Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Ah.. My old pal Goatse. He was such an a-hole... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is

Re: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
PICNIC Used that one too, back in the day once the end users became savvy to the ID 10 T HA! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List;

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The Future On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What be this Google visual abomination!!! YAR! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Bret Clark
Feeling competitive pressure from Bing! On 06/10/2010 08:10 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: The Future On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What be this Google visual abomination!!! YAR!

[WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
Though I'd pass this on. I have BulletM2 as AP fed to two NanostationM5's as a backhaul that goes to a 512k down/128k up satellite connection. Theoretically the pokey internet connection shouldn't be able to send enough data through the network to flood the network to capacity however I was

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
The future, it be flying cars. This not be a flying car. YAR! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
I thought I saw something about that in the UBNT forums. Are you running the 5.2 final or the new Beta firmware? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:50 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems

2010-06-10 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 00:01, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Fired. Fired. Fired. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xap8cr_donald-trump-fired-by-wwe-chairman_sport Be careful when you fire someone, there could be repercussions. David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
lol That's certainly a part of it. It just takes a lot of power to pull this off. Building a ptp link (remember you can easily and LEGALLY have a 60 watt transmit level on the two ends) with a really short range and I'd think it'll work. However, these days the risks of multipath, down range

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 00:24, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: What be this Google visual abomination!!! Does anyone actually use the Google front page? I just go straight to the Google search bar in my browser. David Smith MVN.net

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
5.2. Greg On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Robert West wrote: I thought I saw something about that in the UBNT forums. Are you running the 5.2 final or the new Beta firmware? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
I do. I boycott those toolbars. I'm sure the Google bar is one of the actually useful ones but the majority of them are C R A P. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:00 AM

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Bret Clark
Probably talking about the built in one with FF. On 06/10/2010 10:06 AM, Robert West wrote: I do. I boycott those toolbars. I'm sure the Google bar is one of the actually useful ones but the majority of them are C R A P. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Other than renting or buying a small trenching machine (That I'm sure I'd use to slice every cable and natural gas/water/sewage line within 20 feet of me the first time I use it) I'm interested in seeing if there is a tool that will let a person (Or corporation) push low voltage cable down below

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
I shudder to suggest the new beta But if you're good with just turning it off, might be the best idea! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
But Google has one that tries to sneak into IE as well. But the IE version seems to play nice. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Probably talking about the built in one with FF. Exactly. Or, in Google Chrome, the address bar doubles as a search box - which is one less thing for customers to mess up. Heck, Internet Explorer 7 and 8 come with one

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
I do the same thing here as well. Add Google as the search and delete Bing from the list. Started out as a Just Because We Hate Microsoft but now that the Bing reviews are out, looks like the best choice anyhow. Bob- How's come Bing Crosby hasn't come back from the dead to sue Microsoft for

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
Spike Lee lost to the man Greg On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Robert West wrote: I do the same thing here as well. Add Google as the search and delete Bing from the list. Started out as a Just Because We Hate Microsoft but now that the Bing reviews are out, looks like the best choice anyhow.

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Yikes! So much for google being a fast loading home page eh? marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: [WISPA] Google is out of control. What be this Google

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Scottie Arnett
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3967613380941633039# Scottie Other than renting or buying a small trenching machine (That I'm sure I'd use to slice every cable and natural gas/water/sewage line within 20 feet of me the first time I use it) I'm interested in seeing if there is a tool

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Matt
our in-house Google referral link, Does that make much revenue? I doubt if we get enough traffic to our website to matter. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
And that was, in my mind, why Google became number one. In the days of dial-up, you wanted a page that loaded fast. I haven't tried this latest googleness over dialup to see what the difference is but it has to take some sort of hit. But with that, I'm sure it's just a short run to advertise

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Man, I like that little dude! Don't want an engine but that thing looks sweet. I'd be willing to give that thing a serious look if it was cheap enough. Thanks, Scottie. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Jeremie Chism
Looke good to me too. But from their other machines I bet it rumba in the 2k range. I'll stick to renting on the occasional use. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Man, I like that little dude! Don't want an engine but that thing

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Or whack the side off the deck of my Lawn Boy, hold it sideways Hm I smell lawsuit. Nevermind. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:39 AM To:

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
But seriously, it just looks like a el-cheapo gas powered edger with some modifications. I might have to hunt one down and try to rent it to see how it does it's thing. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Eje Gustafsson
All, instead of just bitching here why not go to Googles product ideas and submit a idea to remove the background or at least give an option to remove it. Or vote on some of the hundreds of ideas that suggested the very same. http://productideas.appspot.com/#e=127061 / Eje -Original

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Because today on my calendar it says Bitch about Google and I have to do what my book says. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T problems

2010-06-10 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Two words Matt. You're FIRED grin marlon - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Mikrotik discussions mikro...@mail.butchevans.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: [WISPA] Customer ID-10-T

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread D. Ryan Spott
This is easy... Explain to your customer that you do not trench and you have to run cable across the yard. Lay the cable out and tell them to bury it. I tell my customers to bury the cable buy placing a shovel in the sod and just cutting down far enough to get under the sod. Then stuff in the

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
And I'd return 6 months later to fine the cable still laying on the ground in a line of weeds. HA! But you're right. However.. People generally piss me off and will screw up the network if given a chance so I do what I can to bullet proof them out of the equation the best I can. At

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Matt
And I'd return 6 months later to fine the cable still laying on the ground in a line of weeds.  HA! But you're right.  However..  People generally piss me off and will screw up the network if given a chance so I do what I can to bullet proof them out of the equation the best I can.  

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread David E. Smith
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:33, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: our in-house Google referral link, Does that make much revenue?  I doubt if we get enough traffic to our website to matter. For several years, we've set customers' home pages to our Web site, which has long had a little search box

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread RickG
I had the same issue yesterday. Changed out the radio and it works fine now. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Though I'd pass this on. I have BulletM2 as AP fed to two NanostationM5's as a backhaul that goes to a 512k down/128k up satellite connection.

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
All depends on the blade. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable And I'd return 6 months later to fine the cable still

[WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

2010-06-10 Thread Scott Carullo
Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or similar? I have never liked connectors that have cables enter from the sides into the equipment even with the fancy seal

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
Same firmware? On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:41 AM, RickG wrote: I had the same issue yesterday. Changed out the radio and it works fine now. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Though I'd pass this on. I have BulletM2 as AP fed to two NanostationM5's as a

Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

2010-06-10 Thread Travis Johnson
We use what is provided by Trango. We have never sealed or weatherproofed them. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Those of you that use this equipment do you recommend using the supplied connectors for ethernet only or do you seal around them with additional material like coax seal or

Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Belton
We apply Coax-Seal around the cable clamp gland wrapping it out to the 3/8 armored CAT5 cable, but not around the 1/8 turn locking collar. I agree the Apex cable entries are about as chickenshit as we've ever seen, but so far no water issues when additional Coax-Seal is used. Best, Brad

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
You can click the change background link and change it back to white. The 'Future' I spoke of was a sunlit desert or was it a dessert? The mirage is kinda fuzzy after that kool-aid. WISPA Wants You! Join today!

Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Cables from the sides? Drip loop, coax seal or silicone and a WTF letter to the manufacturer. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
As I said, the future is a flying car. I was promised flying cars. Nuff said. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google

Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX data / mgmt cable connection question

2010-06-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Travis has no problems and we all know he has a bunch of them Trangos. Can't argue with results... On 6/10/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Cables from the sides? Drip loop, coax seal or silicone and a WTF letter to the manufacturer. Bob- -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Al Stewart
Really? .. On Google Canada, all I get is the Google Account sign in page. -- At 08:47 AM 06/10/2010 -0700, Jeromie Reeves wrote: --- You can click the change background link and change it back to white. The 'Future' I spoke of was a sunlit desert or was it a dessert? The mirage is

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Clearly, Google does not like Canada like it does the USA. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
I'm just gonna change mine to Google.NU. Still the old Google. I guess the island of Niue just isn't very important.. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Al Stewart Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:07 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Blair Davis
Flying car? Where is my flying car?!? Robert West wrote: As I said, the future is a flying car. I was promised flying cars. Nuff said. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, June

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
EXACTLY! 1969, man walks on the moon and I was told by Jules Bergman that I would have a flying car. Another example of the lies spread upon me by the corporate media! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
Guess what. I flashed the latest beta and it's never been better. Even under load ping times are 2-3ms at most and most are 1ms. I still have aggregation turned off. Greg On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Robert West wrote: I shudder to suggest the new beta But if you're good with

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Aggregation really isn't needed in your case. Aggregation packages multiple packets into a single wireless frame. This saves on airtime and enables higher throughput. On a busy system where the higher throughput is needed, so many packets are hitting that the delay is minimal. On low usage

Re: [WISPA] Repeater

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
A massive reflector might work with normal power levels. A friend of mine who was a ham and lived out on Long Island NY bought a surplus weather ballon (some kind of metalized plastic) and used to let it up at night and point his UHF yagi at it and work guys all over the tristate area... till

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Josh Luthman
Well we should have hoverboards in 2015 according to Back to the Future II. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Jun

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Greg Ihnen
Thanks! That's good to know. Greg On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Aggregation really isn't needed in your case. Aggregation packages multiple packets into a single wireless frame. This saves on airtime and enables higher throughput. On a busy system where the higher

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
I dont pay a lot, recently. I fix his network, handle his employee's tech calls, and provide him broadband. In return he does my taxes and advises on tax/accounting issues, or discounts it. It helps that he's a old high school buddy from the day. But, I personally think he is a fantastic

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Interesting. Looks as if that 5.2 final wasn't exactly final, huh. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT,

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 And what do those reviews say? Any interesting links for the reveiews? I just thought of Bing as a good looking google, and since I merely need a fast loading page never use Bing - the results were about the same. Besides, and I've tried this

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Hover boards are an obvious non-truth. The anti-gravity matrix they supposedly use doesn’t work out. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject:

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I made one for a 4 wheeler once. It was a 3 30in blades from a old saw mill, bolted into 1. Just made a frame and bearing setup and put in on in place of the snow blade. Used some narrow tube stock to make the feeder behind the blade. We used it to push 1/2 conduit down. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at

Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes

2010-06-10 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I will add to this... Our CPA and Our Attorney are two of the most trusted advisers we have..Both in their respective fields and also for general business practice.. In our case, both of them ..we call them Personal Friends and not just Clients the same is true from their side as well.

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Al Stewart
Well, now Google.ca is showing the white page with the option to fill it up with something colorful. -- At 12:12 PM 06/10/2010 -0400, Robert West wrote: --- I'm just gonna change mine to Google.NU. Still the old Google. I guess the island of Niue just isn't very important.. :)

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Shesh! I'm lookin'... I read a bunch 7 months or so ago about results being off the mark so I go looking now and I see page after page of what seems to be paid, bogus reviews. So... Dunno! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Now we're talkin'! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable I made one for a 4 wheeler once. It was a 3 30in blades

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Brian Webster
I remember as a kid my step father had a cub cadet with a garden plow attachment. He took the blades off and just used the spike part. It turned over a very nice neat narrow trench which after he laid the cable in, just flopped the sod back over and was done. Brian -Original Message-

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Scott Reed
OK, I know you don't want an engine, but I know 2 people the took the knife off a cultivator (see your farmer neighbor if you don't know what talking about) and mount it to the back of you garden tractor or 4-wheeler. Feed the cable right behind the knife as you pull it through the sod.

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Bradley D. Thornton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Yeah, MS pays for their own reviews. I get it. Nothing new there, and in the process they effectively bury the data we're really looking for. But... this one is priceless:

Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
The truth is what we make it. Do not attempt to interfere. As of today, small is now large. That is all. Microsoft. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bradley D. Thornton Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:19 PM To:

Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable

2010-06-10 Thread Robert West
Again, very interesting idea. And pretty much free. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:22 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable OK,

Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency

2010-06-10 Thread RickG
5.2 build 5.32 on both. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Same firmware? On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:41 AM, RickG wrote: I had the same issue yesterday. Changed out the radio and it works fine now. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Greg Ihnen