Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Yep! and quit spending "our" money to get it there, if it even registered on the radar. I could go further about all the $$$ they give to rural telco's, but that's another matter. Scott -- Original Message -- From: RickG Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:31:37 -0500 >That is my point. Over my lifetime, I've done a lot of moving and traveling. >What I find is that some areas are not as progressive as others - and they >want it that way. Why do the Feds think they know whats best for these >areas? Dont the locals know whats best for themselves? If the majority in >these areas dont want broadband access so be it. If the minority in these >areas wants it, then they need to change the minds of the majority, figure >out a way to get it there, or move. Where is my thinking wrong here? >-RickG > >On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: > >> Under/un-served areas unfortunately doesn't guarantee any take rate or even >> clients being able to or wanting to make payment. So your own money would be >> best in those situations rather than stimulus for sure. >> >> >> >Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have >> anything >> >> in there? No one else has anything there either? >> >> >> >> That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! >> >> >> >> Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there >> were >> >>> 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those >> counties I >> >>> was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. >> (And >> >>> one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a >> >>> different provider to include them in their application, but that >> provider >> >>> chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy >> for >> >>> me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. >> >>> >> >>> What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census >> >>> block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block >> >>> (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the >> >>> houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very >> >>> difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it >> >>> doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone >> else >> >>> building out to them either. >> >>> >> >>> Chuck >> >>> >> >>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> I think so. >> >> 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into >> account >> the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps >> others?). >> >> It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so >> many >> homes untouched. >> >> At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's >> $288,000,000 >> in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. >> I >> can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with >> no >> options. >> >> I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see >> that >> many >> with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup >> internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do >> they >> count as one of the 24 million? >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >> >> >> > So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm >> > wrong): >> > >> > (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO >> SERVICE. >> > His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have >> chosen >> > not >> > to subscribe. >> > >> > (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it >> is >> > private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the >> > analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with >> > publicly available data. >> > >> > Chuck >> > >> > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> > >> > >> >> Heya Brian, >> >> >> >> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households >> services >> >> was >> >> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would >> >> give >> >> an
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
During high school and college, I had a nice summer job repairing and final testing some expensive government electronics. It used skills I already had, rather than anything from college. The people involved in building what I tested and fixed didn't have any electronics education. They knew their resistor colors, knew diodes only went one way, and could read the labels on chips. They were holdovers from the declining minicomputer businesses, and they were one step away from being replaced by a wave soldering machine if the production volume were a little higher. When I was in college 93-95 at a reputable engineering school, I had an EE roommate and many friends in the department. They went from math to breadboards to FPGAs, imaginary logic circuits, and VLSI. Nothing as simple as actually building or repairing things; that's for hobby or lower end jobs. It doesn't make for star researchers or big business inventors. I studied computer science. You could graduate without actually opening a computer or assembling a network cable. You'd have to be able to program the computer with a variety of languages and a variety of methods and algorithms. You'd probably get a nice job managing a team of programmers or a serious software project after graduation. I dropped out and started an Internet business like many did during that era. On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 01:28:24PM -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: > No offense, but as also a BSEE, I offer that many people with > a degree still have no clue about test equipment or simple things like > soldering irons. > > I recall all too clearly a young lady who had her BSEE doing an > internship with the FBI, who had no idea how those components > were actually connected together on a board. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > > >I am an EE... I know my way around a spec-an. > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Good point. Right after starting my first year of engineering school, I literally had to teach one of my classmates how to use a phillips screwdriver. This person didn't stick with engineering for long :) I guess I'll just say that I know the difference between my RBW and VBW. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Blake Bowers wrote: > No offense, but as also a BSEE, I offer that many people with > a degree still have no clue about test equipment or simple things like > soldering irons. > > I recall all too clearly a young lady who had her BSEE doing an > internship with the FBI, who had no idea how those components > were actually connected together on a board. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > >> I am an EE... I know my way around a spec-an. >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Well. as a guy that uses this equipment every day I can verify that a large amount of individuals with titles and letters after their names don't have a clue. :-) Not all...just a good quantity of them -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Blake Bowers" Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 13:28:24 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? No offense, but as also a BSEE, I offer that many people with a degree still have no clue about test equipment or simple things like soldering irons. I recall all too clearly a young lady who had her BSEE doing an internship with the FBI, who had no idea how those components were actually connected together on a board. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? >I am an EE... I know my way around a spec-an. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
No offense, but as also a BSEE, I offer that many people with a degree still have no clue about test equipment or simple things like soldering irons. I recall all too clearly a young lady who had her BSEE doing an internship with the FBI, who had no idea how those components were actually connected together on a board. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? >I am an EE... I know my way around a spec-an. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Syslog
2010/1/22 Adam Kennedy : > Splunk is the way to go for something like that. Splunk is very nice, a reasonably decent free product I have used and been relatively happy with is PHPLogCon. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Grab an old Canopy SM off ebay - they have a decent spectrum analyzer built in if you just want to sit it out at a site and get a general feel for what's going on. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > The problem with nearly all of the radio based systems is that they don't > see constant carrier. Don't even pick it up. > > I've seen that with both the trango and alvarion vl systems. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "jp" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > >> We've got an older HP (now agilent) spectrum analyzer that does up to >> 22ghz. Most people don't know how to use it. I had plenty of experience >> with O-scopes, and obtained a manual for it, so I'm comfortable with it. >> The average 25 year old geek would be lost after turning it on. >> >> We occasionally drag it out and use a directional antenna to locate a >> source of interference. Sees the cell phone, 900 paging, and some 900 >> unlicensed stuff real good. 5ghz is harder as the antennas are much more >> directional. >> >> For monitoring over a time period, Trango 900 SUs and Alvarion 900VL SUs >> are great at spectrum analysis too via the CLI, as is the Alvarion FH >> 900 with the spectrum analysis firmware and windows utility. For 5ghz, >> I'd recommend an Alvarion VL SU for the band you are testing. >> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:34:45PM -0500, Steven G McGehee wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for >>> common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, >>> and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz >>> range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the >>> 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a >>> Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks >>> would recommend. >>> >>> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! >>> >>> -Steven >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> -- >> /* >> Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL >>KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting >> http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ >> */ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
That is my point. Over my lifetime, I've done a lot of moving and traveling. What I find is that some areas are not as progressive as others - and they want it that way. Why do the Feds think they know whats best for these areas? Dont the locals know whats best for themselves? If the majority in these areas dont want broadband access so be it. If the minority in these areas wants it, then they need to change the minds of the majority, figure out a way to get it there, or move. Where is my thinking wrong here? -RickG On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Stuart Pierce wrote: > Under/un-served areas unfortunately doesn't guarantee any take rate or even > clients being able to or wanting to make payment. So your own money would be > best in those situations rather than stimulus for sure. > > > >Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have > anything > >> in there? No one else has anything there either? > >> > >> That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! > >> > >> Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > >> > >> > >> > >>> In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there > were > >>> 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those > counties I > >>> was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. > (And > >>> one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a > >>> different provider to include them in their application, but that > provider > >>> chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy > for > >>> me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. > >>> > >>> What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census > >>> block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block > >>> (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the > >>> houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very > >>> difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it > >>> doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone > else > >>> building out to them either. > >>> > >>> Chuck > >>> > >>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>> > >>> > I think so. > > 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into > account > the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps > others?). > > It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so > many > homes untouched. > > At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's > $288,000,000 > in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. > I > can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with > no > options. > > I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see > that > many > with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup > internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do > they > count as one of the 24 million? > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Chuck Bartosch" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > > > > > So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm > > wrong): > > > > (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO > SERVICE. > > His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have > chosen > > not > > to subscribe. > > > > (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it > is > > private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the > > analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with > > publicly available data. > > > > Chuck > > > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > > > > >> Heya Brian, > >> > >> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households > services > >> was > >> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would > >> give > >> an > >> indication of the number of actually services households. > >> > >> If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 > it's > >> likely > >> to be quite inaccurate. > >> > >> People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of > >> customers > >> that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies > >> offering services in the area. > >> > >> I'm trying to get
Re: [WISPA] Syslog
Splunk is the way to go for something like that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Syslog I'm looking to setup a syslog server. Like most things open source, there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been abandoned for years. I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL. I'd like a GUI of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things. It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to figure out. oh, and Linux based. Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
The problem with nearly all of the radio based systems is that they don't see constant carrier. Don't even pick it up. I've seen that with both the trango and alvarion vl systems. marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > We've got an older HP (now agilent) spectrum analyzer that does up to > 22ghz. Most people don't know how to use it. I had plenty of experience > with O-scopes, and obtained a manual for it, so I'm comfortable with it. > The average 25 year old geek would be lost after turning it on. > > We occasionally drag it out and use a directional antenna to locate a > source of interference. Sees the cell phone, 900 paging, and some 900 > unlicensed stuff real good. 5ghz is harder as the antennas are much more > directional. > > For monitoring over a time period, Trango 900 SUs and Alvarion 900VL SUs > are great at spectrum analysis too via the CLI, as is the Alvarion FH > 900 with the spectrum analysis firmware and windows utility. For 5ghz, > I'd recommend an Alvarion VL SU for the band you are testing. > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:34:45PM -0500, Steven G McGehee wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for >> common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, >> and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz >> range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the >> 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a >> Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks >> would recommend. >> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! >> >> -Steven >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > /* > Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL >KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting > http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ > */ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Syslog
I'm looking to setup a syslog server. Like most things open source, there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been abandoned for years. I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL. I'd like a GUI of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things. It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to figure out. oh, and Linux based. Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
We've got an older HP (now agilent) spectrum analyzer that does up to 22ghz. Most people don't know how to use it. I had plenty of experience with O-scopes, and obtained a manual for it, so I'm comfortable with it. The average 25 year old geek would be lost after turning it on. We occasionally drag it out and use a directional antenna to locate a source of interference. Sees the cell phone, 900 paging, and some 900 unlicensed stuff real good. 5ghz is harder as the antennas are much more directional. For monitoring over a time period, Trango 900 SUs and Alvarion 900VL SUs are great at spectrum analysis too via the CLI, as is the Alvarion FH 900 with the spectrum analysis firmware and windows utility. For 5ghz, I'd recommend an Alvarion VL SU for the band you are testing. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:34:45PM -0500, Steven G McGehee wrote: > Hi all, > > Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for > common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, > and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz > range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the > 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a > Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks > would recommend. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -Steven > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Hi Guys, I rented some gear from http://www.trs-rentelco.com/ about a year ago. These guys were a HUGE help in figuring out a problem that had come and gone for years (FM radio interference that was always worse in winter than summer). John called me a few days ago and said they had quite a bit of gear for sale. If you are looking for an analyzer you might want to touch base with him. I've cc'd him here. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > You can't go wrong with a spectran. http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp > These wil do 2.4, 900mhz, 3.65, and your entire 5 gig band. Work great, > under 2K! > > > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, > MTCTCE, MTCUME > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steven G McGehee > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:35 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > Hi all, > > Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for > common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, > and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz > range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the > 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a > Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks > would recommend. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -Steven > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
I am an EE... I know my way around a spec-an. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Dennis Burgess wrote: > Proper setup is key! > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, > MTCTCE, MTCUME > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:30 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > Personally, I had terrible luck with my Spectran, but I am tired of > explaining my story every time this subject comes up. Maybe my > particular unit was a dud, but at any rate it was so inaccurate (as > verified by a calibrated RF signal generator) that I had to replace it. > > Patrick Shoemaker > Vector Data Systems LLC > shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com > office: (301) 358-1690 x36 > http://www.vectordatasystems.com > > > Dennis Burgess wrote: >> You can't go wrong with a spectran. > http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp >> These wil do 2.4, 900mhz, 3.65, and your entire 5 gig band. Work > great, >> under 2K! >> >> >> >> --- >> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, >> MTCTCE, MTCUME >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On >> Behalf Of Steven G McGehee >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:35 PM >> To: wireless@wispa.org >> Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? >> >> Hi all, >> >> Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for > >> common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, >> and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete > 5Ghz >> range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as > the >> 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a > >> Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks > >> would recommend. >> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! >> >> -Steven >> >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Proper setup is key! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? Personally, I had terrible luck with my Spectran, but I am tired of explaining my story every time this subject comes up. Maybe my particular unit was a dud, but at any rate it was so inaccurate (as verified by a calibrated RF signal generator) that I had to replace it. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Dennis Burgess wrote: > You can't go wrong with a spectran. http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp > These wil do 2.4, 900mhz, 3.65, and your entire 5 gig band. Work great, > under 2K! > > > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, > MTCTCE, MTCUME > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steven G McGehee > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:35 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > Hi all, > > Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for > common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, > and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz > range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the > 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a > Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks > would recommend. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -Steven > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
Personally, I had terrible luck with my Spectran, but I am tired of explaining my story every time this subject comes up. Maybe my particular unit was a dud, but at any rate it was so inaccurate (as verified by a calibrated RF signal generator) that I had to replace it. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Dennis Burgess wrote: > You can't go wrong with a spectran. http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp > These wil do 2.4, 900mhz, 3.65, and your entire 5 gig band. Work great, > under 2K! > > > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, > MTCTCE, MTCUME > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steven G McGehee > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:35 PM > To: wireless@wispa.org > Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? > > Hi all, > > Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for > common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, > and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz > range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the > 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a > Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks > would recommend. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -Steven > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation?
You can't go wrong with a spectran. http://www.linktechs.net/speca.asp These wil do 2.4, 900mhz, 3.65, and your entire 5 gig band. Work great, under 2K! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven G McGehee Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Recommendation? Hi all, Was wondering if any of you have owned or used a spectrum analyzer for common WISP frequencies like 3.3-3.8Ghz, 5Ghz, as well as 11, 18, 23, and 24Ghz. I'm primarily interested in 3.3-3.8Ghz and the complete 5Ghz range. Something that could analyze as low as 900Mhz and as high as the 60-80Ghz would be nice too, but not as important. I've tinkered with a Bumblebee device before in 5Ghz, but wondered what analyzers you folks would recommend. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! -Steven WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Under/un-served areas unfortunately doesn't guarantee any take rate or even clients being able to or wanting to make payment. So your own money would be best in those situations rather than stimulus for sure. >Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> You've got an area with 25k households close by and you don't have anything >> in there? No one else has anything there either? >> >> That's 2.5 times MORE than my ENTIRE COUNTY has in it! >> >> Man I could be making a lot more money if I lived nearly anywhere else! >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Chuck Bartosch" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >> >> >>> In my 3 county area that I was developing an application for, there were >>> 25,000 households without access to service and in one of those counties I >>> was only covering the lower half of the unserved areas of the county. (And >>> one partially unserved town in the County I live in was counting on a >>> different provider to include them in their application, but that provider >>> chose not to include them for one reason or another). It's very easy for >>> me to believe the 24 million number since I'm in upstate NY. >>> >>> What was particularly interesting to me is that in the detailed census >>> block studies I did, you would often see half of a census block >>> (geographical half) had service and the other did not. 2/3rds of the >>> houses in the census block were on the covered side, but it's very >>> difficult to see how the other third would ever get service since it >>> doesn't fit cable's density plan but isn't enough to justify anyone else >>> building out to them either. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> >>> I think so. 24 million just seems to be such a large number when you take into account the well known underreporting of our industry segment (and perhaps others?). It's hard to imagine that all of our hard work thus far has left so many homes untouched. At a lowly 40% take rate and $20 per month per account that's $288,000,000 in MONTHLY revenue left sitting idle. It just makes no sense to me. I can't get my arms around the idea that we've left that many homes with no options. I can see 24 million households with no service. I just can't see that many with no access to service. Heck, I have people that still have dialup internet even though they are within spitting distance of a tower. Do they count as one of the 24 million? laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck Bartosch" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ > So, the salient points are, as I understand it (correct me if I'm > wrong): > > (1) Brian's numbers are 24 million currently HAVE NO ACCESS TO SERVICE. > His number DOES NOT INCLUDE the number who have access but have chosen > not > to subscribe. > > (2) You haven't seen the underlying data yourself because much of it is > private data that you didn't purchase yourself. You get to see the > analysis from it because Brian HAS purchased it and combined it with > publicly available data. > > Chuck > > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > >> Heya Brian, >> >> That's the take I had on this. That the number of households services >> was >> based on the 477 data. I didn't see any other data sets that would >> give >> an >> indication of the number of actually services households. >> >> If the study is based only on the consumers reported via the 477 it's >> likely >> to be quite inaccurate. >> >> People in government etc. are often quite amazed at the number of >> customers >> that I service out here. And I'm just one of a great many companies >> offering services in the area. >> >> I'm trying to get a handle on what additional sources of fact based >> information are out there. It's important to know what the real number >> is >> and yours seems very high to me. I don't think it'll be helpful in the >> long >> term if we have a number that gets blown out of the water in the >> upcoming >> census. >> >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Brian Webster" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ >> >> >> >>> Marlon, >>> Read this take rate brief I wrote with one of the data companies I >>> work >>> with. It will take you about 10 minutes. It goes in to specific detail >>> of >
