RE: [WISPA] Low power Ethernet Switch

2006-11-03 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Linksys  :-( , has a 8 port rackmountable(optional ears) 12 vdc managed
switch, I bouth one to test it out .. about $170.

Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low power Ethernet Switch

D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Looking for a VERY low wattage 12 or 24  volt switch.
 
 Does anyone have any recommendations?
 
 I need it for a remote tower running 12 and 24 volt solar.

No, but I'll see your question and raise you another question.

Anyone have any recommendations on (if this even exists) small managed 
or semi-managed switches? Basically, I just want to be able to graph 
traffic by port, and mybe shut off a given port, but you usually 
only find that in physically large (i.e. rackmount) switches. I want 
something like that, but with only five or maybe eight ports, small 
enough to stick in an outdoor enclosure.

David Smith
MVN.net
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RE: [WISPA] Low power Ethernet Switch

2006-11-03 Thread Mac Dearman
David,

 I haven't deployed these yet, but I have 5 of them sitting here. They do
VLANs...etc

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833124074

If you want to test ride one - shoot me an email off list and I will give
you the IP and password.

Mac 


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Anyone have any recommendations on (if this even exists) small managed 
or semi-managed switches? 


David Smith
MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] OTARD

2006-11-03 Thread Bob Moldashel
The case involved Continental Airlines providing free Internet access to 
both employees and passengers who were members of their members club.  
The AP was set up in the lounge area where it was accessible to paid 
members.


Continental's position was that they were within their own exclusive 
leased space and subsequently could provide such a service and were 
protected under the OTARD determination and ruling.


The airport authority argued that the system could cause interference to 
the airports existing master antenna system which supplied passengers 
with cellular and internet access (for a fee obviously) amongst other 
services. They wanted Continental to pay to put their equipment on the 
master antenna system or use the airport system.  In addition, they 
would pay for RF Studies to see if the system could be placed without 
issue (Probably Marlon with his spectrum analyzer!  :-P  ). The airport 
also argued that they had listed in their lease contracts with the 
airline that they could not use radio systems or spectrum not approved 
by the airport authority.


Clearly the Commission must have seen this otherwise..

First, I doubt that anyone in the Commission was happy with the airport 
authority trying to say who could use what spectrum where.  After all, 
that is their exclusive job as allowed by law.  So that didn't go over 
well I'm sure.


Second, Continental proved, without a doubt, that they had exclusive 
rights to use the space they leased.  As such, they are within the OTARD 
guidelines to supply the service.


And finally, the airport authority would need to suffer interference 
before they could complain about Continental's Wi-Fi system.  And we all 
know how quick the Commission jumps on interference issues under Part 
15.   Especially when you are using type accepted equipment.


I think the case settled as expected.

-B-




John Scrivner wrote:

In this particular situation the client (tenant) was owner of both 
ends (base station and CPE) I think. Correct me if I am wrong. I seem 
to remember reading that the airline wanted a private WiFi network for 
themselves. The airport (landlord) was trying to prevent this. In this 
type of a situation I think OTARD would apply regardless of the type 
of equipment used.


In the event of a base station where a third party ISP is the 
beneficiary of use of a base station OTARD right of access would still 
not apply. I welcome feedback, corrections, rebuttals here. Truth is I 
know little about this but think I would like to know more. If anyone 
else has knowledge of this particular case and can add more 
enlightenment it is much appreciated.

Scriv





Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


It was.

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- Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe 
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Fascinating.  I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and
not base station devices.

-Hal
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CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE
OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES.   Found that Massport's
restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by
the OTARD rules and therefore granted  Continental's  petition. (Dkt No.
05-247). Action by:  the Commission. Adopted:  10/17/2006 by MOO. (FCC
No. 06-157).  OET
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.txt




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Re: [WISPA] WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)

2006-11-03 Thread Dawn DiPietro

YAY Rich got it.



John Scrivner wrote:

Why on earth do they want to overlap UNII bands for this purpose? Do 
they want both UNII and this new system to fail? Why is this something 
they even considered? Why give them their own band if the intent is to 
also overlap another unlicensed band? What sort of crack are they 
smoking here?


What part did you play in setting up this new standard, Rich? I wonder 
why Kris Twomey missed this earlier? Was the upper 5.8 overlap added 
later? I think it would be a good idea for someone to find the 
language which discusses this overlap so we can discuss what we would 
want to do about commenting to the FCC.


Hey Ken or Dawn DiPietro, next time why don't you just tell us why you 
think WISPA needs to be involved? I told you before that I thought 
this was outside our existing bands and you never replied.

Scriv


Rich Comroe wrote:


Howdy,

I was an active member of the ASTM DSRC sandards formulating 
committee for roughly 2 yrs (2000-2001).  This is all familiar stuff, 
and I appreciate seeing the URL to see how the effort has proceeded.


John wrote:

Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.




Yes, and no.  Most of the DSRC rules deal with the band above the 
existing UNII band, true enough.  But DSRC is intended to be 
populated by DUAL-BAND units (spoken to briefly in this FCC order).  
In fact, one of the issues petitioned was to recommend action to SAVE 
the DSRC band from being destroyed by malicious wifi usage by 
dual-band units ... which the commission has apparently rejected for 
the moment according to this order.


Rick Smith raises the concern for usage in the neighboring DSRC band:

yep, just like paging's Just above the 900 mhz unlicensed bands 
but makes

926 and above useless.   See ... ?




Yeah, that is a valid concern.  They're contemplating a lot of 
outdoor units (like one in every American car).  FYI, when I left the 
activity ASTM was recommending DSRC use a 10MHz wide 802.11a variant 
with limited power, and road-side units of limited height.  They're 
not trying to do multiple miles. When DSRC applications are broken 
into short-medium--long range, they're talking about 10-30 feet 
(short, like electronic toll collection and pay-at-the-pump), 300-600 
feet (medium, like road signage), and 1000 feet (long, for emergency 
traffic light control).


So, just as sufficient wifi energy can impact an adjacent band, 
proximity to a busy roadway can potentially impact the high wifi 
channels.  However, the intent of DSRC to promote unlicensed wifi 
outdoors in the 5.8 UNII band via dual-band usage may be more 
troubling to wisps than bleed-over from DSRC band usage.


Rich

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Actually I was told that this is above the existing UNII band 
frequencies. I was told this has nothing to do with existing 
frequencies we use for our networks.

Scriv


Rick Smith wrote:


potential horrendous MOBILE interference to 5805 channels...

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Dawn,
Could you tell us what interest you believe there should be for WISPs
involving this proceeding? I am doubting it as much as I would like 
to know
your personal thoughts on the subject. Kris Twomey looked into this 
for me

some time back and told me it is of no concern for WISPs. If you see
something he did not though please forward it along.
Thank you,
Scriv


Dawn DiPietro wrote:



All,

Below is something WISPA should be paying attention to.

WTB Orders (FCC-06-110)
AMENDMENT OF THE COMMISSION'S RULES REGARDING DEDICATED 
SHORT-RANGE COMMUNICATION SERVICES IN THE 5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND 
(5.9 GHZ BAND), AMENDMENT OF PARTS 2 AND 90 OF THE COMMISSION'S 
RULES TO ALLOCATE THE

5.850-5.925 GHZ BAND TO THE MOBILE SERVICE

And here is the link for those of you who would like to look into 
this in further detail.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-110A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro



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Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-11-03 Thread Matt Liotta

Tom DeReggi wrote:
But if someone made the right product it would sell, and it would be 
profitable. It just costs most software developers to much to build it 
because they do not fully understand the business, and its learning 
the business that is expensive for the developer, in my opionion. 
(re-write after re-write after re-write.)


I'm not sure what software developers you have run into, but the problem 
is not one of understanding or expense. It is market opportunity. The 
software world is full of opportunity enough so that small niche markets 
like WISPs aren't worth the effort.


As it stands now, just the software we have developed internally we 
couldn't sell to every WISP and make it a profitable business solely on 
the software side.


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-11-03 Thread Brian Rohrbacher

Socould you give it away?  :)

Matt Liotta wrote:


Tom DeReggi wrote:

But if someone made the right product it would sell, and it would be 
profitable. It just costs most software developers to much to build 
it because they do not fully understand the business, and its 
learning the business that is expensive for the developer, in my 
opionion. (re-write after re-write after re-write.)


I'm not sure what software developers you have run into, but the 
problem is not one of understanding or expense. It is market 
opportunity. The software world is full of opportunity enough so that 
small niche markets like WISPs aren't worth the effort.


As it stands now, just the software we have developed internally we 
couldn't sell to every WISP and make it a profitable business solely 
on the software side.


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] FREE OSS and Billing Software for WiSPS

2006-11-03 Thread Matt Liotta

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Socould you give it away?  :)

I could... but how would I recover the costs of all the support that 
would surely follow? And no, the answer is not to charge for it since 
that would put me into the software business.


-Matt

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Re: [WISPA] Low power Ethernet Switch

2006-11-03 Thread Dylan Oliver
Huh - first time I've seen a 10/20/100/200 Mbps switch! Is that 1.6 Gbps non-blocking / 8 ports?-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC
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[WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

Hi All,

We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The numbers 
are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?


thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

I'll be there too!

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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



If any of you are coming to ISPCON and want to just attend the WISPA
meeting and exhibition floor then the attached .pdf pass will get you in
for free. If you want to attend the whole event then this code will get
you $100 off the price of entry. As always you can get any more
information about this event at http://www.ispcon.com. WISPA will have a
reception / meeting at 6:30 pm on Tuesday night. Matt, Tom and myself
are all speaking at various sessions I believe. Mac Dearman will speak
about the efforts post-Katrina to bring Internet and telephone service
online in the effected areas. We hope to see you guys there.
All the best,
John Scrivner

PS. If you signup using the code on the attached flier then you will get
a WISPA  banner attached to your badge.








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[WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
One of my tower sites has this chain on the main gate.  It's always fun to 
remember where the key goes

http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/chain.htm

Anyone else have similar setups?

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Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread Matt Liotta

1 bit = 1.16415322 × 10-10 gigabytes
1 gigabyte = 8,589,934,592 bits

-Matt

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The 
numbers are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?


thanks!
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread Sam Tetherow

Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested in 
getting together for dinner.


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless
   402-376-4752


Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

I'll be there too!

Marlon
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- Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:38 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



If any of you are coming to ISPCON and want to just attend the WISPA
meeting and exhibition floor then the attached .pdf pass will get you in
for free. If you want to attend the whole event then this code will get
you $100 off the price of entry. As always you can get any more
information about this event at http://www.ispcon.com. WISPA will have a
reception / meeting at 6:30 pm on Tuesday night. Matt, Tom and myself
are all speaking at various sessions I believe. Mac Dearman will speak
about the efforts post-Katrina to bring Internet and telephone service
online in the effected areas. We hope to see you guys there.
All the best,
John Scrivner

PS. If you signup using the code on the attached flier then you will get
a WISPA  banner attached to your badge.




 





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RE: [WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread William.L. Edwards
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html

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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:24 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] ot data conversion


Hi All,

We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The numbers 
are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?

thanks!
Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread Sam Tetherow

Depends on who you ask.  The comp sci answer is:
1GB = 1024*1024*1024 bytes == 1073741824

Of course the harddrive manufactures will tell you that 1GB is 
10 bytes


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The 
numbers are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?


thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam





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contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

I think that would be great!

How about a cell phone list?
marlon - 509.988.0260

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- Original Message - 
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested in 
getting together for dinner.


   Sam Tetherow
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Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread Sam Tetherow

forgot to add the *8 for bits to bytes so
8589934592 bits to 1 GByte

Sam Tetherow wrote:

Depends on who you ask.  The comp sci answer is:
1GB = 1024*1024*1024 bytes == 1073741824

Of course the harddrive manufactures will tell you that 1GB is 
10 bytes


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The 
numbers are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?


thanks!
Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

lol  Thanks!

What I need is a number to divide the raw data by so that I can make a local 
copy that looks something like the online version.


http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack

Also, note that the totals aren't already converted.  I've tried to get 
Brandon to make a few more tweaks to this system for me but I've not been 
able to hook up with him.


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- Original Message - 
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion



Depends on who you ask.  The comp sci answer is:
1GB = 1024*1024*1024 bytes == 1073741824

Of course the harddrive manufactures will tell you that 1GB is 10 
bytes


   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

Hi All,

We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The 
numbers are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?


thanks!
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RE: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

2006-11-03 Thread Rick Smith
haha.  looks like you could just walk around tho... :)

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:32 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

One of my tower sites has this chain on the main gate.  It's always fun to
remember where the key goes
http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/chain.htm

Anyone else have similar setups?

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Re: [WISPA] OTARD

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
I know we've followed this issue pretty closely.  I can't remember if the 
FCC asked a question about this and we filed on the issue or not.


The whole issue revolves around the idea that the OTARD rule has 
historically ONLY applied to CLIENT antennas.  Not base stations.  That's 
one of the risks of Mesh systems


In this case, the airline wanted to put in a wifi system for it's self and 
it's customers.  The airport had it's own wifi system and wanted to be able 
to charge everyone for access.  The airline basically told the air port to 
stuff it.  Looks like OTARD has just been expanded.


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- Original Message - 
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OTARD


In this particular situation the client (tenant) was owner of both ends 
(base station and CPE) I think. Correct me if I am wrong. I seem to 
remember reading that the airline wanted a private WiFi network for 
themselves. The airport (landlord) was trying to prevent this. In this 
type of a situation I think OTARD would apply regardless of the type of 
equipment used.


In the event of a base station where a third party ISP is the beneficiary 
of use of a base station OTARD right of access would still not apply. I 
welcome feedback, corrections, rebuttals here. Truth is I know little 
about this but think I would like to know more. If anyone else has 
knowledge of this particular case and can add more enlightenment it is 
much appreciated.

Scriv





Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


It was.

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- Original Message - From: Harold Bledsoe 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] OTARD


Fascinating.  I had always read OTARD to only cover client devices and
not base station devices.

-Hal
__
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Deliberant LLC
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:01 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] OTARD

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, PETITION FOR DECLARATORY RULING REGARDING THE
OVER-THE-AIR RECEPTION DEVICES (OTARD) RULES.   Found that Massport's
restrictions on Continental's use of its Wi-Fi antenna are pre-empted by
the OTARD rules and therefore granted  Continental's  petition. (Dkt No.
05-247). Action by:  the Commission. Adopted:  10/17/2006 by MOO. (FCC
No. 06-157).  OET
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.doc
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A3.pdf
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A1.txt
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-157A2.txt
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Re: [WISPA] Low power Ethernet Switch

2006-11-03 Thread John J. Thomas
These guys aren't cheap...

http://www.korenix-usa.com/JetNet4500.htm

John


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D. Ryan Spott wrote:
 Looking for a VERY low wattage 12 or 24  volt switch.
 
 Does anyone have any recommendations?
 
 I need it for a remote tower running 12 and 24 volt solar.

No, but I'll see your question and raise you another question.

Anyone have any recommendations on (if this even exists) small managed 
or semi-managed switches? Basically, I just want to be able to graph 
traffic by port, and mybe shut off a given port, but you usually 
only find that in physically large (i.e. rackmount) switches. I want 
something like that, but with only five or maybe eight ports, small 
enough to stick in an outdoor enclosure.

David Smith
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[WISPA] Server colocation

2006-11-03 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I need to get an idea for what is charged to have a server co located at 
a data center.

Whats usually billed for?  Space and bandwidth?
If someone could hit me offlist.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

2006-11-03 Thread Pete Davis
I see these on gates, especially where there are oilfields on the site, 
and several companies need access. Never seen a whole chain made from 
locks, though.


Funny.

pd

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

One of my tower sites has this chain on the main gate.  It's always 
fun to remember where the key goes

http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/chain.htm

Anyone else have similar setups?

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Re: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

2006-11-03 Thread George Rogato

Pete Davis wrote:
I see these on gates, especially where there are oilfields on the site, 
and several companies need access. Never seen a whole chain made from 
locks, though.


Funny.

pd



We used to have a long chain with lots of pad locks. One day I went to 
the tower gate and found some ID 10 T had shortened the chain by quite a 
bit to tighten it up.


Guess he didn't understand the theory of needing all the locks in the 
loop and not a bunch wagging off the tail like mine was.


Not so funny, George

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RE: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread Rick Harnish








Scriv, Matt and I are all coming in on Monday night on the same
flight. 




 
  
  Denver
  (DEN)
  Depart 8:45 pm 
  
  
  to 
  
  
  San
Jose (SJC)
  Arrive 10:24 pm 
  
  
  
   

934 mi
(1,503 km)
Duration: 2hr 39mn




   
  
  
  
  
  UA 
  Flight: 461 
  
  
  
  
 




Im sure we will be hungry but dont wait on us. We
will probably find our way to the bar before retiring for the night.



Rick Harnish

President

Supernova Technologies, Inc.

260-827-2482

Founding Member of WISPA



-Original Message-
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Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:42 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)



I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested in


getting together for dinner.



 Sam Tetherow

 Sandhills Wireless

 402-376-4752





Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 I'll be there too!



 Marlon

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982-2181
Equipment sales

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(Vonage)
Consulting services

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(icq)
And I run my own wisp!

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 - Original Message - From: John Scrivner
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 To: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:38 PM

 Subject: [WISPA] WISPA
 Guest Pass
to ISPCON





 If any of you are coming to ISPCON and want to just attend the
WISPA

 meeting and exhibition floor then the attached .pdf pass will
get you in

 for free. If you want to attend the whole event then this code
will get

 you $100 off the price of entry. As always you can get any
more

 information about this event at http://www.ispcon.com. WISPA
will have a

 reception / meeting at 6:30 pm on Tuesday night. Matt, Tom and
myself

 are all speaking at various sessions I believe. Mac Dearman
will speak

 about the efforts post-Katrina to bring Internet and telephone
service

 online in the effected areas. We hope to see you guys there.

 All the best,

 John Scrivner



 PS. If you signup using the code on the attached flier then
you will get

 a WISPA banner attached to your badge.

















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Re: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread Peter R.

Peter @ RAD-INFO at (813) 963-5884

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


I think that would be great!

How about a cell phone list?
marlon - 509.988.0260

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- Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON



Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested 
in getting together for dinner.


   Sam Tetherow
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RE: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread CHUCK PROFITO
Chuck Profito 209-988-7388
Tim Kerns   209-324-6476
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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 2:26 PM
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Peter @ RAD-INFO at (813) 963-5884

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 I think that would be great!

 How about a cell phone list?
 marlon - 509.988.0260

 Marlon
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 - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON


 Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

 I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested
 in getting together for dinner.

Sam Tetherow
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain

2006-11-03 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181

LOL

I had a situation like that at this site once too.  I now have a nice shinny 
set of bolt cutters to my name!


And someone up there has a nice shinny new lock to his name!
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- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain



Pete Davis wrote:
I see these on gates, especially where there are oilfields on the site, 
and several companies need access. Never seen a whole chain made from 
locks, though.


Funny.

pd



We used to have a long chain with lots of pad locks. One day I went to the 
tower gate and found some ID 10 T had shortened the chain by quite a bit 
to tighten it up.


Guess he didn't understand the theory of needing all the locks in the loop 
and not a bunch wagging off the tail like mine was.


Not so funny, George

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Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion

2006-11-03 Thread Chad Halsted

I use this site a lot.

http://www.matisse.net/bitcalc/

On 11/3/06, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

lol  Thanks!

What I need is a number to divide the raw data by so that I can make a local
copy that looks something like the online version.

http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack

Also, note that the totals aren't already converted.  I've tried to get
Brandon to make a few more tweaks to this system for me but I've not been
able to hook up with him.

Marlon
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(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
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- Original Message -
From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot data conversion


 Depends on who you ask.  The comp sci answer is:
 1GB = 1024*1024*1024 bytes == 1073741824

 Of course the harddrive manufactures will tell you that 1GB is 10
 bytes

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

 Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
 Hi All,

 We get an ip usage accounting file sent to us once per month.  The
 numbers are huge.  What is the formula to convert bits to GB?

 thanks!
 Marlon
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RE: contat list Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON

2006-11-03 Thread Jack Weinberg


Ezlinx.net, Inc.
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Chuck Profito 209-988-7388
Tim Kerns   209-324-6476
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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Peter R.
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 2:26 PM
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Peter @ RAD-INFO at (813) 963-5884

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

 I think that would be great!

 How about a cell phone list?
 marlon - 509.988.0260

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
 64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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 - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 8:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Guest Pass to ISPCON


 Hide the booze and small farm animals! ;)

 I'll be getting in early afternoon on Monday if anyone is interested
 in getting together for dinner.

Sam Tetherow
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