Re: [WISPA] To backup my last post!

[Scottie Arnett]

Sorry Tom, I Accidentally deleted your response. 
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-295737A1.pdf

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-10-16A1.pdf

and more if you wish. I just hope they want to open it it up an not auction it 
off.

Scottie
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
Reply-To: sarn...@info-ed.com, WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:48:21 -0600

>[FCC document]
>
>FCC ADOPTS ORDER TO CLEAR THE 700 MHZ FREQUENCY BAND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
>AND NEXT GENERATION CONSUMER USERS
>
>Washington, D.C. - Today the Federal Communications Commission adopted
>an Order and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking prohibiting the
>further distribution and sale of devices that operate in the 700 MHz
>frequency band. This action helps complete an important component of
>the DTV Transition by clearing the 700 MHz band to enable the rollout
>of communications services for public safety and the deployment of
>next generation 4G wireless devices for consumers.
>
>The order will primarily impact the use of wireless microphone systems
>that currently operate in the 700MHz band.  These unlicensed devices
>cannot continue to operate in this band because they may cause harmful
>interference to public safety entities and next generation consumers
>devices that will be utilizing it.  Thus, the Commission is making
>clear that no devices utilizing these frequencies may be sold or
>distributed.  In order to ensure that individuals and groups currently
>using unauthorized devices in this band have ample time to transition
>to appropriate frequencies, the FCC is providing a sunset period until
>June 12, 2010, one year from the DTV Transition. 
>
>Scottie
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Re: [WISPA] To backup my last post!

[Tom DeReggi]

Scottie,

Yeah, I saw that. I'm just confused on exactly what part of the 700Mhz band 
they are talking about, since they mentioned Public safety.

There is the 700Mhz that Verizon won at auction. There is the 700Mhz Dblock 
that got no reserve bids sitting dormant (share between public safety and 
auction winner), There is TVWhitespace up to 700Mhz. Are there other 700Mhz 
ranges?

What I'm trying to understand is if they are telling MICs to also vacate 
whitespace or if they are saying vacate a specific 700 Mhz range and use 
other TVWhitespace ranges instead?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Scottie Arnett" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] To backup my last post!


> [FCC document]
>
> FCC ADOPTS ORDER TO CLEAR THE 700 MHZ FREQUENCY BAND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
> AND NEXT GENERATION CONSUMER USERS
>
> Washington, D.C. - Today the Federal Communications Commission adopted
> an Order and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking prohibiting the
> further distribution and sale of devices that operate in the 700 MHz
> frequency band. This action helps complete an important component of
> the DTV Transition by clearing the 700 MHz band to enable the rollout
> of communications services for public safety and the deployment of
> next generation 4G wireless devices for consumers.
>
> The order will primarily impact the use of wireless microphone systems
> that currently operate in the 700MHz band.  These unlicensed devices
> cannot continue to operate in this band because they may cause harmful
> interference to public safety entities and next generation consumers
> devices that will be utilizing it.  Thus, the Commission is making
> clear that no devices utilizing these frequencies may be sold or
> distributed.  In order to ensure that individuals and groups currently
> using unauthorized devices in this band have ample time to transition
> to appropriate frequencies, the FCC is providing a sunset period until
> June 12, 2010, one year from the DTV Transition.
>
> Scottie
>
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Scottie Arnett]

I am all for the graphical content...but what I suggested may be sufficient. 
You may have to answer a few cop questions, but they know the same things I 
already mentioned. They smoked some bad dope on the way to the solar 
installation?

Scott

-- Original Message --
From: "Blake Bowers" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:22:26 -0600

>Problem with a bouncing betty it it could destroy the equipment.  BUT, if it 
>takes out a thief..
>
>
>Don't take your organs to heaven,
>heaven knows we need them down here!
>Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Marco Coelho" 
>To: ; "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
>
>> Marlon,
>>
>> Sorry to hear about the equipment.  A Bouncing Betty or two would be
>> my preferred approach (I hate thieves).  IR / Daylight Cameras with
>> remote recording and alarms are the only 'legal' solution though.  I
>> also use big mean dogs at sites I routinely visit.
>>
>>
>> Marco
>>
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[MDK]

Marlon, I have some deep cycle batteries and a wind generator I could loan 
you for a while, till you get around to re-doing it.



--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:35 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

> Wouldn't have mattered.  They'd have been and gone long before anyone 
> could
> have gotten up there to check it out.
>
> This only services 6 homes.  They'll call when it's down
>
> I'm gonna have to come up with something different for up there.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Travis Johnson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
>
>> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
>> it's down?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> Deep sigh.
>>>
>>> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
>>> hardware, poof.
>>>
>>> What do you guys do to secure them?
>>>
>>> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>>>
>>> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
>>> remote location, not at all publicized.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>>>
>>> ug
>>> marlon
>>>
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[WISPA] To backup my last post!

[Scottie Arnett]

[FCC document]

FCC ADOPTS ORDER TO CLEAR THE 700 MHZ FREQUENCY BAND FOR PUBLIC SAFETY
AND NEXT GENERATION CONSUMER USERS

Washington, D.C. - Today the Federal Communications Commission adopted
an Order and Further Notice of Proposed Rulemaking prohibiting the
further distribution and sale of devices that operate in the 700 MHz
frequency band. This action helps complete an important component of
the DTV Transition by clearing the 700 MHz band to enable the rollout
of communications services for public safety and the deployment of
next generation 4G wireless devices for consumers.

The order will primarily impact the use of wireless microphone systems
that currently operate in the 700MHz band.  These unlicensed devices
cannot continue to operate in this band because they may cause harmful
interference to public safety entities and next generation consumers
devices that will be utilizing it.  Thus, the Commission is making
clear that no devices utilizing these frequencies may be sold or
distributed.  In order to ensure that individuals and groups currently
using unauthorized devices in this band have ample time to transition
to appropriate frequencies, the FCC is providing a sunset period until
June 12, 2010, one year from the DTV Transition. 

Scottie

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Reboot the FCC !

[Scottie Arnett]

Gino is exactly right on this. Post any COMMENTS you guys feel relevant! I am 
on a lists that have MANY telecommunications lawyers on this list and they are 
even talking about it Look it up and join 
that list...not a lot of it affects us, but MUCH of it does! I have been on the 
list since early 2000 to see what FCC rulings help or hurt us as ISP's from the 
dial-up days to NOW. This is to be the OPENNESS supposedly before the new 
government and the FCC.

A small quote from one lawyer "And, honestly, there's a bunch of stuff that 
happens at the agency level that doesn't really require an attorney.  What they 
really need to do is talk to the network guys, the engineers without the 
lawyers in the room."

Another good site is OpenInternet.gov .

The FCC has pretty much told the microphone guys in the 700 Mhz to get another 
frequency to allow for broadband deployment. We NEED to make sure our voice is 
heard and they allow this as a spectrum WE CAN USE, and not auction it off to 
the existing ILEC/Cellphone providers!

Scottie 


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino Villarini" 
Reply-To: motor...@afmug.com
Date:  Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:15:07 -0400

>Could be very useful for the WISP cause:
>
> 
>
>http://reboot.fcc.gov/home
>
> 
>
>Gino A. Villarini
>
>g...@aeronetpr.com
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>787.273.4143
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Josh Luthman]

No equipment or no equipment plus revenge?

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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Blake Bowers  wrote:

> Problem with a bouncing betty it it could destroy the equipment.  BUT, if
> it
> takes out a thief..
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marco Coelho" 
> To: ; "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
>
> > Marlon,
> >
> > Sorry to hear about the equipment.  A Bouncing Betty or two would be
> > my preferred approach (I hate thieves).  IR / Daylight Cameras with
> > remote recording and alarms are the only 'legal' solution though.  I
> > also use big mean dogs at sites I routinely visit.
> >
> >
> > Marco
> >
> >
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/Pommiansa1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/landmines2.htm&usg=__YVN1H2MCI3w5CmgCYSu7mXwl57A=&h=619&w=480&sz=49&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=Fi_GSXmll3U_tM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbouncing%2Bbetty%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Marco C. Coelho
> > Argon Technologies Inc.
> > POB 875
> > Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> > 903-455-5036
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Blake Bowers]

Problem with a bouncing betty it it could destroy the equipment.  BUT, if it 
takes out a thief..


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Marco Coelho" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


> Marlon,
>
> Sorry to hear about the equipment.  A Bouncing Betty or two would be
> my preferred approach (I hate thieves).  IR / Daylight Cameras with
> remote recording and alarms are the only 'legal' solution though.  I
> also use big mean dogs at sites I routinely visit.
>
>
> Marco
>
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/Pommiansa1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/landmines2.htm&usg=__YVN1H2MCI3w5CmgCYSu7mXwl57A=&h=619&w=480&sz=49&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=Fi_GSXmll3U_tM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbouncing%2Bbetty%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
>
>
>
> -- 
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Ryan Spott]

We have a site where they sat there and sawed through the 1/2 inch
master lock hasp. After everything was stolen that was not bolted
down, they cut though all of the bolts.

Amazing really.

Battery powered dremel cutting wheels... For the Win? Lose?

ryan

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Steve  wrote:
> There are a few things you can do to keep people from feeling
> comfortable stealing your stuff.
> ip cameras from toshiba will record frames at intervals, plus having
> motion detection with email alert. they will also alert you if a loop is
> closed or opened.
> always a good idea to have voltage monitoring for your batts on remote
> sites. you can use packetflux sitemonitor, or bnd rmsboards. they allow
> snmp monitoring and will sense open or closed circuits as well as having
> analog inputs. This along with a monitoring program like zabbix which
> you can configure with triggers to alert you via email, sms, or im, of
> certain conditions will provide very quick knowledge that something is wrong
> monitoring a NC circuit with wire looped through holes in the solar
> panels will let you know if someone is messing around.
> And it always helps to put up some signs indicating that there are
> cameras monitoring their activities.
> These are a few things I've found quite useful.  I am of the opinion
> that it doesn't matter how much cutting someone has to do with a
> powersaw to get something they want, some people will do it as long as
> nobody is watching.
> Better luck next time!
>
> --
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Deep sigh.
>>
>> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
>> hardware, poof.
>>
>> What do you guys do to secure them?
>>
>> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>>
>> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
>> remote location, not at all publicized.
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>>
>> ug
>> marlon
>>
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Steve]

There are a few things you can do to keep people from feeling
comfortable stealing your stuff.
ip cameras from toshiba will record frames at intervals, plus having
motion detection with email alert. they will also alert you if a loop is
closed or opened.
always a good idea to have voltage monitoring for your batts on remote
sites. you can use packetflux sitemonitor, or bnd rmsboards. they allow
snmp monitoring and will sense open or closed circuits as well as having
analog inputs. This along with a monitoring program like zabbix which
you can configure with triggers to alert you via email, sms, or im, of
certain conditions will provide very quick knowledge that something is wrong
monitoring a NC circuit with wire looped through holes in the solar
panels will let you know if someone is messing around.
And it always helps to put up some signs indicating that there are
cameras monitoring their activities.
These are a few things I've found quite useful.  I am of the opinion
that it doesn't matter how much cutting someone has to do with a
powersaw to get something they want, some people will do it as long as
nobody is watching.
Better luck next time!

--

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Deep sigh.
>
> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in 
> hardware, poof.
>
> What do you guys do to secure them?
>
> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>
> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty 
> remote location, not at all publicized.
>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>
> ug
> marlon
>
>
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[WISPA] RFQ: 11GHz Licensed BH

[Jerry Richardson]

Vendors, we are considering a licensed BH for our main feed.

11.2 miles
100' AGL at sea level
30' AGL at 3450'

- 11GHz licensed BH
- 100Mbps now, 300Mbps capacity
- Dishes and mounts
- Prefer all outdoor but split is OK
- License co-ordination

Please reply off list.

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- Motorola (PTP800) - we know about the free upgrade
- Dragonwave
- SAF
- Other?

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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Marco Coelho]

or there was this bouncing betty:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.eatmyshorts.net/files/bouncing.betty!-1140886687.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.eatmyshorts.net/pictures/153/Bouncing%2BBetty!.html&usg=__QKnANpnHE2ah7ZkS_TFgqynhxoE=&h=492&w=400&sz=111&hl=en&start=9&um=1&tbnid=BOyYNsFRYjo-sM:&tbnh=130&tbnw=106&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbouncing%2Bbetty%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Marco Coelho  wrote:
> Marlon,
>
> Sorry to hear about the equipment.  A Bouncing Betty or two would be
> my preferred approach (I hate thieves).  IR / Daylight Cameras with
> remote recording and alarms are the only 'legal' solution though.  I
> also use big mean dogs at sites I routinely visit.
>
>
> Marco
>
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/Pommiansa1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/landmines2.htm&usg=__YVN1H2MCI3w5CmgCYSu7mXwl57A=&h=619&w=480&sz=49&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=Fi_GSXmll3U_tM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbouncing%2Bbetty%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
>
>
>
> --
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argon Technologies Inc.
> POB 875
> Greenville, TX 75403-0875
> 903-455-5036
>



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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Marco Coelho]

Marlon,

Sorry to hear about the equipment.  A Bouncing Betty or two would be
my preferred approach (I hate thieves).  IR / Daylight Cameras with
remote recording and alarms are the only 'legal' solution though.  I
also use big mean dogs at sites I routinely visit.


Marco

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-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Scottie Arnett]

Just get you two or three crack rocks laced with arsenic and hang where they 
can see them. 90% of the thieves I have seen are dope heads, and that would 
solve the problem before they even touched your solar panels. Too bad you 
couldn't chance critters get into this, or it just might work.

Scottie 

-- Original Message --
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:16 -0800

>Wouldn't have mattered.  They'd have been and gone long before anyone could 
>have gotten up there to check it out.
>
>This only services 6 homes.  They'll call when it's down
>
>I'm gonna have to come up with something different for up there.
>marlon
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Travis Johnson" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:01 AM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
>
>> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
>> it's down?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>> Deep sigh.
>>>
>>> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
>>> hardware, poof.
>>>
>>> What do you guys do to secure them?
>>>
>>> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>>>
>>> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
>>> remote location, not at all publicized.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>>>
>>> ug
>>> marlon
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Blake Bowers]

Butch,

I don't suppose you have any links to the media on that do you?

Trying to keep up a page on tower site thefts.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
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Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: "Butch Evans" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


> On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 09:44 -0800, Rick Kunze wrote:
>> IP based camera, remote recording.  Unless they're prepared, masked and
>> stealthy, you'll have images.  Although I've heard that converting an
>> image into something from which you can recover property can be
>> challenging.  I hear there's an App for that.  
>
> In the WISP I'm partnered with in Texas, we have a very remote location
> that has cameras.  We had someone break into the building and steal 4 of
> the 6 computers, 3 of the 4 cameras and a HUGE amount of hardline in the
> fence outside.  They didn't know, but the video was being stored at
> another site.  We got pictures of the license plate on their truck, full
> facial images of 3 of the 4 people (the 4th was a woman who somehow
> managed to not be in front of the camera at any time).  They tripped the
> alarm when they entered the building, and the county police were waiting
> for them as they left the area.  The video was used by the DA during the
> trial.  We made sure that the details of the case were highly publicized
> in the area.
>
>
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[WISPA] Tribal Entity Looking for Partners

[Jeffrey J. Pyros]

Guys:

 

Dae Sung Corporation is a certified participant in the United States Small
Business Administration 8(a) Business Development Program.  The corporation
is a tribally-owned company with the authority to make business decisions
without going through tribal council.  Dae Sung was created to stimulate
economic development, opportunities, job creation, and training and
development for tribally enrolled members as well as for other Native
Americans.  

 

As a tribal developer, Dae Sung is currently seeking partner(s) for
broadband projects nationwide, both on and off tribal lands.  Partnering
with us for funding under NTIA's Broadband Technology Opportunities Program
(BTOP), RUS's Broadband Initiatives Program (BIP),or other USDA or HUD
programs can provide significant advantages in the application process.

 

Please contact me directly for more information.

 

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[WISPA] Stolen solar site

[richard sterne]

Hi Marlon,
Its a sad post you have made. Can you not get some high steel railings
to go round the site with razor wire on the top? Remote video link and
alarm would help.

Good luck

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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[richard sterne]

Hi Marlon,
Its a sad post you have made. Can you not get some high steel railings
to go round the site with razor wire on the top? Remote video link and
alarm would help.

Good luck

Richard



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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Tracy Tippett]

Hi Marlon,

Sorry about your gear - give me a ring 

Tracy Tippett
866-582-7287

--Original Mail--
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:50:47 -0800
Subject: [WISPA] stolen solar site

Deep sigh.

I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in 
hardware, poof.

What do you guys do to secure them?

I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!

It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty 
remote location, not at all publicized.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?

ug
marlon




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[WISPA] Fw: ARRA Broadband NOFA II and Workshops - Broadband Teaming Tool

[Tom DeReggi]

I wanted to make sure ALL WISPs saw the below attached message from USDA, 
listing details on BTOP/BIP Workshops.

I want to specifically point out the First Workshop in OR is on Jan 26th, 
approaching quickly.

Dates:
Portland OR- Jan 26th 
Reno,NV Jan27  
Denver, CO JAn 29
SanAntonio,TX- Feb1
Eureka,MO Feb2
SiuxFalls,SD- Feb4
Detroit MI- Feb5
Reno,NV Jan27  
Blacksburg,VA Feb9
Fayetteville, NC Feb11
Atlanta, GA- Feb12

Tom DeReggi


- Original Message - 
From: Bradley, Joe - Meridian, ID 
To: wireless-ow...@wispa.org 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:08 PM
Subject: ARRA Broadband NOFA II and Workshops - Broadband Teaming Tool


WISPA:

So that we can get the widest distribution for the ARRA Broadband Program as 
soon as possible, could you please distribute the following to your members or 
associates? I cover Oregon, Idaho and Washington State but, I am sure other 
locations would benefit from the information as well.

Folks:

In order to gain the widest possible distribution, please forward to those that 
may have an interest in ARRA Broadband or would like to attend one or more of 
the Workshops.

NTIA and RUS have released separate Notices of Funding Availability for the 
second and final round of the Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP) 
and the Broadband Initiatives Program (BIP).  These Notices are being provided 
for informational purposes only.  If there is any difference between these 
documents and the Notices officially published in the Federal Register, the 
Federal Register Notices are controlling.  RUS Round 2 NOFA;  NTIA Round 2 NOFA 
. Or at http://www.broadbandusa.gov/ . 

The Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information 
Administration (NTIA) and the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities 
Service (RUS) announced its second series of public workshops connected to the 
application process for the second round of broadband grants and loans under 
the Recovery Act. 

As in the first round, NTIA and RUS gave extensive consideration to the 
workshop locations: they selected locations representative of rural and urban 
needs, as well as a diversity of regions, populations, topographies and 
city/metropolitan-area sizes. They also considered the travel needs of 
attendees. 

The workshops are free and open to the general public, the locations can be 
found at: 
http://www.broadbandusa.gov/workshop.htm

For any assistance with the Broadband Initiatives Program (BIP), the Broadband 
Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP, please contact the Broadband USA Help 
Desk by phone at 1-877-508-8364 or by email at broadband...@usda.gov

Broadband Match - at http://match.broadbandusa.gov - allows potential 
applicants to find partners for broadband projects, helping them to combine 
expertise and create stronger proposals. For example, a broadband 
infrastructure provider might partner with community institutions, like 
universities, hospitals, or libraries, on a proposal to bring high-speed 
Internet service to their facilities. Any company, nonprofit, state or local 
government or expert individual interested in applying for funding under NTIA's 
Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP) or RUS's Broadband 
Initiatives Program (BIP) can post a profile, including key information about 
the contribution they can make to a broadband project, as well as search for 
other stakeholders whose skills and resources match their needs.

Thank you;

Joe D. Bradley
joe.brad...@wdc.usda.gov
U.S.D.A. - RUS
Telecomm. Field Representative for ID, E-OR and E-WA

Cell - 208-401-8090 
Desk & FAX - 208-288-1435 (Mountain Time)

Mail / Air Delivery:

U.S.D.A. - RUS
Attn: Joe D. Bradley
104 E. Fairview Ave.
No. 291
Meridian, ID 83642-1733 

-  LOANS and GRANTS  - 

Telecommunications Program Website:
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[WISPA] Story of Medicine Bow (Part II) now online

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I recently started a new blog site that will be highlighting the stories 
of Wireless ISPs around the US, along with equipment reviews, opinion 
pieces on broadband policy and some occasional rants and raves.   The 
site is called Wireless Cowboys and you can find it at 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/.   For those of you that don't know me, 
I run a WISP in rural Nebraska and Wyoming and the WISP Directory site 
http://www.wispdirectory.com.   My college degree is in journalism and 
this is my attempt to reactivate my writing skills outside of the 
wireless mailling lists.

I have loaded some of my previous postings, but today is the unofficial 
kickoff of the site and I have a long, eight part story about the 
struggles of a small town in Wyoming to get broadband service and how 
they finally got it.   It is an eye opener for people who are not 
directly involved in the WISP industry and a reflection of the everyday 
struggles that WISPs face.

Parts I and II of the story have been posted on the site.

My intention is to feature more articles about WISPs in the future.   If 
you have a story that you would like to share with the world, please 
contact me at wirelesscowboy -at- vistabeam.com.

Thanks and have a great weekend!

Matt Larsen
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Re: [WISPA] Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti

[Jeremy Parr]

2010/1/18 Marlon K. Schafer :
> Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in HaitiThanks Nimesh,
>
> To the board, we sponsored a site to take donations for Katrina.  I'd like to 
> suggest that we turn that back on for donations for use in any disaster and 
> that we kick loose any remaining funds for the Haiti event.
>
> To the membership, WISPA has worked with New America for many years.  We are 
> *mostly* on the same page and I know many of the people involved personally.  
> This is a real group of people that do real things, not just a guy or two 
> trying to profit from disasters.
>
> Nimesh, if you come up with anything even more specific let us know.

The big problem down there right now communications wise, is diesel.
There is a microwave link from DR to a large NAP, and they are down to
eight hours of fuel. This would be a great place to start. There is a
thread on NANOG at the moment in regards to this, and even mentions
the "diverse group of wireless people" (Prounounced: Camp Shagnasty)
who helped out in Katrina.

http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg04234.html



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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 09:44 -0800, Rick Kunze wrote: 
> IP based camera, remote recording.  Unless they're prepared, masked and 
> stealthy, you'll have images.  Although I've heard that converting an 
> image into something from which you can recover property can be 
> challenging.  I hear there's an App for that.  

In the WISP I'm partnered with in Texas, we have a very remote location
that has cameras.  We had someone break into the building and steal 4 of
the 6 computers, 3 of the 4 cameras and a HUGE amount of hardline in the
fence outside.  They didn't know, but the video was being stored at
another site.  We got pictures of the license plate on their truck, full
facial images of 3 of the 4 people (the 4th was a woman who somehow
managed to not be in front of the camera at any time).  They tripped the
alarm when they entered the building, and the county police were waiting
for them as they left the area.  The video was used by the DA during the
trial.  We made sure that the details of the case were highly publicized
in the area.


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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Tom Sharples]

Radius Security, one of our vars, has a product that they apply to this 
problem. It's a hi-res camera Mobotix attached to a 3G modem, with alarm 
zones set up so that if someone approaches the solar array, it sends an 
email alert together with a megapixel image of the perp to your choice of 
recipient. Or it can be used with several alarm services companies that are 
set up to work with these cameras, and will call the cops.
For solar apps the nice thing is that the whole package only draws 7 watts. 
Of course an ISP could use its own backhaul so you wouldn't need the 3G 
modem, just the cam, which draws 3 watts by itself.

http://www.radiussecurityinc.com/Solar-Powered-Mobotix-IP-Video-System.html

Tom S.




- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


> Use some of that nice steel rope from Lowe's.  It is cheaper then chain 
> and
> takes a LOT of effort to cut.  Bolt cutters (I am told) do not work.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:22 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Install eyehooks in each panel and daisey chain a wire through the 
>> panels.
>> Connect the cable to a pair of N/C contacts on an ethernet SMS alarm 
>> panel.
>>  They cut the cable, you grt an alarm.
>>
>> Otherwise find some way to connect them together so its really time
>> consuming or difficult to disassemble
>>
>> My experience has been if they can't take it, they usually damage it. 
>> Lil'
>> SOB's.
>>
>> -B-
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:12:48
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>>
>> All I can say it that it was a story Forrest shared.  Using one of the
>> modules a circuit was made between the door and some contact.  Once the
>> circuit was broken an alarm went off and the company with cops waited for
>> them at the base.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> --- Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>>
>> > I also would be interested in the alarm information.
>> > Thanx
>> > NGL
>> >
>> > --
>> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:03 AM
>> > To: "WISPA General List" 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>> >
>> > > Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very 
>> > > least.
>> > >
>> > > Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other
>> thieves
>> > > caught.
>> > >
>> > > Josh Luthman
>> > > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > > 1100 Wayne St
>> > > Suite 1337
>> > > Troy, OH 45373
>> > >
>> > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
>> > > --- Albert Einstein
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson  
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know
>> when
>> > >> it's down?
>> > >>
>> > >> Travis
>> > >> Microserv
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> > >> > Deep sigh.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone. 
>> > >> > $3,000
>> in
>> > >> > hardware, poof.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > What do you guys do to secure them?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.
>> >  Pretty
>> > >> > remote location, not at all publicized.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > ug
>> > >> > marlon
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[lakeland]

Drag the welder up there. Couple of pieces of 3" x 3" angle and weld the whole 
mess together to the mounting pipe.  Cement the pipe in the ground with 6 bags. 
 They won't be able to carry it.  

You'll need a grinder to service it or replace the panels

Lol

Good luck dude.

-B- 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:35:16 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

Wouldn't have mattered.  They'd have been and gone long before anyone could 
have gotten up there to check it out.

This only services 6 homes.  They'll call when it's down

I'm gonna have to come up with something different for up there.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
> it's down?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Deep sigh.
>>
>> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
>> hardware, poof.
>>
>> What do you guys do to secure them?
>>
>> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>>
>> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
>> remote location, not at all publicized.
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>>
>> ug
>> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Rick Kunze]

I'm sold on surveillance.

IP based camera, remote recording.  Unless they're prepared, masked and 
stealthy, you'll have images.  Although I've heard that converting an 
image into something from which you can recover property can be 
challenging.  I hear there's an App for that.  

I once had a customer call with an outage.  Upon seeing no link I went 
to the site and noticed no CPE either!  A day or two later I got a call 
from a local guy who does a lot of the PC repair/housecall business 
around here.  He said some kids came by with my disassembled radio and 
wanted to know if he knew how they could hack the service.  LMAO!

I got it back, put it back together.  Done deal.

There isn't much to see in a small town but what you hear sure makes up 
for it!

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Re: [WISPA] Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Nimesh???
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Unger" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti


> I'd suggest a three-fold approach.
>
> 1. The Board makes a direct contribution to Nimesh's group (say, $1500).
>
> 2. The Board asks members to consider making a further direct donation
> to Nimesh's group.
>
> 3. The Board asks hotspot vendors to consider donating "x" number of
> hotspots to Nimesh's group.
>
> We'll need to get info for how to donate to N's group. Maybe Marlon can
> get that.
>
> jack
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in HaitiThanks Nimesh,
>>
>> To the board, we sponsored a site to take donations for Katrina.  I'd 
>> like to suggest that we turn that back on for donations for use in any 
>> disaster and that we kick loose any remaining funds for the Haiti event.
>>
>> To the membership, WISPA has worked with New America for many years.  We 
>> are *mostly* on the same page and I know many of the people involved 
>> personally.  This is a real group of people that do real things, not just 
>> a guy or two trying to profit from disasters.
>>
>> Nimesh, if you come up with anything even more specific let us know.
>>
>> laters,
>> marlon
>>
>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: Nimesh Parikh
>>   To: Marlon Schafer
>>   Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM
>>   Subject: Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti
>>
>>
>>   Hi Marlon,
>>
>>   Thanks for the response.
>>
>>   Money is always good. If you come across any people willing to go to 
>> Haiti to do the installations, please point them to me.
>>
>>   Here is our plan - We are planning to install 100 wireless hotspots for 
>> various NGOs. These hotspots will be connected by WiMAX and Outdoor WiFi 
>> links and then to satellite hubs for outside connectivity. I think we 
>> have the radio equipment. Now I am in discussions with Satellite 
>> companies to connect to their links. I am also looking for Solar panels, 
>> Indoor WiFi routers etc.
>>
>>   All this equipment will be carried by a team of 4-6 people. You may 
>> know Earl Campbell from Uphi.net? At Tsunami time we had sponsored him, 
>> Peggy Townsend and couple of other guys to go to Aceh. They spent 4 
>> months there and thus have the experience of what it is like to work in 
>> such type of hostile environment. I just made an arrangement for this 
>> team to work side by side with the ITU's team so we can expand the 
>> project scope.
>>
>>   I hope this gives you an idea about out activities and find some common 
>> areas to help.
>>
>>
>>   With warm regards,
>>
>>
>>   Nimesh D. PARIKH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>   From: Marlon Schafer 
>>   Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:43:51 -0800
>>   To: Nimesh Parikh 
>>   Subject: Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti
>>
>>   Hi Nimesh,
>>
>>   I'd be happy to help.  We've (wispa) already been working on getting 
>> money to groups that are helping.
>>
>>   Do you have any more specific requests?
>>
>>   Laters,
>>   marlon
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>>
>> From:  Nimesh Parikh 
>>
>> To: Marlon Schafer 
>>
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:43  PM
>>
>> Subject: Support for Comms Infrastructure  Setup in Haiti
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Marlon,
>>
>> I hope things are going well for  you. It has been a long time since 
>> we last communicated.
>>
>> I would like  to ask for your help to organize some sponsorships to 
>> support the rapid  deployment of wireless communication network in the 
>> Haiti disaster area.
>>
>> At the Tsunami disaster time in Aceh (Indonesia), we had sponsored a 
>> team of volunteer engineers and provide them our wireless equipment to 
>> establish early communication network. It was a very effective project 
>> (see  attached slide). And in fact that wireless network was the only 
>> means of  communication for the NGOs for many weeks. In the attached 
>> picture you see the  Red Cross "Head Quarters" and the doctors using the 
>> Internet to communicate  with the outside world.
>>
>> The same team of volunteers have approached me  and I have agreed to 
>> sponsor them. We are providing them equipment and  financial support. 
>> They are preparing to go to Haiti and install the wireless  communication 
>> capabilities. In order to up-scope their efforts, we are also 
>> undertaking the coordination efforts with our business partners 
>> (customers,  suppliers, friends ...), to contribute their resources so 
>> that collectively we  are able to sponsor more equipment and more 
>> volunteers to help rebuild the  Haiti's communication infrastructure. We 
>> already have few WiMAX and WiFi  equipment manufacturers supporting this 
>> effort. We are in d

Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Wouldn't have mattered.  They'd have been and gone long before anyone could 
have gotten up there to check it out.

This only services 6 homes.  They'll call when it's down

I'm gonna have to come up with something different for up there.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site


> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
> it's down?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> Deep sigh.
>>
>> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
>> hardware, poof.
>>
>> What do you guys do to secure them?
>>
>> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>>
>> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
>> remote location, not at all publicized.
>>
>> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>>
>> ug
>> marlon
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Josh Luthman]

Use some of that nice steel rope from Lowe's.  It is cheaper then chain and
takes a LOT of effort to cut.  Bolt cutters (I am told) do not work.

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--- Albert Einstein


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:22 PM,  wrote:

> Install eyehooks in each panel and daisey chain a wire through the panels.
> Connect the cable to a pair of N/C contacts on an ethernet SMS alarm panel.
>  They cut the cable, you grt an alarm.
>
> Otherwise find some way to connect them together so its really time
> consuming or difficult to disassemble
>
> My experience has been if they can't take it, they usually damage it.  Lil'
> SOB's.
>
> -B-
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:12:48
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
> All I can say it that it was a story Forrest shared.  Using one of the
> modules a circuit was made between the door and some contact.  Once the
> circuit was broken an alarm went off and the company with cops waited for
> them at the base.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> --- Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>
> > I also would be interested in the alarm information.
> > Thanx
> > NGL
> >
> > --
> > From: "Josh Luthman" 
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:03 AM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
> >
> > > Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very least.
> > >
> > > Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other
> thieves
> > > caught.
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > > --- Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> > >
> > >> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know
> when
> > >> it's down?
> > >>
> > >> Travis
> > >> Microserv
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> > >> > Deep sigh.
> > >> >
> > >> > I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000
> in
> > >> > hardware, poof.
> > >> >
> > >> > What do you guys do to secure them?
> > >> >
> > >> > I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
> > >> >
> > >> > It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.
> >  Pretty
> > >> > remote location, not at all publicized.
> > >> >
> > >> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
> > >> >
> > >> > ug
> > >> > marlon
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[lakeland]

Install eyehooks in each panel and daisey chain a wire through the panels. 
Connect the cable to a pair of N/C contacts on an ethernet SMS alarm panel.  
They cut the cable, you grt an alarm. 

Otherwise find some way to connect them together so its really time consuming 
or difficult to disassemble

My experience has been if they can't take it, they usually damage it.  Lil' 
SOB's.

-B-
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman 
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:12:48 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

All I can say it that it was a story Forrest shared.  Using one of the
modules a circuit was made between the door and some contact.  Once the
circuit was broken an alarm went off and the company with cops waited for
them at the base.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
--- Albert Einstein


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

> I also would be interested in the alarm information.
> Thanx
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
> > Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very least.
> >
> > Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other thieves
> > caught.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> >
> >> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
> >> it's down?
> >>
> >> Travis
> >> Microserv
> >>
> >>
> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >> > Deep sigh.
> >> >
> >> > I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
> >> > hardware, poof.
> >> >
> >> > What do you guys do to secure them?
> >> >
> >> > I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
> >> >
> >> > It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.
>  Pretty
> >> > remote location, not at all publicized.
> >> >
> >> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
> >> >
> >> > ug
> >> > marlon
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Josh Luthman]

All I can say it that it was a story Forrest shared.  Using one of the
modules a circuit was made between the door and some contact.  Once the
circuit was broken an alarm went off and the company with cops waited for
them at the base.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

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--- Albert Einstein


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:08 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:

> I also would be interested in the alarm information.
> Thanx
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site
>
> > Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very least.
> >
> > Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other thieves
> > caught.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> >
> >> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
> >> it's down?
> >>
> >> Travis
> >> Microserv
> >>
> >>
> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> >> > Deep sigh.
> >> >
> >> > I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
> >> > hardware, poof.
> >> >
> >> > What do you guys do to secure them?
> >> >
> >> > I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
> >> >
> >> > It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.
>  Pretty
> >> > remote location, not at all publicized.
> >> >
> >> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
> >> >
> >> > ug
> >> > marlon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[~NGL~]

I also would be interested in the alarm information.
Thanx
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Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:03 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

> Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very least.
>
> Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other thieves
> caught.
>
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> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
>> it's down?
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>> > Deep sigh.
>> >
>> > I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
>> > hardware, poof.
>> >
>> > What do you guys do to secure them?
>> >
>> > I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>> >
>> > It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
>> > remote location, not at all publicized.
>> >
>> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>> >
>> > ug
>> > marlon
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti

[Jack Unger]

I'd suggest a three-fold approach.

1. The Board makes a direct contribution to Nimesh's group (say, $1500).

2. The Board asks members to consider making a further direct donation 
to Nimesh's group.

3. The Board asks hotspot vendors to consider donating "x" number of 
hotspots to Nimesh's group.

We'll need to get info for how to donate to N's group. Maybe Marlon can 
get that.

jack


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in HaitiThanks Nimesh,
>
> To the board, we sponsored a site to take donations for Katrina.  I'd like to 
> suggest that we turn that back on for donations for use in any disaster and 
> that we kick loose any remaining funds for the Haiti event.
>
> To the membership, WISPA has worked with New America for many years.  We are 
> *mostly* on the same page and I know many of the people involved personally.  
> This is a real group of people that do real things, not just a guy or two 
> trying to profit from disasters.
>
> Nimesh, if you come up with anything even more specific let us know.
>
> laters,
> marlon
>
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Nimesh Parikh 
>   To: Marlon Schafer 
>   Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM
>   Subject: Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti
>
>
>   Hi Marlon,
>
>   Thanks for the response. 
>
>   Money is always good. If you come across any people willing to go to Haiti 
> to do the installations, please point them to me. 
>
>   Here is our plan - We are planning to install 100 wireless hotspots for 
> various NGOs. These hotspots will be connected by WiMAX and Outdoor WiFi 
> links and then to satellite hubs for outside connectivity. I think we have 
> the radio equipment. Now I am in discussions with Satellite companies to 
> connect to their links. I am also looking for Solar panels, Indoor WiFi 
> routers etc. 
>
>   All this equipment will be carried by a team of 4-6 people. You may know 
> Earl Campbell from Uphi.net? At Tsunami time we had sponsored him, Peggy 
> Townsend and couple of other guys to go to Aceh. They spent 4 months there 
> and thus have the experience of what it is like to work in such type of 
> hostile environment. I just made an arrangement for this team to work side by 
> side with the ITU's team so we can expand the project scope. 
>
>   I hope this gives you an idea about out activities and find some common 
> areas to help. 
>
>
>   With warm regards,
>
>
>   Nimesh D. PARIKH
>
>
>
>
> --
>   From: Marlon Schafer 
>   Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:43:51 -0800
>   To: Nimesh Parikh 
>   Subject: Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti
>
>   Hi Nimesh,
>
>   I'd be happy to help.  We've (wispa) already been working on getting money 
> to groups that are helping.
>
>   Do you have any more specific requests?
>
>   Laters,
>   marlon
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
>  
> From:  Nimesh Parikh   
>  
> To: Marlon Schafer   
>  
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:43  PM
>  
> Subject: Support for Comms Infrastructure  Setup in Haiti
>  
>
>
> Hi Marlon,
>
> I hope things are going well for  you. It has been a long time since we 
> last communicated. 
>
> I would like  to ask for your help to organize some sponsorships to 
> support the rapid  deployment of wireless communication network in the Haiti 
> disaster area.  
>
> At the Tsunami disaster time in Aceh (Indonesia), we had sponsored a  
> team of volunteer engineers and provide them our wireless equipment to  
> establish early communication network. It was a very effective project (see  
> attached slide). And in fact that wireless network was the only means of  
> communication for the NGOs for many weeks. In the attached picture you see 
> the  Red Cross "Head Quarters" and the doctors using the Internet to 
> communicate  with the outside world. 
>
> The same team of volunteers have approached me  and I have agreed to 
> sponsor them. We are providing them equipment and  financial support. They 
> are preparing to go to Haiti and install the wireless  communication 
> capabilities. In order to up-scope their efforts, we are also  undertaking 
> the coordination efforts with our business partners (customers,  suppliers, 
> friends ...), to contribute their resources so that collectively we  are able 
> to sponsor more equipment and more volunteers to help rebuild the  Haiti's 
> communication infrastructure. We already have few WiMAX and WiFi  equipment 
> manufacturers supporting this effort. We are in discussions with the  
> manufacturers of Towers, Antennas, VoIP equipment, computers, Satellite  
> service providers etc to make this as complete as possible.
>
> I believe  we have sufficient equipment for the first batch. Now some 
> money is coming in  so that we can buy the raw materials (a

Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Josh Luthman]

Be sure to file a police report.  It covers your ass at the very least.

Might want to talk to Forrest about the alarm that got some other thieves
caught.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Albert Einstein


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when
> it's down?
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> > Deep sigh.
> >
> > I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in
> > hardware, poof.
> >
> > What do you guys do to secure them?
> >
> > I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
> >
> > It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty
> > remote location, not at all publicized.
> >
> > Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
> >
> > ug
> > marlon
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[jp]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 08:50:47AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Deep sigh.
> 
> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in 
> hardware, poof.
> 
> What do you guys do to secure them?

Two of mine are on islands. You'd have to have a real nice boat to get 
to them. That rules out most lower tier criminals. The solar repeaters 
are on the property of lobstermen on the islands too. Lobstermen have 
limits of how much they will mess with each other, as extra-legal 
retribution is reality and they have to get along together on the same 
pieces of ocean.

> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
> 
> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty 
> remote location, not at all publicized.
> 
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
> 
> ug
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] stolen solar site

[Travis Johnson]

That sucks. Don't you monitor your sites with something so you know when 
it's down?

Travis
Microserv


Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> Deep sigh.
>
> I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in 
> hardware, poof.
>
> What do you guys do to secure them?
>
> I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!
>
> It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty 
> remote location, not at all publicized.
>
> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?
>
> ug
> marlon
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Randy Cosby]

Got the AirBreeze unit apart this morning.  As my kids would say... Epic 
Fail!

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On 1/18/2010 9:11 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:
> Thanks Scott.
>
> If we can't get this one fixed, I'll be placing an order soon.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 1/18/2010 9:04 AM, Scott Parsons wrote:
>
>> Those turbine can operate open loop so the controller just disconnects the 
>> battery from the turbine when the battery is fully charged.
>> It doesn't hurt the turbine to operate with no load.
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>> What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump 
>> load with the tycon turbines?
>>
>> Scott Parsons   wrote:
>>
>>
>>  
>>> Randy,
>>>
>>> You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's
>>> just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the
>>> batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>
>>> Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how
>>> they hold up in extreme weather.
>>> But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too
>>> big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they
>>> could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines.
>>> IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>
>>> Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left
>>> for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.
>>>
>>> Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need
>>> an external controller and load dump.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
>>>
>>>
 I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.

 I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge
 better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every
 year to 18 months.

 My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.

  
>>> Each
>>>
>>>
 time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a

  
>>> storm
>>>
>>>
 came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just

  
>>> reverted
>>>
>>>
 back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave
 me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.

 What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of

  
>>> others
>>>
>>>
 that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
 them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power

  
>>> output.
>>>
>>>



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 Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine



  
> Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest
> wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or
> 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better?
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[WISPA] stolen solar site

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Deep sigh.

I put up my first solar site 3 weeks ago.  Today it's gone.  $3,000 in 
hardware, poof.

What do you guys do to secure them?

I hope the jerks fell of the cliff's and got hurt!

It's not like the whole world even know the gear was out there.  Pretty 
remote location, not at all publicized.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New year eh?

ug
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Re: [WISPA] Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti

[Marlon K. Schafer]

Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in HaitiThanks Nimesh,

To the board, we sponsored a site to take donations for Katrina.  I'd like to 
suggest that we turn that back on for donations for use in any disaster and 
that we kick loose any remaining funds for the Haiti event.

To the membership, WISPA has worked with New America for many years.  We are 
*mostly* on the same page and I know many of the people involved personally.  
This is a real group of people that do real things, not just a guy or two 
trying to profit from disasters.

Nimesh, if you come up with anything even more specific let us know.

laters,
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nimesh Parikh 
  To: Marlon Schafer 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:03 AM
  Subject: Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti


  Hi Marlon,

  Thanks for the response. 

  Money is always good. If you come across any people willing to go to Haiti to 
do the installations, please point them to me. 

  Here is our plan - We are planning to install 100 wireless hotspots for 
various NGOs. These hotspots will be connected by WiMAX and Outdoor WiFi links 
and then to satellite hubs for outside connectivity. I think we have the radio 
equipment. Now I am in discussions with Satellite companies to connect to their 
links. I am also looking for Solar panels, Indoor WiFi routers etc. 

  All this equipment will be carried by a team of 4-6 people. You may know Earl 
Campbell from Uphi.net? At Tsunami time we had sponsored him, Peggy Townsend 
and couple of other guys to go to Aceh. They spent 4 months there and thus have 
the experience of what it is like to work in such type of hostile environment. 
I just made an arrangement for this team to work side by side with the ITU's 
team so we can expand the project scope. 

  I hope this gives you an idea about out activities and find some common areas 
to help. 


  With warm regards,


  Nimesh D. PARIKH




--
  From: Marlon Schafer 
  Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:43:51 -0800
  To: Nimesh Parikh 
  Subject: Re: Support for Comms Infrastructure Setup in Haiti

  Hi Nimesh,

  I'd be happy to help.  We've (wispa) already been working on getting money to 
groups that are helping.

  Do you have any more specific requests?

  Laters,
  marlon



- Original Message - 
 
From:  Nimesh Parikh   
 
To: Marlon Schafer   
 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:43  PM
 
Subject: Support for Comms Infrastructure  Setup in Haiti
 


Hi Marlon,

I hope things are going well for  you. It has been a long time since we 
last communicated. 

I would like  to ask for your help to organize some sponsorships to support 
the rapid  deployment of wireless communication network in the Haiti disaster 
area.  

At the Tsunami disaster time in Aceh (Indonesia), we had sponsored a  team 
of volunteer engineers and provide them our wireless equipment to  establish 
early communication network. It was a very effective project (see  attached 
slide). And in fact that wireless network was the only means of  communication 
for the NGOs for many weeks. In the attached picture you see the  Red Cross 
"Head Quarters" and the doctors using the Internet to communicate  with the 
outside world. 

The same team of volunteers have approached me  and I have agreed to 
sponsor them. We are providing them equipment and  financial support. They are 
preparing to go to Haiti and install the wireless  communication capabilities. 
In order to up-scope their efforts, we are also  undertaking the coordination 
efforts with our business partners (customers,  suppliers, friends ...), to 
contribute their resources so that collectively we  are able to sponsor more 
equipment and more volunteers to help rebuild the  Haiti's communication 
infrastructure. We already have few WiMAX and WiFi  equipment manufacturers 
supporting this effort. We are in discussions with the  manufacturers of 
Towers, Antennas, VoIP equipment, computers, Satellite  service providers etc 
to make this as complete as possible.

I believe  we have sufficient equipment for the first batch. Now some money 
is coming in  so that we can buy the raw materials (already subsidized by 
contributions from  vendors). This raw material is being converted into 
wireless products  (manufacturing cost is further absorbed by the partners) and 
then we will send  over to Haiti. So all in all, we are able to make the 
contributions go a long  way in supporting the end goal. 

I hope you are able to use your  contacts in the industry and get some 
contributions for this important cause.  We can use help in all aspects - 
Equipment, Money, Volunteers to help install  ..., just use your imagination. 


With warm  regards,


Nimesh D. PARIKH




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Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

[Gino Villarini]

www.packetflux.com  has serial to ip converter for those

Gino A. Villarini
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787.273.4143

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Christopher Erickson
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 12:11 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

They have serial interfaces instead of network interfaces and
support a type of MODBUS communication, which can be interfaced
to SNMP by various means.  One way would be with the ultra-
low power Parallax PINK module, which can give a web and telnet
interface as well as SNMP.

"My advice is always free and worth every penny!"

-Christopher Erickson
Network Design Engineer
Waikoloa Village, HI 96738
N19°57' W155°47'
  

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:47 AM
> To: wireless
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> 
> Do these charges have any builtin monitoring via SNMP?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Erickson [mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 15 January 2010 19:22
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> 
> Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors.
> 
> I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers.  Get every
> last watt of solar charging you can manage.  Each controller can
> handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels.  If you end up needing
> more than three panels, add controllers and panels until
> sufficient charging is obtained.
> 
> Avoid as many power conversions as possible.  Power conversions
> never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up
> wasted as heat.
> 
> 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and
> can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries
> because they have much thicker plates.
> 
> Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem.  If so, schedule
> regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels.
> 
> Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets.  Solar
> panels are starting to become a popular theft item.
> 
> "My advice is free and worth every penny!"
> 
> -Christopher Erickson
> Network Design Engineer
> Waikoloa Village, HI 96738
> N19°57' W155°47'
> 
>   
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ
> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> > 
> > Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP 
> > group for this
> > question...
> > 
> > 
> > Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the 
> > middle of a
> > metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by 
> > ghetto on one side
> > and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option.
> > 
> > We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel 
> > cell batteries
> > which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)...
> > 
> > The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each 
> > event we work
> > in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever 
> > battery is in
> > place.. Not quite the most efficient plan.
> > 
> > Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 
> > 300-400 amp hour,
> > then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to 
> maintain a
> > charge...
> > 
> > Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater 
> > turned down to 25
> > watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, 
> > transmit ramps up to
> > about 3.5 amps...
> > 
> > Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a 
> > year within the
> > coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 
> > 10% duty cycle
> > (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the 
> > repeater sits idle
> > and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything 
> > unless it's actively
> > in use)...
> > 
> > What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > -AJ
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Randy Cosby]

Thanks Scott.

If we can't get this one fixed, I'll be placing an order soon.

Randy


On 1/18/2010 9:04 AM, Scott Parsons wrote:
> Those turbine can operate open loop so the controller just disconnects the 
> battery from the turbine when the battery is fully charged.
> It doesn't hurt the turbine to operate with no load.
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
> What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump 
> load with the tycon turbines?
>
> Scott Parsons  wrote:
>
>
>> Randy,
>>
>> You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's
>> just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the
>> batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>> Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how
>> they hold up in extreme weather.
>> But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too
>> big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they
>> could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines.
>> IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>> Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left
>> for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.
>>
>> Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need
>> an external controller and load dump.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
>>  
>>> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>>>
>>> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge
>>> better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every
>>> year to 18 months.
>>>
>>> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.
>>>
>> Each
>>  
>>> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a
>>>
>> storm
>>  
>>> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just
>>>
>> reverted
>>  
>>> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave
>>> me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>>>
>>> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of
>>>
>> others
>>  
>>> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
>>> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power
>>>
>> output.
>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Randy Cosby"
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List"
>>> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest
 wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or
 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better?

 --
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 Vice President
 InfoWest, Inc

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Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

[Christopher Erickson]

They have serial interfaces instead of network interfaces and
support a type of MODBUS communication, which can be interfaced
to SNMP by various means.  One way would be with the ultra-
low power Parallax PINK module, which can give a web and telnet
interface as well as SNMP.

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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:47 AM
> To: wireless
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> 
> Do these charges have any builtin monitoring via SNMP?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Erickson [mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 15 January 2010 19:22
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> 
> Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors.
> 
> I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers.  Get every
> last watt of solar charging you can manage.  Each controller can
> handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels.  If you end up needing
> more than three panels, add controllers and panels until
> sufficient charging is obtained.
> 
> Avoid as many power conversions as possible.  Power conversions
> never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up
> wasted as heat.
> 
> 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and
> can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries
> because they have much thicker plates.
> 
> Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem.  If so, schedule
> regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels.
> 
> Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets.  Solar
> panels are starting to become a popular theft item.
> 
> "My advice is free and worth every penny!"
> 
> -Christopher Erickson
> Network Design Engineer
> Waikoloa Village, HI 96738
> N19°57' W155°47'
> 
>   
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ
> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> > 
> > Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP 
> > group for this
> > question...
> > 
> > 
> > Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the 
> > middle of a
> > metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by 
> > ghetto on one side
> > and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option.
> > 
> > We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel 
> > cell batteries
> > which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)...
> > 
> > The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each 
> > event we work
> > in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever 
> > battery is in
> > place.. Not quite the most efficient plan.
> > 
> > Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 
> > 300-400 amp hour,
> > then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to 
> maintain a
> > charge...
> > 
> > Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater 
> > turned down to 25
> > watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, 
> > transmit ramps up to
> > about 3.5 amps...
> > 
> > Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a 
> > year within the
> > coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 
> > 10% duty cycle
> > (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the 
> > repeater sits idle
> > and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything 
> > unless it's actively
> > in use)...
> > 
> > What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site?
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > -AJ
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

[Scott Parsons]

Those turbine can operate open loop so the controller just disconnects the 
battery from the turbine when the battery is fully charged.
It doesn't hurt the turbine to operate with no load.
Regards,
Scott

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine

What does happen when the battery is fully charged if you do not have a dump 
load with the tycon turbines?

Scott Parsons  wrote:

>Randy,
>
>You don't need a dump load with the Tycon Power Systems turbines. It's 
>just an option. Some folks like to dump any extra power (after the 
>batteries are fully charged) off to a heater or other load.
>
>Scott
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>Behalf Of Chuck Profito
>Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:33 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
>Has anybody used Swift 's ?  quiet and small but I have no idea how 
>they hold up in extreme weather.
>But I think the one that's coming on hard is Flow Design's.  Way too 
>big for us now, but if they ever get their head out of the clouds, they 
>could be a real contender for small home and commercial turbines.  
>IMHO, Keep a close eye on this one.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>Behalf Of Randy Cosby
>Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:12 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind turbine
>
>Good feedback.  The air breeze came off the mountain just before I left 
>for AF, so I haven't taken it apart yet.  Smelled a bit toasty though.
>
>Anyone tried the Tycon Power systems turbine yet?  Obviously will need 
>an external controller and load dump.
>
>Randy
>
>
>On 1/15/2010 9:59 AM, MDK wrote:
>> I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
>>
>> I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge 
>> better in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every 
>> year to 18 months.
>>
>> My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45 days.
>Each
>> time the insides totally melted down, into a toxic mess.   Each time a
>storm
>> came through it failed - the Air-X is nothing like that.I just
>reverted
>> back to Air-X, because SWWP got tired of replacing it for me and gave 
>> me a new Air-X instead of fixing my Breeze.
>>
>> What kind of power requirements do you have?I've seen a couple of
>others
>> that might serve you, as well.I don't' have time at the moment to look
>> them up.They're all considerably smaller than the Air-X in power
>output.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: "Randy Cosby"
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:19 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Subject: [WISPA] wind turbine
>>
>>
>>> Anyone using wind turbines in high-wind areas?  We had a Southwest 
>>> wind power AirBreeze get shredded - probably 80+mph winds.  Are 5 or 
>>> 6-blade turbines going to handle high wind better?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Randy Cosby
>>> Vice President
>>> InfoWest, Inc
>>>
>>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>>>
>>> http://www.infowest.com/
>>>
>>> "Letting off steam always produces more heat than light." - Neal A.
>>> Maxwell
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

[Scott Parsons]

I think most people fabricate their own pole mounts using angle iron and
hose clamps. You can find some pole mount designs at power-fab.com

Regards,
Scott

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of AJ
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

Wow those Tycon panels look right up our alley - what exactly seems to be
the preferred mounting bracket/hardware for these?

Thanks!
-AJ

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Scott Parsons  wrote:

> You have plenty of battery capacity to handle your intermittent load so
you
> just really have to deal with the standby load. A 10W solar panel would
> handle your standby load.
> There's a handy calculator at tyconpower.com/learning_center
> I would recommend a small 30W solar panel to take care of standby load and
> give enough extra capacity to keep the battery bank fully charged.
> A 12V 5A controller would handle the charging of the batteries and your
> load.
> Some prices from beezwaxproducts.com
> 30W 12V panel $179
> 12V 5A controller $24.95
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of AJ
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
>
> Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for
> this
> question...
>
>
> Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a
> metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one
side
> and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option.
>
> We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell
> batteries
> which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)...
>
> The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work
> in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in
> place.. Not quite the most efficient plan.
>
> Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp
hour,
> then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a
> charge...
>
> Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25
> watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to
> about 3.5 amps...
>
> Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the
> coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle
> (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits
idle
> and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's
> actively
> in use)...
>
> What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site?
>
> Thanks!
> -AJ
>
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

[Paul Hendry]

Do these charges have any builtin monitoring via SNMP?

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Erickson [mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 15 January 2010 19:22
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?

Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors.

I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers.  Get every
last watt of solar charging you can manage.  Each controller can
handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels.  If you end up needing
more than three panels, add controllers and panels until
sufficient charging is obtained.

Avoid as many power conversions as possible.  Power conversions
never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up
wasted as heat.

6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and
can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries
because they have much thicker plates.

Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem.  If so, schedule
regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels.

Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets.  Solar
panels are starting to become a popular theft item.

"My advice is free and worth every penny!"

-Christopher Erickson
Network Design Engineer
Waikoloa Village, HI 96738
N19°57' W155°47'

  

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
> 
> Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP 
> group for this
> question...
> 
> 
> Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the 
> middle of a
> metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by 
> ghetto on one side
> and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option.
> 
> We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel 
> cell batteries
> which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)...
> 
> The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each 
> event we work
> in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever 
> battery is in
> place.. Not quite the most efficient plan.
> 
> Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 
> 300-400 amp hour,
> then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a
> charge...
> 
> Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater 
> turned down to 25
> watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, 
> transmit ramps up to
> about 3.5 amps...
> 
> Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a 
> year within the
> coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 
> 10% duty cycle
> (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the 
> repeater sits idle
> and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything 
> unless it's actively
> in use)...
> 
> What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site?
> 
> Thanks!
> -AJ
> 
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