecting these old style weather proof ports after a period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration. It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't try and defend their short comings. It diminishes your objective credibility. Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next generation design. The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from the best type in the industry. Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been limited. While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the fiber port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket. So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using Coax-Seal from the compression ring to the outer jacket. It seems Trango opted to cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather than a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex radios will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in accessible locations. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends. This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same precautions. If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within a reasonable distance, which is easy enough. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they decided to use the best. If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then drilling. But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly. (Thicker mohawk wont fit). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I guess I was in a hurry and did not read it carefully. I just read flag pole. Sorry about that. akel...@gbcx.net wrote: That's a regular flagpole. When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole. I stoll assume that. You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
Darn right. I learned a long time ago you dont want everyone as a customer. I just fired a customer the other day. Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Right. We loose a few customers now and again because of it. But those customers have a higher cost than income so what else does a guy do? There are two things you want to do when in business right? Turn a profit. Make sure that your competitor doesn't. Off loading the high cost or high trouble customers does both. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? OK, so your finding most wont or dont do it since they know they'll have to pay for the bandwidth? -RickG On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: By stopping it before it starts People here know what it'll do to their bill. Sometimes it happens anyway. Usually people don't know it's happening. When we catch someone in the act we call them as soon as we can and see what they are up to. If it's just a big download we let it go and people just have to understand that that's going to happen from time to time. Just like busy signals used to happen sometimes. If we can't get ahold of them to get them to stop or justify it, we leave a message on the phone and block them till they call. Better to piss off one customer than 40... marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? Marlon, as you know I've been a proponent of usage based billing since I've been in broadband. But, whether you bill for it or not, PTP still eats up the AP to the point it slows it down for everyone. How do you get around that? -RickG On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hiya Roman, We bill per bit. That way we don't care what the customer is doing, all we're worried about is how much they uses. Run edonkey and you'll get an extra bill. Download Netflix and you'll get an extra bill etc. MOST of the time we catch virus's for our customers. It's actually a pretty good sales tool. Netflix is changing that somewhat though. marlon - Original Message - From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:34 AM Subject: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? Dear readers, Do you have any experience with successful blocking of P2P (eDonkey, Torrents etc.) traffic in your wireless networks? Any user who uses torrent client at his PC can effectively consume a lot of bandwidth of Wi-Fi access point, leaving other honest users with small portion of throughput. Port blocking does not help because nowadays P2P clients use random ports, encryption and other means to hide traffic patterns. I suppose that only one distinctive feature of such traffic exists: its ability to consume effective bandwidth. Do you happen to know or use any traffic shaping tools which can limit throughput per user? Thank you in advance for any thoghts, ideas etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
I love my Dell switches. I almost bought HP units but Dell had a sale on untis with the same features. -RickG On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Agreed, the Dell switches we've deployed have been flawless and are a great value. Dell has been very good to us, so I'm a little biased. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I love my Dell switches. I almost bought HP units but Dell had a sale on untis with the same features. -RickG On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Can't say I have. But its been a busy switch, And it hasn't missed a beat. Only thing is, I wish it had SSH. Hit me off list if you want to take a look at the web management interface. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:39 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Nick- Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port version. Any experience with the 2810 series? Thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Thanks for all the tips guys. I'll definitely be doing it better next time. Randy On 1/12/2010 10:11 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Nothing actually has to be done to seal it because, Trango includes a rubbery gel sleeve that compresess between the passsthru metal plate and the case, with a tight fitting hole. In most cases that can be good enough. But to answer your question it depends what Fiber cable type and Power type you use. We generally dont run a dedicated power cable through that same hole as fiber. We power the radio through one of the CAT5 ports, which has a great paththrue grommit type. That way its one less cable to run, and we get a redundant data path to the radio. The radio can be POE powered from either CAT5 port. There are reasons that you might choose the management vs data CAT5 port, dependant on the circumstances. (It should be noted that both teh data and fiber port can be both used as seperate PVLANs, if desired) So when just fiber going through the Metal base plate, there is not much to seal, UNLESS you do not have fiber cable adequate to survive the elements. What we often do is we use 3ft of Flex tubing from the APEX to an outdoor junction box, and then patch in fiber there. It can be a hassle finding a cheap outdoor junction box. (So we made our own, for half the cost.) If using direct buriel multi-pair Loose tube, you can run the cable to the outdoor junction box and terminate with a fan out kit to a LC jack patch panel. Then use a short patch cable to extend to the APEX. This type install is rock solid, once its done. But its a pain working with Fan-out kits on a windy dirty roof. (If on a tower should probably be done on ground first, but on roofs it would not fit through access holes in walls and such) There is also indoor/outdoor Fiber that has an overall outer layer, and then each inner layer also has its own individual outer jacket. This type cable is cheaper, and can have LC connector connected directly to it, without the hassle of a Fanout kit. This cable is also significantly thinner, and can fit through APEX passthrough. In these cases, the cable can be run directly into the APEX without any junctions inbetween. We always run Fiber that has two pair (two tx and two rx) so if one fiber breaks, there is an immediate spare. There is room to slip both pair with conectors inside the APEX, I think. It should be noted that Indoor and Outdoor fiber are not the same. It is not just to prevent physical breaks from getting stepped on, or Firecode/UV of sleeve. The mor important issue is that it has a different Temperature rating for Cold. If you use indoor fiber outdoor in cold, it can crack internally due to cold. It should be noted that allthough Outdoor fiber and Fan-out kits will often have a different part number for its outdoor temp rated version. But most patch panels and stuff wont have an outdoor temp version. So, fo this reason, sometimes people perfer to put the fiber inside Flex, so its one more level of temperature insulation. Actually we use something called Liqui-tight, the grey stuff tthat can be bought just about anyware like HomeDepot. We debated for quite a while, whether we should use sealed FC type connectors inside the outdoor enclosure. The outcome was LC patch panels were easier to find, and LC patch panels will survive the elements just fine in most cases. As well, its also possible to run long fan outkits, and just run the thin inner fibers up through the 3ft of Liqui-tight to the APEX. That will survive the elements, if using outdoor temp version. BUT we chose NOT to do that because we were afraid that if we performed maintenance and needed to disconnect the fiber from the APEX, that the weight of the liqui-tight might break the fiber or pull loose from connector, if not careful. That is why we used a patch panel inside the Junction box, and patch cables to the APEX. We rarely ever run Conduit the whole fiber cable path, its to much of a pain. We'd rather use a fiber cable that is of a type that wont easilly break. But depending on your install location, you may disagree for your situation. But if you use conduit for the run, we recommend Liqui-tight, its not all that expensive and is easy to run, because you just carry it up in the spool. If you are worried about water intrusion, but dont want to use conduit, you can just cut a 6-10 peice of liquitight and screw that to the APEX base plate. (They make adapter to integrate to that size I think) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
All our core switching is done with World Wide Packets gear (now Ciena). WWP/Ciena makes carrier grade equipment, but carries a price tag near Cisco. And also mostly geared towards fiber. The newest switches we got are the CN3940, 24-port 10/100/1000 that will take copper or SPF modules. Our lighter switching is done with ZyXel which I started using based on recommendations from the ISP-Wireless list. Substantial feature set at a low cost. -Paul On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?
Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection seems a better idea than competing products. Thanks, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600 I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing. I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build. http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has this surge suppressor installed. I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago. When I opened the enclosure there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board was fine. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Josh Luthman wrote: I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly use are Canopy 12-24v Nano/Locostations 12-25v MT 4xx 10-28v Cordless drill battery 18-22v Having a mobile POE priceless Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Brad, I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it, but I honestly disagree with your assessment. On Cat5... Trango APEX uses Conex passthrus the same type that Dragonwave uses for their radios. There is a reason high grade radio manufacturers pick thems, they are quality. It is the cream of the crop, period. We've used them all. Dont hold me to this, but I think Conex makes different size passthrue holes for their various caps, and I think the caps are interchangable with the same base units. But I would need to double check that, you might want to explore that possibilty. The Conex passthrues are available through third parties cost effectively. But the fact is, a Passthrue rubber seal hole can NOT be made and proper sized for BOTH thickest and thinnest cable. Its one or the other, and best that it is made for the type cable most commonly used. Especially if there is an option to buy seperately the odd size passthru that you might need. Fiber base plate... Why in the world does it matter what it looks like? The radio is either located on a commerical roof top or 200ft up a tower. It looking like pipe conduit does absolutely no harm. I agree the same Fiber slot metal plate passthru when used on th TLink45 for Cat5, the hole is to small, and wish it was drilled out larger. But on the APEX, the hole is the right size for Fiber cable. And the Conex passthrues are the right size for many CAT5.. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex radios will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in accessible locations. Once again, FUD. The Trango Apex as well as any other Manufacturer's ODU, has the option to turn 90 degrees to change polarities. In that circumstance, IF a connector was on the bottom standard, it would no longer be if turned 90 degrees to the alternate polarity. In Trangos design it guarantees that atleast one of the two connectors is in a downward posiiton, which is better than the alternative of none in the downward position. Lets compare it to Dragonwave Dragonwave's pertude outward from the back, equivellent to ALWAYS being horizontal or from the side. As well, pertruding out in that direction can cause them to bump into back walls or poles behind radio, if aligning at a sharp angle from behind's surface. My point here is that Trango's choice of CAT5 placement is better than the competitors. I'm not aware of any Manufacturer that came up with better placement. PS, I do not mean to attack Dragonwave, its just that Dragonwave is one of the other radios we frequently use, and it was clear in my mind where the CAT5 positioning was, so easy example to compare. Dragonwave's positioning is also exceptable because the Conex Cat5 passthru is weathertight at Horizontal placement. But my point is, Trango's placement is NOT inferior in design. I will admit, that if BRad needs a solution to accommodate a thicker cable, then that is something that he needs a solution for. But that does not mean Trango's design was wrong or bad. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port This throwback port design from the Trango Summer Engineer Interns Atlas days is crap. Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water pipe cap on a carrier class radio. The split rubber gland that is under this metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well. I'm glad you've been lucky with your results, but inspecting these old style weather proof ports after a period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration. It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't try and defend their short comings. It diminishes your objective credibility. Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next generation design. The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from the best type in the industry. Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been limited. While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the fiber port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket. So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using Coax-Seal from the compression ring to the outer jacket. It seems Trango opted to cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather than a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than on the
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?
We among many others carry this one. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8eq=Tp= Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings. Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard Canopy units can handle. Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the data wires. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24eq=Tp= We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik? Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection seems a better idea than competing products. Thanks, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600 I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing. I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build. http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has this surge suppressor installed. I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago. When I opened the enclosure there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board was fine. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Josh Luthman wrote: I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly use are Canopy 12-24v Nano/Locostations 12-25v MT 4xx 10-28v Cordless drill battery 18-22v Having a mobile POE priceless Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF
2010/1/12 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com: Make sure you have Multicast Data enabled or whatever on the Advanced tab. Pulled my hair out over this for a couple days, then realized if it's not checked, you get one-way OSPF. Checked it, rebooted, and everything has been happy since. Multicast is enabled. Are you running OSPF in broadcast or ptmp? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF
Broadcast, I guess. Whatever is default on MT. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/12 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com: Make sure you have Multicast Data enabled or whatever on the Advanced tab. Pulled my hair out over this for a couple days, then realized if it's not checked, you get one-way OSPF. Checked it, rebooted, and everything has been happy since. Multicast is enabled. Are you running OSPF in broadcast or ptmp? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF
2010/1/12 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com: Broadcast, I guess. Whatever is default on MT. Default is broadcast. I think I may have resolved the issue by setting the AP (Rocket) and client (Nanostation) to WDS mode. The Ubiquiti is staying out of the IP path now. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubnt and OSPF
Oh, yeah, that's a requirement too. You can't bridge without WDS. On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/12 Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com: Broadcast, I guess. Whatever is default on MT. Default is broadcast. I think I may have resolved the issue by setting the AP (Rocket) and client (Nanostation) to WDS mode. The Ubiquiti is staying out of the IP path now. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Bob goes WAY beyond the books mere mortals use! marlon - Original Message - From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com To: lakel...@gbcx.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? When are you writing you how to mount anything on anything book? We have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself to this elite group :-) On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel with two solid round wheels one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the wheels so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2 or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB SurgeSuppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?
The ones Eje posted are Citel indoor models. Citel also makes an outdoor model that has the same electronics as the inside model, but is in a case that looks very similar to the Canopy model. The outdoor model costs near the same as the indoor model. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB SurgeSuppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik? We among many others carry this one. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8eq=Tp= Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings. Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard Canopy units can handle. Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the data wires. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24eq=Tp= We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik? Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection seems a better idea than competing products. Thanks, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600 I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing. I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build. http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has this surge suppressor installed. I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago. When I opened the enclosure there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board was fine. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Josh Luthman wrote: I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly use are Canopy 12-24v Nano/Locostations 12-25v MT 4xx 10-28v Cordless drill battery 18-22v Having a mobile POE priceless Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Tom, I give...but only because I just don't have nearly the amount of free time to ramble as you apparently do. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Brad, I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it...snip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Sorry OT
Every day I read, attend webinars and conferences. And do everything I can to keep up with the technology curve. And then something like the movie Avatar comes along and I realize how far behind I really am. Imax 3D and video animation unlike any other. Totally incredible. Go for the reality check -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
